How rare cattle will help prevent wildfires at Upton Heath (From Thisisdorset)

A pride of lions on there would probably stop the fires happening

A fire even if it is devestating will do a **** sight better job at getting rid of things the so called environmentalsts keep harping on about. It's also amazing to think people actually believe the tripe they keep spouting with regard to conservation. The heath or brickworks as it used to be called has had no need for conservation for years. In the last few years wardens and project managers and now cows with names. The heath can regenerate far quicker than your so called 'experts' tell you. Go there sometime and see how much growth there's been since the 'devestating fire' and then perhaps really wonder what these cows and made up jobs are there for.

paul.p wrote:
A fire even if it is devestating will do a **** sight better job at getting rid of things the so called environmentalsts keep harping on about. It's also amazing to think people actually believe the tripe they keep spouting with regard to conservation. The heath or brickworks as it used to be called has had no need for conservation for years. In the last few years wardens and project managers and now cows with names. The heath can regenerate far quicker than your so called 'experts' tell you. Go there sometime and see how much growth there's been since the 'devestating fire' and then perhaps really wonder what these cows and made up jobs are there for.

Ignorance is bliss!!!

paul.p wrote:
A fire even if it is devestating will do a **** sight better job at getting rid of things the so called environmentalsts keep harping on about. It's also amazing to think people actually believe the tripe they keep spouting with regard to conservation. The heath or brickworks as it used to be called has had no need for conservation for years. In the last few years wardens and project managers and now cows with names. The heath can regenerate far quicker than your so called 'experts' tell you. Go there sometime and see how much growth there's been since the 'devestating fire' and then perhaps really wonder what these cows and made up jobs are there for.

I'm afraid the reptiles and birds etc might argue with you on the effects of a fire!

poolebabe wrote:

paul.p wrote:
A fire even if it is devestating will do a **** sight better job at getting rid of things the so called environmentalsts keep harping on about. It's also amazing to think people actually believe the tripe they keep spouting with regard to conservation. The heath or brickworks as it used to be called has had no need for conservation for years. In the last few years wardens and project managers and now cows with names. The heath can regenerate far quicker than your so called 'experts' tell you. Go there sometime and see how much growth there's been since the 'devestating fire' and then perhaps really wonder what these cows and made up jobs are there for.

Ignorance is bliss!!!

For you maybe but have I or have I not touched on something that should be questioned?

The fact that this and many others like it are all managed to certain specifications. Perfectly healthy mature trees removed because they don't fit in to what these 'experts' think should be there. Before the Heathland there were trees, millions of them. What do think people used to live in before brick?

I played on the heath as a kid 40 odd years ago, I know it back to front, it was a haven for wildlife and there were fires almost every year but the place recovered. It's how it is.

As for the wildlife surviving a fire, well, I'm sure as heck they wouldn't be standing around to find out would yo
u?

There are some cheap steaks going round Upton cheaper than asda let me know whose interested.

paul.p wrote:

poolebabe wrote:

paul.p wrote:
A fire even if it is devestating will do a **** sight better job at getting rid of things the so called environmentalsts keep harping on about. It's also amazing to think people actually believe the tripe they keep spouting with regard to conservation. The heath or brickworks as it used to be called has had no need for conservation for years. In the last few years wardens and project managers and now cows with names. The heath can regenerate far quicker than your so called 'experts' tell you. Go there sometime and see how much growth there's been since the 'devestating fire' and then perhaps really wonder what these cows and made up jobs are there for.

Ignorance is bliss!!!

For you maybe but have I or have I not touched on something that should be questioned?

The fact that this and many others like it are all managed to certain specifications. Perfectly healthy mature trees removed because they don't fit in to what these 'experts' think should be there. Before the Heathland there were trees, millions of them. What do think people used to live in before brick?

I played on the heath as a kid 40 odd years ago, I know it back to front, it was a haven for wildlife and there were fires almost every year but the place recovered. It's how it is.

As for the wildlife surviving a fire, well, I'm sure as heck they wouldn't be standing around to find out would yo
u?

So you think reptiles can sprout wings and fly away? I have seen such creatures burnt to a cinder after such fires.Are you seriously thinking they can easily escape a heath fire? Also heard of a bird returning to feed its young and burnt alive.
You talk absolute rubbish!
By the way,heathland is an important habitat for many rare species and Dorset has a lot of heathland!

It is a strange thing but in the 50s, with its choking smog, rampant heath fires, no checks on clearing, no spoon fed cows and not a greenie (a green person was someone with little nous(?). ) in sight the heathland and its wildlife thrived.
What makes these people think that they are doing anything useful?
The one clue is that the cows are people and dog friendly.
Too many people with dogs will quckly denude any area of its wild life.
The answer is simple, keep areas clear of people and dogs so the wildlife has a refuge.
I know the Green(?) people will object but reality is not an easy pill to swallow

FriendsofKC wrote:

paul.p wrote:

poolebabe wrote:

paul.p wrote:
A fire even if it is devestating will do a **** sight better job at getting rid of things the so called environmentalsts keep harping on about. It's also amazing to think people actually believe the tripe they keep spouting with regard to conservation. The heath or brickworks as it used to be called has had no need for conservation for years. In the last few years wardens and project managers and now cows with names. The heath can regenerate far quicker than your so called 'experts' tell you. Go there sometime and see how much growth there's been since the 'devestating fire' and then perhaps really wonder what these cows and made up jobs are there for.

Ignorance is bliss!!!

For you maybe but have I or have I not touched on something that should be questioned?

The fact that this and many others like it are all managed to certain specifications. Perfectly healthy mature trees removed because they don't fit in to what these 'experts' think should be there. Before the Heathland there were trees, millions of them. What do think people used to live in before brick?

I played on the heath as a kid 40 odd years ago, I know it back to front, it was a haven for wildlife and there were fires almost every year but the place recovered. It's how it is.

As for the wildlife surviving a fire, well, I'm sure as heck they wouldn't be standing around to find out would yo
u?

So you think reptiles can sprout wings and fly away? I have seen such creatures burnt to a cinder after such fires.Are you seriously thinking they can easily escape a heath fire? Also heard of a bird returning to feed its young and burnt alive.
You talk absolute rubbish!
By the way,heathland is an important habitat for many rare species and Dorset has a lot of heathland!

Too true. The managed Heathland makes Dorset a fairly unique place, full of fantastic Wildlife.

It's true that Heath is man made and managed. The argument about "before Heathland there were.." is a silly one really, considering how old these "man made" areas are. These man made areas were an important part of agriculture and farming.

Contrary to the opinion of the ignorant, the wildlife does perish in fires. The Dartford Warbler for example, can't just fly away because they are territorial birds. They will simply stay in their territory and perish where they nest. Or ground nesting birds which rely only on camouflage as defence, will simply sit still and burn alive. It's not a nice thought is it?

It's not about being a "tree hugging greeny" either. How many people visit Zoos and like animals? Zoos are about conservation too. It's very important work for bio-diversity. Believe it or not, our food doesn't grow in packets in supermarkets. A loss of one species has a knock on effect on everything else. We shouldn't be complacent about rare wildlife, and we should appreciate what we have here in Dorset. It's a unique place to live because of it.

elite50 wrote:
It is a strange thing but in the 50s, with its choking smog, rampant heath fires, no checks on clearing, no spoon fed cows and not a greenie (a green person was someone with little nous(?). ) in sight the heathland and its wildlife thrived.
What makes these people think that they are doing anything useful?
The one clue is that the cows are people and dog friendly.
Too many people with dogs will quckly denude any area of its wild life.
The answer is simple, keep areas clear of people and dogs so the wildlife has a refuge.
I know the Green(?) people will object but reality is not an easy pill to swallow

I certainly agree about keeping areas free for wildlife but sadly many such areas are Public Open Spaces:-(

poolebabe wrote:

FriendsofKC wrote:

paul.p wrote:

poolebabe wrote:

paul.p wrote: A fire even if it is devestating will do a **** sight better job at getting rid of things the so called environmentalsts keep harping on about. It's also amazing to think people actually believe the tripe they keep spouting with regard to conservation. The heath or brickworks as it used to be called has had no need for conservation for years. In the last few years wardens and project managers and now cows with names. The heath can regenerate far quicker than your so called 'experts' tell you. Go there sometime and see how much growth there's been since the 'devestating fire' and then perhaps really wonder what these cows and made up jobs are there for.

Ignorance is bliss!!!

For you maybe but have I or have I not touched on something that should be questioned? The fact that this and many others like it are all managed to certain specifications. Perfectly healthy mature trees removed because they don't fit in to what these 'experts' think should be there. Before the Heathland there were trees, millions of them. What do think people used to live in before brick? I played on the heath as a kid 40 odd years ago, I know it back to front, it was a haven for wildlife and there were fires almost every year but the place recovered. It's how it is. As for the wildlife surviving a fire, well, I'm sure as heck they wouldn't be standing around to find out would yo u?

So you think reptiles can sprout wings and fly away? I have seen such creatures burnt to a cinder after such fires.Are you seriously thinking they can easily escape a heath fire? Also heard of a bird returning to feed its young and burnt alive. You talk absolute rubbish! By the way,heathland is an important habitat for many rare species and Dorset has a lot of heathland!

Too true. The managed Heathland makes Dorset a fairly unique place, full of fantastic Wildlife. It's true that Heath is man made and managed. The argument about "before Heathland there were.." is a silly one really, considering how old these "man made" areas are. These man made areas were an important part of agriculture and farming. Contrary to the opinion of the ignorant, the wildlife does perish in fires. The Dartford Warbler for example, can't just fly away because they are territorial birds. They will simply stay in their territory and perish where they nest. Or ground nesting birds which rely only on camouflage as defence, will simply sit still and burn alive. It's not a nice thought is it? It's not about being a "tree hugging greeny" either. How many people visit Zoos and like animals? Zoos are about conservation too. It's very important work for bio-diversity. Believe it or not, our food doesn't grow in packets in supermarkets. A loss of one species has a knock on effect on everything else. We shouldn't be complacent about rare wildlife, and we should appreciate what we have here in Dorset. It's a unique place to live because of it.

You are right and you are wrong.
Animals do die in fires but fires do not occur in all places at once.
A burnt out area takes very little time to regrow and as soon as it does the wild life from other areas moves in. Its called survival of the fittest.
At present "the fittest" are people who need to walk their dogs.
All that needs to happen is for small areas within these areas to be set aside as refuges for the wildlife to have a chance to regenerate.
A few people friendly cows is not the answer even though their minders need the job.