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Asda price? £527 - for two pork chops
8:23am Tuesday 2nd October 2012 in Latest
A SHOPPER was shocked when two pork chops set her back £527.22.
The woman had already taken her shopping through a self-service checkout and paid with her card before she noticed the error.
Staff at Asda corrected the transaction – but warned the money would not be refunded into her bank account for two working days.
As the mistake occurred on Friday, this left the 57-year-old with no available cash until today at the earliest.
The chops show up on her receipt as “meat reduced – £527.22”.
Speaking on behalf of his mum, Nathan Cole, of Upton Heath Estate, Upton, Poole, said: “It was only an hour after she’d been to the Asda store in Poole when she looked at her receipt.
“The bill including the two pork chops was for a whopping £549.68.
“Later, when she was eating the chops for dinner with my dad, she told him to enjoy them as they’d cost £50 a mouthful.
“Unfortunately mum was in a bit of a rush and had left her reading glasses at home.”
Nathan criticises Asda for not helping his worried mum more after she rushed back to the West Quay Road store.
“She couldn’t believe the money couldn’t go back on her account immediately. At first all they offered was to refund the pork chops,” he said.
“But then the manager came and gave her a £5 gift card.
“All my mum wanted was peace of mind. She wanted someone to say, ‘Look, if you get any charges for going overdrawn or struggle to pay for anything on your card because of this, please come back and we will compensate’.
“But she was told nothing. I don’t think this is the best customer service.”
Asda said: "A system glitch meant that the pork chop scanned at the wrong price. As soon as Mrs Cole highlighted this to us we refunded her the full amount, and also gave her a £5 gift card to say sorry for our mistake.
"It goes without saying that we’re sorry for any inconvenience caused. Sometimes refunds can take a couple of days to appear on back onto a bank card due to banking systems, but the refund should hit Mrs Cole’s account today."
Comments(107)
tricky1007
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8:27am Tue 2 Oct 12
penhale
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8:33am Tue 2 Oct 12
tricky1007 wrote:Cant really see anybody going overdrawn at the bank of maxing out their credit card just to get a few freebies, on the other hand I think I would notice that my weekly shop had just cost mo over £500 even without glasses.
Yeah Asda fault for the woman not reading what the amount was before putting her card details through! If she had no reading glasses go through a normal till if her eyesight is that bad without them, although my guess would be she could see it fine, just trying to get some freebies out of Asda
uvox44
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8:40am Tue 2 Oct 12
The Seasider
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9:22am Tue 2 Oct 12
chicken_madras
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9:25am Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:are you mad? How do you think humans are supposed to get a good natural source of iron?
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
Pounder
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9:29am Tue 2 Oct 12
Dibbles2
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9:31am Tue 2 Oct 12
chicken_madras wrote:Brocolli and other vegetables? JUst because someone is a vegetarian doesnt mean they are mad so come on stop with the insults. And no Im not a vegetarian!
uvox44 wrote:are you mad? How do you think humans are supposed to get a good natural source of iron?
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
Glenn Ponder
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9:34am Tue 2 Oct 12
jeebuscripes
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9:44am Tue 2 Oct 12
MrPitiful
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9:47am Tue 2 Oct 12
mikey2gorgeous
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9:56am Tue 2 Oct 12
The Liberal
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10:15am Tue 2 Oct 12
norwood70
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10:27am Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:What a load of rubbish!! If we werent supposed to eat meat, humans would not have been given teeth. Meat eaters live a lot healthier lives than veggies, just ask any doctor.
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
uvox44
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10:49am Tue 2 Oct 12
Point two - the idea that having teeth proves were are meant to eat meat is actually quite funny , because then you have to ask why cows have teeth, why rabbits have teeth , why horses have teeth - are they all meant to eat meat? Perhaps someone should tell them all those years of eating only plants have left them stunted and weak - but that seems improbable as horses and cows are hardly small , weak animals are they? If you look a bit deeper Norwood and look at the TYPE of teeth herbivores and carnivores have you will find they are VERY different , with good reason , flat teeth in a siddeways moving jaw are designed for chewing/grinding plant material , sharp canine teeth in a jaw that clamps down is designed for ripping and tearing of flesh- guess which type of teeth you have?
There are at least 5 or 6 other anatomical / physiological characteristics that prove were defintely aren't evolved to eat meat , at least not as out primary food source- but if you still don't believe me then please tell me why i'm not dead as i haven't touched a shred of meat since 1983 and feel just fine , thanks, in fact a lot more fine than a lot of people i know who do eat a lot of meat- answers on a postcard please?
uvox44
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10:55am Tue 2 Oct 12
Boredofthiscountry
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10:57am Tue 2 Oct 12
The Liberal wrote:So you think it's just Asda that it takes that long from, go to any shop for a refund and it takes several working days for the money to go back to your account, not just Asda!
Why on earth, with today's technology, does it take two days to reimburse her? Either Asda or the bank is profiting from this delay.
canfordcherry
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10:59am Tue 2 Oct 12
canfordcherry
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11:03am Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:It's something you obviously feel very strongly about and are well informed on the matter. Good luck on tempting people to become meat free.
ok thanks for the replies norwood and co- the first point about iron- where do you think the animals you eat (ie herbivores like cows ) get their iron - same place as I do , from the ground via the plants that grow in it, dark green vegetables are full of iron .
Point two - the idea that having teeth proves were are meant to eat meat is actually quite funny , because then you have to ask why cows have teeth, why rabbits have teeth , why horses have teeth - are they all meant to eat meat? Perhaps someone should tell them all those years of eating only plants have left them stunted and weak - but that seems improbable as horses and cows are hardly small , weak animals are they? If you look a bit deeper Norwood and look at the TYPE of teeth herbivores and carnivores have you will find they are VERY different , with good reason , flat teeth in a siddeways moving jaw are designed for chewing/grinding plant material , sharp canine teeth in a jaw that clamps down is designed for ripping and tearing of flesh- guess which type of teeth you have?
There are at least 5 or 6 other anatomical / physiological characteristics that prove were defintely aren't evolved to eat meat , at least not as out primary food source- but if you still don't believe me then please tell me why i'm not dead as i haven't touched a shred of meat since 1983 and feel just fine , thanks, in fact a lot more fine than a lot of people i know who do eat a lot of meat- answers on a postcard please?
HRH of Boscombe
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11:06am Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:It's actually very dependent on your blood group. I think A is a vegi blood group but a vegitarian diet is unhealthy for hunter/gatherer groups.
and as for asking any doctor , i think you will find even the most old fashioned doctor would at the very least advise cutting back on the amount of meat eaten(especially red meat) - but if you have an open mind on this subject please do yourself a favour and look at the work of Neal Barnard - he has studied the health advantages of not eating animal products (and there are many) in great depth- on and yes , he is a medical doctor...
BarrHumbug
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11:09am Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:Why don't you just get over it and go hug a tree!
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
What is it with Vegetarians and their compulsion to shout from the rooftops their dietary choices?
If being a vegetarian makes you so bitter and angry perhaps you should think about giving it up?
Mr N James
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11:17am Tue 2 Oct 12
BmthNewshound
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11:24am Tue 2 Oct 12
Pounder wrote:You'd have thought so. These self service tills are very unreliable, a couple of times in Tesco is the Square I've been short changed when paying by cash, only be a few pence but as Tesco say Every Little Helps.
Surely if someone is taking over £500 worth of goods to the self-checkout it should be flagged anyway?
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I'm sure Nathan's mother is probably feeling more than a little stupid for not noticing this glaring error before entering her PIN number and isn't too happy that her son has brought this to the attention of the public at large.
Mudefordman
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11:27am Tue 2 Oct 12
Arthur Maureen
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11:30am Tue 2 Oct 12
grazzer
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11:33am Tue 2 Oct 12
lncidentally,with prices like this it is a wonder that the poor woman can make ends meat.
uvox44
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11:44am Tue 2 Oct 12
Barrhumbug- far from being bitter i am very happy as a person , thanks - i just don't like seeing unnecessary suffering,sorry if that offends you. As this a discussion forum i don't find it inappropriate to put forward my views on things-again sorry if that offends you. Maybe you are the bitter one - you certainly seem to have a lot of hostility from the general tone of your post.
Telscombe Cliffy
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12:05pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Old Harry
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12:07pm Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:Well said uvox44. I wish there were more like you.
that,s an interesting idea HRH- are there any links to research on this please? Barrhumbug- far from being bitter i am very happy as a person , thanks - i just don't like seeing unnecessary suffering,sorry if that offends you. As this a discussion forum i don't find it inappropriate to put forward my views on things-again sorry if that offends you. Maybe you are the bitter one - you certainly seem to have a lot of hostility from the general tone of your post.
stubrit2
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12:14pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Morrigan
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12:16pm Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:Proof that humans are designed to eat meat is in the form of our teeth and jawbone - not the fact that we *have* teeth!
ok thanks for the replies norwood and co- the first point about iron- where do you think the animals you eat (ie herbivores like cows ) get their iron - same place as I do , from the ground via the plants that grow in it, dark green vegetables are full of iron .
Point two - the idea that having teeth proves were are meant to eat meat is actually quite funny , because then you have to ask why cows have teeth, why rabbits have teeth , why horses have teeth - are they all meant to eat meat? Perhaps someone should tell them all those years of eating only plants have left them stunted and weak - but that seems improbable as horses and cows are hardly small , weak animals are they? If you look a bit deeper Norwood and look at the TYPE of teeth herbivores and carnivores have you will find they are VERY different , with good reason , flat teeth in a siddeways moving jaw are designed for chewing/grinding plant material , sharp canine teeth in a jaw that clamps down is designed for ripping and tearing of flesh- guess which type of teeth you have?
There are at least 5 or 6 other anatomical / physiological characteristics that prove were defintely aren't evolved to eat meat , at least not as out primary food source- but if you still don't believe me then please tell me why i'm not dead as i haven't touched a shred of meat since 1983 and feel just fine , thanks, in fact a lot more fine than a lot of people i know who do eat a lot of meat- answers on a postcard please?
Human jawbones, as in any carnivorous animal, have strong muscles at the side of the jaw, which helps when biting down on meat fibres and tearing meat from the bones - likewise the canine teeth at the sides which are pointed.
Herbivores such as cows, horses, elephants etc, all have regular shaped flat teeth - not teeth of different shapes with a mixture of both flat and pointed teeth, as we humans do.
Dogs, wolves, sharks etc all have pointed teeth to rip meat from bones and no not naturally eat a diet of vegetation alone, so I think you will find - like it or not - that we *have* evolved to eat meat ...... although I feel even the strongest advocate of eating meat would baulk at the price of pork chops these days lol
Bonjovigirl
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12:25pm Tue 2 Oct 12
MisterE
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12:26pm Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:Hmm... just a shame they're so darn tasty! Bacon sarnie here I come - yum yum!
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
norwood70
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12:28pm Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:The bottom line is that animals eat other animals and as long as there's life on this planet that's how it's always gonna be!! Get over it woman, go and eat your lentils and carrots
ok thanks for the replies norwood and co- the first point about iron- where do you think the animals you eat (ie herbivores like cows ) get their iron - same place as I do , from the ground via the plants that grow in it, dark green vegetables are full of iron . Point two - the idea that having teeth proves were are meant to eat meat is actually quite funny , because then you have to ask why cows have teeth, why rabbits have teeth , why horses have teeth - are they all meant to eat meat? Perhaps someone should tell them all those years of eating only plants have left them stunted and weak - but that seems improbable as horses and cows are hardly small , weak animals are they? If you look a bit deeper Norwood and look at the TYPE of teeth herbivores and carnivores have you will find they are VERY different , with good reason , flat teeth in a siddeways moving jaw are designed for chewing/grinding plant material , sharp canine teeth in a jaw that clamps down is designed for ripping and tearing of flesh- guess which type of teeth you have? There are at least 5 or 6 other anatomical / physiological characteristics that prove were defintely aren't evolved to eat meat , at least not as out primary food source- but if you still don't believe me then please tell me why i'm not dead as i haven't touched a shred of meat since 1983 and feel just fine , thanks, in fact a lot more fine than a lot of people i know who do eat a lot of meat- answers on a postcard please?
Imaximus
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12:31pm Tue 2 Oct 12
bmthlad69
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12:38pm Tue 2 Oct 12
MisterE wrote:Yep all this talk about meat makes me very hungry.
uvox44 wrote:Hmm... just a shame they're so darn tasty! Bacon sarnie here I come - yum yum!
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
I'm off for a bacon sarnie as well
norwood70
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12:59pm Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:The fact is animals eat other animals. Animals that are farmed and killed for food are on the large part well kept and killed in a humane fashion. If they were in the wild they would struggle to keep themselves nourished and many would be ripped to shreds by other animals for food! Do you think a fox would take the time to make sure a chicken dies peacefully before it eats it?? If anything an animal has the prospect of a better life on a farm than to fend for itself!!
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
BarrHumbug
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1:11pm Tue 2 Oct 12
I have no problem with anybody's views, opinions, religious beliefs, whatever. But when someone takes a completely unrelated story, or certainly one with a very tenuous link, remember this was about an incorrectly priced barcode, out of the hundreds of thousands of products in Asda's it just happened to be a pork chop, and twists it around to suit their beliefs and then preach about it, then yes, to be honest it does offend me.
If your happy being a vegetarian then i'm happy for you but please don't chastise everyone else just because they haven't made the same dietary choices as you.
robsmith123
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1:26pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Imaximus
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1:27pm Tue 2 Oct 12
penhale
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1:40pm Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:And so are your constant ramblings.
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
penhale
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1:44pm Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:I read somewhere that eating meat heightens intelligence, obviously you don't eat meat.
that,s an interesting idea HRH- are there any links to research on this please?
Barrhumbug- far from being bitter i am very happy as a person , thanks - i just don't like seeing unnecessary suffering,sorry if that offends you. As this a discussion forum i don't find it inappropriate to put forward my views on things-again sorry if that offends you. Maybe you are the bitter one - you certainly seem to have a lot of hostility from the general tone of your post.
bmthlad69
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1:59pm Tue 2 Oct 12
BarrHumbug wrote:Totally agree with this post.
@ uvox44 - As grazzer pointed out, these comments started out talking about the reported story, that was until you pulled out your soapbox and started preaching your views and that's exactly my problem, preaching.
I have no problem with anybody's views, opinions, religious beliefs, whatever. But when someone takes a completely unrelated story, or certainly one with a very tenuous link, remember this was about an incorrectly priced barcode, out of the hundreds of thousands of products in Asda's it just happened to be a pork chop, and twists it around to suit their beliefs and then preach about it, then yes, to be honest it does offend me.
If your happy being a vegetarian then i'm happy for you but please don't chastise everyone else just because they haven't made the same dietary choices as you.
Can't stand people trying to preach there beliefs on to others. Let people make there own decisions without you attempting to make people feel guilty about eating things you don't agree with.
uvox44
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2:17pm Tue 2 Oct 12
stubrit2
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3:05pm Tue 2 Oct 12
BarrHumbug
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3:08pm Tue 2 Oct 12
This article had nothing whatsoever to do with vegetarians or meat eaters, but you jumped at the opportunity to strongly express your views despite the fact they had nothing to do with or contribute anything remotely relating to the article, that is why I regard your comments as "PREACHING"
I really think your insulting your own intelligence if you think your original comment was "putting forward a viewpoint for discussion" and you have now moved on to the assumption that all meat eaters are stupid and guilty?
Despite you own self proclaimed intelligence, let me help you with the Oxford English Dictionary definition of "Preaching"
"Preaching" - give moral advice to someone in a pompously self-righteous way.
Now go back and have a look at your original comment and see if you can see the glaring similarities?
I'm tired of you now so I won't be replying again so you'll probably think you've won some sort of moral victory for vegetarians, I honestly really couldn't give a monkeys.
stubrit2
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3:25pm Tue 2 Oct 12
raynad
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3:27pm Tue 2 Oct 12
bmthlad69 wrote:Just had a pork pie with English mustard, cracking!
MisterE wrote:Yep all this talk about meat makes me very hungry.
uvox44 wrote:Hmm... just a shame they're so darn tasty! Bacon sarnie here I come - yum yum!
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
I'm off for a bacon sarnie as well
penhale
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3:31pm Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:There are those on here who preach the pitfalls of driving cars, there are those who hate wind farms, tree huggers preach about how we are all dammed because of the environment being damaged by our actions, tree huggers want wind farms but not on there own doorstep, all of the above and more are quite often labeled as nutters, your ranting and preaching really confirm that belief.
hmmm interesting that when you don't agree with what someone posts then they are "PREACHING" but no doubt if they are posting something you agree with then that would be ok. I am merely putting forward a viewpoint for discussion but it seems to have touched a few nerves for sure - wonder why that is - guilt i expect. Of course we are all free to eat what we like but at least have the intelligence to think about where your food comes from and the true cost of it . A special note for Penhale (because he/she is after all very special, in some many ways) - just for the record I am educated to degree level, not that i set much store by formal qualifications anyway
You say you are educated to degree level, I find that hard to believe, the art of annoying people.
uvox44
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4:09pm Tue 2 Oct 12
stubrit2
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4:14pm Tue 2 Oct 12
penhale wrote:Since when was being educated to degree level proof of intelligence anyway? It just means you good academically, and most likely had some decent teachers and supportive parents. Nothing more. For the record, I have a degree in modern languages, and a PGCE. And 2 Grade 8 music exams. I don't think that's proof I'm intelligent though. That comes from what you think, say and do.
uvox44 wrote:There are those on here who preach the pitfalls of driving cars, there are those who hate wind farms, tree huggers preach about how we are all dammed because of the environment being damaged by our actions, tree huggers want wind farms but not on there own doorstep, all of the above and more are quite often labeled as nutters, your ranting and preaching really confirm that belief.
hmmm interesting that when you don't agree with what someone posts then they are "PREACHING" but no doubt if they are posting something you agree with then that would be ok. I am merely putting forward a viewpoint for discussion but it seems to have touched a few nerves for sure - wonder why that is - guilt i expect. Of course we are all free to eat what we like but at least have the intelligence to think about where your food comes from and the true cost of it . A special note for Penhale (because he/she is after all very special, in some many ways) - just for the record I am educated to degree level, not that i set much store by formal qualifications anyway
You say you are educated to degree level, I find that hard to believe, the art of annoying people.
ranger_bob
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4:15pm Tue 2 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:uvox44 has the right to express his/her opinion on an open forum ad for once I find myself in agreement. Animals do have rights, the main one being the right to be tasty!
that,s an interesting idea HRH- are there any links to research on this please?
Barrhumbug- far from being bitter i am very happy as a person , thanks - i just don't like seeing unnecessary suffering,sorry if that offends you. As this a discussion forum i don't find it inappropriate to put forward my views on things-again sorry if that offends you. Maybe you are the bitter one - you certainly seem to have a lot of hostility from the general tone of your post.
uvox44
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4:19pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Telscombe Cliffy
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4:54pm Tue 2 Oct 12
KatieBrook
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4:56pm Tue 2 Oct 12
ragj195
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5:05pm Tue 2 Oct 12
stubrit2 wrote:I'm not a vegetarian but I did study animal physiology when I went to uni. Our so called "canines" are that by name only. Techincally they aren't canines and aren't designed for ripping meat. This is fairly obviouse when you compare them to true canines in other carnivorous mammals. There's barely any similarity. They are however very similar to the teeth found in small fruit eating primates. As is the very small mouth we have in proportion to our hea. Along with the inability to open our mouths very wide, once again, very similar to fruit eating primates.
Right. I have no problem with people being vegetarians if that's what they want to be. However, when you try to tell other people they're morally wrong, then I have a problem, especially when you're argument is quite frankly wrong. Animals are not either herbivores or carnivores. There's also such a thing as an omnivore (bears and pigs come to mind), which is what humans are. Yes we have lovely flat teeth for grinding plant matter etc. but we also have sharp teeth for ripping meat (or do you not have canines like the rest of us?), so let's put the "eating meat is unnatural" argument to bed shall we? I would think it's healthier to not eat meat, than to not eat veg but that doesn't mean that not eating meat is healthier than eating meat. Whatever diet people choose is up to them, but please, don't try and insist that "meat is murder" or that "vegetarians are mad hippies". Let's just respect each other choices and move along.
There's a number of other physiological reasons I can't be bothered to list. So if you think we're designed to eat meat, look in the mirror and take a look at your mouth. What do you see? A mouth like a lion, wolf, etc, or a little berry eating monkey :-).
poolebob
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5:30pm Tue 2 Oct 12
The article was about someone paying over £500 for two pork chops.
I has been highjacked by someone trying to promote their particular view point.
If you want to debate the merits or otherwise of eating meat then go elsewhere.
JJMcClure
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5:42pm Tue 2 Oct 12
djd
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5:44pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Anyone who doesn't check the total before entering their PIN asks for trouble.
Most credit card companies take at least two as to credit a refund to an account.
alasdair1967
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5:51pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Imaximus wrote:I actually blame the cyclists who still insist on using the public highway when there is a cycle path provided along the very side of that public highway for them to use
I eat meat...and I eat veggies....Once i even ate a lego head but i was only 4 then....how did this meat v veg debate start? I shall blame the imax and dog walkers for this poor ladies plight....Oh hang on....its her fault for not reading the display. *yawns
Capricorn 1
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5:54pm Tue 2 Oct 12
That to me is more of an issue than this ridiculous argument about eating habits.
ranger_bob
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6:01pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Can someone please tell me where the news is in this story?
Bournefre
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6:18pm Tue 2 Oct 12
The Liberal wrote:I agree - how on earth can something like this happen in this day and age?
Why on earth, with today's technology, does it take two days to reimburse her? Either Asda or the bank is profiting from this delay.
I'm never going to fly with Ryanair again!
Miss Opinionated
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6:33pm Tue 2 Oct 12
norwood70 wrote:You are all missing the point, it doesn't mattet how we evolved to eat... it is healthier to eat a diet animal free, especially with the way animals are factory farmed with chemicals and antibiotics but a vegetarian diet is about a moral choice. You may have the capacity to eat meat, sure it tastes great BUT a meat based diet is responsible for the suffering of BILLIONS of SENTIENT creatures that are at least as intelligent as children (in the case of pigs). Would you feel ok about eating a three year old child just because it tastes nice and your teeth can cope? Eating an animal that has no voice and you can't understand their screams is no different, you just choose to see it differently so you can carry on with out the guilt. It's a normal response. But Humans have the capacity to reason and moralise and should see that there is no justification for causing suffering for your own gratification. te reason Vegetarians are vocal about it is because someone has to be. While the majority accept this genocide as acceptable it will continue. As meat eaters cause pain and suffering and distress it is a moral obligation of ours to fight for the innocent animals where ever we can, by whatever menas we can. if that offends you. Tough.
uvox44 wrote:The fact is animals eat other animals. Animals that are farmed and killed for food are on the large part well kept and killed in a humane fashion. If they were in the wild they would struggle to keep themselves nourished and many would be ripped to shreds by other animals for food! Do you think a fox would take the time to make sure a chicken dies peacefully before it eats it?? If anything an animal has the prospect of a better life on a farm than to fend for itself!!
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
fabgeorgie
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6:54pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Adrian XX
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6:54pm Tue 2 Oct 12
On the issue of vegetarianism - has there been a single randomised controlled trial showing that red-meat (or any meat) eaters are less healthy? No.
There have only been epidemiological studies, often much-reported in the popular press. The point is that in all these studies, subjects are self-selecting: they decide to eat meat. Such studies are based on questionnaires and are often very poorly designed. Did the researchers adequately control for smoking, weight, exercise, attitude to health generally, type of red meat (did they lump together those who eat fray-bentos meat pies with those who only eat fresh meat?), cooking method and a multitude of other factors? Even a good-quality epidemiological study can only prove association, never cause.
Some meat eaters are disgustingly unhealthy, but so are some vegetarians.
I don't trust Neal Barnard: he is a psychiatrist who works for and is heavily involved with PETA. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is just a front for PETA to try to make them sound more credible. They are involved in promoting some highly dubious research - some people might be interested to read this article: http://bit.ly/PDzEzQ which details one example of a very poor study.
Finally, I would say that it quite possibly to eat meat without causing any animal suffering at all. In fact, most free-range pigs, sheep and cattle suffer very little. They would not exist if it were not for human food production, so I don't see anything wrong with breeding them and killing them instantly for food.
ragj195
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6:59pm Tue 2 Oct 12
This debate is much more interesting that the stupid article about an EPOS error.
penhale
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7:23pm Tue 2 Oct 12
We all know that certain thing we do are bad for us but we do them anyway, smoking, drinking, driving, mountain climbing, horse riding, going to Afghanistan, all highly dangerous to our health but we choose to do them so keep your preaching to yourselves, it's not needed, we already know the pitfalls of what we do in every day life and we do not need to be preached at by do gooders every day of the week, now I'm off for a lovely bacon sarnie followed by a Benson & Hedges and perhaps a pint of larger and to top it off maybe a 90mph drive up the spur road to get a few speed cameras working, there, that should bring a load more preachers out tonight.
Adrian XX
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7:34pm Tue 2 Oct 12
You only have to compare cancer rates between meat eating countries in the western world to those in 3rd world countries where meat is often too expensive to eat and the figures are scary.
Cancer rates are just one indicator of health and meat consumption is just one among very many differences between the first and third worlds. You cannot draw any meaningful conclusion about the health effects of meat from those sorts of statistics. If you look at tables of life-expectancy (for example the one on wikipedia), you will notice that nearly all the European countries are near the top, but again, these tables prove nothing about meat-eating or otherwise.
Many things cause cancer. For example, primary liver cancer is an extremely common cancer worldwide and is far more common in the third world due to the much higher prevalence of hepatitis B and C. Once you have filtered out every other known cause of cancer would you arrive at some useful conclusion about meat?
EGHH
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7:53pm Tue 2 Oct 12
BTW I saw a train fare on-line for £325 which should have been £25. But I didn't think of reporting to the Echo as I knew it was a mistake and the website soon corrected the typo.
Perhaps I should have done and got my 15 minutes of fame!!
scoooobles
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8:10pm Tue 2 Oct 12
penhale wrote:OMG stop preaching about preaching! Preacher!
A story about a shopper overpaying on her bill has been hijacked once again by preachers of doom.
We all know that certain thing we do are bad for us but we do them anyway, smoking, drinking, driving, mountain climbing, horse riding, going to Afghanistan, all highly dangerous to our health but we choose to do them so keep your preaching to yourselves, it's not needed, we already know the pitfalls of what we do in every day life and we do not need to be preached at by do gooders every day of the week, now I'm off for a lovely bacon sarnie followed by a Benson & Hedges and perhaps a pint of larger and to top it off maybe a 90mph drive up the spur road to get a few speed cameras working, there, that should bring a load more preachers out tonight.
Miss Opinionated
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8:18pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Adrian XX wrote:they don't die instantly. They suffer. They get scared, cows have even been known to cry.
I support uvox44 though I do not agree with him.
On the issue of vegetarianism - has there been a single randomised controlled trial showing that red-meat (or any meat) eaters are less healthy? No.
There have only been epidemiological studies, often much-reported in the popular press. The point is that in all these studies, subjects are self-selecting: they decide to eat meat. Such studies are based on questionnaires and are often very poorly designed. Did the researchers adequately control for smoking, weight, exercise, attitude to health generally, type of red meat (did they lump together those who eat fray-bentos meat pies with those who only eat fresh meat?), cooking method and a multitude of other factors? Even a good-quality epidemiological study can only prove association, never cause.
Some meat eaters are disgustingly unhealthy, but so are some vegetarians.
I don't trust Neal Barnard: he is a psychiatrist who works for and is heavily involved with PETA. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is just a front for PETA to try to make them sound more credible. They are involved in promoting some highly dubious research - some people might be interested to read this article: http://bit.ly/PDzEzQ which details one example of a very poor study.
Finally, I would say that it quite possibly to eat meat without causing any animal suffering at all. In fact, most free-range pigs, sheep and cattle suffer very little. They would not exist if it were not for human food production, so I don't see anything wrong with breeding them and killing them instantly for food.
Chickens are dragged through electrified water upside down, which may or may not stun them. Some sows, sheep and pigs have been known to be butchered still alive. They are suspended by one leg, on a chain , upside down (think of the weight of a cow) and left to bleed out. All this and more is considered acceptable. Don't get me started on live transport or the myth of 'freedom farms'. The majority of your meat comes from intense factory farming. Millions upon millions of animals who never see the light of day or feel the breeze on their face. Instead they are confined to concrete cells where they cannot turn around or lie down. Go google it. Learn about the practices that supply supermarkets with 'cheap meat'. Think about the SENTIENCE of these creatures. Cows have friends, pigs like to huddle and play football. Then decide, with all the relevant facts if your greed is still worth more than their life.
I suspect for may it will be, humans skill at denial and selfishness in unlimited.
Boredofthiscountry
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8:28pm Tue 2 Oct 12
KatieBrook wrote:So if you're an Asda person you must be a bit thick? is that what you're saying, I'm guessing most Asda people would be able to write a sentence properly, " An Asda person, not a Asda person"! Waitrose MADE a mistake with your card, not did a mistake, £60 was taken by mistake, not were taken! See not all thick!
Waitrose did a mistake with my card in Parkstone and 60 pounds were taken by mistake and phoned me and then gave me a 100 Pounds - Asda Cheap as always . By the way this sort of story is why i dont buy papers now ! Some **** goes along to the local paper and then its printed ! He looks like a Asda person as well !! Bit Thick i expect
sc61
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8:52pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Bournefre wrote:Not with that £2.50 drop-off charge anyway!¬
The Liberal wrote:I agree - how on earth can something like this happen in this day and age?
Why on earth, with today's technology, does it take two days to reimburse her? Either Asda or the bank is profiting from this delay.
I'm never going to fly with Ryanair again!
BIGTONE
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9:46pm Tue 2 Oct 12
loopymoo
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10:06pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Darzet Dumpling
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10:30pm Tue 2 Oct 12
loopymoo wrote:Not to mention she could see the price of the chops had been reduced. ;-)
Funny how she left her reading glasses at home so couldn't see the balance amount on the til (which is rather large), but somehow managed to notice the error on her receipt which is in much smaller writing........
Adrian XX
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10:45pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Miss Opinionated wrote:I said that it is possible to farm without causing suffering. I did not claim that is always the case (in fact I didn't claim it was ever the case). Since I personally don't believe animals are sentient (at least not in the way humans are), I don't actually care where the meat I eat comes from.
Adrian XX wrote:they don't die instantly. They suffer. They get scared, cows have even been known to cry.
I support uvox44 though I do not agree with him.
On the issue of vegetarianism - has there been a single randomised controlled trial showing that red-meat (or any meat) eaters are less healthy? No.
There have only been epidemiological studies, often much-reported in the popular press. The point is that in all these studies, subjects are self-selecting: they decide to eat meat. Such studies are based on questionnaires and are often very poorly designed. Did the researchers adequately control for smoking, weight, exercise, attitude to health generally, type of red meat (did they lump together those who eat fray-bentos meat pies with those who only eat fresh meat?), cooking method and a multitude of other factors? Even a good-quality epidemiological study can only prove association, never cause.
Some meat eaters are disgustingly unhealthy, but so are some vegetarians.
I don't trust Neal Barnard: he is a psychiatrist who works for and is heavily involved with PETA. The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is just a front for PETA to try to make them sound more credible. They are involved in promoting some highly dubious research - some people might be interested to read this article: http://bit.ly/PDzEzQ which details one example of a very poor study.
Finally, I would say that it quite possibly to eat meat without causing any animal suffering at all. In fact, most free-range pigs, sheep and cattle suffer very little. They would not exist if it were not for human food production, so I don't see anything wrong with breeding them and killing them instantly for food.
Chickens are dragged through electrified water upside down, which may or may not stun them. Some sows, sheep and pigs have been known to be butchered still alive. They are suspended by one leg, on a chain , upside down (think of the weight of a cow) and left to bleed out. All this and more is considered acceptable. Don't get me started on live transport or the myth of 'freedom farms'. The majority of your meat comes from intense factory farming. Millions upon millions of animals who never see the light of day or feel the breeze on their face. Instead they are confined to concrete cells where they cannot turn around or lie down. Go google it. Learn about the practices that supply supermarkets with 'cheap meat'. Think about the SENTIENCE of these creatures. Cows have friends, pigs like to huddle and play football. Then decide, with all the relevant facts if your greed is still worth more than their life.
I suspect for may it will be, humans skill at denial and selfishness in unlimited.
Stating that "cows have friends and pigs like to huddle and play football" is just pure anthropomorphic fantasy which it is impossible to infer from their behaviour.
There is nothing greedy about eating meat - there is no value in life per se. If there were, then the only valid action to take would be to try to end all carnivorous behaviour in all species, or even to go as far as to terminate small numbers of carnivores to save their prey from being terminated.
Miss Opinionated
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11:38pm Tue 2 Oct 12
ntisfree/2011/jul/07
/cows-best-friends
Just one of many easily accesible articles explaining animal behaviour. And just because you 'don't believe animals are sentient' doesn't mean it's not true. As I said, do your own research. There is a wealth of evidence that animals are intelligent, feel pain and experience emotions in EXACTLY the same way as humans. We evolved the same way after all, it would be arrogant to assume they respond to external stimuli in a different manner. To claim that would almost be like making them inferior to us to justify their use and abuse... Oh wait....
Where we are different animals is our capacity to reason and make informed choices rather than just respond to events with no thought involved. In light of that, it is interesting to note that in experiments, many monkeys chose to starve to death rather than inflict pain on fellow monkeys, even strangers. Humans on the other hand, pressed a button even when they believed they person on the receiving end may die. For no reward and under no threat. Just because they were told to.
Life, per se, may have no intrinsic value but it is a responsibility of being alive, if you have a choice, to minimise and eliminate the suffering of those around you. For me that includes animals. I understand that people have a choice, what frustrates me is the refusal to exercise intelligence and compassion. Open your eyes, see how much better off we would all be if our lives were not based around violence, cruelty and murder.
s-pb2
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11:39pm Tue 2 Oct 12
Boredofthiscountry wrote:The problem with us British is that we are nt much good at complaining. You can get your money back quickly, you just have to complain to the right person, but do it politely and assertively. You will always get your money back. Sometimes some managers get in such a fluster that they end up refunding you more than you paid for in the first place.
The Liberal wrote:So you think it's just Asda that it takes that long from, go to any shop for a refund and it takes several working days for the money to go back to your account, not just Asda!
Why on earth, with today's technology, does it take two days to reimburse her? Either Asda or the bank is profiting from this delay.
As for the veggie argument. I cant be bothered to read any of it, its so dull.
Phixer
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6:02am Wed 3 Oct 12
thesouthend
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7:01am Wed 3 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:The Guardian is on the top shelf, next to the Gay Times love.
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
TheDistrict
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9:04am Wed 3 Oct 12
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Healthier eating by being a vegetarian might be the answer for some but to use a non relevent story to air ones views, and to force vegetarianism onto others is very wrong.
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Vegetrianism is dangerous, specially if a carrot is placed somewhere other than the normal entrance......lol
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fifty shades of brown envelopes
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9:09am Wed 3 Oct 12
TheDistrict wrote:You are not funny
Once again I read this story with some interest as it happened to me sometime ago, but was sorted immediately. What has it a nerve is the comments from uvox44, which has already been pointed out, has nothing to do with the story. (I wonder what comments he or she would have had it been a bottle of washing up liquid).
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Healthier eating by being a vegetarian might be the answer for some but to use a non relevent story to air ones views, and to force vegetarianism onto others is very wrong.
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Vegetrianism is dangerous, specially if a carrot is placed somewhere other than the normal entrance......lol
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Discusting post
Sums you up
I will report this post later.
fifty shades of brown envelopes
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9:14am Wed 3 Oct 12
pete woodley
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9:33am Wed 3 Oct 12
fifty shades of brown envelopes wrote:Report.what for.
TheDistrict wrote:You are not funny
Once again I read this story with some interest as it happened to me sometime ago, but was sorted immediately. What has it a nerve is the comments from uvox44, which has already been pointed out, has nothing to do with the story. (I wonder what comments he or she would have had it been a bottle of washing up liquid).
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Healthier eating by being a vegetarian might be the answer for some but to use a non relevent story to air ones views, and to force vegetarianism onto others is very wrong.
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Vegetrianism is dangerous, specially if a carrot is placed somewhere other than the normal entrance......lol
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Discusting post
Sums you up
I will report this post later.
scrumpyjack
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9:39am Wed 3 Oct 12
Boredofthiscountry wrote:I know; the irony was not lost on me either.
KatieBrook wrote:So if you're an Asda person you must be a bit thick? is that what you're saying, I'm guessing most Asda people would be able to write a sentence properly, " An Asda person, not a Asda person"! Waitrose MADE a mistake with your card, not did a mistake, £60 was taken by mistake, not were taken! See not all thick!
Waitrose did a mistake with my card in Parkstone and 60 pounds were taken by mistake and phoned me and then gave me a 100 Pounds - Asda Cheap as always . By the way this sort of story is why i dont buy papers now ! Some **** goes along to the local paper and then its printed ! He looks like a Asda person as well !! Bit Thick i expect
uvox44
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9:46am Wed 3 Oct 12
l benefits of veganism on the web- don't let the myths and half-truths promoted by the meat and dairy industry put you off - as for the children on here , please feel free to carry on posting your dull insults but be aware you are probably only succeeding in showing yourselves up....and have a good, compassionate life everyone else..
HRH of Boscombe
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9:56am Wed 3 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:You should really learn to use Google. It's quite easy.
that,s an interesting idea HRH- are there any links to research on this please? Barrhumbug- far from being bitter i am very happy as a person , thanks - i just don't like seeing unnecessary suffering,sorry if that offends you. As this a discussion forum i don't find it inappropriate to put forward my views on things-again sorry if that offends you. Maybe you are the bitter one - you certainly seem to have a lot of hostility from the general tone of your post.
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There are many links that support it. Anyway I think this guy had the original theory. http://www.dadamo.co
m/program.htm
uvox44
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10:12am Wed 3 Oct 12
uvox44
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10:29am Wed 3 Oct 12
What do the experts say?
Medical experts universally agree that the theory is nonsense, and say there is absolutely no link between our blood group and the diet we eat. Consequently you won’t find qualified nutritionists or dietitians recommending this diet.
There are also several concerns, namely that the diets recommended for blood groups O and A are considerably limited and cut out major groups of foods.
In the long term, this can result in a poor intake of nutrients needed for good health. Cutting out dairy products, for example, will lead to poor intakes of calcium, which can put you at risk of osteoporosis (brittle bone disease), while avoiding meat can result in low intakes of iron, which can lead to anaemia. This is even more worrying in view of the fact that most people in the UK are blood group O or A.
Before i'm accused of selecting stuff to support veganism please note that it doesn't do that!
hrryseccombe
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10:31am Wed 3 Oct 12
Bournemouthfan2
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10:35am Wed 3 Oct 12
Asda unfortunately made the pricing mistake but equally this lady was to blame by accepting and authorising the transaction, regardless of how bad her eyesight is. She managed to do her shopping unaided and noticed the price listed on the chops so it cannot have been so bad that she could not have seen the till display or the pin pad.
As others have said Asda have apologised and refunded the amount, I do not see they have to offer anything else, as there is error on both sides.
I am guessing this lady knows this and does not want to make a fuss over the issue, it seems it is her son who wants a bit of publicity for the non story.
I expect he is probably trying to shame Asda into offering compensation. But the only thing it has done is to remind people that they have equal responsibility to check an amount is correct before authorising a purchase by entering their pin number.
BarrHumbug
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10:58am Wed 3 Oct 12
To be honest nowadays newspapers expect the public to write their stories for them, every other page is splashed with "Have you got a story to tell us?" Its no wonder they are full of these sorts of non-news articles.
elite50
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11:28am Wed 3 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:Haven't you heard the screams coming from carrotts, turnips etc. when they are ripped from their earth mother's womb?
that,s an interesting idea HRH- are there any links to research on this please?
Barrhumbug- far from being bitter i am very happy as a person , thanks - i just don't like seeing unnecessary suffering,sorry if that offends you. As this a discussion forum i don't find it inappropriate to put forward my views on things-again sorry if that offends you. Maybe you are the bitter one - you certainly seem to have a lot of hostility from the general tone of your post.
You are obviously a cruel callous individual!
hammer
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11:57am Wed 3 Oct 12
Adrian XX
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12:28pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Miss Opinionated wrote:I think anyone reading the article in The Guardian can see that "best friends" is just a bit of artistic license. The experiment referred to in the article measured a physiological parameter (heart rate) when cows were isolated or with other cows. The number of experiments that have ever been performed that measured a cows emotions are ZERO.
http://www. guardian.co.uk/comme
ntisfree/2011/jul/07
/cows-best-friends
Just one of many easily accesible articles explaining animal behaviour. And just because you 'don't believe animals are sentient' doesn't mean it's not true. As I said, do your own research. There is a wealth of evidence that animals are intelligent, feel pain and experience emotions in EXACTLY the same way as humans. We evolved the same way after all, it would be arrogant to assume they respond to external stimuli in a different manner. To claim that would almost be like making them inferior to us to justify their use and abuse... Oh wait....
Where we are different animals is our capacity to reason and make informed choices rather than just respond to events with no thought involved. In light of that, it is interesting to note that in experiments, many monkeys chose to starve to death rather than inflict pain on fellow monkeys, even strangers. Humans on the other hand, pressed a button even when they believed they person on the receiving end may die. For no reward and under no threat. Just because they were told to.
Life, per se, may have no intrinsic value but it is a responsibility of being alive, if you have a choice, to minimise and eliminate the suffering of those around you. For me that includes animals. I understand that people have a choice, what frustrates me is the refusal to exercise intelligence and compassion. Open your eyes, see how much better off we would all be if our lives were not based around violence, cruelty and murder.
It is just untrue and a desperate cry from the vegan movement that "There is a wealth of evidence that animals are intelligent, feel pain and experience emotions in EXACTLY the same way as humans.". There simply is not. Find one single experiment anywhere that measures animal emotions rather than a physiological parameter.
And in any case it is ridiculous to say "animals are intelligent". Those in the vegan movement are likely to have a wildly different definition of intelligence to those who are happy to eat animals. Can animals understand quantum physics? No. So therefore, according to my definition, they are not intelligent. And if animals are intelligent in "exactly the same way as humans" as you state, we would expect to find some really dumb ones and some really intelligent ones. You can't say that they are all intelligent just like you can't say all humans are intelligent.
If you are referring to the Milgram Experiment: it doesn't really prove anything if you know you are in the experiment. And you are being highly selective in your data if you suggest that animals never harm their own kind. It is well-known that polar bears eat their own cubs if hungry and even chimpanzees practice infanticide and consumed the flesh of those killed: http://bit.ly/OCUkty Modern humans do not eat children.
The lives of meat eaters are not based on "violence, cruelty and murder" since we do not see those things as applying to animals. (There are some who see cruelty as applying to animals, but none who see killing an animal for food as violence or murder).
Adrian XX
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12:33pm Wed 3 Oct 12
don't let the myths and half-truths promoted by the meat and dairy industry put you off
All groups are capable of myths and half-truths. Neal Barnard and his PETA friends are no exception. http://bit.ly/PDzEzQ
hammer
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4:00pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Dorset Logic
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5:10pm Wed 3 Oct 12
We laugh about it now.
BarrHumbug
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5:16pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Dorset Logic wrote::-D funny
I bought some crisps and a star bar from my local shop along with some top deck once. They undercharged me by 5p.
We laugh about it now.
pete woodley
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6:14pm Wed 3 Oct 12
hammer wrote:Are they as rude as the ones at Tesco's.Tower park.
I am boycotting the Asda petrol station at Canford Heath because they are now making it compulsory to remove your motorbike helmet before putting the fuel in your motorbike and also when you pay! I am sure they will not ask the yobbos in hoodies and baseball caps to remove their attire before getting petrol! The staff there are also very rude!
pete woodley
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6:14pm Wed 3 Oct 12
hammer wrote:Are they as rude as the ones at Tesco's.Tower park.
I am boycotting the Asda petrol station at Canford Heath because they are now making it compulsory to remove your motorbike helmet before putting the fuel in your motorbike and also when you pay! I am sure they will not ask the yobbos in hoodies and baseball caps to remove their attire before getting petrol! The staff there are also very rude!
madras
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7:33pm Wed 3 Oct 12
canfordcherry wrote:Hardly a case of not checking receipt, that would be for relatively fine detail - this is about someone accepting / authorising a payment massively in excess of what was expected...
How many people use these 'express' tills and don't check their reciepts, there must be some, makes you wonder how many times Asda and all the others have got away with it in the past! Where was the person who should have been at the monitoring station? They are paid to watch transactions occur or are they only looking out for 'shifty' characters trying to steal by not scanningitems?
hamworthygirl
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9:00pm Wed 3 Oct 12
Chris@Bmouth
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7:13am Mon 8 Oct 12
uvox44 wrote:ABSOLUTE retard - you've clearly been brainwashed. And as for the customer in question, you're just as stupid. I hope your bank charged you for any overdrawn fees. You probably blaimed them too?
that's not the real price though- the real price is the suffering of highly intelligent animals just to feed our totally unnecessary and unhealthy appetite for meat, meat-bad for your health, bad for the environment, bad for the animals you eat, a real lose-lose industry.
spooki
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3:06pm Mon 8 Oct 12
Telscombe Cliffy wrote:I agree but only as I don't like finding bits of gristle and other yuk in my food. On the main story though, if she didn't have her reading glasses with her, why did she use a self-checkout? If you do a bit of shopping and it comes to over £500 you'd think she would have questioned it. They'll be jokes made every time she goes shopping now! Why exactly DOES it take days for electronic transactions to go through? I note down when I buy stuff on the day I do it, not two days later like the bank does.
I'm not veggie, but give me those Linda Mc Cartney sausages over those greasy tastless so called 'taste the difference ' supermarket mystery bags. Only a quid for six and healthier/tastier. Meat generally in supermarkets has gone down in quality/taste over the last five years or so.
penhale says...
8:26am Tue 2 Oct 12