Cherries: Howe's dilemma over Barnard (From Thisisdorset)

So much for Lee Barnard. What about Frank? Should be a quality player who has hardly had a chance to impress. From the little I have seen of him this year he is dominant in the air.

For me we keep Barnard and let Demouge out on loan to gain English football experience?

Barnard is proving at this level and come the wet and heavy pitches as the season progresses I would rather him here.

If Tubbs isn't playing then he needs to go on loan too with a 24 hour recall clause to keep him match fit and sharp. These players will be important come the end of season when injuries are sustained etc...... alternatively maybe Mquoid but he is more of a utility player I guess.

Whatever happens come on you reds! !!!!

Mcquoid is lazy and uniterested if anyone goes should be him thinks he is better than he is with no real commitment to the course, we need a decent Right sided midfield player in the window

From what I have seen at the home matches, Lee has been the weak link in the attacking half of the team. There's no argument about his workrate, but he is a yard slower than the likes of Gradbban and McQuoid and doesn't have the instinctive positioning and finishing of Tubbs and Pittman. Although, to be fair moments after many of us in the East stand has reached this conclusion at the Stevenage game, he suddenly produced a flash of quality in digging out a looping 25 yarder from the right that the keeper just tipped over, I believe. However, notwithstaning this, if the Russian is truely loaning us the money rather than finding way to write it off and gift it to us, then we cannot afford to keep him unless we can slash his loan fee by 75%.

Agree with sending the Flying Dutchman Demouge out on loan but which club in Div 2 could pay his wages rumoured to be at least £7,500 pw!

Reading between the lines, I think Eddie has more or less just said Barnard will be going back to Stains in January. A pity really because he's a very good player but when he's been in the team he's not put the ball in the net often enough, even though he always puts in a shift. Personally I would like to see him stay, but he would have to expect a hefty pay cut if he did!

Barnard is a class act and we should keep him, he was a loan striker when Groves was in charge, Howe should give him a run in the team, he will get plenty of service and will prove his worth

bring in mcgoldrick!!

Its amazing how much talent we have in the club and how much money has been put in. In over 35 years of supporting I have never seen the like. Eddie has turned round our fortunes and the fans are regenerated. Its happy days...long may they last...! We should be filling Dean Court for every game and needing to get the south stand built, I do hope our attendances rise to the numbers that the fans, the team and management deserve. UTCIAD!

Attendances is now the mute issue. I honestly thought that if the 'unimaginable' occured and Eddie and Jason were lured back that we would soon be playing to full houses if they turned things around. Well, this has now happened and the transformation on the pitch has been beyond what anyone could have expected and yet we are only 1000 or so up on the crowds from the dark days of Groves and Brookes. Perhaps now is the time for those at the club to look at some of the other clubs with similar medium sized non-industrial catchments, which are successful at pulling in disproportionate sized followings. The likes of MKDons, Swindon, Ipswich, Norwich, Southampton, Brighton, Reading. The latter 5 would be pulling in at least 3 times the numbers in our situation.

I'm not a Cherries fan but I know many and all I heard earlier in the year was the Chairman getting stacks of abuse. Now the former management team have gone and they have the manager they all wanted and the results are excellent, are the stands still not getting filled? Real shame if not and the complainers need to look at themselves if they don't buy a ticket when they've got what they wanted.

afcb-mark wrote:
Barnard is a class act and we should keep him, he was a loan striker when Groves was in charge, Howe should give him a run in the team, he will get plenty of service and will prove his worth

He is still a loan striker isn't he?

Wilkie wrote:
Attendances is now the mute issue. I honestly thought that if the 'unimaginable' occured and Eddie and Jason were lured back that we would soon be playing to full houses if they turned things around. Well, this has now happened and the transformation on the pitch has been beyond what anyone could have expected and yet we are only 1000 or so up on the crowds from the dark days of Groves and Brookes. Perhaps now is the time for those at the club to look at some of the other clubs with similar medium sized non-industrial catchments, which are successful at pulling in disproportionate sized followings. The likes of MKDons, Swindon, Ipswich, Norwich, Southampton, Brighton, Reading. The latter 5 would be pulling in at least 3 times the numbers in our situation.

Fans have always been fickle.Fair weather fans & always will be,Its just not a footballing town.

As for Barnard.I think hes poor value & Demouge hasnt had any kind of chance.Even in the final minutes Eddie prefers Fletcher.Why not Demouge for 5 mins?

he is good but then again not as good as brett pitman or matt tubbs who personally should both be in the squad brett and lewis with tubbs just behind would be very good at home im not over keen on demouge he cant hack the pace in england his nike cloggs are not good enough hes far to slow and cant take a kick without the stretcher comming on as for the mcgoldrick comment if we let barnard thomas demouge go then yes if not then its a no go

Agree about gates. It is not a football town and we will have to live with it. Strange to remember though, gates of around 12,000 in the early sixties. Now we can't get half that. They were higher still 10 years later in the Ted Mac era. Surely it is worth cutting the prices to see what effect that has.
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Keep Barnard permanently if we can. Demouge will never cut it. Fletch must be last season. Stockley won't pull up any trees. Need someone to lead the line.

stevobath wrote:

Wilkie wrote: Attendances is now the mute issue. I honestly thought that if the 'unimaginable' occured and Eddie and Jason were lured back that we would soon be playing to full houses if they turned things around. Well, this has now happened and the transformation on the pitch has been beyond what anyone could have expected and yet we are only 1000 or so up on the crowds from the dark days of Groves and Brookes. Perhaps now is the time for those at the club to look at some of the other clubs with similar medium sized non-industrial catchments, which are successful at pulling in disproportionate sized followings. The likes of MKDons, Swindon, Ipswich, Norwich, Southampton, Brighton, Reading. The latter 5 would be pulling in at least 3 times the numbers in our situation.

Fans have always been fickle.Fair weather fans & always will be,Its just not a footballing town. As for Barnard.I think hes poor value & Demouge hasnt had any kind of chance.Even in the final minutes Eddie prefers Fletcher.Why not Demouge for 5 mins?

The fans are there, but this is a high cost, low wage area and the Club's catchment area includes 3 of the most deprived area's in the UK. Many people in these hard times simply don't have the money to go to games these days. Half the working population have no disposable income left after paying for the necessities of life amd some 40% struggle to pay their monthly bills. It is akso the Christmas season, with even more pressure on income. Gates are falling throughout the Football League.Whilst I expect to see a good gate on Boxing Day as people treat or are treated to a game, for most Football has become a luxury!. ALL of the Towns/Cities you mention do have a far better balanced economy than we enjoy, with higher average incomes.

stevobath wrote:

Wilkie wrote: Attendances is now the mute issue. I honestly thought that if the 'unimaginable' occured and Eddie and Jason were lured back that we would soon be playing to full houses if they turned things around. Well, this has now happened and the transformation on the pitch has been beyond what anyone could have expected and yet we are only 1000 or so up on the crowds from the dark days of Groves and Brookes. Perhaps now is the time for those at the club to look at some of the other clubs with similar medium sized non-industrial catchments, which are successful at pulling in disproportionate sized followings. The likes of MKDons, Swindon, Ipswich, Norwich, Southampton, Brighton, Reading. The latter 5 would be pulling in at least 3 times the numbers in our situation.

Fans have always been fickle.Fair weather fans & always will be,Its just not a footballing town. As for Barnard.I think hes poor value & Demouge hasnt had any kind of chance.Even in the final minutes Eddie prefers Fletcher.Why not Demouge for 5 mins?

The fans are there, but this is a high cost, low wage area and the Club's catchment area includes 3 of the most deprived area's in the UK. Many people in these hard times simply don't have the money to go to games these days. Half the working population have no disposable income left after paying for the necessities of life amd some 40% struggle to pay their monthly bills. It is akso the Christmas season, with even more pressure on income. Gates are falling throughout the Football League.Whilst I expect to see a good gate on Boxing Day as people treat or are treated to a game, for most Football has become a luxury!. ALL of the Towns/Cities you mention do have a far better balanced economy than we enjoy, with higher average incomes.

. People have short memories, . It was not long ago that E Mitchell told us supporters to go and watch the Saints instead of AFC. . . Talk about shooting yerself in the foot...... I think the fans will slowly drift back to the fold with the current inform team performance.

Square Old Codger wrote:

stevobath wrote:

Wilkie wrote: Attendances is now the mute issue. I honestly thought that if the 'unimaginable' occured and Eddie and Jason were lured back that we would soon be playing to full houses if they turned things around. Well, this has now happened and the transformation on the pitch has been beyond what anyone could have expected and yet we are only 1000 or so up on the crowds from the dark days of Groves and Brookes. Perhaps now is the time for those at the club to look at some of the other clubs with similar medium sized non-industrial catchments, which are successful at pulling in disproportionate sized followings. The likes of MKDons, Swindon, Ipswich, Norwich, Southampton, Brighton, Reading. The latter 5 would be pulling in at least 3 times the numbers in our situation.

Fans have always been fickle.Fair weather fans & always will be,Its just not a footballing town. As for Barnard.I think hes poor value & Demouge hasnt had any kind of chance.Even in the final minutes Eddie prefers Fletcher.Why not Demouge for 5 mins?

The fans are there, but this is a high cost, low wage area and the Club's catchment area includes 3 of the most deprived area's in the UK. Many people in these hard times simply don't have the money to go to games these days. Half the working population have no disposable income left after paying for the necessities of life amd some 40% struggle to pay their monthly bills. It is akso the Christmas season, with even more pressure on income. Gates are falling throughout the Football League.Whilst I expect to see a good gate on Boxing Day as people treat or are treated to a game, for most Football has become a luxury!. ALL of the Towns/Cities you mention do have a far better balanced economy than we enjoy, with higher average incomes.

3 of the most deprived areas in the UK?? Have you ever been to some of our large cities? This area is one of the most affluent areas of the whole UK and the club has a huge catchment area. We are certainly no less well off financially than we were in the 70s when gates were normally in excess of 15000. I think that part of the problem is that after years of non achievement the children have grown up supporting the mega successful premiership clubs rather than their local club.....and watch football from their armchairs.Its a pity really as there is nothing like being at a game for atmosphere....and they are missing a real experience.

The reason the crowds are still not as good as we as we would like, well
people are finding things hard at present and sometimes paying the Bills is more of a priority.I am sure more people would like to watch but when games come thick and fast like Christmas it get expensive
And I.

The reason the crowds are still not as good as we as we would like, well
people are finding things hard at present and sometimes paying the Bills is more of a priority.I am sure more people would like to watch but when games come thick and fast like Christmas it get expensive
And I.

The reason the crowds are still not as good as we as we would like, well
people are finding things hard at present and sometimes paying the Bills is more of a priority.I am sure more people would like to watch but when games come thick and fast like Christmas it get expensive
And I.

RED LETTER DAY wrote:
. People have short memories, . It was not long ago that E Mitchell told us supporters to go and watch the Saints instead of AFC. . . Talk about shooting yerself in the foot...... I think the fans will slowly drift back to the fold with the current inform team performance.

I can't imagine any true Afcb fan going to watch the scummers, it was a stupid comment, but come on who would actually go and do it, I couldn't personally step foot in the place unless Afcb are playing

Contracted players are the way forward now we have financial stability. Tubbs should get more game time if EH doesn't fancy him, let him go in January, the guy deserves a manag that loves him. Let Barnard go, silly wages and no returns, given way too much time to prove himself. Pitman will work hard and find form again, but give him a short contract to keep him hungry. The crowds will come, a few steps closer to the play-off positions and we should see more fair weather fans!

RED LETTER DAY wrote:
. People have short memories, . It was not long ago that E Mitchell told us supporters to go and watch the Saints instead of AFC. . . Talk about shooting yerself in the foot...... I think the fans will slowly drift back to the fold with the current inform team performance.

I was shopping in Bmth town centre on Saturday with the wife and I was obviously checking my phone every two minutes to see how the cherries were getting on, it amazes me that there was no advertising the fact that we have a football team, surely a couple of posters up advertising our next home games can't be to difficult

I don't think many in the town are still aware of how great a team we have at the moment as its not in the headlines - however getting in the play-offs or promotion or a continued cup run ought to would grab attention. Its all about success on the pitch and that's certainly work in progress. Everything is going in the right direction.

. abc100, . I am not inferring that many fans swiched to the saints stadium. . . . What I am saying is that is no way to treat yer supporters...... A lot of fans got peed of with the club after that statement. . . . . Hopefully they will all support the team again soon as we are doing the business now.

we need to sign barnard permanantly class & hard working player-de mouge is un proven, also i dont think being a permanant signing as opposed to barnard being a loan one should give de mouge precedence over barnard when it comes to team selection,and often loan signings are better than the permanant ones,more often than not in my view-barnard back at least on the bench saturday,and arter in the team,we miss his flair in midfield...tough game colchester they will want to halt their bad run...

We should get Robinson and Hollands back

Alan Connell Alan!
Well done Alan - semi- finals of the league cup. You deserve it.

We will never get more than 8.000 even in the championship, at the moment we are playing sloppy football, eddie knows this too, seat prices are too high, most would rather pay for sky tv, i would like to see a 4th stand built, it would at least make it look like a football ground. as for the wage bill. who cares we have loads of money.

CherryFarmer wrote:

Square Old Codger wrote:

stevobath wrote:

Wilkie wrote: Attendances is now the mute issue. I honestly thought that if the 'unimaginable' occured and Eddie and Jason were lured back that we would soon be playing to full houses if they turned things around. Well, this has now happened and the transformation on the pitch has been beyond what anyone could have expected and yet we are only 1000 or so up on the crowds from the dark days of Groves and Brookes. Perhaps now is the time for those at the club to look at some of the other clubs with similar medium sized non-industrial catchments, which are successful at pulling in disproportionate sized followings. The likes of MKDons, Swindon, Ipswich, Norwich, Southampton, Brighton, Reading. The latter 5 would be pulling in at least 3 times the numbers in our situation.

Fans have always been fickle.Fair weather fans & always will be,Its just not a footballing town. As for Barnard.I think hes poor value & Demouge hasnt had any kind of chance.Even in the final minutes Eddie prefers Fletcher.Why not Demouge for 5 mins?

The fans are there, but this is a high cost, low wage area and the Club's catchment area includes 3 of the most deprived area's in the UK. Many people in these hard times simply don't have the money to go to games these days. Half the working population have no disposable income left after paying for the necessities of life amd some 40% struggle to pay their monthly bills. It is akso the Christmas season, with even more pressure on income. Gates are falling throughout the Football League.Whilst I expect to see a good gate on Boxing Day as people treat or are treated to a game, for most Football has become a luxury!. ALL of the Towns/Cities you mention do have a far better balanced economy than we enjoy, with higher average incomes.

3 of the most deprived areas in the UK?? Have you ever been to some of our large cities? This area is one of the most affluent areas of the whole UK and the club has a huge catchment area. We are certainly no less well off financially than we were in the 70s when gates were normally in excess of 15000. I think that part of the problem is that after years of non achievement the children have grown up supporting the mega successful premiership clubs rather than their local club.....and watch football from their armchairs.Its a pity really as there is nothing like being at a game for atmosphere....and they are missing a real experience.

I would suggest that you check the facts, this is a low wage area , high cost area and there are officially three of the UK's most deprived area's here, two in Bournemouth and one in Poole.We are also, officially, the worst place in the UK to find a new job. Yes, there are very affluent areas, Sandbanks amongst them, but the wealth is concentrated in few hands and they are unlikely to be too interested in football. We are in the midst of the largest fall in living standards since the 30's.and this decline is set to continue. It is also a fact that people have less disposable incomes than in the 70's today and of course things once regarded as luxuries are now seen as necessities. It is also true that the reason given by most occasional supporters for not attending more often is cost - they can't afford to go to games as frequently as they would wish.I would agree with you about children, you have to catch them young, most kids would rather play than watch but if they never go to Dean Court as a child, then they are unlikely to go as an adult.