UPDATED: Council gives go-ahead for new "superclub" (From Thisisdorset)
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UPDATED: Council gives go-ahead for new "superclub"
1:40pm Thursday 13th September 2012 in Latest By Stephen Bailey
James Beedham, owner of V Club
A BID to merge two town centre nightspots into a “superclub” has been approved by Bournemouth's licensing committee.
V Club, which operates in the former St Andrew's Church in Exeter Road, will join with the Viper Lounge behind it to become one venue.
Operators are booking big name DJs and music acts to appear at the venue, in the hope of reinvigorating the night-time economy.
Dorset Police and environmental health had objected to the original application but worked with the applicants Vee Assets Ltd to agree a long list of conditions.
These include a requirement to have a welfare officer based in the nightclub to assist any vulnerable party-goers.
Local nightclub entrepreneur Richard Carr is a consultant for the two venues. A newly created walkway through an existing alley will link them up.
The site is in the heart of Bournemouth’s “cumulative impact area”, which means councillors have to refuse new applications unless the applicants can demonstrate they will not cause additional problems.
Speaking before the bid was approved, town centre ward councillor David Smith said: “The last thing the town needs is any more large super-nightclubs.”
In a letter to the town’s licensing board, Gail Wade of Dorset Police stated the conditions currently offered by the applicants were “wholly inadequate.”
She added that, currently, 60 per cent of all alcohol related crime and 62 per cent of all non-domestic assaults in Bournemouth occur within the cumulative impact area.”
Lynn Barr, of Bournemouth Trading Standards, said they had concerns that merging the two premises could cause noise problems for nearby residents.
Resident Rachel Young wrote an objection, saying: “I have attended V on several occasions and I am very alarmed at the amount of drunk people on the streets outside the venue.
“I have witnessed many fights as well as people who are vulnerable and ill because of their considerable consumption of alcohol.”
Oliver Jones, the former club promoter and owner of Dusk Till Dawn, said: “There was a time when Bournemouth was rated as one of the top destinations for clubbing in the UK. If V can bring the big, exciting names they are talking about getting, it would draw the students and be exciting.
Restaurant entrepreneur Andy Price, owner of West Beach and The Print Room, said decisions made on clubs like this would determine Bournemouth’s future.
He said: “I have mixed feelings. It will bring potentially an Ibiza style feeling. I think we should aspire more to being the English Riviera.”
You have your say
Alice Cadman, 18, from Broadstone, said: “I go to V and I think it’s quite good. If it gets bigger it would be better. I always think of it as younger people whereas around Walkabout is for people in their 20s.”
Lucia Charlton, 31, a retail worker from the town centre, said: “We hear screaming and shouting until 3am or 4am.
“I understand a superclub will be for the younger people but I think the council and police need to be prepared for it.”
Scott Charlton, 34, a restaurant manager from the town centre, said: “I think it will be ok and hopefully will bring more business to the town centre. Everyone gets hungry and wants to eat and trade dies off after 9pm.”
Graham Smith, 69, a retired MD from Ferndown, said: “We don’t come into the town centre much at night. If you come to a panto with the grandchildren there’s swearing and trouble as you leave. I think a superclub might add to that atmosphere.”
Full updated story and reaction to follow
Comments(101)
whataboutthat
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8:52am Thu 13 Sep 12
It's a town centre for heaven's sake
'Gail Wade of Dorset Police states the conditions currently offered by the applicants were “wholly inadequate.”'
Police deciding/interfering with market forces.
'merging the two premises could cause noise problems for nearby residents.' + 'Resident Rachel Young wrote an objection'
Don't rent/buy a home in the town centre. Did you not notice the pubs and clubs when you moved in?
Pablo23
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8:54am Thu 13 Sep 12
Is it financially viable we must ask ourselves.
These days I prefer a village pub personally.
Huey
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8:54am Thu 13 Sep 12
arsmith
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8:57am Thu 13 Sep 12
The 2 clubs are already there, does a walkway = trouble?!
The Liberal
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8:59am Thu 13 Sep 12
Martin Caine
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9:04am Thu 13 Sep 12
andyjb10
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9:22am Thu 13 Sep 12
PooleParky
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9:23am Thu 13 Sep 12
It might have been a co-incidence, but it seemed as though people went to their own room of preference and didn't clash as much as in other places....
Mike Oxbig
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9:56am Thu 13 Sep 12
jeebuscripes wrote:Spot on there.
With the death of the high street in progress, the only real revenue to be gained in this area is through nightclubs, bars and restaurants.
Humf
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9:57am Thu 13 Sep 12
nat-365
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10:23am Thu 13 Sep 12
arsmith wrote:now that is a fact and in my oppinion ,people congregating in the alleyway to smoke as they do now are a problem and a noise issue which this walkway will eliminate
How will more trouble be created?
The 2 clubs are already there, does a walkway = trouble?!
as someone else commented ,what has this got to do with the police they are paid to police not to decide wether a business can make changes - thats what planning departments exist for . has no police officer ever used any of the clubs in bournemouth? yes of course they have . these clubs and whatever problems are being highlighted already exist - people want entertainment the town needs income ,nightlife earns more for the town than the daytime economy so we have to live with it ,most of the moaners on here never go into town at night and if the town got rid of ALL the clubs pubs and bars they still wouldnt because it wouldnt be viable to staff anything else and it would be a lonely existance even for a saddo !!
KLH
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10:26am Thu 13 Sep 12
Hope the board see sense on this one with a big NO.
nat-365
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10:29am Thu 13 Sep 12
KLH wrote:you live there and havent noticed that this club is already there and has been for ages ??? who are you Stevie Wonder
As a resident of the town centre, there are also people who have lived here for a good few decades, older people, and these people don't need the "don't live in the town centre if you don't like it" attitude. These people were here FIRST.
Hope the board see sense on this one with a big NO.
Old Harry
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10:41am Thu 13 Sep 12
Say-it-how-it-is
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10:44am Thu 13 Sep 12
Humf wrote:Oh you no him to well. I think everyone who was in the clubbing world back in the day, no what he's like. I thought he ran out of money.
i see Dicky Carr is a "consultant" yet again - i do chuckle at the way he pops up year after year, if I was more suspicious I'd think he might be investing again in the background...
Say-it-how-it-is
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10:49am Thu 13 Sep 12
KLH wrote:Night clubs have been in Bournemouth for years now. They haven't just popped up over night. I was told by my Mum's friend who is 70, that she use to go clubbing in Bournemouth back then. That was the only place to have fun back then.
As a resident of the town centre, there are also people who have lived here for a good few decades, older people, and these people don't need the "don't live in the town centre if you don't like it" attitude. These people were here FIRST.
Hope the board see sense on this one with a big NO.
nat-365
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10:53am Thu 13 Sep 12
Say-it-how-it-is wrote:are you being ironic or are you just naive - Carr aint the first ,and wont be the last . like it or not he is a better businessman than some in this town and if you are going to make money you have to be a bit ruthless ,its that simple .i dont think he seeks anyones approval
Humf wrote:Oh you no him to well. I think everyone who was in the clubbing world back in the day, no what he's like. I thought he ran out of money.
i see Dicky Carr is a "consultant" yet again - i do chuckle at the way he pops up year after year, if I was more suspicious I'd think he might be investing again in the background...
Martin Caine
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10:57am Thu 13 Sep 12
KLH wrote:I hope you see sense and work out that merging two clubs into one reduces the number of clubs in Bournemouth, which surely has to be in improvement in your eyes ?
As a resident of the town centre, there are also people who have lived here for a good few decades, older people, and these people don't need the "don't live in the town centre if you don't like it" attitude. These people were here FIRST.
Hope the board see sense on this one with a big NO.
whataboutthat
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11:26am Thu 13 Sep 12
KLH wrote:Move.
As a resident of the town centre, there are also people who have lived here for a good few decades, older people, and these people don't need the "don't live in the town centre if you don't like it" attitude. These people were here FIRST.
Hope the board see sense on this one with a big NO.
twenty
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11:46am Thu 13 Sep 12
In fact, the proposed idea has more positive factors than negative from where I'm standing. Bigger venues can afford to have better artists performing, which means people are more likely to visit the club for the music, not just to get drunk.
The only reason I'd go there is if there was an artist/DJ playing who I was interested in. And at the moment that doesn't happen because all they seem to ever have is RnB nights and Hed Kandi nights! But as it currently stands, you will find me a few doors down in Moon in the Square binge drinking on cheap alcohol. Long live wetherspoons!
Say-it-how-it-is
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11:48am Thu 13 Sep 12
nat-365 wrote:No not being ironic nor naive. I know carr all to well. How he almost destroyed the opera house in boscombe. And the smaller bars in Poole quay. Just let them go to ruin.
Say-it-how-it-is wrote:are you being ironic or are you just naive - Carr aint the first ,and wont be the last . like it or not he is a better businessman than some in this town and if you are going to make money you have to be a bit ruthless ,its that simple .i dont think he seeks anyones approval
Humf wrote:Oh you no him to well. I think everyone who was in the clubbing world back in the day, no what he's like. I thought he ran out of money.
i see Dicky Carr is a "consultant" yet again - i do chuckle at the way he pops up year after year, if I was more suspicious I'd think he might be investing again in the background...
Liberty12
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12:21pm Thu 13 Sep 12
tricky1007
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12:30pm Thu 13 Sep 12
whataboutthat wrote:V used to be a church! so they probably did not see the club. People don't mind the clubs its the anti social behaviour that goes along with it. If they do attract big names they will go the same way as all the other clubs that tried it, they will go bust. And i though Richard Carr was recently going on about the town needing more entertainment rather than just bars and clubs?!!
Town centre ward councillor David Smith said: “The last thing the town needs is any more large super-nightclubs.
It's a town centre for heaven's sake
'Gail Wade of Dorset Police states the conditions currently offered by the applicants were “wholly inadequate.”'
Police deciding/interfering with market forces.
'merging the two premises could cause noise problems for nearby residents.' + 'Resident Rachel Young wrote an objection'
Don't rent/buy a home in the town centre. Did you not notice the pubs and clubs when you moved in?
tricky1007
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12:30pm Thu 13 Sep 12
whataboutthat wrote:V used to be a church! so they probably did not see the club. People don't mind the clubs its the anti social behaviour that goes along with it. If they do attract big names they will go the same way as all the other clubs that tried it, they will go bust. And i though Richard Carr was recently going on about the town needing more entertainment rather than just bars and clubs?!!
Town centre ward councillor David Smith said: “The last thing the town needs is any more large super-nightclubs.
It's a town centre for heaven's sake
'Gail Wade of Dorset Police states the conditions currently offered by the applicants were “wholly inadequate.”'
Police deciding/interfering with market forces.
'merging the two premises could cause noise problems for nearby residents.' + 'Resident Rachel Young wrote an objection'
Don't rent/buy a home in the town centre. Did you not notice the pubs and clubs when you moved in?
BmthNewshound
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12:33pm Thu 13 Sep 12
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The licence isn't to open a new club just merge the two together. If the council was happy to licences for the existing clubs its very difficult to see how they can justify refusing the new application. But then again this is Bournemouth where Councillors rarely make decisions based on common sense.
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Like him or loathe him when it comes to running clubs and bars Richard Carr knows his stuff. When they first opened his bars set new standards and helped to generate a lot of money for the local economy. He's also had experience of dealing with Bournemouth's incompetent and irrational Councillors.
nat-365
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12:34pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Say-it-how-it-is wrote:on the contrary he was the pioneer for contemporary Bournemouth nightlife,not always successful but at least put his or the banks money where his mouth was or this town would still be stuck in the jimmy saville era - the opera house pre-Carr was a dump he at least had a go is still on the ball and he will likely always be involved here , i am sure he isnt trying to win a popularity contest but do you think he cares how other people percieve him after all its their money in his pocket ,i think he smiles more than he frowns . am i in his fan club ? no,but i think that if you stick your jaw out and it gets the occassional smack but you still come back for more sooner or later you will be a worthy winner .
nat-365 wrote:No not being ironic nor naive. I know carr all to well. How he almost destroyed the opera house in boscombe. And the smaller bars in Poole quay. Just let them go to ruin.
Say-it-how-it-is wrote:are you being ironic or are you just naive - Carr aint the first ,and wont be the last . like it or not he is a better businessman than some in this town and if you are going to make money you have to be a bit ruthless ,its that simple .i dont think he seeks anyones approval
Humf wrote:Oh you no him to well. I think everyone who was in the clubbing world back in the day, no what he's like. I thought he ran out of money.
i see Dicky Carr is a "consultant" yet again - i do chuckle at the way he pops up year after year, if I was more suspicious I'd think he might be investing again in the background...
oh so you know Carr all to well do you ? another one !! you probably dont even know his middle name and he 'almost destroyed .......' ,did he ??
hitler almost won world war two ,richard branson almost flew around the world in a hot air ballon ,100s of people almost climb mount everest each year - 'almost' is not - job done . critism for the sake of it is very shortsited and a little bit nasty - envy is not a nice quality in an adult
tricky1007
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12:38pm Thu 13 Sep 12
twenty wrote:They will have to charge a big ticket price, and then to get people in will have to do drinks at the usual silly prices. Bars in town take no more money now than when they used to close earlier. People drink at home and come out drunk, then head to the cheap bars, and then on to somewhere that is busy, but charge to get in, Staffing levels are down in the bars compared to years ago, i am all for bars in town, but lets start charging sensible drink prices, as people are to stupid to control how much they drink, or maybe we should start charging people who need hospital treatment through to much alcohol, then it would be fair to say they are helping with the economy, because the money they spend in a bar, goes nowhere near to covering there treatment!
As many others have said; the two venues are already there and operating, so it's hardly going to make much difference!
In fact, the proposed idea has more positive factors than negative from where I'm standing. Bigger venues can afford to have better artists performing, which means people are more likely to visit the club for the music, not just to get drunk.
The only reason I'd go there is if there was an artist/DJ playing who I was interested in. And at the moment that doesn't happen because all they seem to ever have is RnB nights and Hed Kandi nights! But as it currently stands, you will find me a few doors down in Moon in the Square binge drinking on cheap alcohol. Long live wetherspoons!
Say-it-how-it-is
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12:48pm Thu 13 Sep 12
tricky1007 wrote:Well said trick. It would help the NSH service if they did pay for their treatment. I get so annoyed when they get so drunk and are a right mess at the end of the night. Clubs have really bin and gone now. The last time I went out was years ago. And all they play is R&B now. Bars are a lot better now. And should charge a sensible price for drinks.
twenty wrote:They will have to charge a big ticket price, and then to get people in will have to do drinks at the usual silly prices. Bars in town take no more money now than when they used to close earlier. People drink at home and come out drunk, then head to the cheap bars, and then on to somewhere that is busy, but charge to get in, Staffing levels are down in the bars compared to years ago, i am all for bars in town, but lets start charging sensible drink prices, as people are to stupid to control how much they drink, or maybe we should start charging people who need hospital treatment through to much alcohol, then it would be fair to say they are helping with the economy, because the money they spend in a bar, goes nowhere near to covering there treatment!
As many others have said; the two venues are already there and operating, so it's hardly going to make much difference!
In fact, the proposed idea has more positive factors than negative from where I'm standing. Bigger venues can afford to have better artists performing, which means people are more likely to visit the club for the music, not just to get drunk.
The only reason I'd go there is if there was an artist/DJ playing who I was interested in. And at the moment that doesn't happen because all they seem to ever have is RnB nights and Hed Kandi nights! But as it currently stands, you will find me a few doors down in Moon in the Square binge drinking on cheap alcohol. Long live wetherspoons!
Talkingheadera
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12:58pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
whataboutthat
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1:29pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
nat-365
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1:32pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Talkingheadera wrote:So what - yes we all know ,you dont have priviledged information , does anyone actually care ,we aint the tax man - who appointed you director of morals for bournemouth then ? most of the goons on the council beat Carr hands down for wriggling - big deal !
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Humf
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1:42pm Thu 13 Sep 12
nat-365 wrote:I agree that some of his ventures were successful and good for Bournemouth and the surrounding area but I don't think that any of the creditors left high and dry would be so keen to applaud.
Say-it-how-it-is wrote:on the contrary he was the pioneer for contemporary Bournemouth nightlife,not always successful but at least put his or the banks money where his mouth was or this town would still be stuck in the jimmy saville era - the opera house pre-Carr was a dump he at least had a go is still on the ball and he will likely always be involved here , i am sure he isnt trying to win a popularity contest but do you think he cares how other people percieve him after all its their money in his pocket ,i think he smiles more than he frowns . am i in his fan club ? no,but i think that if you stick your jaw out and it gets the occassional smack but you still come back for more sooner or later you will be a worthy winner .
nat-365 wrote:No not being ironic nor naive. I know carr all to well. How he almost destroyed the opera house in boscombe. And the smaller bars in Poole quay. Just let them go to ruin.
Say-it-how-it-is wrote:are you being ironic or are you just naive - Carr aint the first ,and wont be the last . like it or not he is a better businessman than some in this town and if you are going to make money you have to be a bit ruthless ,its that simple .i dont think he seeks anyones approval
Humf wrote:Oh you no him to well. I think everyone who was in the clubbing world back in the day, no what he's like. I thought he ran out of money.
i see Dicky Carr is a "consultant" yet again - i do chuckle at the way he pops up year after year, if I was more suspicious I'd think he might be investing again in the background...
oh so you know Carr all to well do you ? another one !! you probably dont even know his middle name and he 'almost destroyed .......' ,did he ??
hitler almost won world war two ,richard branson almost flew around the world in a hot air ballon ,100s of people almost climb mount everest each year - 'almost' is not - job done . critism for the sake of it is very shortsited and a little bit nasty - envy is not a nice quality in an adult
What i think annoys alot of people is that Richard is banned from being a director and, whilst he can do what he likes with his own money, he now working again and I'm sure most would question what his role is in this and other ventures where he is supposedly a consultant.
It has nothing to do with envy or not knowing him personally but about what has gone on in the past and the fact that he seems to have had a nice break and carrying on regardless of what went on with Future 3000 and the other companies he was involved with.
And I quote from the Echo :
"Future 3000 has 523 potential unsecured creditors, mainly trade suppliers, who are owed a total of £1.8m. They are not expected to see any of their money."
nat-365
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1:59pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Humf wrote:and I can asure you he isnt the worst of them - creditors never complain when they are earning from him , impose credit limits instead of letting greed rule your head
nat-365 wrote:I agree that some of his ventures were successful and good for Bournemouth and the surrounding area but I don't think that any of the creditors left high and dry would be so keen to applaud.
Say-it-how-it-is wrote:on the contrary he was the pioneer for contemporary Bournemouth nightlife,not always successful but at least put his or the banks money where his mouth was or this town would still be stuck in the jimmy saville era - the opera house pre-Carr was a dump he at least had a go is still on the ball and he will likely always be involved here , i am sure he isnt trying to win a popularity contest but do you think he cares how other people percieve him after all its their money in his pocket ,i think he smiles more than he frowns . am i in his fan club ? no,but i think that if you stick your jaw out and it gets the occassional smack but you still come back for more sooner or later you will be a worthy winner .
nat-365 wrote:No not being ironic nor naive. I know carr all to well. How he almost destroyed the opera house in boscombe. And the smaller bars in Poole quay. Just let them go to ruin.
Say-it-how-it-is wrote:are you being ironic or are you just naive - Carr aint the first ,and wont be the last . like it or not he is a better businessman than some in this town and if you are going to make money you have to be a bit ruthless ,its that simple .i dont think he seeks anyones approval
Humf wrote:Oh you no him to well. I think everyone who was in the clubbing world back in the day, no what he's like. I thought he ran out of money.
i see Dicky Carr is a "consultant" yet again - i do chuckle at the way he pops up year after year, if I was more suspicious I'd think he might be investing again in the background...
oh so you know Carr all to well do you ? another one !! you probably dont even know his middle name and he 'almost destroyed .......' ,did he ??
hitler almost won world war two ,richard branson almost flew around the world in a hot air ballon ,100s of people almost climb mount everest each year - 'almost' is not - job done . critism for the sake of it is very shortsited and a little bit nasty - envy is not a nice quality in an adult
What i think annoys alot of people is that Richard is banned from being a director and, whilst he can do what he likes with his own money, he now working again and I'm sure most would question what his role is in this and other ventures where he is supposedly a consultant.
It has nothing to do with envy or not knowing him personally but about what has gone on in the past and the fact that he seems to have had a nice break and carrying on regardless of what went on with Future 3000 and the other companies he was involved with.
And I quote from the Echo :
"Future 3000 has 523 potential unsecured creditors, mainly trade suppliers, who are owed a total of £1.8m. They are not expected to see any of their money."
nat-365
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2:11pm Thu 13 Sep 12
billythereb
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2:38pm Thu 13 Sep 12
purely for tax reasons eh!
i wonder how many palms the grease monkey stroked to make this happen!
it wasnt so long ago it was reported that the stone architecture of the old church was not deemed safe regarding thumpy thumpy music anyway.
but hey Money can overide anything in the world of business,phaps!
Bournemouth is busy enough without folk wanting more , and may i say the stench of **** & sick when i go to work at 7am is not very nice
Martinesque
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3:02pm Thu 13 Sep 12
whataboutthat wrote:Are you Richard Carr in disguise?
Town centre ward councillor David Smith said: “The last thing the town needs is any more large super-nightclubs. It's a town centre for heaven's sake 'Gail Wade of Dorset Police states the conditions currently offered by the applicants were “wholly inadequate.”' Police deciding/interfering with market forces. 'merging the two premises could cause noise problems for nearby residents.' + 'Resident Rachel Young wrote an objection' Don't rent/buy a home in the town centre. Did you not notice the pubs and clubs when you moved in?
Redgolfer00
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3:59pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Say-it-how-it-is wrote:He aint ran out of money, who interviewed the staff at V before they opened, why was the manager who was employed at Crank, which Mr. Carr owned before, install as the manager at V.
Humf wrote:Oh you no him to well. I think everyone who was in the clubbing world back in the day, no what he's like. I thought he ran out of money.
i see Dicky Carr is a "consultant" yet again - i do chuckle at the way he pops up year after year, if I was more suspicious I'd think he might be investing again in the background...
No Mr. Carr still has his money but even a declared bankcrupt still has ways and means, look at our Eddie.
oneshortleg
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4:13pm Thu 13 Sep 12
O'Reilly
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4:20pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Pablo23 wrote:Are they any left Pablo? I find them a bit thin on the ground when I'm out and about.
I can't see anything really wrong with it, but I thought the 'super club' & celebrity DJ culture and died out somewhat in the 90s.
Is it financially viable we must ask ourselves.
These days I prefer a village pub personally.
ekimnoslen
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4:24pm Thu 13 Sep 12
You may have ascertained by now that I have moved elsewhere!
robsmith123
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4:35pm Thu 13 Sep 12
ekimnoslen wrote:we also need a theme park based on camels and bechemal sauce.
Absolutely, yes, yes, yes! What Bournemouth needs is more nightclubs, more booze licences, longer drinking hours, more stag & hen "vomit-ups" and late night punch-ups.
You may have ascertained by now that I have moved elsewhere!
bechemal is great as it can be spelt in two different ways, as can spelt.
whoop !!!!
Azphreal
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5:06pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Bournefre
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5:28pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Adrian XX
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5:50pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Many people make the point that you should expect noise if you live in a town centre. Yes, you should because that is the current state of town centres. However, it wasn't always thus and I don't think town centres should be this way at night. Efforts to further reduce noise should go ahead.
You can enjoy a night out without ear-damaging noise levels in the same way you can enjoy a night out without liver-damaging alcohol intake.
Adrian XX
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5:51pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Anyway, didn't he say he would have to leave the area? Things must be looking up for him.
manyogie
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6:11pm Thu 13 Sep 12
What went wrong.?
TedTheRed
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6:40pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Lets get one thing straight, V is not a superclub, nor merging it with Viper will it become a superclub. Yes, its bournemouth biggest club, but we are not talking about The Ministry of Sound, The Manor, Fabric or Cream and Slinky at The Operahouse are we. Some have already made the point that having a larger space with multiple rooms has benefits over a saturated state of smaller 'night clubs' we currently have. Quality over quantity any day please.
Where Bournemouth went t1ts up is when these so called 'night clubs' like Yates, Bliss, Chilli Whites, The Mary Shelley etc. were allowed to have extended opening hours. Rane them back in and stagger the economies with a sensible schedule of closing times. Back to the good 'ol days of drinking up at 11pm then heading to a proper night club for some music and a rave up.
alasdair1967
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6:43pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Say-it-how-it-is wrote:hardly being driven around in his new v10 bmw 7 series every night to his business concerns not bad for a recent bankrupt
Humf wrote:Oh you no him to well. I think everyone who was in the clubbing world back in the day, no what he's like. I thought he ran out of money.
i see Dicky Carr is a "consultant" yet again - i do chuckle at the way he pops up year after year, if I was more suspicious I'd think he might be investing again in the background...
Benny Dorm
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7:01pm Thu 13 Sep 12
It'll just be centred around 1 big club instead of 2 smaller ones. I don't see what the problem is.
Talkingheadera
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7:09pm Thu 13 Sep 12
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
nat-365
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7:33pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
mikeymagic2
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7:38pm Thu 13 Sep 12
nat-365
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8:02pm Thu 13 Sep 12
mikeymagic2 wrote:opening night ? its been open for years its just a modification of something that already exists - did you read the story ?
Just what we need in Bmth! Let's have a sweepstake on how many pikey **** get arrested on the opening night! The class of this place has gone!
Bob49
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8:09pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Perhaps they could encourage people to consume soft drinks instead.
Though I'm not too sure if selling coke is as profitable as selling alcohol.
arsmith
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8:29pm Thu 13 Sep 12
Talkingheadera
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8:56pm Thu 13 Sep 12
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
mpdor
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8:59pm Thu 13 Sep 12
EDDIE GROVES.
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9:24pm Thu 13 Sep 12
You dont know when your breads buttered
Mangiafuoco
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10:10pm Thu 13 Sep 12
oneshortleg
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10:42pm Thu 13 Sep 12
John T
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11:30pm Thu 13 Sep 12
I should consult Richard Carr, if I were you, old chap.
AnastasiaB
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11:30pm Thu 13 Sep 12
nat-365
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6:11am Fri 14 Sep 12
Talkingheadera wrote:your protests are not evidence ,you are talking rubbish ,if you have evidence take it to the police - i suspect youll be ushered out of the police station, they have to investigate an accusation but i think you will end up with egg on your face
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
i think you simply have a personal vendetta against the guy and if i were Mr Carr i would report you for harrassment ,just because someone told you what some else told them doesnt make it fact - grow up
nat-365
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6:21am Fri 14 Sep 12
AnastasiaB wrote:no go zone ?? this isnt Basra what tripe some of you people write .
Bournemouth at night is a no go zone now anyway and will not attract families whatever the council do so the only way they can get revenue is from these clubs so of course they will approve it. The town centre at night is not a good place and I no longer go to Town at night despite being a club goer. I would rather go elsewhere where I feel safer.
have you had your face slashed or something , you get conflict anywhere you get crowds and its been like that forever but in reality its the same and as safe as anywhere else ,for goodness sake get it in perspective
EGHH
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6:38am Fri 14 Sep 12
Talkingheadera
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7:02am Fri 14 Sep 12
nat-365 wrote:Why is he banned from being a director for 10 years?
Talkingheadera wrote:your protests are not evidence ,you are talking rubbish ,if you have evidence take it to the police - i suspect youll be ushered out of the police station, they have to investigate an accusation but i think you will end up with egg on your face
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
i think you simply have a personal vendetta against the guy and if i were Mr Carr i would report you for harrassment ,just because someone told you what some else told them doesnt make it fact - grow up
Because hmrc investigated and found he laundered money to the USA and to family members. Fact.
jobsworthwatch
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7:25am Fri 14 Sep 12
nat-365
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7:32am Fri 14 Sep 12
Talkingheadera wrote:he is banned as a director for 10 years because he is a bankrupt ,there is nothing unusual about that
nat-365 wrote:Why is he banned from being a director for 10 years?
Talkingheadera wrote:your protests are not evidence ,you are talking rubbish ,if you have evidence take it to the police - i suspect youll be ushered out of the police station, they have to investigate an accusation but i think you will end up with egg on your face
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
i think you simply have a personal vendetta against the guy and if i were Mr Carr i would report you for harrassment ,just because someone told you what some else told them doesnt make it fact - grow up
Because hmrc investigated and found he laundered money to the USA and to family members. Fact.
if HMRC couldnt prosecute him as a criminal then take it from me that no evidence exists , can you not see that ? its not fact - youre an oaf, thats fact !
i cant really understand either why Richard Carr would tell his business to 'plenty of taxi drivers' , it just does not have an ounce of truth in it ,you listen to or start ridiculous gossip and label it as 'fact' - take it from me you are a muppet and wouldnt have the bottle to say it to the mans face ,so dont say it on here
Talkingheadera
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7:40am Fri 14 Sep 12
nat-365 wrote:Oh I would.
Talkingheadera wrote:he is banned as a director for 10 years because he is a bankrupt ,there is nothing unusual about that
nat-365 wrote:Why is he banned from being a director for 10 years?
Talkingheadera wrote:your protests are not evidence ,you are talking rubbish ,if you have evidence take it to the police - i suspect youll be ushered out of the police station, they have to investigate an accusation but i think you will end up with egg on your face
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
i think you simply have a personal vendetta against the guy and if i were Mr Carr i would report you for harrassment ,just because someone told you what some else told them doesnt make it fact - grow up
Because hmrc investigated and found he laundered money to the USA and to family members. Fact.
if HMRC couldnt prosecute him as a criminal then take it from me that no evidence exists , can you not see that ? its not fact - youre an oaf, thats fact !
i cant really understand either why Richard Carr would tell his business to 'plenty of taxi drivers' , it just does not have an ounce of truth in it ,you listen to or start ridiculous gossip and label it as 'fact' - take it from me you are a muppet and wouldnt have the bottle to say it to the mans face ,so dont say it on here
I take it as you are so concerned that you are mr are or his lapdog.
Why a would you be so irate otherwise. How do you think it's all hearsay. ? How do you know how far I from the truth?
You have no idea
nat-365
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7:50am Fri 14 Sep 12
Talkingheadera wrote:I am nothing to do with Mr Carr - thats another assumption you got wrong . but i dislike tremendously malicious gossip spread by idiots like you .
nat-365 wrote:Oh I would.
Talkingheadera wrote:he is banned as a director for 10 years because he is a bankrupt ,there is nothing unusual about that
nat-365 wrote:Why is he banned from being a director for 10 years?
Talkingheadera wrote:your protests are not evidence ,you are talking rubbish ,if you have evidence take it to the police - i suspect youll be ushered out of the police station, they have to investigate an accusation but i think you will end up with egg on your face
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
i think you simply have a personal vendetta against the guy and if i were Mr Carr i would report you for harrassment ,just because someone told you what some else told them doesnt make it fact - grow up
Because hmrc investigated and found he laundered money to the USA and to family members. Fact.
if HMRC couldnt prosecute him as a criminal then take it from me that no evidence exists , can you not see that ? its not fact - youre an oaf, thats fact !
i cant really understand either why Richard Carr would tell his business to 'plenty of taxi drivers' , it just does not have an ounce of truth in it ,you listen to or start ridiculous gossip and label it as 'fact' - take it from me you are a muppet and wouldnt have the bottle to say it to the mans face ,so dont say it on here
I take it as you are so concerned that you are mr are or his lapdog.
Why a would you be so irate otherwise. How do you think it's all hearsay. ? How do you know how far I from the truth?
You have no idea
so you WOULD confront him would you ? so why havent you ,instead of hiding behind your computer screen ?because you are a weasel . inaccurate with your information and a nobody
i challenge you to confront the man , bring your evidence ?? youre all mouth
Adrian XX
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8:55am Fri 14 Sep 12
if HMRC couldnt prosecute him as a criminal then take it from me that no evidence exists
Don't be silly. There are hundreds of criminal cases where evidence comes to light at a later date.
If he is not being investigated (and it is quite likely that any investigation would not be made public), then it could be because evidence is well-hidden.
As a disqualified director, Richard Carr must not:
Be a director of any company
Act like a director - even without being formally appointed
Influence the running of a company through the directors
Be involved in the formation of a new company
Act in a way that promotes a company
I would suggest that Richard Carr is breaking the law at least on the last point here, though I am not an insolvency practitioner so I don't know the law intimately. I suspect he is acting in a way that promotes one of James Beedham's many companies, all of which are listed here: http://bit.ly/PoKgz0
As far as I can see it wouldn't be HMRC who prosecute such a case, but the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills.
spooki
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9:11am Fri 14 Sep 12
Bob49 wrote:By 'Coke' I assume you mean the drink? When I used to go out to Wetherspoons in the evening it was CHEAPER to buy a spirit & mixer or a pint of lager than to buy a pint of Coke. I don't go now I prefer to buy my soft drinks in a supermarket and enjoy them at home where I can enjoy it and not worry about some drunken idiot barging into me, some sad desperate fool spiking it or listen to lads swearing.
"I am very alarmed at the amount of drunk people on the streets outside the venue."
Perhaps they could encourage people to consume soft drinks instead.
Though I'm not too sure if selling coke is as profitable as selling alcohol.
On the subject of a superclub, the clubs are there already so what difference will it make? If you don't like it, don't go.
nat-365
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9:28am Fri 14 Sep 12
Adrian XX wrote:i am not critical of absolute fact - havent seen any of that ? - but supposition amounts to nothing . Carr is not on bail pending proscecution ,would have to be charged within a year and a day etc etc its not happening is it
if HMRC couldnt prosecute him as a criminal then take it from me that no evidence exists
Don't be silly. There are hundreds of criminal cases where evidence comes to light at a later date.
If he is not being investigated (and it is quite likely that any investigation would not be made public), then it could be because evidence is well-hidden.
As a disqualified director, Richard Carr must not:
Be a director of any company
Act like a director - even without being formally appointed
Influence the running of a company through the directors
Be involved in the formation of a new company
Act in a way that promotes a company
I would suggest that Richard Carr is breaking the law at least on the last point here, though I am not an insolvency practitioner so I don't know the law intimately. I suspect he is acting in a way that promotes one of James Beedham's many companies, all of which are listed here: http://bit.ly/PoKgz0
As far as I can see it wouldn't be HMRC who prosecute such a case, but the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills.
if a prosecution ever happens i will publically eat a large slice of humble pie - dont hold you breath for that one
Redgolfer00
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10:13am Fri 14 Sep 12
nat-365 wrote:Friend of Mr. Carr are we, I too am a taxi driver and have on more than once had the disgusting experience of having him in my cab and he was bagging with his cronies about what he was going to do or not to do so I know the other driver is telling the truth or am I lying as well. The problem with Mr. Carr is he spouts one thing in the press and does the opposite, he is banned because of being bankrupt , so why is he on today echo saying we should be grateful to him for creating a ''super club'' when he should not have anything to do with that venture but we all know he has his grubby little fingers all over it.
Talkingheadera wrote:he is banned as a director for 10 years because he is a bankrupt ,there is nothing unusual about that
nat-365 wrote:Why is he banned from being a director for 10 years?
Talkingheadera wrote:your protests are not evidence ,you are talking rubbish ,if you have evidence take it to the police - i suspect youll be ushered out of the police station, they have to investigate an accusation but i think you will end up with egg on your face
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
i think you simply have a personal vendetta against the guy and if i were Mr Carr i would report you for harrassment ,just because someone told you what some else told them doesnt make it fact - grow up
Because hmrc investigated and found he laundered money to the USA and to family members. Fact.
if HMRC couldnt prosecute him as a criminal then take it from me that no evidence exists , can you not see that ? its not fact - youre an oaf, thats fact !
i cant really understand either why Richard Carr would tell his business to 'plenty of taxi drivers' , it just does not have an ounce of truth in it ,you listen to or start ridiculous gossip and label it as 'fact' - take it from me you are a muppet and wouldnt have the bottle to say it to the mans face ,so dont say it on here
nat-365
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10:58am Fri 14 Sep 12
Redgolfer00 wrote:and it is your word against his . I've said it often enough ,you need evidence ,no evidence = no case ,what is difficult to understand in that line ?
nat-365 wrote:Friend of Mr. Carr are we, I too am a taxi driver and have on more than once had the disgusting experience of having him in my cab and he was bagging with his cronies about what he was going to do or not to do so I know the other driver is telling the truth or am I lying as well. The problem with Mr. Carr is he spouts one thing in the press and does the opposite, he is banned because of being bankrupt , so why is he on today echo saying we should be grateful to him for creating a ''super club'' when he should not have anything to do with that venture but we all know he has his grubby little fingers all over it.
Talkingheadera wrote:he is banned as a director for 10 years because he is a bankrupt ,there is nothing unusual about that
nat-365 wrote:Why is he banned from being a director for 10 years?
Talkingheadera wrote:your protests are not evidence ,you are talking rubbish ,if you have evidence take it to the police - i suspect youll be ushered out of the police station, they have to investigate an accusation but i think you will end up with egg on your face
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
i think you simply have a personal vendetta against the guy and if i were Mr Carr i would report you for harrassment ,just because someone told you what some else told them doesnt make it fact - grow up
Because hmrc investigated and found he laundered money to the USA and to family members. Fact.
if HMRC couldnt prosecute him as a criminal then take it from me that no evidence exists , can you not see that ? its not fact - youre an oaf, thats fact !
i cant really understand either why Richard Carr would tell his business to 'plenty of taxi drivers' , it just does not have an ounce of truth in it ,you listen to or start ridiculous gossip and label it as 'fact' - take it from me you are a muppet and wouldnt have the bottle to say it to the mans face ,so dont say it on here
if you took an illegal fare,someone said you did ,you said you didnt and there was no one to back up the accusation , how could you be found guilty of an offence ? does that explain my point ?
what you THINK amounts to NOTHING
Bob49
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11:23am Fri 14 Sep 12
Dinsdale ?
The Liberal
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11:41am Fri 14 Sep 12
nat-365 wrote:Why's that? I thought he was merely a 'consultant'?
like it or not it was approved - so critise all you like Richard Carr wins the day
The Liberal
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11:44am Fri 14 Sep 12
nat-365 wrote:Better to be a fool than a sock puppet.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
madras
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1:04pm Fri 14 Sep 12
Pablo23 wrote:'I always think of it as younger people whereas around Walkabout is for people in their 20s'
I can't see anything really wrong with it, but I thought the 'super club' & celebrity DJ culture and died out somewhat in the 90s.
Is it financially viable we must ask ourselves.
These days I prefer a village pub personally.
Oh my, I feel soooooo old!
MrPitiful
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2:11pm Fri 14 Sep 12
Martin Caine
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2:43pm Fri 14 Sep 12
Bob49
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2:57pm Fri 14 Sep 12
Or maybe most of us choose to pay the people we owe money to. Choose to honour the debts of those that trusted us by providing us with goods and services.
Perhaps when you can take a quiet moment from singing his praises, you might care to consider how quickly society would collapse were we all to conduct ourselves in such a way as he does.
Martin Caine
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3:22pm Fri 14 Sep 12
Bob49 wrote:I'm sure I still have a receivers letter from Dundee's somewhere for an unpaid bill still outstanding, though I am sure I made more profit than loss from Dundee's, So I don't have a problem with him over it, that is after all the gamble everyone takes when dealing with limited companies. I had a business at Tower Park at the same time as Richard and I assure you we both got shafted by Price Waterhouse, when Tower Park Ltd went bankrupt. So I am not singing his praises as such I am pointing out the nonsense that is being posted here. I bet the taxi drivers in this thread were glad to take his money at the time.
"I dare you to do as well as he has because only then do you really have the right to do so!”
Or maybe most of us choose to pay the people we owe money to. Choose to honour the debts of those that trusted us by providing us with goods and services.
Perhaps when you can take a quiet moment from singing his praises, you might care to consider how quickly society would collapse were we all to conduct ourselves in such a way as he does.
Bob49
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3:45pm Fri 14 Sep 12
As to the taxi drivers, it is far more than them with 'recollections'.
And what do you expect them to do. Stop the taxi and eject him because he is shouting his gob off, again ?
Martin Caine
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3:56pm Fri 14 Sep 12
Bob49 wrote:No I simply expect them not to slag of someone who has paid them money for a service but I may be the only one that thinks that is wrong. Like I said I am pleased they got the green light, so I will gladly leave others to debate the moral and social standards of business with Bob49
So by trading as a limited company you absolve yourself of all moral and social, as well as financial responsibilty.
As to the taxi drivers, it is far more than them with 'recollections'.
And what do you expect them to do. Stop the taxi and eject him because he is shouting his gob off, again ?
Bob49
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4:43pm Fri 14 Sep 12
If he doesn't want them to comment on what he said then might I suggest he doesn't spend the journey bragging about his 'escapades'.
nat-365
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5:15pm Fri 14 Sep 12
Martin Caine wrote:an absolutely fair and reasonable comment from a man who was in the thick of it , you won a lot and lost a little but you are mature enough to know that these things happen and dont bear a grudge .taxi drivers ... well they never rip anyone off . much !
Bob49 wrote:I'm sure I still have a receivers letter from Dundee's somewhere for an unpaid bill still outstanding, though I am sure I made more profit than loss from Dundee's, So I don't have a problem with him over it, that is after all the gamble everyone takes when dealing with limited companies. I had a business at Tower Park at the same time as Richard and I assure you we both got shafted by Price Waterhouse, when Tower Park Ltd went bankrupt. So I am not singing his praises as such I am pointing out the nonsense that is being posted here. I bet the taxi drivers in this thread were glad to take his money at the time.
"I dare you to do as well as he has because only then do you really have the right to do so!”
Or maybe most of us choose to pay the people we owe money to. Choose to honour the debts of those that trusted us by providing us with goods and services.
Perhaps when you can take a quiet moment from singing his praises, you might care to consider how quickly society would collapse were we all to conduct ourselves in such a way as he does.
Talkingheadera
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6:25pm Fri 14 Sep 12
Redgolfer00 wrote:I think you'll find a bankrupt gets banned for something like 3 years. 10 years if been underhand with something.like laundering money.
nat-365 wrote:Friend of Mr. Carr are we, I too am a taxi driver and have on more than once had the disgusting experience of having him in my cab and he was bagging with his cronies about what he was going to do or not to do so I know the other driver is telling the truth or am I lying as well. The problem with Mr. Carr is he spouts one thing in the press and does the opposite, he is banned because of being bankrupt , so why is he on today echo saying we should be grateful to him for creating a ''super club'' when he should not have anything to do with that venture but we all know he has his grubby little fingers all over it.
Talkingheadera wrote:he is banned as a director for 10 years because he is a bankrupt ,there is nothing unusual about that
nat-365 wrote:Why is he banned from being a director for 10 years?
Talkingheadera wrote:your protests are not evidence ,you are talking rubbish ,if you have evidence take it to the police - i suspect youll be ushered out of the police station, they have to investigate an accusation but i think you will end up with egg on your face
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
i think you simply have a personal vendetta against the guy and if i were Mr Carr i would report you for harrassment ,just because someone told you what some else told them doesnt make it fact - grow up
Because hmrc investigated and found he laundered money to the USA and to family members. Fact.
if HMRC couldnt prosecute him as a criminal then take it from me that no evidence exists , can you not see that ? its not fact - youre an oaf, thats fact !
i cant really understand either why Richard Carr would tell his business to 'plenty of taxi drivers' , it just does not have an ounce of truth in it ,you listen to or start ridiculous gossip and label it as 'fact' - take it from me you are a muppet and wouldnt have the bottle to say it to the mans face ,so dont say it on here
Talkingheadera
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7:46pm Fri 14 Sep 12
Not hearsay
Talkingheadera
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8:12pm Fri 14 Sep 12
Why ?
mmm2008
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10:03pm Fri 14 Sep 12
nat-365 wrote:Why is nat-365 so defensive? And angry?
Talkingheadera wrote:he is banned as a director for 10 years because he is a bankrupt ,there is nothing unusual about that
nat-365 wrote:Why is he banned from being a director for 10 years?
Talkingheadera wrote:your protests are not evidence ,you are talking rubbish ,if you have evidence take it to the police - i suspect youll be ushered out of the police station, they have to investigate an accusation but i think you will end up with egg on your face
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
i think you simply have a personal vendetta against the guy and if i were Mr Carr i would report you for harrassment ,just because someone told you what some else told them doesnt make it fact - grow up
Because hmrc investigated and found he laundered money to the USA and to family members. Fact.
if HMRC couldnt prosecute him as a criminal then take it from me that no evidence exists , can you not see that ? its not fact - youre an oaf, thats fact !
i cant really understand either why Richard Carr would tell his business to 'plenty of taxi drivers' , it just does not have an ounce of truth in it ,you listen to or start ridiculous gossip and label it as 'fact' - take it from me you are a muppet and wouldnt have the bottle to say it to the mans face ,so dont say it on here
Hercule Poirot
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1:35am Sat 15 Sep 12
nat-365 wrote:What sort of person makes these comments:
Talkingheadera wrote:he is banned as a director for 10 years because he is a bankrupt ,there is nothing unusual about that
nat-365 wrote:Why is he banned from being a director for 10 years?
Talkingheadera wrote:your protests are not evidence ,you are talking rubbish ,if you have evidence take it to the police - i suspect youll be ushered out of the police station, they have to investigate an accusation but i think you will end up with egg on your face
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
i think you simply have a personal vendetta against the guy and if i were Mr Carr i would report you for harrassment ,just because someone told you what some else told them doesnt make it fact - grow up
Because hmrc investigated and found he laundered money to the USA and to family members. Fact.
if HMRC couldnt prosecute him as a criminal then take it from me that no evidence exists , can you not see that ? its not fact - youre an oaf, thats fact !
i cant really understand either why Richard Carr would tell his business to 'plenty of taxi drivers' , it just does not have an ounce of truth in it ,you listen to or start ridiculous gossip and label it as 'fact' - take it from me you are a muppet and wouldnt have the bottle to say it to the mans face ,so dont say it on here
"i challenge you to confront the man , bring your evidence ?? youre all mouth"
"have you had your face slashed or something"
"you are a muppet and wouldnt have the bottle to say it to the mans face"?
Sounds like the criminal underworld may have arrived in Bournemouth.
Talkingheadera
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9:57am Sat 15 Sep 12
Hercule Poirot wrote:Hit a raw nerve have I.?
nat-365 wrote:What sort of person makes these comments:
Talkingheadera wrote:he is banned as a director for 10 years because he is a bankrupt ,there is nothing unusual about that
nat-365 wrote:Why is he banned from being a director for 10 years?
Talkingheadera wrote:your protests are not evidence ,you are talking rubbish ,if you have evidence take it to the police - i suspect youll be ushered out of the police station, they have to investigate an accusation but i think you will end up with egg on your face
nat-365 wrote:I told you it's not hearsay.
Talkingheadera wrote:have you any idea what evidence is ,you are lining yourself up to be sued
whataboutthat wrote:Libel is mistruth isn't it.
Talkingheadera wrote:Obnoxious as he may be according to many commenters on here I hope you have a solicitor as your comment is libel and actionable. I'd stick to mere vulgar abuse if I was you.
Open your eyes and ears people.
Fact. The clubs are carrs except in name. His lapdog ex manager is the front man. Carrs banned from being a director for 10 years.
All his laundered cash went into this and dundees. That's why all suppliers are paid in cash.he needs to get rid of it. This isn't hearsay. It's fact.
Obnoxious man who loves hanger ons.
Like I said its fact. The tax man should be investigating.
Plenty of taxi drivers know he bundled all his cash out the days before he went onto administration.
This is illegal and he should be in prison.
hearsay doesnt stand up in court - you are a fool !
i think you simply have a personal vendetta against the guy and if i were Mr Carr i would report you for harrassment ,just because someone told you what some else told them doesnt make it fact - grow up
Because hmrc investigated and found he laundered money to the USA and to family members. Fact.
if HMRC couldnt prosecute him as a criminal then take it from me that no evidence exists , can you not see that ? its not fact - youre an oaf, thats fact !
i cant really understand either why Richard Carr would tell his business to 'plenty of taxi drivers' , it just does not have an ounce of truth in it ,you listen to or start ridiculous gossip and label it as 'fact' - take it from me you are a muppet and wouldnt have the bottle to say it to the mans face ,so dont say it on here
"i challenge you to confront the man , bring your evidence ?? youre all mouth"
"have you had your face slashed or something"
"you are a muppet and wouldnt have the bottle to say it to the mans face"?
Sounds like the criminal underworld may have arrived in Bournemouth.
What sort of person? One that's a lot nearer the truth than you think.
Bob49
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12:04pm Sat 15 Sep 12
that is untrue as the actual reason given was -
"But he has now entered into a 10 year Bankruptcy Restriction Undertaking after the discovery of what the Insolvency Service called his “unfit conduct.”
'then take it from me that no evidence exists' - nat365
again, not true as evidence does exist, as in -
"....following claims that he stashed nearly £270,000 in the bank account of a relative’s husband and put £100,000 into a US bank account.
The Insolvency Service also revealed he incurred more than £100,000 of debt just weeks after Future 3000 plc and Ravine Lifestyle Limited went into administration, and made cash withdrawals totalling £150,000 from his UK bank account."
both quotes were reported in the local media -13th Oct 2009
MrPitiful
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12:36pm Sat 15 Sep 12
Oh so it must be true then.
Bob49
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3:20pm Sat 15 Sep 12
As to whether it is true, then if not we have to presume the Insolvency service (who made those statements) are lying ....
... as is Richard Carr who, in acknowledging those actions, replied with -
"He told the Daily Echo that the money sent to the US was owed to a friend and that the £270,000 was paid into his brother-in-law’s account.
“The properties that were sold were owned by my sister so the money was given back to her.”
Others can choose to believe what they wish, though these earlier statements are rather illuminating -
"An official statement of Mr Carr’s “unfit conduct” said: “Although Mr Carr either knew or ought to have known that he was personally insolvent, he continued to use his existing credit facilities to fund his previous lifestyle, which he made no attempt to moderate.” - reported 9th Oct 2009
"Bournemouth Official Receiver Tony Ryan said: “Mr Carr’s business failures resulted in him becoming liable for significant sums under company guarantees.
“At a time when he was aware of these liabilities, his actions put his personal assets beyond the reach of his creditors, and such culpable conduct warranted investigation by the Insolvency Service following the Bankruptcy Order made against him on October 10 2008."
So how much did he owe -
"When his two main companies went into administration, Mr Carr was liable for £7.5m of the companies’ debts, which he had personally guaranteed."
And how much did he have, before "his actions put his personal assets beyond the reach of his creditors" ?
" £536,194, comprising a credit bank balance, proceeds from the sale of two properties and a £500 watch "
Which coincidental with the approach of bankruptcy he discovered belonged to close family members, rather than himself.
Talkingheadera
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9:27pm Sat 15 Sep 12
He has also been charged for drink driving on numerous occasions, been involved with assaulting people,
And making unwanted sexual advances to members of his staff. The
list goes on.
Oh and when he sold the lease on the opera house he didn't have the decency to tell his staff. They turned up for work and were locked out!
How grateful we all shoul be!
bobthedestroyer
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10:29pm Sat 15 Sep 12
arthur1948
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9:19am Tue 18 Sep 12
chrspeters
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5:35pm Tue 18 Sep 12
Most attacks have been for and against Mr Carr and his money-making/losing ventures. Yet it surprises me most that the local council have not been brought into question over why they allowed this venture to go ahead?
Some here argue that it is good business that will bring in lots of revenue.
Yet I ask, who for?
It won’t be for the likes of us ordinary council tax payers as we will have to pay out more on street clean-ups, police and ambulance turnouts for all the mayhem that these binge or obviously now new super-binge drinking venues will produce. It has been quoted above that the likes of Carr have raked in fortunes and are living so well on the sheer degradation of Bournemouth and we local taxpayers are paying for it with the aftermath daily/nightly clean up.
To my mind, if the local council wanted to improve Bournemouth, then they would cut down of binge drinking venues and not just go further to make them ‘super’ the problem. If we are to go down that road of putting money-making businesses way before any respectable values, then why not create Bournemouth as a place to come for all binge-drinkers, drug dealers and users, prostitutes and clients – there will sure be a lot of money to make but again, who for?
Bournemouth needs entrepreneurs to return our town once again to a family resort. What we don’t need is more ideas to degrade us even further.
jeebuscripes says...
8:45am Thu 13 Sep 12