7:11am Tuesday 26th February 2008
NICK Douch claims the Playershare raffle is no longer allowed to operate at Dean Court because Playershare Ltd declined to hand over its money to Cherries' administrators.
Douch, chairman of Playershare Ltd, revealed he received a letter last week from Walker Morris, the solicitors acting on behalf of the administrators.
"Because the club needed money in administration they thought it was appropriate that Playershare should give money to the administrator," explained Douch.
"And if that was something we weren't prepared to do, the Playershare raffle could no longer collect outside the ground.
"We're a limited company and directors can't just do that. We have to give money to help the team directly, so we had to decline the request and we had to ask the Playershare raffle not to stand outside.
"We're not being difficult and, in fact, we haven't got a lot of money. The whole point of Playershare is we're not cash-rich."
Douch added: "The important point for Playershare is we've always seen ourselves as independent of the football club.
"That's important because otherwise we could end up with money going where perhaps it wasn't intended. What we can't do is give money and say you can spend that on what you like'.
"Unless the shareholders said yes', we can't do it."
The letter to Douch from the solicitors, printed on a fans' website, said: "We do not believe that it is appropriate or constructive that Playershare continue to have a presence at the club. This will take effect before the match against Cheltenham and continue until further notice. We are sure that the club and Playershare can revert to cordial relations once the club is safely out of administration."
The Playershare raffle, which is independent of Playershare Ltd, collects donations from supporters and puts the money into Playershare's pot. In the five years it has been operating, more than £47,000 has been donated via the raffle.
Cherries administrator Gerald Krasner refused to comment on the issue.
RichardC, Poole says...
8:34am Tue 26 Feb 08
cooperman, a taxi rank says...
8:43am Tue 26 Feb 08
cooperman, a taxi rank says...
8:45am Tue 26 Feb 08
tednphil, bournemouth says...
8:46am Tue 26 Feb 08
I_8_Burnley, Work says...
8:53am Tue 26 Feb 08
RichardC wrote:Are you stupid enough to think this is Mostyn's work.....we are in administration......
I have put several donations into Playershare in the knowledge it would go only to fund signings/pay wages. I did not contribute so that Mostyn could take the money toward his administration and no doubt brag how he had invested more himself, before taking the club over for nothing. Mostyn has shown his true colours here and in my opinion this makes him unfit for the job. Why haven't the paper made it clear it was Mostyn demanding the cash? Are the paper so far in bed with Mostyns take over?
lymocherry, Lymington says...
9:35am Tue 26 Feb 08
kevvo, The dog house again says...
9:56am Tue 26 Feb 08
lymocherry wrote:Point taken Administration may not be the answer to our prayers but I would prefer to go through that than go bust which is what would have happened. I agree the Playershare should hold on to the money its for signings ect but as you say the administrator will grab every penny he can he has a duty to. I cant believe Mostyn would want it its loose change to him
The article quite clearly states that the solicitor was acting on behalf of the administrator, this is was administrators do, they will go through this business like a mad person and will grab every penny they can, do not blame Mostyn for this he has no say in what is going on as he doesn't run the club anymore. A nice little reality check for all those that thought administration was the answer to all our prayers, truth hurts doesn't it.
avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
10:43am Tue 26 Feb 08
FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast says...
11:21am Tue 26 Feb 08
b&bathletic, Pokesdown says...
11:32am Tue 26 Feb 08
avant-provocateur wrote:Who's the dumb one? Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought AFBC was AFCB? I always find it amusing when someone tries to belittle someone else and then makes themselves look the complete fool!
I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid! The supporters will soon be without a club and their pockets empty, while the Players, Manager and Directors will all move on to pastures new, with a load of dosh in their pockets and able to earn again far more than the average supporter. Kevvo and the other numpties take of your rose coloured glasses, you are being conned - Again - and when the club does go, who gets the money in Playershare, bet it isn't the supporters!
alasdair, windsor/kosovo says...
12:49pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Huckfan, Poole says...
1:59pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Fartycat, Bournemouth says...
4:31pm Tue 26 Feb 08
kevvo, The dog house again says...
5:12pm Tue 26 Feb 08
alasdair wrote:Why would you get slated for saying that it makes perfect sense to me
i will more than likly get slated here but:- maybe my view is wrong "PLAYERSHARE LTD" is a company in its own right nothing to do directly with afcb as a club could they not then be listed as creditors as they have given the club money which playershare has raised via donations from supporters and the general public ? not that they would list them selfs as creditors as they have the clubs and the supporters interests at heart. so why are the administrators trying to take monies from another company ?
kevvo, The dog house again says...
5:16pm Tue 26 Feb 08
avant-provocateur wrote:I dont doubt we are being conned but who by I dont trust any of them but you are way off the mark saying there will be no Club lets just wait and see shall we
I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid! The supporters will soon be without a club and their pockets empty, while the Players, Manager and Directors will all move on to pastures new, with a load of dosh in their pockets and able to earn again far more than the average supporter. Kevvo and the other numpties take of your rose coloured glasses, you are being conned - Again - and when the club does go, who gets the money in Playershare, bet it isn't the supporters!
lymocherry, Lymington says...
5:31pm Tue 26 Feb 08
fixxup, Poole says...
5:38pm Tue 26 Feb 08
I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid
alasdair, windsor/kosovo says...
5:51pm Tue 26 Feb 08
daves, broadstone says...
6:16pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Fartycat wrote:Isnt it Ironic that a poster on an Echo forum reports what the bloody Echo should have dug up themselves.You employ some brilliant reporters it seems!!It is also now quite to all & sundry that AFCB would be a less stenchier place,after admin.,with a completely new board & management team without 1 single member of the old guard near the place.
Echo website editor - why remove my post? I spoke to Steve Sly on Saturday who admitted that it was the club and not the administrator who made the decision regarding Playershare. Mostyn was seen last week in a public place arguing with a Playershare director over the matter. The club have had a strop, based on the directors lack of knowledge of what Playershare is and how it helps our team. And now instead of owning up they are trying to hide behind the administrator. This farce would never had happened if Laurence Jones was still at the club. Interesting to also read the Supporters' Trust statement issued today: "The Supporters Trust has, on a number of occasions, contacted the Chairman for replies to certain questions that we feel we need answers to. These questions include why the promised introduction of initial monies as share capital is still in the form of loans to the club? To the Supporters Trust this issue was paramount in our agreeing to hand over certain rights. We have not heard anything for a number of weeks and feel extremely disappointed that our requests still go unheeded. The Trust gave its support to the Chairman and Steve Sly and were looking forward to working together for the benefit for the club however recent events would lead us to the conclusion that this is not the case. We are also concerned as to the situation regarding playershare and why their fund raising efforts have been suspended on matchdays. For the avoidance of doubt we have not compromised the independence of the 2 ST Directors of the football Club because it is recognised that their legal and fiduciary duties to the company are paramount with the current situation (The Football Club). This is perhaps even more important at the time of administration where the actions of everyone are being scrutinised in fine detail. The ST remain as a voice for the fans of the club and we welcome discussions on the future of our club. We now publicly ask the chairman of the club to meet with us and discuss our concerns However notwithstanding our concerns, we are very grateful and have been told it by supporters, for JM/SS's cash injections which have helped to sustain the club in the past."
omim, France says...
6:47pm Tue 26 Feb 08
RichardC, Poole says...
7:25pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Fartycat wrote:Echo - this needs publishing/investiga
Echo website editor - why remove my post? I spoke to Steve Sly on Saturday who admitted that it was the club and not the administrator who made the decision regarding Playershare. Mostyn was seen last week in a public place arguing with a Playershare director over the matter. The club have had a strop, based on the directors lack of knowledge of what Playershare is and how it helps our team. And now instead of owning up they are trying to hide behind the administrator. This farce would never had happened if Laurence Jones was still at the club. Interesting to also read the Supporters' Trust statement issued today: "The Supporters Trust has, on a number of occasions, contacted the Chairman for replies to certain questions that we feel we need answers to. These questions include why the promised introduction of initial monies as share capital is still in the form of loans to the club? To the Supporters Trust this issue was paramount in our agreeing to hand over certain rights. We have not heard anything for a number of weeks and feel extremely disappointed that our requests still go unheeded. The Trust gave its support to the Chairman and Steve Sly and were looking forward to working together for the benefit for the club however recent events would lead us to the conclusion that this is not the case. We are also concerned as to the situation regarding playershare and why their fund raising efforts have been suspended on matchdays. For the avoidance of doubt we have not compromised the independence of the 2 ST Directors of the football Club because it is recognised that their legal and fiduciary duties to the company are paramount with the current situation (The Football Club). This is perhaps even more important at the time of administration where the actions of everyone are being scrutinised in fine detail. The ST remain as a voice for the fans of the club and we welcome discussions on the future of our club. We now publicly ask the chairman of the club to meet with us and discuss our concerns However notwithstanding our concerns, we are very grateful and have been told it by supporters, for JM/SS's cash injections which have helped to sustain the club in the past."
BobG, Bournemouth says...
7:30pm Tue 26 Feb 08
RichardC, Poole says...
7:40pm Tue 26 Feb 08
fixxup, Poole says...
8:13pm Tue 26 Feb 08
Fartycat, Bournemouth says...
10:03pm Tue 26 Feb 08
avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
10:39pm Tue 26 Feb 08
fixxup wrote:I didn't give any money to line the Directors pockets - Did you Sir? Obviously Yes - you silly person
I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupidYou sir, are an idiot. But one that we can all laugh at.
fergie1, Wallisdown says...
8:02am Wed 27 Feb 08
lymocherry wrote:More unsubstantiated crap from the retirement capital of hants.
The article quite clearly states that the solicitor was acting on behalf of the administrator, this is was administrators do, they will go through this business like a mad person and will grab every penny they can, do not blame Mostyn for this he has no say in what is going on as he doesn't run the club anymore. A nice little reality check for all those that thought administration was the answer to all our prayers, truth hurts doesn't it.
fergie1, Wallisdown says...
8:08am Wed 27 Feb 08
avant-provocateur wrote:AFCB are going nowhere, they'll be stronger and better than ever with new investment. You however will ALWAYS be a bitter and twisted old fart who wouldnt know what community pride was. Did our grandfathers really fight on the beaches to protect the speech of tossers like you?
I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid! The supporters will soon be without a club and their pockets empty, while the Players, Manager and Directors will all move on to pastures new, with a load of dosh in their pockets and able to earn again far more than the average supporter. Kevvo and the other numpties take of your rose coloured glasses, you are being conned - Again - and when the club does go, who gets the money in Playershare, bet it isn't the supporters!
RichardC, Poole says...
8:16am Wed 27 Feb 08
Fartycat wrote:Lets hope they do investigate, it would be a huge story to emerge from the club if true. I wonder if the BBC/Solent etc will be looking at investigating?
RichardC, it's not that hard either. All the Echo has to do is go to Companies House website and pay for the various reports. From what the Supporters' Trust have said, those reports show that Mostyn and Sly are not even shareholders of the club yet despite promising to become the major shareholders in the club nearly 12 months ago.
fixxup, Poole says...
9:07am Wed 27 Feb 08
avant-provocateur wrote:My money goes to playershare and not lining directors pockets. To show how stupid you are thinking I know nothing, i have been working at the club for a number of years and know where not to place my money. Though only work on matchdays, my small wages have gone to playershare, paying other staff and sometimes helping others who earn very little.
fixxup wrote:I didn't give any money to line the Directors pockets - Did you Sir? Obviously Yes - you silly personI have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupidYou sir, are an idiot. But one that we can all laugh at.
nick douch, Tring says...
9:25am Wed 27 Feb 08
lymocherry, Lymington says...
9:26am Wed 27 Feb 08
fergie1 wrote:SO you have another investor lined up the do you, how anyone can see a club going into Administration as the best thing to happen in 20 years is beyond me, at present it means the club is not owned by anyone, the administrator is after every penny he can get and then makes the lesser people redundant, doubt they thought it was so great, and on top of all that the likeliest new owner will be Mostyn and his band of merry men, so you tell me where this bright new future is, I am all for change but let's not get ahead of ourselves, oh and it's not unsubstantiated crap either, and why posting from Lymington should be a reason to take a pot shot just shows ignorance on your part.
lymocherry wrote:More unsubstantiated crap from the retirement capital of hants.
The article quite clearly states that the solicitor was acting on behalf of the administrator, this is was administrators do, they will go through this business like a mad person and will grab every penny they can, do not blame Mostyn for this he has no say in what is going on as he doesn't run the club anymore. A nice little reality check for all those that thought administration was the answer to all our prayers, truth hurts doesn't it.
Administration will be seen to be the single best thing to happen to AFCB in the last 20 years. Redknapp has made it clear he won't see the club go bust which should be viewed as a safety net if all else fails and in the meantime some decent consortiums can get together and look to plough some decent money into a debt free club. Although the immiediate future probably means relegation, the future can be extremely bright.
That said, the last thing this club needs is people like Mostyn and Sly in control.(is Sly still alive?) They dont have the funds to invest which means they'll borrow which means we'll tread water and end up in the same position in the long term. Also, as has been stated in the posts above, there is deep suspicion about Mostyn and his financial and ownership claims and until he makes public the accounts he cannot be allowed to be part of AFCB's future.
avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
9:33am Wed 27 Feb 08
fixxup wrote:so you admit that your employer AFCB is corrupt?
avant-provocateur wrote:My money goes to playershare and not lining directors pockets. To show how stupid you are thinking I know nothing, i have been working at the club for a number of years and know where not to place my money. Though only work on matchdays, my small wages have gone to playershare, paying other staff and sometimes helping others who earn very little. Feel stupid? Bet you dofixxup wrote:I didn't give any money to line the Directors pockets - Did you Sir? Obviously Yes - you silly personI have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupidYou sir, are an idiot. But one that we can all laugh at.
kevvo, The dog house again says...
9:54am Wed 27 Feb 08
lymocherry wrote:How can you cull supporters but as you say I too am glad things are begining to come out into the open and indeed we will or hope we will see what has really happened over the last few Years I am dying to know if Bond is being paid or not Why wont you tell me where you got your information that he wasnt from I am only assuming that he is.
We all wanted the dirt to come out and now it is happening, this is all good news as I see it, finally we will get some real truth as to the state of the club and who has taken what from where, I said it before that the Administrator does not work in the interest of the club he works for the creditors. I am sure there is plenty more to come out yet, cards are now on the table let's see who wants this club after this, I know I will but there will be a cull of supporters for sure.
kevvo, The dog house again says...
9:57am Wed 27 Feb 08
RichardC wrote:Dead rigt Why dont they investigate the real issues not Paul Mitchell and Brets mate.
The major rumour doing the rounds seems that Mostyn and Sly don't actually own the club as they apparenty have not paid something or other? Could the fans still be owners and our owners be frauds? who knows, Come on Echo investigate on behalf of your readers!
kevvo, The dog house again says...
10:05am Wed 27 Feb 08
lymocherry wrote:Well at least even you are now having second thoughts about Mostyn and the brigt future but I think administration was the only way to have a chance of surviving And to be fair to you Jeff was allways given a chance
fergie1 wrote:SO you have another investor lined up the do you, how anyone can see a club going into Administration as the best thing to happen in 20 years is beyond me, at present it means the club is not owned by anyone, the administrator is after every penny he can get and then makes the lesser people redundant, doubt they thought it was so great, and on top of all that the likeliest new owner will be Mostyn and his band of merry men, so you tell me where this bright new future is, I am all for change but let's not get ahead of ourselves, oh and it's not unsubstantiated crap either, and why posting from Lymington should be a reason to take a pot shot just shows ignorance on your part.lymocherry wrote: The article quite clearly states that the solicitor was acting on behalf of the administrator, this is was administrators do, they will go through this business like a mad person and will grab every penny they can, do not blame Mostyn for this he has no say in what is going on as he doesn't run the club anymore. A nice little reality check for all those that thought administration was the answer to all our prayers, truth hurts doesn't it.More unsubstantiated crap from the retirement capital of hants. Administration will be seen to be the single best thing to happen to AFCB in the last 20 years. Redknapp has made it clear he won't see the club go bust which should be viewed as a safety net if all else fails and in the meantime some decent consortiums can get together and look to plough some decent money into a debt free club. Although the immiediate future probably means relegation, the future can be extremely bright. That said, the last thing this club needs is people like Mostyn and Sly in control.(is Sly still alive?) They dont have the funds to invest which means they'll borrow which means we'll tread water and end up in the same position in the long term. Also, as has been stated in the posts above, there is deep suspicion about Mostyn and his financial and ownership claims and until he makes public the accounts he cannot be allowed to be part of AFCB's future.
Fartycat, Bournemouth says...
10:30am Wed 27 Feb 08
fixxup, Poole says...
10:44am Wed 27 Feb 08
Huckfan, Poole says...
11:18am Wed 27 Feb 08
nick douch wrote:nick douche
Just to clear up one piece of speculation from Huckfan earlier in this thread; there were no outstanding commitments by Playershare Ltd to the football club at the time of the club's administration.
avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
11:24am Wed 27 Feb 08
fixxup wrote:So the hardworking lowly paid AFCB supporters who freely gave away their money to a business without any guarantees are not stupid or dumb?
I dont like the way things have been and are going on about the club. Corrupt is a word i cant say i believe or not as i dont have all the facts to brand people this and that. I was pointing to your comment of "dumb supporters" especially AFCB ones. Supporters of AFCB are not dumb, just because they want to go along and watch their side and having no business or financial interest in the club doesnt make them dumb. Before you call names think..
FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast says...
11:47am Wed 27 Feb 08
avant-provocateur wrote:Do us all a favour, grow up and stop trolling.
fixxup wrote:So the hardworking lowly paid AFCB supporters who freely gave away their money to a business without any guarantees are not stupid or dumb?
I dont like the way things have been and are going on about the club. Corrupt is a word i cant say i believe or not as i dont have all the facts to brand people this and that. I was pointing to your comment of "dumb supporters" especially AFCB ones. Supporters of AFCB are not dumb, just because they want to go along and watch their side and having no business or financial interest in the club doesnt make them dumb. Before you call names think..
Do me a favour mate; I thought the weekly payment on the gate and the programme was to pay for the pleasure of watching football.
Go and watch local football, it is cheaper, not corrupt and you can see players who really do want to play football for the joy, not the money.
fixxup, Poole says...
12:41pm Wed 27 Feb 08
avant-provocateur wrote:First of all i am not your "mate". I have been watching AFCB and working there for a long time. What guarantee do supporters want when they pay for their ticket on the day/season ticket? They want good value football with players that give their all week in week out. Do people come and watch AFCB and think on the matchday, I wonder what guarantees from this business i will get today??!!!
fixxup wrote: I dont like the way things have been and are going on about the club. Corrupt is a word i cant say i believe or not as i dont have all the facts to brand people this and that. I was pointing to your comment of "dumb supporters" especially AFCB ones. Supporters of AFCB are not dumb, just because they want to go along and watch their side and having no business or financial interest in the club doesnt make them dumb. Before you call names think..So the hardworking lowly paid AFCB supporters who freely gave away their money to a business without any guarantees are not stupid or dumb? Do me a favour mate; I thought the weekly payment on the gate and the programme was to pay for the pleasure of watching football. Go and watch local football, it is cheaper, not corrupt and you can see players who really do want to play football for the joy, not the money.
avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
9:55am Thu 28 Feb 08
fixxup, Poole says...
10:28am Thu 28 Feb 08
avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
10:48am Thu 28 Feb 08
fixxup, Poole says...
12:50pm Thu 28 Feb 08
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Paul, Christchurch says...
7:39am Tue 26 Feb 08
Without P/Share this club could already be in the Conference. Well done for sticking to you principles and if this type of thing is a sign of the future, I will not renew my season ticket (which we will be asked to do soon) or go back.