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7:11am Tuesday 26th February 2008

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NICK Douch claims the Playershare raffle is no longer allowed to operate at Dean Court because Playershare Ltd declined to hand over its money to Cherries' administrators.

Douch, chairman of Playershare Ltd, revealed he received a letter last week from Walker Morris, the solicitors acting on behalf of the administrators.

"Because the club needed money in administration they thought it was appropriate that Playershare should give money to the administrator," explained Douch.

"And if that was something we weren't prepared to do, the Playershare raffle could no longer collect outside the ground.

"We're a limited company and directors can't just do that. We have to give money to help the team directly, so we had to decline the request and we had to ask the Playershare raffle not to stand outside.

"We're not being difficult and, in fact, we haven't got a lot of money. The whole point of Playershare is we're not cash-rich."

Douch added: "The important point for Playershare is we've always seen ourselves as independent of the football club.

"That's important because otherwise we could end up with money going where perhaps it wasn't intended. What we can't do is give money and say you can spend that on what you like'.

"Unless the shareholders said yes', we can't do it."

The letter to Douch from the solicitors, printed on a fans' website, said: "We do not believe that it is appropriate or constructive that Playershare continue to have a presence at the club. This will take effect before the match against Cheltenham and continue until further notice. We are sure that the club and Playershare can revert to cordial relations once the club is safely out of administration."

The Playershare raffle, which is independent of Playershare Ltd, collects donations from supporters and puts the money into Playershare's pot. In the five years it has been operating, more than £47,000 has been donated via the raffle.

Cherries administrator Gerald Krasner refused to comment on the issue.


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Paul, Christchurch says...
7:39am Tue 26 Feb 08

Disgusting. Shows what happens when someone comes in with heavy boots on that doesn't understand the runnings of a club.

Without P/Share this club could already be in the Conference. Well done for sticking to you principles and if this type of thing is a sign of the future, I will not renew my season ticket (which we will be asked to do soon) or go back.


RichardC, Poole says...
8:34am Tue 26 Feb 08

I have put several donations into Playershare in the knowledge it would go only to fund signings/pay wages. I did not contribute so that Mostyn could take the money toward his administration and no doubt brag how he had invested more himself, before taking the club over for nothing. Mostyn has shown his true colours here and in my opinion this makes him unfit for the job. Why haven't the paper made it clear it was Mostyn demanding the cash? Are the paper so far in bed with Mostyns take over?

cooperman, a taxi rank says...
8:43am Tue 26 Feb 08

so is anyone trully suprised at this one - the people at the top are there to earn not just for the love of it ,bad football is a cash sponge and heres the evidence

cooperman, a taxi rank says...
8:45am Tue 26 Feb 08

so is anyone trully suprised at this one - the people at the top are there to earn not just for the love of it ,bad football is a cash sponge and heres the evidence

tednphil, bournemouth says...
8:46am Tue 26 Feb 08

Whilst I am not an expert on these matters, I imagine that legally, the Administrators cannot be seen to assist any part of the club (however loosely connected) to be raising money and not handing that money over to assist in the current day-to-day running of the club.

As the solitor's letter stated, "It is hoped that cordial relations are resumed, once the club is safely out of administration."



I_8_Burnley, Work says...
8:53am Tue 26 Feb 08

RichardC wrote:
I have put several donations into Playershare in the knowledge it would go only to fund signings/pay wages. I did not contribute so that Mostyn could take the money toward his administration and no doubt brag how he had invested more himself, before taking the club over for nothing. Mostyn has shown his true colours here and in my opinion this makes him unfit for the job. Why haven't the paper made it clear it was Mostyn demanding the cash? Are the paper so far in bed with Mostyns take over?
Are you stupid enough to think this is Mostyn's work.....we are in administration......
the purpose of that is that THE ADMINISTRATORS run the club and not the previous regime!! You may not like JM, but get your facts right

lymocherry, Lymington says...
9:35am Tue 26 Feb 08

The article quite clearly states that the solicitor was acting on behalf of the administrator, this is was administrators do, they will go through this business like a mad person and will grab every penny they can, do not blame Mostyn for this he has no say in what is going on as he doesn't run the club anymore. A nice little reality check for all those that thought administration was the answer to all our prayers, truth hurts doesn't it.

kevvo, The dog house again says...
9:56am Tue 26 Feb 08

lymocherry wrote:
The article quite clearly states that the solicitor was acting on behalf of the administrator, this is was administrators do, they will go through this business like a mad person and will grab every penny they can, do not blame Mostyn for this he has no say in what is going on as he doesn't run the club anymore. A nice little reality check for all those that thought administration was the answer to all our prayers, truth hurts doesn't it.
Point taken Administration may not be the answer to our prayers but I would prefer to go through that than go bust which is what would have happened. I agree the Playershare should hold on to the money its for signings ect but as you say the administrator will grab every penny he can he has a duty to. I cant believe Mostyn would want it its loose change to him

avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
10:43am Tue 26 Feb 08

I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid! The supporters will soon be without a club and their pockets empty, while the Players, Manager and Directors will all move on to pastures new, with a load of dosh in their pockets and able to earn again far more than the average supporter. Kevvo and the other numpties take of your rose coloured glasses, you are being conned - Again - and when the club does go, who gets the money in Playershare, bet it isn't the supporters!

FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast says...
11:21am Tue 26 Feb 08

"The supporters will soon be without a club"

Yada yada yada. You don't have any basis in fact for anything you say. Pretty much makes your argument fatuous and your posting irrelevant. Time to play with the traffic.

b&bathletic, Pokesdown says...
11:32am Tue 26 Feb 08

avant-provocateur wrote:
I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid! The supporters will soon be without a club and their pockets empty, while the Players, Manager and Directors will all move on to pastures new, with a load of dosh in their pockets and able to earn again far more than the average supporter. Kevvo and the other numpties take of your rose coloured glasses, you are being conned - Again - and when the club does go, who gets the money in Playershare, bet it isn't the supporters!
Who's the dumb one? Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought AFBC was AFCB? I always find it amusing when someone tries to belittle someone else and then makes themselves look the complete fool!

alasdair, windsor/kosovo says...
12:49pm Tue 26 Feb 08

i will more than likly get slated here but:-

maybe my view is wrong "PLAYERSHARE LTD" is a company in its own right nothing to do directly with afcb as a club could they not then be listed as creditors as they have given the club money which playershare has raised via donations from supporters and the general public ? not that they would list them selfs as creditors as they have the clubs and the supporters interests at heart.
so why are the administrators trying to take monies from another company ?

Huckfan, Poole says...
1:59pm Tue 26 Feb 08

Alasdair

You may find there is a contract between playershare Ltd and AFCB for paying wages to the players. That is why the solicitors are involved. if playershare are contracted to pay some part of the players wages bill, then they have to continue this. If Playershare Ltd are refusing to pay, then AFCB are obviously taking punative measures, i.e. the Raffle in response.

I am only speculating here.

Fartycat, Bournemouth says...
4:31pm Tue 26 Feb 08

Echo website editor - why remove my post?

I spoke to Steve Sly on Saturday who admitted that it was the club and not the administrator who made the decision regarding Playershare. Mostyn was seen last week in a public place arguing with a Playershare director over the matter.

The club have had a strop, based on the directors lack of knowledge of what Playershare is and how it helps our team. And now instead of owning up they are trying to hide behind the administrator. This farce would never had happened if Laurence Jones was still at the club.

Interesting to also read the Supporters' Trust statement issued today:

"The Supporters Trust has, on a number of occasions, contacted the Chairman for replies to certain questions that we feel we need answers to. These questions include why the promised introduction of initial monies as share capital is still in the form of loans to the club? To the Supporters Trust this issue was paramount in our agreeing to hand over certain rights. We have not heard anything for a number of weeks and feel extremely disappointed that our requests still go unheeded.

The Trust gave its support to the Chairman and Steve Sly and were looking forward to working together for the benefit for the club however recent events would lead us to the conclusion that this is not the case.

We are also concerned as to the situation regarding playershare and why their fund raising efforts have been suspended on matchdays.

For the avoidance of doubt we have not compromised the independence of the 2 ST Directors of the football Club because it is recognised that their legal and fiduciary duties to the company are paramount with the current situation (The Football Club). This is perhaps even more important at the time of administration where the actions of everyone are being scrutinised in fine detail.

The ST remain as a voice for the fans of the club and we welcome discussions on the future of our club. We now publicly ask the chairman of the club to meet with us and discuss our concerns However notwithstanding our concerns, we are very grateful and have been told it by supporters, for JM/SS's cash injections which have helped to sustain the club in the past."

kevvo, The dog house again says...
5:12pm Tue 26 Feb 08

alasdair wrote:
i will more than likly get slated here but:- maybe my view is wrong "PLAYERSHARE LTD" is a company in its own right nothing to do directly with afcb as a club could they not then be listed as creditors as they have given the club money which playershare has raised via donations from supporters and the general public ? not that they would list them selfs as creditors as they have the clubs and the supporters interests at heart. so why are the administrators trying to take monies from another company ?
Why would you get slated for saying that it makes perfect sense to me

kevvo, The dog house again says...
5:16pm Tue 26 Feb 08

avant-provocateur wrote:
I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid! The supporters will soon be without a club and their pockets empty, while the Players, Manager and Directors will all move on to pastures new, with a load of dosh in their pockets and able to earn again far more than the average supporter. Kevvo and the other numpties take of your rose coloured glasses, you are being conned - Again - and when the club does go, who gets the money in Playershare, bet it isn't the supporters!
I dont doubt we are being conned but who by I dont trust any of them but you are way off the mark saying there will be no Club lets just wait and see shall we

lymocherry, Lymington says...
5:31pm Tue 26 Feb 08

We all wanted the dirt to come out and now it is happening, this is all good news as I see it, finally we will get some real truth as to the state of the club and who has taken what from where, I said it before that the Administrator does not work in the interest of the club he works for the creditors. I am sure there is plenty more to come out yet, cards are now on the table let's see who wants this club after this, I know I will but there will be a cull of supporters for sure.

fixxup, Poole says...
5:38pm Tue 26 Feb 08

I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid



You sir, are an idiot. But one that we can all laugh at.

alasdair, windsor/kosovo says...
5:51pm Tue 26 Feb 08

the whole administration issue winds me up who are the ones that are punished for the financial mis givings? with the 10 point deduction the supporters and players are the ones who feel the brunt. with now as far as im concerned relegation an almost certainty the thing that gets my back up the most is when pushed at the press conference for minimum funding grasner stated 3 million as he said 20 min wage bill for arsenal so over 90 min game thats 13.5 million more than enough to clear our debts buy the ground back and have money in the bank. it sickens me the premier league clubs get richer while grass roots football dies 3 teams in same division all with points deducted due to administration disgusts me

daves, broadstone says...
6:16pm Tue 26 Feb 08

Fartycat wrote:
Echo website editor - why remove my post? I spoke to Steve Sly on Saturday who admitted that it was the club and not the administrator who made the decision regarding Playershare. Mostyn was seen last week in a public place arguing with a Playershare director over the matter. The club have had a strop, based on the directors lack of knowledge of what Playershare is and how it helps our team. And now instead of owning up they are trying to hide behind the administrator. This farce would never had happened if Laurence Jones was still at the club. Interesting to also read the Supporters' Trust statement issued today: "The Supporters Trust has, on a number of occasions, contacted the Chairman for replies to certain questions that we feel we need answers to. These questions include why the promised introduction of initial monies as share capital is still in the form of loans to the club? To the Supporters Trust this issue was paramount in our agreeing to hand over certain rights. We have not heard anything for a number of weeks and feel extremely disappointed that our requests still go unheeded. The Trust gave its support to the Chairman and Steve Sly and were looking forward to working together for the benefit for the club however recent events would lead us to the conclusion that this is not the case. We are also concerned as to the situation regarding playershare and why their fund raising efforts have been suspended on matchdays. For the avoidance of doubt we have not compromised the independence of the 2 ST Directors of the football Club because it is recognised that their legal and fiduciary duties to the company are paramount with the current situation (The Football Club). This is perhaps even more important at the time of administration where the actions of everyone are being scrutinised in fine detail. The ST remain as a voice for the fans of the club and we welcome discussions on the future of our club. We now publicly ask the chairman of the club to meet with us and discuss our concerns However notwithstanding our concerns, we are very grateful and have been told it by supporters, for JM/SS's cash injections which have helped to sustain the club in the past."
Isnt it Ironic that a poster on an Echo forum reports what the bloody Echo should have dug up themselves.You employ some brilliant reporters it seems!!It is also now quite to all & sundry that AFCB would be a less stenchier place,after admin.,with a completely new board & management team without 1 single member of the old guard near the place.

omim, France says...
6:47pm Tue 26 Feb 08

Daves..What I have been saying on the messageboards for months. A clean sweep of the boardroom. Nobody should remain from the old junta.
Then a proper enquiry should begin.

RichardC, Poole says...
7:25pm Tue 26 Feb 08

Fartycat wrote:
Echo website editor - why remove my post? I spoke to Steve Sly on Saturday who admitted that it was the club and not the administrator who made the decision regarding Playershare. Mostyn was seen last week in a public place arguing with a Playershare director over the matter. The club have had a strop, based on the directors lack of knowledge of what Playershare is and how it helps our team. And now instead of owning up they are trying to hide behind the administrator. This farce would never had happened if Laurence Jones was still at the club. Interesting to also read the Supporters' Trust statement issued today: "The Supporters Trust has, on a number of occasions, contacted the Chairman for replies to certain questions that we feel we need answers to. These questions include why the promised introduction of initial monies as share capital is still in the form of loans to the club? To the Supporters Trust this issue was paramount in our agreeing to hand over certain rights. We have not heard anything for a number of weeks and feel extremely disappointed that our requests still go unheeded. The Trust gave its support to the Chairman and Steve Sly and were looking forward to working together for the benefit for the club however recent events would lead us to the conclusion that this is not the case. We are also concerned as to the situation regarding playershare and why their fund raising efforts have been suspended on matchdays. For the avoidance of doubt we have not compromised the independence of the 2 ST Directors of the football Club because it is recognised that their legal and fiduciary duties to the company are paramount with the current situation (The Football Club). This is perhaps even more important at the time of administration where the actions of everyone are being scrutinised in fine detail. The ST remain as a voice for the fans of the club and we welcome discussions on the future of our club. We now publicly ask the chairman of the club to meet with us and discuss our concerns However notwithstanding our concerns, we are very grateful and have been told it by supporters, for JM/SS's cash injections which have helped to sustain the club in the past."
Echo - this needs publishing/investiga
ting if you really want credibility.

BobG, Bournemouth says...
7:30pm Tue 26 Feb 08

Unfortunately we will never know the truth about anything in the boardroom from the Watkins era onwards. Crowds now below 5000 every game. Even the old faithfull are disappearing week by week. Some will never return. I really fear for the future of this club. It will be interesting to see how many of the potential investors actually have the balls to take this shambles on. As for playershare; I have donated significant monies to this cause and i am delighted that they are refusing to hand it over to the black hole. Good on you and a big thank you from me.

RichardC, Poole says...
7:40pm Tue 26 Feb 08

The major rumour doing the rounds seems that Mostyn and Sly don't actually own the club as they apparenty have not paid something or other? Could the fans still be owners and our owners be frauds? who knows, Come on Echo investigate on behalf of your readers!

fixxup, Poole says...
8:13pm Tue 26 Feb 08

FFS Echo "journalists", you say your a paper for the local people and local sport, well pull the finger out and do some decent investigation work about the above points!!!

Fartycat, Bournemouth says...
10:03pm Tue 26 Feb 08

RichardC, it's not that hard either. All the Echo has to do is go to Companies House website and pay for the various reports. From what the Supporters' Trust have said, those reports show that Mostyn and Sly are not even shareholders of the club yet despite promising to become the major shareholders in the club nearly 12 months ago.

avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
10:39pm Tue 26 Feb 08

fixxup wrote:
I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid
You sir, are an idiot. But one that we can all laugh at.
I didn't give any money to line the Directors pockets - Did you Sir? Obviously Yes - you silly person

fergie1, Wallisdown says...
8:02am Wed 27 Feb 08

lymocherry wrote:
The article quite clearly states that the solicitor was acting on behalf of the administrator, this is was administrators do, they will go through this business like a mad person and will grab every penny they can, do not blame Mostyn for this he has no say in what is going on as he doesn't run the club anymore. A nice little reality check for all those that thought administration was the answer to all our prayers, truth hurts doesn't it.
More unsubstantiated crap from the retirement capital of hants.

Administration will be seen to be the single best thing to happen to AFCB in the last 20 years. Redknapp has made it clear he won't see the club go bust which should be viewed as a safety net if all else fails and in the meantime some decent consortiums can get together and look to plough some decent money into a debt free club. Although the immiediate future probably means relegation, the future can be extremely bright.

That said, the last thing this club needs is people like Mostyn and Sly in control.(is Sly still alive?) They dont have the funds to invest which means they'll borrow which means we'll tread water and end up in the same position in the long term. Also, as has been stated in the posts above, there is deep suspicion about Mostyn and his financial and ownership claims and until he makes public the accounts he cannot be allowed to be part of AFCB's future.

fergie1, Wallisdown says...
8:08am Wed 27 Feb 08

avant-provocateur wrote:
I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid! The supporters will soon be without a club and their pockets empty, while the Players, Manager and Directors will all move on to pastures new, with a load of dosh in their pockets and able to earn again far more than the average supporter. Kevvo and the other numpties take of your rose coloured glasses, you are being conned - Again - and when the club does go, who gets the money in Playershare, bet it isn't the supporters!
AFCB are going nowhere, they'll be stronger and better than ever with new investment. You however will ALWAYS be a bitter and twisted old fart who wouldnt know what community pride was. Did our grandfathers really fight on the beaches to protect the speech of tossers like you?

RichardC, Poole says...
8:16am Wed 27 Feb 08

Fartycat wrote:
RichardC, it's not that hard either. All the Echo has to do is go to Companies House website and pay for the various reports. From what the Supporters' Trust have said, those reports show that Mostyn and Sly are not even shareholders of the club yet despite promising to become the major shareholders in the club nearly 12 months ago.
Lets hope they do investigate, it would be a huge story to emerge from the club if true. I wonder if the BBC/Solent etc will be looking at investigating?

fixxup, Poole says...
9:07am Wed 27 Feb 08

avant-provocateur wrote:
fixxup wrote:
I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid
You sir, are an idiot. But one that we can all laugh at.
I didn't give any money to line the Directors pockets - Did you Sir? Obviously Yes - you silly person
My money goes to playershare and not lining directors pockets. To show how stupid you are thinking I know nothing, i have been working at the club for a number of years and know where not to place my money. Though only work on matchdays, my small wages have gone to playershare, paying other staff and sometimes helping others who earn very little.
Feel stupid?
Bet you do

nick douch, Tring says...
9:25am Wed 27 Feb 08

Just to clear up one piece of speculation from Huckfan earlier in this thread; there were no outstanding commitments by Playershare Ltd to the football club at the time of the club's administration.

lymocherry, Lymington says...
9:26am Wed 27 Feb 08

fergie1 wrote:
lymocherry wrote:
The article quite clearly states that the solicitor was acting on behalf of the administrator, this is was administrators do, they will go through this business like a mad person and will grab every penny they can, do not blame Mostyn for this he has no say in what is going on as he doesn't run the club anymore. A nice little reality check for all those that thought administration was the answer to all our prayers, truth hurts doesn't it.
More unsubstantiated crap from the retirement capital of hants.

Administration will be seen to be the single best thing to happen to AFCB in the last 20 years. Redknapp has made it clear he won't see the club go bust which should be viewed as a safety net if all else fails and in the meantime some decent consortiums can get together and look to plough some decent money into a debt free club. Although the immiediate future probably means relegation, the future can be extremely bright.

That said, the last thing this club needs is people like Mostyn and Sly in control.(is Sly still alive?) They dont have the funds to invest which means they'll borrow which means we'll tread water and end up in the same position in the long term. Also, as has been stated in the posts above, there is deep suspicion about Mostyn and his financial and ownership claims and until he makes public the accounts he cannot be allowed to be part of AFCB's future.
SO you have another investor lined up the do you, how anyone can see a club going into Administration as the best thing to happen in 20 years is beyond me, at present it means the club is not owned by anyone, the administrator is after every penny he can get and then makes the lesser people redundant, doubt they thought it was so great, and on top of all that the likeliest new owner will be Mostyn and his band of merry men, so you tell me where this bright new future is, I am all for change but let's not get ahead of ourselves, oh and it's not unsubstantiated crap either, and why posting from Lymington should be a reason to take a pot shot just shows ignorance on your part.

avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
9:33am Wed 27 Feb 08

fixxup wrote:
avant-provocateur wrote:
fixxup wrote:
I have read many comments on here regarding how dumb football supporters are, especially AFBC - to have given freely so much money to a blackhole was just plain stupid
You sir, are an idiot. But one that we can all laugh at.
I didn't give any money to line the Directors pockets - Did you Sir? Obviously Yes - you silly person
My money goes to playershare and not lining directors pockets. To show how stupid you are thinking I know nothing, i have been working at the club for a number of years and know where not to place my money. Though only work on matchdays, my small wages have gone to playershare, paying other staff and sometimes helping others who earn very little. Feel stupid? Bet you do
so you admit that your employer AFCB is corrupt?

kevvo, The dog house again says...
9:54am Wed 27 Feb 08

lymocherry wrote:
We all wanted the dirt to come out and now it is happening, this is all good news as I see it, finally we will get some real truth as to the state of the club and who has taken what from where, I said it before that the Administrator does not work in the interest of the club he works for the creditors. I am sure there is plenty more to come out yet, cards are now on the table let's see who wants this club after this, I know I will but there will be a cull of supporters for sure.
How can you cull supporters but as you say I too am glad things are begining to come out into the open and indeed we will or hope we will see what has really happened over the last few Years I am dying to know if Bond is being paid or not Why wont you tell me where you got your information that he wasnt from I am only assuming that he is.

kevvo, The dog house again says...
9:57am Wed 27 Feb 08

RichardC wrote:
The major rumour doing the rounds seems that Mostyn and Sly don't actually own the club as they apparenty have not paid something or other? Could the fans still be owners and our owners be frauds? who knows, Come on Echo investigate on behalf of your readers!
Dead rigt Why dont they investigate the real issues not Paul Mitchell and Brets mate.

kevvo, The dog house again says...
10:05am Wed 27 Feb 08

lymocherry wrote:
fergie1 wrote:
lymocherry wrote: The article quite clearly states that the solicitor was acting on behalf of the administrator, this is was administrators do, they will go through this business like a mad person and will grab every penny they can, do not blame Mostyn for this he has no say in what is going on as he doesn't run the club anymore. A nice little reality check for all those that thought administration was the answer to all our prayers, truth hurts doesn't it.
More unsubstantiated crap from the retirement capital of hants. Administration will be seen to be the single best thing to happen to AFCB in the last 20 years. Redknapp has made it clear he won't see the club go bust which should be viewed as a safety net if all else fails and in the meantime some decent consortiums can get together and look to plough some decent money into a debt free club. Although the immiediate future probably means relegation, the future can be extremely bright. That said, the last thing this club needs is people like Mostyn and Sly in control.(is Sly still alive?) They dont have the funds to invest which means they'll borrow which means we'll tread water and end up in the same position in the long term. Also, as has been stated in the posts above, there is deep suspicion about Mostyn and his financial and ownership claims and until he makes public the accounts he cannot be allowed to be part of AFCB's future.
SO you have another investor lined up the do you, how anyone can see a club going into Administration as the best thing to happen in 20 years is beyond me, at present it means the club is not owned by anyone, the administrator is after every penny he can get and then makes the lesser people redundant, doubt they thought it was so great, and on top of all that the likeliest new owner will be Mostyn and his band of merry men, so you tell me where this bright new future is, I am all for change but let's not get ahead of ourselves, oh and it's not unsubstantiated crap either, and why posting from Lymington should be a reason to take a pot shot just shows ignorance on your part.
Well at least even you are now having second thoughts about Mostyn and the brigt future but I think administration was the only way to have a chance of surviving And to be fair to you Jeff was allways given a chance

I agree with what you say about ubstantiated crap which is why I politly asked you where I could find the information to substantiate your claim that Bond is not being paid. It would appear that nobody is actually able to say if he is or not not even himself I would of thought that the blameless Man would have supported his Players actions in the Clubs time of need . Did he or didnt he what about askingf that question Echo

Fartycat, Bournemouth says...
10:30am Wed 27 Feb 08

Just to further confirm the story, one of the fan directors has said regarding Mostyn and Sly that "no new shares were issued and so technically the shareholders still own the club."

As I remember it, Mostyn and Sly promised to put in 750,000 as share capital. That would have seen the club's balance sheet improve considerably.

But if this large sum has actually been treated as a loan would it have not skewed the club's finances to make them look even worse than what they really were?

I'm personally fed up of investors who promise the world but only loan the club money. We all saw with Stanley Cohen that it soon comes unstuck and is the reason why we don't own our ground any more

fixxup, Poole says...
10:44am Wed 27 Feb 08

I dont like the way things have been and are going on about the club. Corrupt is a word i cant say i believe or not as i dont have all the facts to brand people this and that. I was pointing to your comment of "dumb supporters" especially AFCB ones. Supporters of AFCB are not dumb, just because they want to go along and watch their side and having no business or financial interest in the club doesnt make them dumb.
Before you call names think..

Huckfan, Poole says...
11:18am Wed 27 Feb 08

nick douch wrote:
Just to clear up one piece of speculation from Huckfan earlier in this thread; there were no outstanding commitments by Playershare Ltd to the football club at the time of the club's administration.
nick douche
thank you for replying. I did not intend my comment on Playershare Ltd to be in anyway mischievious speculation. Alasdair asked why, so i gave a possibility of why.
I am in full support of playershare Ltd being left alone by the Administrators, but the fact that Playershare Ltd was set up specifically to fund AFCB players, could be argued that it is part of AFCB due to its direct finance association. I think the Administrators are clutching at straws, keep up the good fight.

avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
11:24am Wed 27 Feb 08

fixxup wrote:
I dont like the way things have been and are going on about the club. Corrupt is a word i cant say i believe or not as i dont have all the facts to brand people this and that. I was pointing to your comment of "dumb supporters" especially AFCB ones. Supporters of AFCB are not dumb, just because they want to go along and watch their side and having no business or financial interest in the club doesnt make them dumb. Before you call names think..
So the hardworking lowly paid AFCB supporters who freely gave away their money to a business without any guarantees are not stupid or dumb?
Do me a favour mate; I thought the weekly payment on the gate and the programme was to pay for the pleasure of watching football.
Go and watch local football, it is cheaper, not corrupt and you can see players who really do want to play football for the joy, not the money.

FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast says...
11:47am Wed 27 Feb 08

avant-provocateur wrote:
fixxup wrote:
I dont like the way things have been and are going on about the club. Corrupt is a word i cant say i believe or not as i dont have all the facts to brand people this and that. I was pointing to your comment of "dumb supporters" especially AFCB ones. Supporters of AFCB are not dumb, just because they want to go along and watch their side and having no business or financial interest in the club doesnt make them dumb. Before you call names think..
So the hardworking lowly paid AFCB supporters who freely gave away their money to a business without any guarantees are not stupid or dumb?
Do me a favour mate; I thought the weekly payment on the gate and the programme was to pay for the pleasure of watching football.
Go and watch local football, it is cheaper, not corrupt and you can see players who really do want to play football for the joy, not the money.
Do us all a favour, grow up and stop trolling.


fixxup, Poole says...
12:41pm Wed 27 Feb 08

avant-provocateur wrote:
fixxup wrote: I dont like the way things have been and are going on about the club. Corrupt is a word i cant say i believe or not as i dont have all the facts to brand people this and that. I was pointing to your comment of "dumb supporters" especially AFCB ones. Supporters of AFCB are not dumb, just because they want to go along and watch their side and having no business or financial interest in the club doesnt make them dumb. Before you call names think..
So the hardworking lowly paid AFCB supporters who freely gave away their money to a business without any guarantees are not stupid or dumb? Do me a favour mate; I thought the weekly payment on the gate and the programme was to pay for the pleasure of watching football. Go and watch local football, it is cheaper, not corrupt and you can see players who really do want to play football for the joy, not the money.
First of all i am not your "mate". I have been watching AFCB and working there for a long time. What guarantee do supporters want when they pay for their ticket on the day/season ticket? They want good value football with players that give their all week in week out. Do people come and watch AFCB and think on the matchday, I wonder what guarantees from this business i will get today??!!!

I cant speak for the business side of things, however, one guarantee is for sure, if people stay away from the ground, there wont be any football.
Alot of people that I speak to during matchdays have no interest in off field politics/business but still pay their hard earned money to watch their team. They rather speak of team affairs, tactics and the last game.
Are they stupid?
what if they all didnt turn up?

avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
9:55am Thu 28 Feb 08

Reply to Fixxup A lot of people that I speak to during match days have no interest in off field politics/business but still pay their hard earned money to watch their team. They rather speak of team affairs, tactics and the last game.
I sincerely admire your loyalty but it is seriously misplaced in the 21st century. Football is a business and if a boss can get you doing something for nothing or pay a pittance and then you give it to one of his employees you are very shortsighted. I would imagine you are mature in years and used to tip your hat to your 'gentleman’ employer. Those days have gone mate, get real and spend your money on your family, (No! AFCB are not your family)
When this fiasco of administration is over and Mostyn is back in charge, will he thank you? Of course not, he is there for the money that is how he became a multi-millionaire.
If you love football that much there are so many local teams to support that you haven’t got to keep giving money to. Ok Mate?
How come you don't support Poole anyway - that would be more loyal!

fixxup, Poole says...
10:28am Thu 28 Feb 08

Support means loyalty so i wont go support Poole, though i hope they do well.
You continue to suggest that i duck my head in the sand. I hope that in admin all the previous dealings, good and bad are brought to the front and any devious dealings that have gone on, which they have, are brought out.
I appreciate your point of football being a business, however it is also entertainment.
As for Mostyn thanking me, I couldnt give a flying fu"£ if he does or doesnt. The customers that i serve thank me and thats good enough for me.
As for spending money on my family, that point is obvious and AFCB are not my priority.
Thanks for your words of wisdom.





Mate ;)

avant-provocateur, LOCAL says...
10:48am Thu 28 Feb 08

We are still trying to get to see the accounts for AFCB for the last ten years under the 'FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT' but as AFCB is a limited company and there are other confusing anomalies we are finding it very hard to find ‘The bottom line’.

Please don’t get me wrong I do have a lot of respect for people such as you who are genuine supporters, but I get angry that you are treated in such an abysmal way. The company as I said is a business, yes they do take advantage and yes we want to see the books as the supporters have saved this club over the years. The Directors have a moral obligation to open these books. By not doing so they are very much open to the charge of corruption. I read today that Mitchell has backed out leaving Mostyn the prime runner. Is Mostyn another Ted Bates and if so are the club going to lose 15 points next season? Lets have entirely new blood, open the books, expose the guilty and for the first time in a long time have a club we can be proud of.

fixxup, Poole says...
12:50pm Thu 28 Feb 08

avant - provocateur

I agree


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