Cherries: Howe pondering Sheringham loan spell (From Thisisdorset)

My view is that today is not do or die. Of course victory is desired but realistically 5 wins will assure us of a play off position. Tranmere have taken 30 points from 25 games. Assuming they continue their very average performance they would likely take circa 9 points from next seven games. Assuming we win 5 of the next 7 and I think we will, we would be 4 points clear of them before last game. Lets then consider Swindon who go to Yeovil, Doncaster and Sheff Utd in their run in. Imagine if they drew all 3, that would be 6 dropped points. Point is there is a long way to go and I would say it is far more likely than not that we will finish in the top six. Personally I do feel top two is very unlikely now, even if we won all eight. I predict we will finish 4th or 5th.

Having got the win midweek would be disappointed not to get a pint at least today. Oldham though will be another physical scrap. Agree don't believe we can get automatic spot but would prefer a wembley day out anyway !

If Charlie is not going to play a part during the run in then a loan move for him must be the best option, he must be very frustrated right now and just wants to play. It does though raise the question with our lack of goals of late why Charlie can't give us something different even if it's for 15 minutes at the end of games, we don't have many options at the moment do we? As for today, no it's not a must win at all costs but getting 3 points would make a massive difference to our cause, we need to get on a run of wins again, not because if we lose we will be out of the race but because we want the team to get confident again going into these final matches. So although a win is not essential it is important!

I think we need the three points today as this will get as back in a play-off position and send a message out to our rivals that the bad run is over. I think automatic promotion is probably beyond us but if we start scoring goals again I wouldn't rule it out.

Looking at remaining fixtures both Sheff Utd and Doncaster are likely to get mid 85/6 points.

Bearing in mind we can only get max 85 now, automatic feels very unlikely.

That said football is not played on paper and results will not all go to form.

Doncaster in particular did not look at all impressive, so this could prove wildly out!

For what its worth, I think Swindon will be third on about 80, but this depends massively on their three results at SU, DR and Yeovil.

AFCB and Yeovil just behind on 78ish, with Brentford just nicking 6th above Walsall and Coventry. Tranmere could fall as low as 9th.

If we do lose today, dont listen to the inevitable doom mongers that its all over, because it wont be.

That said, as long as Tuesdays injuries do not further affect our line up today, I dont think we will lose.

Should get three points today,Barnard will probably score tho!!don't think it's vital but like frankie said it is important to send out a msg!as for sheringham,I do think he can play this level and gives us another option if we need to change things!if we do send him on loan and we get injurys will EH recall him as stated?didn't get jonathan Meade back and we needed him!!!!!!!good luck to the boys today,utciad

The teams mentioned above all seem to have difficult games and the results are too close to call...so I'm just keeping my fingers crossed and not making any predictions other than say we'll have to be bl. lucky to get ''automatic'
Could Charlie join Havant with Bradders or is he too good for that league?

....is Dan Struggs still there?

AFCBade wrote:
Having got the win midweek would be disappointed not to get a pint at least today. Oldham though will be another physical scrap. Agree don't believe we can get automatic spot but would prefer a wembley day out anyway !

You can have a pint on me if we finish top, as I backed AFCB at 80/1 each way the day before Eddie Howe brought football home.

P.S. I am sure smhinto can tell us all where we will finish in the League.

P.p.s. Oh, and I also backed Burton Albion at 150/1 each way in Division 2 before the start of the season. As he is more local to there, perhaps smhinto can advise me if that money has also gone for a Burton!

John T wrote:
P.S. I am sure smhinto can tell us all where we will finish in the League.

If his predictions were any thing to go by, we would have been relegated weeks ago.!!!!!!!!

John T wrote:
P.p.s. Oh, and I also backed Burton Albion at 150/1 each way in Division 2 before the start of the season. As he is more local to there, perhaps smhinto can advise me if that money has also gone for a Burton!

Im sure our good friend from Lin-con has scouted Burton on many occassions and could bore you for hours discussing team shape at corners, set pieces, etc etc, which foot the keeper kicks with, blah blah blah.!!!!.
Zzzzzzzzzz.

John T wrote:
P.S. I am sure smhinto can tell us all where we will finish in the League.

I think you find that we will finish in the league where we are at the moment i.e between 7th and 10th any higher would be a vey welcome bonus.
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i do not consider this to be bad thing, when taking into account the start we had to the season but as you can appreciate the injuries have taken their toll along with our failure to hit the target on a regular basis.
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It's is the scoring habit at this stage of the season that actually gets you promoted !! WE ARE NOT DOING IT ARE WE.
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People say we have to play teams at the bottom or mid-table. this can be detrimental as these sides will scrap for their lives, and those in mid-table will field players that are playing for contracts and young players out to prove thmselves.
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I have seen many times were promotion seeking sides have come a cropper at home to an already relegated side who will play without fear.
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There is penty of apparent evidence as to why we will not be promoted
i.e lack of goals - injuries to key players - lack of a target man to change formation ad shape etc.
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Where is the evidence that we will be promoted ?????
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This is a sensible post that only requires senible responses.
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Regards

shiminto back on form again today I see, we almost had a sensible day yesterday but you had to go an ruin in today!! We have every chance of a top six finish, 7th to 10th, I suppose by your own predictions that's your idea of being positive right? We will finish in the top 6!!! I am certain of it because of our record against teams in the lower half of the league this season, look who we play over the coming 6 games, that's based on actual facts and I can back that prediction up!! I may have agreed with you yesterday that today is a tough game but there we will end this, I do not see a defeat today as the end of the season, you have all but written us off in every game we have played this season, honestly we should be rock bottom on about 8 points according to you!! So I hope you come on here when we finish in the top 6 and take the medicine which will be dished out!!

Does Eddie H have a 'thing' against tallish, 'knock down' centre forwards?

I think Charlie has great potential. Judgement can hardly be made when he hasn't played due to his injury. Whether it's this season or next, I look forward to seeing him getting a decent run of games, but then, I wanted that for Tubbs as well... 3 Points today please, keep the pressure on now!!

smhinto wrote:

John T wrote:
P.S. I am sure smhinto can tell us all where we will finish in the League.

I think you find that we will finish in the league where we are at the moment i.e between 7th and 10th any higher would be a vey welcome bonus.
.
i do not consider this to be bad thing, when taking into account the start we had to the season but as you can appreciate the injuries have taken their toll along with our failure to hit the target on a regular basis.
.
It's is the scoring habit at this stage of the season that actually gets you promoted !! WE ARE NOT DOING IT ARE WE.
.
People say we have to play teams at the bottom or mid-table. this can be detrimental as these sides will scrap for their lives, and those in mid-table will field players that are playing for contracts and young players out to prove thmselves.
.
I have seen many times were promotion seeking sides have come a cropper at home to an already relegated side who will play without fear.
.
There is penty of apparent evidence as to why we will not be promoted
i.e lack of goals - injuries to key players - lack of a target man to change formation ad shape etc.
.
Where is the evidence that we will be promoted ?????
.
This is a sensible post that only requires senible responses.
.
Regards

Always look on the briiiiiight side of life, dada, dadadadadada

So you say we will finish in the position we are now which is 7th.
Then you say between 7th and 10th.
So are you predicting we will finish 7th or between 7th and 10th?
No doubt after today's win you will disappear for a while.

Any news on Ritchie and Arter for today's game ?

If we want automatic promotion we will have to win every game, it's as simple as that. Five wins from eight will see us in the play-offs barring something extraordinary and a likely tie against a big team of bully boys like Sheffield Utd who will see us off over two legs like the Huddersfield bully boys did two years ago.
As for today's game, Oldham are a decent side as they proved during their cup run. I don't expect us to beat them on our current form. Yes we got a less than emphatic win in midweek against the team bottom of the form league, but we've been hopeless since Daniels and Elphick were injured. Poor defending and goalscorers low on confidence usually means one thing. Defeat. A point at best today I fear, but I hope I'm wrong.
UTCIAD!

Frankiesbackfromholl
ywood wrote:
shiminto back on form again today I see, we almost had a sensible day yesterday but you had to go an ruin in today!! We have every chance of a top six finish, 7th to 10th, I suppose by your own predictions that's your idea of being positive right? We will finish in the top 6!!! I am certain of it because of our record against teams in the lower half of the league this season, look who we play over the coming 6 games, that's based on actual facts and I can back that prediction up!! I may have agreed with you yesterday that today is a tough game but there we will end this, I do not see a defeat today as the end of the season, you have all but written us off in every game we have played this season, honestly we should be rock bottom on about 8 points according to you!! So I hope you come on here when we finish in the top 6 and take the medicine which will be dished out!!

I cannot see what I have ruined.
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My post today is based on a constructive point of order and is open to free debate. I was not intending to be negative. I was just pointing out what is abundantly clear.
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Yes I agree with you we do have every chance of finishing in the top six. But that would be BASED ON SCORING GOALS AND WINNING MATCHES. Which you can see that we are NOT doing at the moment of which in my view is primarily down to being without key players.
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Yes we won at Stevenage but that was a penalty, we still failed to score againt poor oppostion from open play.
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I do thank you for seeing the light yesterday. I would now ask you to do the same today by re-reading my post and re-assessing where I am coming from.

In addition, I think you will find that I am not alone in my views as many other posters are beginning to see what I see i.e Not scoring therefore losing matches.
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You must realise that Oldham are fighting for their lives, they are at home, we are not scoring as you know.
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So the worst thing that could happen today is to let them score first, ref our agreed point yesterday. Because if they do it will be game over.
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With that said let's hope we manufacure some form of win today.
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Regards
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Frankiesbackfromholl
ywood wrote:
shiminto back on form again today I see, we almost had a sensible day yesterday but you had to go an ruin in today!! We have every chance of a top six finish, 7th to 10th, I suppose by your own predictions that's your idea of being positive right? We will finish in the top 6!!! I am certain of it because of our record against teams in the lower half of the league this season, look who we play over the coming 6 games, that's based on actual facts and I can back that prediction up!! I may have agreed with you yesterday that today is a tough game but there we will end this, I do not see a defeat today as the end of the season, you have all but written us off in every game we have played this season, honestly we should be rock bottom on about 8 points according to you!! So I hope you come on here when we finish in the top 6 and take the medicine which will be dished out!!

Come on FBH, he did ask for S-E-N-I-B-L-E answers only, so be senible.

smhinto wrote:

John T wrote:
P.S. I am sure smhinto can tell us all where we will finish in the League.

I think you find that we will finish in the league where we are at the moment i.e between 7th and 10th any higher would be a vey welcome bonus.
.
i do not consider this to be bad thing, when taking into account the start we had to the season but as you can appreciate the injuries have taken their toll along with our failure to hit the target on a regular basis.
.
It's is the scoring habit at this stage of the season that actually gets you promoted !! WE ARE NOT DOING IT ARE WE.
.
People say we have to play teams at the bottom or mid-table. this can be detrimental as these sides will scrap for their lives, and those in mid-table will field players that are playing for contracts and young players out to prove thmselves.
.
I have seen many times were promotion seeking sides have come a cropper at home to an already relegated side who will play without fear.
.
There is penty of apparent evidence as to why we will not be promoted
i.e lack of goals - injuries to key players - lack of a target man to change formation ad shape etc.
.
Where is the evidence that we will be promoted ?????
.
This is a sensible post that only requires senible responses.
.
Regards

My sensible comment is above

It is very apparent that while I live life with a half full glass that you are not even half empty but nearer out of juice altogether!

Still you have your opinion and I have mine.

I look forwards to watching AFCB in the play offs.

Regards

smhinto wrote:

Frankiesbackfromholl

ywood wrote:
shiminto back on form again today I see, we almost had a sensible day yesterday but you had to go an ruin in today!! We have every chance of a top six finish, 7th to 10th, I suppose by your own predictions that's your idea of being positive right? We will finish in the top 6!!! I am certain of it because of our record against teams in the lower half of the league this season, look who we play over the coming 6 games, that's based on actual facts and I can back that prediction up!! I may have agreed with you yesterday that today is a tough game but there we will end this, I do not see a defeat today as the end of the season, you have all but written us off in every game we have played this season, honestly we should be rock bottom on about 8 points according to you!! So I hope you come on here when we finish in the top 6 and take the medicine which will be dished out!!

I cannot see what I have ruined.
.
My post today is based on a constructive point of order and is open to free debate. I was not intending to be negative. I was just pointing out what is abundantly clear.
.
Yes I agree with you we do have every chance of finishing in the top six. But that would be BASED ON SCORING GOALS AND WINNING MATCHES. Which you can see that we are NOT doing at the moment of which in my view is primarily down to being without key players.
.
Yes we won at Stevenage but that was a penalty, we still failed to score againt poor oppostion from open play.
.
I do thank you for seeing the light yesterday. I would now ask you to do the same today by re-reading my post and re-assessing where I am coming from.

In addition, I think you will find that I am not alone in my views as many other posters are beginning to see what I see i.e Not scoring therefore losing matches.
.
You must realise that Oldham are fighting for their lives, they are at home, we are not scoring as you know.
.
So the worst thing that could happen today is to let them score first, ref our agreed point yesterday. Because if they do it will be game over.
.
With that said let's hope we manufacure some form of win today.
.
Regards
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"Open to free debate".???. Yes if you dont mind being called "empty head", "concrete brains", "numpty", "intellectually impaired". etc etc.
For the record Chelsea, Liverpool & Man ure have all been champions of Europe from the kick of a penalty. Slightly different format but penalty none the less.!!!!!. REGARDS.

ps... someone is due a right good hiding from us real soon. watch this space.!!!.

Sherringham out on loan is a great idea, he's got potential and a few games to get him sharp and ready for next season is a good move. Fingers crossed for today, McDonald back in centre with any luck. Up the cherries!

Agreed West moors 1, i like the look of Sherringham, and lets get him out on loan so with a bit of luck he will be raring to go for next season.

Steady give it a rest... every single story every week this one about charlie sheringham gets hijacked by you and shminto playing silly buggers and arguing like little kids, ITS BORING NOW.
you have an opinion and so does he, talk about the 3 points we are going to get.

Yessssssss

You can imagine my shock, awe & wonderment at this most welcome victory, and we scored from OPEN-PLAY as well.

Not a good day for the doom merchants today. Comes to something when one of the most upbeat poster on this site is from another club!. Seriously though you could not script the results today. Draws for Walsall and Doncaster and heavy defeats for Sheff utd and Tranmere, only Brentford spoil the results. OH and your up to 4th and a win off a automatic spot. Still fancy Swindon for a top 2 spot and your ahead of us by a point- still think its fantasy. Going to be a great run in.