Tributes to tragic teen: dad's Facebook drug warning after son's death (From Thisisdorset)

Obviously my thoughts are with the family and friends but another very sad waste of a young life.

Tom 18 years old ,now come on you guys,his friends ,in his memory dump the drugs ..... whats it all for . your mate is dead, thats all pretty final - it has to stop !!! please vow to change today

The message to just say no is an understandable one from a grieving father, and I am deeply saddened by his loss.

However, it is not a sensible way to educate kids about the dangers of drugs. Some drugs it is practically impossible to overdose on, but may exacerbate underlying mental conditions eg LSD, cannabis. Some are incredibly safe as long as you follow a few clear guidelines eg MDMA. Some are massively addictive eg Heroin, cocaine, meth, crack. Some can kill you straight away eg sniffing solvents.

Once you start lumping them all together in a Just Say No message, then you get uneducated kids who are likely to make uninformed decisions. There is a massive difference between smoking a joint and smoking heroin. Unless kids realise this then they are just as likely to start on heroin as they are on cannabis.

It would probably be best if people didn't take any form of drugs. But they do, and they always will. So educating them so they can make an appropriate choice is the only responsible thing to do.

" There is a massive difference between smoking a joint and smoking heroin"

The difference being they both ensure you lose touch with reality, one more than the other. No to all is the only message, not a pick and choose because one does less harm than another.

But you can't deny there is a massive difference and you have to be pragmatic not righteous in todays society.

Regardless of differences, all the above mentioned are illegal, so not only are they endangering themselves but they are breaking the law. A categorical NO should be the overwhelming message.

Sniffing solvents is not illegal, and is a lot more dangerous than dropping an E or smoking a joint.

My condolences to all concerned. But really, it's lazy journalism to copy things of facebook.

To FNS and your ever-so-well informed opinons. What sort of world do you inhabit, with your notions of "education them so they can make an appropriate choice"? This is the language of policy wonks, with a superficial understanding of the teenage psyche - not a reflection of the secret and dysfunctional world of so many drug users

Have you had an 18 YO son? We're dealing with a father's sense of raw loss, an inconsolable loss. Please, it really isn't the time to trade the intricacies and legalities of the various forms of drugs out there. Or offering crap about making "appropriate choices". No regime of recreational drug use is ever an "appropriate choice", because (including alcohol) all have risks.
As a parent of a son a similar age, frankly I don't give two hoots. All I know is that my son and his mates all indulge, they're over the age of legal consent. And there go I but for the grace of God.

To the Bournemouth Echo

I would like to thank you for covering the sad story about my brother Thomas. I hope people do read and think twice about drugs.

What else do I put at this time? I have no idea.

We will be holding a fundraiser towards a bench/s around Verity park in memory and also supporting the local Youth Club Lime Lights.

Regards

Andrew Rowley

^^ This will be at a later date.

I will keep you informed.

kingstonpaul wrote:
To FNS and your ever-so-well informed opinons. What sort of world do you inhabit, with your notions of "education them so they can make an appropriate choice"? This is the language of policy wonks, with a superficial understanding of the teenage psyche - not a reflection of the secret and dysfunctional world of so many drug users Have you had an 18 YO son? We're dealing with a father's sense of raw loss, an inconsolable loss. Please, it really isn't the time to trade the intricacies and legalities of the various forms of drugs out there. Or offering crap about making "appropriate choices". No regime of recreational drug use is ever an "appropriate choice", because (including alcohol) all have risks. As a parent of a son a similar age, frankly I don't give two hoots. All I know is that my son and his mates all indulge, they're over the age of legal consent. And there go I but for the grace of God.

Kids are going to have the choice about doing (legal and illegal) drugs at school and university. Just telling them "drugs are bad" is treating them like idiots, and will lead them to make stupid choices.

My group of friends was fairly typical at school and uni. Nearly everyone drank, a lot of people smoked weed, some people did LSD / speed / MDMA. People generally held it together unless they started doing heroin or coke, and then things fell apart for them.

So I'm speaking from my own experiences - losing friends completely to heroin. Watching others throw their money away and become cnuts on cocaine. Maybe things are completely different for 18 year-olds today, but I suspect that a lot stays the same.

It's a tragic loss that this young lad is dead, and obviously his family will be devastated. But the Just Say No approach, without any education to back it up, is not the way forward.

Kingstonpaul,you have my sympathy re your son,but have you tried any way to stop him,or would he walk away and you would lose him.Have you tried stopping his supplier.

Lets hope the tributes include the names and contact details of his suppliers

Lets hope the tributes include the names and contact details of his suppliers

Drugs exist to make evil people rich.All heroine users start with cannabis which takes away your mind and memory.Heroine takes your body then your life.Kids please don't think you know better than to listen to your parents-you don't.

Wageslave wrote:
Drugs exist to make evil people rich.All heroine users start with cannabis which takes away your mind and memory.Heroine takes your body then your life.Kids please don't think you know better than to listen to your parents-you don't.

Very sad to hear of any young person losing their life so early. Commiserations to the family and friends.

However, far more people are killed by alcohol annually than all other drugs put together (except nicotine)

Every heroin user I've ever met started with alcohol. Almost all first used heroin when under the influence of alcohol.

Anyone claiming cannabis starts people on the road to heroin use should do some research of their own instead of believing what certain newspapers claim.

Telling children all drugs are the same is proved to be a lie as soon as they see that countless numbers of people take drugs and/or alcohol but lead perfectly normal lives. I prefer to teach my children the truth, but each to their own I suppose.

BackOfTheNet wrote:

Wageslave wrote:
Drugs exist to make evil people rich.All heroine users start with cannabis which takes away your mind and memory.Heroine takes your body then your life.Kids please don't think you know better than to listen to your parents-you don't.

Very sad to hear of any young person losing their life so early. Commiserations to the family and friends.

However, far more people are killed by alcohol annually than all other drugs put together (except nicotine)

Every heroin user I've ever met started with alcohol. Almost all first used heroin when under the influence of alcohol.

Anyone claiming cannabis starts people on the road to heroin use should do some research of their own instead of believing what certain newspapers claim.

Telling children all drugs are the same is proved to be a lie as soon as they see that countless numbers of people take drugs and/or alcohol but lead perfectly normal lives. I prefer to teach my children the truth, but each to their own I suppose.

typical misguided justification and defence of drug use
so being a self styled authority on the effects of drugs over alcohol is something to be proud of is it ? im guessing you are one of these ,been there ,done that ,got a tee shirt types - well being an ex or current drug or alcohol abuser isnt an attribute and should not be a label worn with any pride
its not about the history , thats yesterdays news ,what we need is to alter the perception of the effects of drugs and alcohol and tobacco so that youngsters dont see any of it as a positive.

timeandtide wrote:

BackOfTheNet wrote:

Wageslave wrote:
Drugs exist to make evil people rich.All heroine users start with cannabis which takes away your mind and memory.Heroine takes your body then your life.Kids please don't think you know better than to listen to your parents-you don't.

Very sad to hear of any young person losing their life so early. Commiserations to the family and friends.

However, far more people are killed by alcohol annually than all other drugs put together (except nicotine)

Every heroin user I've ever met started with alcohol. Almost all first used heroin when under the influence of alcohol.

Anyone claiming cannabis starts people on the road to heroin use should do some research of their own instead of believing what certain newspapers claim.

Telling children all drugs are the same is proved to be a lie as soon as they see that countless numbers of people take drugs and/or alcohol but lead perfectly normal lives. I prefer to teach my children the truth, but each to their own I suppose.

typical misguided justification and defence of drug use
so being a self styled authority on the effects of drugs over alcohol is something to be proud of is it ? im guessing you are one of these ,been there ,done that ,got a tee shirt types - well being an ex or current drug or alcohol abuser isnt an attribute and should not be a label worn with any pride
its not about the history , thats yesterdays news ,what we need is to alter the perception of the effects of drugs and alcohol and tobacco so that youngsters dont see any of it as a positive.

Hope you don't fall off that high horse.

I have to say your naive comments completely indicate your actual experience and knowledge of drugs, the use of drugs.

Simply sneering at someone who has had first hand knowledge and seen how the 'scene' works is a very basic, and frankly, foolish thing to do.

scrumpyjack wrote:

timeandtide wrote:

BackOfTheNet wrote:

Wageslave wrote:
Drugs exist to make evil people rich.All heroine users start with cannabis which takes away your mind and memory.Heroine takes your body then your life.Kids please don't think you know better than to listen to your parents-you don't.

Very sad to hear of any young person losing their life so early. Commiserations to the family and friends.

However, far more people are killed by alcohol annually than all other drugs put together (except nicotine)

Every heroin user I've ever met started with alcohol. Almost all first used heroin when under the influence of alcohol.

Anyone claiming cannabis starts people on the road to heroin use should do some research of their own instead of believing what certain newspapers claim.

Telling children all drugs are the same is proved to be a lie as soon as they see that countless numbers of people take drugs and/or alcohol but lead perfectly normal lives. I prefer to teach my children the truth, but each to their own I suppose.

typical misguided justification and defence of drug use
so being a self styled authority on the effects of drugs over alcohol is something to be proud of is it ? im guessing you are one of these ,been there ,done that ,got a tee shirt types - well being an ex or current drug or alcohol abuser isnt an attribute and should not be a label worn with any pride
its not about the history , thats yesterdays news ,what we need is to alter the perception of the effects of drugs and alcohol and tobacco so that youngsters dont see any of it as a positive.

Hope you don't fall off that high horse.

I have to say your naive comments completely indicate your actual experience and knowledge of drugs, the use of drugs.

Simply sneering at someone who has had first hand knowledge and seen how the 'scene' works is a very basic, and frankly, foolish thing to do.

my knowledge of drugs is what i see on a daily basis ,you need to come out of your foggy ill concieved world and stop thinking you are the only one with any insight . your problem is that ,you either are or want to be a drug user and thinking you are clever as far as knowledge of it is concerned is how you excuse your childish behavior - drug usage is destroying our world and no one has any right to promote it - frankly the soft approach gets up my nose ,i think they need to distance druggies from the problem in a harsh routine ,no not the armed forces, because although they quickly lose the physical dependancy its the mental attitude that needs to be addressed through total isolation from it ,it wouldnt be a cheap solution and it wouldnt be nice but breaking the cycle of abuse needs tough action whilst it is still possible.
i think that no addict should be allowed to give birth to or care for children ,all children should be moved into responsible care and the adults (??) be subject to compulsory sterilisation

timeandtide wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

timeandtide wrote:

BackOfTheNet wrote:

Wageslave wrote:
Drugs exist to make evil people rich.All heroine users start with cannabis which takes away your mind and memory.Heroine takes your body then your life.Kids please don't think you know better than to listen to your parents-you don't.

Very sad to hear of any young person losing their life so early. Commiserations to the family and friends.

However, far more people are killed by alcohol annually than all other drugs put together (except nicotine)

Every heroin user I've ever met started with alcohol. Almost all first used heroin when under the influence of alcohol.

Anyone claiming cannabis starts people on the road to heroin use should do some research of their own instead of believing what certain newspapers claim.

Telling children all drugs are the same is proved to be a lie as soon as they see that countless numbers of people take drugs and/or alcohol but lead perfectly normal lives. I prefer to teach my children the truth, but each to their own I suppose.

typical misguided justification and defence of drug use
so being a self styled authority on the effects of drugs over alcohol is something to be proud of is it ? im guessing you are one of these ,been there ,done that ,got a tee shirt types - well being an ex or current drug or alcohol abuser isnt an attribute and should not be a label worn with any pride
its not about the history , thats yesterdays news ,what we need is to alter the perception of the effects of drugs and alcohol and tobacco so that youngsters dont see any of it as a positive.

Hope you don't fall off that high horse.

I have to say your naive comments completely indicate your actual experience and knowledge of drugs, the use of drugs.

Simply sneering at someone who has had first hand knowledge and seen how the 'scene' works is a very basic, and frankly, foolish thing to do.

my knowledge of drugs is what i see on a daily basis ,you need to come out of your foggy ill concieved world and stop thinking you are the only one with any insight . your problem is that ,you either are or want to be a drug user and thinking you are clever as far as knowledge of it is concerned is how you excuse your childish behavior - drug usage is destroying our world and no one has any right to promote it - frankly the soft approach gets up my nose ,i think they need to distance druggies from the problem in a harsh routine ,no not the armed forces, because although they quickly lose the physical dependancy its the mental attitude that needs to be addressed through total isolation from it ,it wouldnt be a cheap solution and it wouldnt be nice but breaking the cycle of abuse needs tough action whilst it is still possible.
i think that no addict should be allowed to give birth to or care for children ,all children should be moved into responsible care and the adults (??) be subject to compulsory sterilisation

And people wonder why so many youngsters appear to be mixed up when supposedly adults make comments such as these

I think everyone is interested in reducing the harm done to everyone (not just young people) by drugs, legal and illegal. Just saying to kids "Drugs - don't do them. They're bad" and then thinking that's a job well done is massively irresponsible. All kids need to be taught the facts about these things. You can add whatever moral judgment on to the end that you like.

I'm sure we would all like our kids to grow up non-smoking tee-totallers except for a tipple on Xmas day, but it's very unlikely. Being honest and giving them facts is the only way to equip them with what they need to grow up relatively unscathed.

NB I'm not criticising this lad's father. I've got no idea about how he approached this, and I wouldn't like to judge. Raising kids is a minefield to manoeuvre, and getting through it is a matter of luck as well as judgement.

I dont think these comments are from adults
its not kids broke up from school
its raining out so they are not bored off.i mean to say
Sounds just like mike dribbling and ferting to me.
It wasn't like this before we had travellers and the last war

retry69 wrote:

timeandtide wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

timeandtide wrote:

BackOfTheNet wrote:

Wageslave wrote:
Drugs exist to make evil people rich.All heroine users start with cannabis which takes away your mind and memory.Heroine takes your body then your life.Kids please don't think you know better than to listen to your parents-you don't.

Very sad to hear of any young person losing their life so early. Commiserations to the family and friends.

However, far more people are killed by alcohol annually than all other drugs put together (except nicotine)

Every heroin user I've ever met started with alcohol. Almost all first used heroin when under the influence of alcohol.

Anyone claiming cannabis starts people on the road to heroin use should do some research of their own instead of believing what certain newspapers claim.

Telling children all drugs are the same is proved to be a lie as soon as they see that countless numbers of people take drugs and/or alcohol but lead perfectly normal lives. I prefer to teach my children the truth, but each to their own I suppose.

typical misguided justification and defence of drug use
so being a self styled authority on the effects of drugs over alcohol is something to be proud of is it ? im guessing you are one of these ,been there ,done that ,got a tee shirt types - well being an ex or current drug or alcohol abuser isnt an attribute and should not be a label worn with any pride
its not about the history , thats yesterdays news ,what we need is to alter the perception of the effects of drugs and alcohol and tobacco so that youngsters dont see any of it as a positive.

Hope you don't fall off that high horse.

I have to say your naive comments completely indicate your actual experience and knowledge of drugs, the use of drugs.

Simply sneering at someone who has had first hand knowledge and seen how the 'scene' works is a very basic, and frankly, foolish thing to do.

my knowledge of drugs is what i see on a daily basis ,you need to come out of your foggy ill concieved world and stop thinking you are the only one with any insight . your problem is that ,you either are or want to be a drug user and thinking you are clever as far as knowledge of it is concerned is how you excuse your childish behavior - drug usage is destroying our world and no one has any right to promote it - frankly the soft approach gets up my nose ,i think they need to distance druggies from the problem in a harsh routine ,no not the armed forces, because although they quickly lose the physical dependancy its the mental attitude that needs to be addressed through total isolation from it ,it wouldnt be a cheap solution and it wouldnt be nice but breaking the cycle of abuse needs tough action whilst it is still possible.
i think that no addict should be allowed to give birth to or care for children ,all children should be moved into responsible care and the adults (??) be subject to compulsory sterilisation

And people wonder why so many youngsters appear to be mixed up when supposedly adults make comments such as these

well wheres your solution - mr know it all.
you think its okay to put kids in that enviroment and expose them to addiction in the womb or drugs lying around the home,do you ?

timeandtide wrote:

retry69 wrote:

timeandtide wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

timeandtide wrote:

BackOfTheNet wrote:

Wageslave wrote:
Drugs exist to make evil people rich.All heroine users start with cannabis which takes away your mind and memory.Heroine takes your body then your life.Kids please don't think you know better than to listen to your parents-you don't.

Very sad to hear of any young person losing their life so early. Commiserations to the family and friends.

However, far more people are killed by alcohol annually than all other drugs put together (except nicotine)

Every heroin user I've ever met started with alcohol. Almost all first used heroin when under the influence of alcohol.

Anyone claiming cannabis starts people on the road to heroin use should do some research of their own instead of believing what certain newspapers claim.

Telling children all drugs are the same is proved to be a lie as soon as they see that countless numbers of people take drugs and/or alcohol but lead perfectly normal lives. I prefer to teach my children the truth, but each to their own I suppose.

typical misguided justification and defence of drug use
so being a self styled authority on the effects of drugs over alcohol is something to be proud of is it ? im guessing you are one of these ,been there ,done that ,got a tee shirt types - well being an ex or current drug or alcohol abuser isnt an attribute and should not be a label worn with any pride
its not about the history , thats yesterdays news ,what we need is to alter the perception of the effects of drugs and alcohol and tobacco so that youngsters dont see any of it as a positive.

Hope you don't fall off that high horse.

I have to say your naive comments completely indicate your actual experience and knowledge of drugs, the use of drugs.

Simply sneering at someone who has had first hand knowledge and seen how the 'scene' works is a very basic, and frankly, foolish thing to do.

my knowledge of drugs is what i see on a daily basis ,you need to come out of your foggy ill concieved world and stop thinking you are the only one with any insight . your problem is that ,you either are or want to be a drug user and thinking you are clever as far as knowledge of it is concerned is how you excuse your childish behavior - drug usage is destroying our world and no one has any right to promote it - frankly the soft approach gets up my nose ,i think they need to distance druggies from the problem in a harsh routine ,no not the armed forces, because although they quickly lose the physical dependancy its the mental attitude that needs to be addressed through total isolation from it ,it wouldnt be a cheap solution and it wouldnt be nice but breaking the cycle of abuse needs tough action whilst it is still possible.
i think that no addict should be allowed to give birth to or care for children ,all children should be moved into responsible care and the adults (??) be subject to compulsory sterilisation

And people wonder why so many youngsters appear to be mixed up when supposedly adults make comments such as these

well wheres your solution - mr know it all.
you think its okay to put kids in that enviroment and expose them to addiction in the womb or drugs lying around the home,do you ?

Here we go name calling and abuse I will be glad when the school holidays are over and we get back to normal i was going to suggest write to the Dandy but too late there i think.

timeandtide wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

timeandtide wrote:

BackOfTheNet wrote:

Wageslave wrote:
Drugs exist to make evil people rich.All heroine users start with cannabis which takes away your mind and memory.Heroine takes your body then your life.Kids please don't think you know better than to listen to your parents-you don't.

Very sad to hear of any young person losing their life so early. Commiserations to the family and friends.

However, far more people are killed by alcohol annually than all other drugs put together (except nicotine)

Every heroin user I've ever met started with alcohol. Almost all first used heroin when under the influence of alcohol.

Anyone claiming cannabis starts people on the road to heroin use should do some research of their own instead of believing what certain newspapers claim.

Telling children all drugs are the same is proved to be a lie as soon as they see that countless numbers of people take drugs and/or alcohol but lead perfectly normal lives. I prefer to teach my children the truth, but each to their own I suppose.

typical misguided justification and defence of drug use
so being a self styled authority on the effects of drugs over alcohol is something to be proud of is it ? im guessing you are one of these ,been there ,done that ,got a tee shirt types - well being an ex or current drug or alcohol abuser isnt an attribute and should not be a label worn with any pride
its not about the history , thats yesterdays news ,what we need is to alter the perception of the effects of drugs and alcohol and tobacco so that youngsters dont see any of it as a positive.

Hope you don't fall off that high horse.

I have to say your naive comments completely indicate your actual experience and knowledge of drugs, the use of drugs.

Simply sneering at someone who has had first hand knowledge and seen how the 'scene' works is a very basic, and frankly, foolish thing to do.

my knowledge of drugs is what i see on a daily basis ,you need to come out of your foggy ill concieved world and stop thinking you are the only one with any insight . your problem is that ,you either are or want to be a drug user and thinking you are clever as far as knowledge of it is concerned is how you excuse your childish behavior - drug usage is destroying our world and no one has any right to promote it - frankly the soft approach gets up my nose ,i think they need to distance druggies from the problem in a harsh routine ,no not the armed forces, because although they quickly lose the physical dependancy its the mental attitude that needs to be addressed through total isolation from it ,it wouldnt be a cheap solution and it wouldnt be nice but breaking the cycle of abuse needs tough action whilst it is still possible.
i think that no addict should be allowed to give birth to or care for children ,all children should be moved into responsible care and the adults (??) be subject to compulsory sterilisation

It is evident you don't see.

I suggest what you see is the consequence not the activity.

There's are literally millions of drug users and you will meet people all of the time who use or used to use some form of drug - but you wouldn't have a clue because it does not show.

As to your ridiculous, really ridiculous, statement "you need to come out of your foggy ill concieved world and stop thinking you are the only one with any insight . your problem is that ,you either are or want to be a drug user" I'm sorry to shatter your simplistic steriotyping but I neither am nor feel the need to be a drug user.

Except I am fooling myself as I drink - therefore I am. You teetotal are you?

Oh and guess what? I wear a suit every day and clean my shoes every day. Hmmm not exactly as you assumed.

I do not wish to make any further comments to you as you clearly are very naive and ironically the reality is I hate "druggies" - the ones that rob,steal and cheat to feed their habit. No sympathy from me.

However, I am not stupid nor blinkered enough to think your hugely simplified rantings are even faintly realistic.

So, to end, you carry on with your little 'everything in a box' world and I will continue to live in mine.

Goodbye.

Now you know how i feel scrumpy.

retry69 wrote:

timeandtide wrote:

retry69 wrote:

timeandtide wrote:

scrumpyjack wrote:

timeandtide wrote:

BackOfTheNet wrote:

Wageslave wrote:
Drugs exist to make evil people rich.All heroine users start with cannabis which takes away your mind and memory.Heroine takes your body then your life.Kids please don't think you know better than to listen to your parents-you don't.

Very sad to hear of any young person losing their life so early. Commiserations to the family and friends.

However, far more people are killed by alcohol annually than all other drugs put together (except nicotine)

Every heroin user I've ever met started with alcohol. Almost all first used heroin when under the influence of alcohol.

Anyone claiming cannabis starts people on the road to heroin use should do some research of their own instead of believing what certain newspapers claim.

Telling children all drugs are the same is proved to be a lie as soon as they see that countless numbers of people take drugs and/or alcohol but lead perfectly normal lives. I prefer to teach my children the truth, but each to their own I suppose.

typical misguided justification and defence of drug use
so being a self styled authority on the effects of drugs over alcohol is something to be proud of is it ? im guessing you are one of these ,been there ,done that ,got a tee shirt types - well being an ex or current drug or alcohol abuser isnt an attribute and should not be a label worn with any pride
its not about the history , thats yesterdays news ,what we need is to alter the perception of the effects of drugs and alcohol and tobacco so that youngsters dont see any of it as a positive.

Hope you don't fall off that high horse.

I have to say your naive comments completely indicate your actual experience and knowledge of drugs, the use of drugs.

Simply sneering at someone who has had first hand knowledge and seen how the 'scene' works is a very basic, and frankly, foolish thing to do.

my knowledge of drugs is what i see on a daily basis ,you need to come out of your foggy ill concieved world and stop thinking you are the only one with any insight . your problem is that ,you either are or want to be a drug user and thinking you are clever as far as knowledge of it is concerned is how you excuse your childish behavior - drug usage is destroying our world and no one has any right to promote it - frankly the soft approach gets up my nose ,i think they need to distance druggies from the problem in a harsh routine ,no not the armed forces, because although they quickly lose the physical dependancy its the mental attitude that needs to be addressed through total isolation from it ,it wouldnt be a cheap solution and it wouldnt be nice but breaking the cycle of abuse needs tough action whilst it is still possible.
i think that no addict should be allowed to give birth to or care for children ,all children should be moved into responsible care and the adults (??) be subject to compulsory sterilisation

And people wonder why so many youngsters appear to be mixed up when supposedly adults make comments such as these

well wheres your solution - mr know it all.
you think its okay to put kids in that enviroment and expose them to addiction in the womb or drugs lying around the home,do you ?

Here we go name calling and abuse I will be glad when the school holidays are over and we get back to normal i was going to suggest write to the Dandy but too late there i think.

and thats an answer is it ? at least i made a point ,wether you like it or not but we cant tell because you didnt tell us.
i guess you are not sufficiently concerned about how children are subject to drug abuse ,the point went straight over your head

pete woodley wrote:
Now you know how i feel scrumpy.

dont you have a haunting to go to ?

Its down to parenting you do the best you can,you certainly dont start by spouting off insults at anyone that does not fit into your ideal world.What more do you want me to say brought up three children 1 smokes,1 drinks,1 does neither but goes to church every Sunday dont know who on the worst drug but you will tell me no doubt

retry69 wrote:
Its down to parenting you do the best you can,you certainly dont start by spouting off insults at anyone that does not fit into your ideal world.What more do you want me to say brought up three children 1 smokes,1 drinks,1 does neither but goes to church every Sunday dont know who on the worst drug but you will tell me no doubt

parenting ??? child in womb - drugs in your system ,thats not parenting ,thats just passing your time between dole cheques producing children who have no say in the matter and have no protection against the abuse they are about to be subjected too ,do you find that acceptable ?
i havent insulted anyone - its people like yourself spewing out ill concieved arguments to excuse the actions of very irresponsible and immature people that have got it wrong ,I have never used drugs and drink on rare occassions so i do have the moral high ground and i am going to hold on to it

timeandtide wrote:

retry69 wrote:
Its down to parenting you do the best you can,you certainly dont start by spouting off insults at anyone that does not fit into your ideal world.What more do you want me to say brought up three children 1 smokes,1 drinks,1 does neither but goes to church every Sunday dont know who on the worst drug but you will tell me no doubt

parenting ??? child in womb - drugs in your system ,thats not parenting ,thats just passing your time between dole cheques producing children who have no say in the matter and have no protection against the abuse they are about to be subjected too ,do you find that acceptable ?
i havent insulted anyone - its people like yourself spewing out ill concieved arguments to excuse the actions of very irresponsible and immature people that have got it wrong ,I have never used drugs and drink on rare occassions so i do have the moral high ground and i am going to hold on to it

I can only assume its a full moon or the tide is out,seek help my friend.

Timeandtide,i dont pick on kids,or the disturbed, so your safe.

pete woodley wrote:
Timeandtide,i dont pick on kids,or the disturbed, so your safe.

you couldnt pick your nose ,youre as dangerous as a feather duster

What an awful thing to happen, I know I can't imagine what the poor guy who's lost his son is going through. I would become unhinged if that ever happened to me.
What's happened is an accident.
The lad has undertaken a risky activity - maybe the risk was 1 in 100,000 - maybe that night 100,000 lads like him did what he did, but he was the 1 unfortunate one. If he hadn't have done it, it would still be alive; statistics are no comfort but put it in context with other risks.
Crossing the main road as a pedestrian, eating peanuts for the first time, going on the back of a friend's motorbike - all have a calculable risk based on the number of people that die doing them.
If I was the boy's father I would be pleading for people to take more care crossing the road, get allergy tested by your doctor, or wear a helmet or stay off motorbikes.
It makes complete sense for someone who's lost a son to tell people not to do what killed him, for him the time to rationalise the vast and ageless topic of drug use has passed - it doesn't matter, and I wouldn't even attempt to bring up any points countering it in his presence or even anywhere close to it such as this forum To do so is grossly unsympathetic and inhumane, it's for another time and place.
For the moment,I can just hope he finds some peace and can hold onto the love he has and will always have for him.
If you're wearing a hat I would politely suggest you take it off.

I am constantly amazed, and angered, by the detritus that always surrounds this type of event.
An ADULT, (as all over the age of 18 years are in the 'eyes' of our society), commits several, criminal offences.
Due to the outcome/conclusion/r
esult of commiting those offences, the responses from some people are, quite frankly, the reason our society is in such a mess!
Two examples for contemplation:
A) An 18yr old man, having taken illegal substances, breaks into a house looking for items that he can sell to buy more. He's confronted by the old man who lives there; who fought in the War and worked his whole life in order to provide for his wife and kids. The drugged-up man, in either rage or panic, shoves the frail, 89yr old ex-soldier causing him to fall, hitting his head on the way down. The 'druggie' runs off. The old man dies.
B) An 18yr old man, having taken illegal substances, is playing(?) in a 'kids' skate-park. Due to the resulting effects that these have on the man's body he ends up dying at the skate-park where children are have fun on their boards or skates.

Adult 'A' is vilified in the local press and by the old soldiers family and friends. Everybody hearing about the incident is disgusted and some even call for the re-introduction of the Death Penalty.
Flowers are left outside the the decorated, war hero's home.

Adult 'B' gets a mention in his local newspaper, too.
(Incidently, I am not going to say a single, derogatory word about the actions of his Dad. That poor man is grieving the loss of his son. In no way at all, when that guy first held his baby boy, could he have imagined, predicted or wanted to lose him in the manner he has. No parent ever wants to lose a child, regardless of the age, actions or cause.)
The actions and responses from others, however, is in vast contrast to that which Adult 'B' received.
The flowers that are laid down are for the 'druggie'!
(I'm using the exact same word for both as it describes a person who takes illegal substances.)
'B' also gets alcohol and cigarettes left at the scene by some of the children who used the skate-park where this adult died! (I'm not even going to start on that!) There's also talk of a BENCH being placed there.

The majority of the comments being left here, though, are not about law-breaking criminals....it's become, as usual, a debate about different types of drugs, the varying effects, which of them can be taken safely - if you're careful and follow certain 'rules of use' and the old nuggets regarding the cigarettes and alcohol.

Why are people still missing the point?

Anybody who advocates breaking the Law, as long as you're very careful when doing it, is directly responsible for the mess that is blighting our communities.
It's completely and utterly irrelevant as to whether or not illegal substances can be taken safely, or if some are on a par with alcohol/cigarettes, or completely harmless in terms of personal health.
THEY ARE ILLEGAL FOR A REASON
There are dozens of aspects that come into consideration when laws are passed. Things are not made illegal only on the basis of the harm that would be caused to the individual concerned. Murder is illegal. Not because the killer might hurt themselves whilst doing it. Raped is illegal, again not because the man might bruise his John Thomas in the proccess. Theft, Arson, Fraud, Bomb- Making, Gun Ownership, Kidnapping, Paedophilia.....the list is endless of a whole bunch of stuff that's against the Law but has nothing whatsoever to do with the would-be criminals personal safety if he doesn't educate himself on how to be 'carefully commit crime.
For all the parents that lose a child it is profoundly tragic, but for it to be socially acceptable to lay flowers and erect memorials; benches and the like; in memory of a criminal who died as a direct result of commiting a crime is the part that I find most tragic.
How many of you out there would stick a bench up, surrounded by flowers, booze and fags, in memory of a person who died as a result of bombing a daycare centre? How many of you would be getting your knickers in a twist and bleating about how some types of explosive are perfectly safe if you learn how to use them properly?
Some of you out there will no doubt be coming back at what I've written with a bunch of retorts that are equally as stupid. Angrily informing me that this poor lad was a really lovely guy and has never hurt anybody in his life. Just before you do, think;
Is his Dad not hurting right now?
Are the children who knew him not hurting?
Has he not hurt the families of those who are burgled and robbed by other junkies? He was party to the demand that facilitates the set up of a supply.
Stop sending out the message to our kids, that it's ok to take drugs as long as they're careful. Stop telling our young boys and girls it's ok to be a criminal, as long as you're nice to your mates and good to your Mums and Dads. Stop giving them the belief that if you're always smiling and laughing then it's acceptable to stick two fingers up at Societys efforts to maintain order.
Yes, some crimes that are committed are horrendous and most are vastly more damaging than a young man smoking a bit of cannabis. (Or whatever it was.)
This young persons death is tragic. I feel for his family and others that loved him. It sounds by all accounts that he was well liked by a lot of people.
It may well turn out that the drugs played only a tiny part - or none at all - in his death. The main issue that I'm trying to highlight is that every adult has a responsibility to teach every child, whether related or not, that rules are there for a reason. That reason is so that everybody gets the opportunity to live in a safe and secure environment. It is not exceptable to do nothing while standards slip faster and faster in a downwards spiral.
Sending out the message that it's fine for drugs to be taken in what is essentially a kids play area, is disgusting.
To then compound the issue by providing the children with alcohol and cigarettes to leave at the same play area is incredible.
Is anybody going to stand there and make sure that even younger kids accompanying older siblings etc don't gain access to these items?
The young man's Dad is trying, in the midst of his grief and pain, to get across the message to youngsters to say "No, no, no," to drugs and the repercussions that may come hand in hand.
Other adult are providing vodka and 'Royals'.













































Both 'A' and 'B' are in the paper due only to the outcome of their original, criminal actions.