MP Conor Burns: hurry up on NHS reforms (From Thisisdorset)
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MP Conor Burns: hurry up on NHS reforms
6:30pm Monday 13th February 2012 in Latest By
Conor Burns
A BOURNEMOUTH MP says the sooner the NHS reforms go through Parliament and receive royal assent the better.
The controversial bill is aimed at overhauling the NHS in England and putting GPs in control of much of its budget and encouraging greater competition with the private sector.
Yesterday it emerged Conservative Cabinet members have “rung the alarm bell” about the reforms with one comparing it to the poll tax.
But Conor Burns, Conservative MP for Bournemouth West, said he was “bitterly disappointed” it has become a “political football” with people trying to secure political points.
“We all want a patient-responsive health service that puts the needs of patients first. The sooner this bill completes its parliamentary progress, gets Royal Ascent and goes into the statutory book the sooner patients and those working in the NHS with have certainty and stability.”
He added that with Primary Care Trusts in the process of winding down, the changes are “beyond the point of no return”.
Comments(44)
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Edwinton
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7:15pm Mon 13 Feb 12
How about the Government setting a good example by releasing the risk assessment on their NHS reforms.
How about the Government setting a good example by obeying the FOI Commissioner's order to do so.
What you got to hide eh?
Bob49
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7:23pm Mon 13 Feb 12
A private company has to put the needs of it's shareholders first. That's why it was set up and that is it's purpose.
So we have to wonder how far into that sort of money-responsive behaviour Mr Burns is as he rather sounds like a pig impatient for the trough to be filled up again.
fartycat
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7:46pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Pandasfromhell
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8:18pm Mon 13 Feb 12
Bluestew
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9:18pm Mon 13 Feb 12
ldc
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9:59pm Mon 13 Feb 12
wintonwizard
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11:27pm Mon 13 Feb 12
afcbmendes10
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1:00am Tue 14 Feb 12
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In a paper published in the Lancet, Nick Black, professor of health services research at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said that although the health secretary, Andrew Lansley, claimed NHS productivity had fallen 15%, the opposite was almost certainly the case.
"Despite such confident statements, rather than declining, the productivity of the NHS has probably improved over the past decade," Black said. "To justify the reforms to the NHS that the Conservative party wanted to introduce, the claim of declining NHS productivity was necessary." very interesting indeed
kls192
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1:54am Tue 14 Feb 12
Nick68
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7:30am Tue 14 Feb 12
There is no mandate for the plan to break up the NHS (because that is what Mr Burns actually wants) and move, in time, to an American-style system where the ability to pay fabulous sums for health insurance or the credit limit on your card will determine what care you receive.
How much do you want us to have to pay to visit the doctor, Mr Burns?
Tango Charlie
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8:06am Tue 14 Feb 12
Who was it who said “There will be NO top down reforms”. Oh yes, Mr. Cameron.!
Lies, **** lies and politicians…
Who else would change care from a non-profit making organisation to one who needs to satisfy shareholders? Probably someone with their hand already in the pot!
The NHS may be inefficient, but that is because it is chasing countless meaningless targets laid down by ill-informed quangos.
My vision of the future of the NHS.
Caller; “Hello I need an ambulance!”
Operator; “One moment, we’ll put it out to tender now, it will be with you in 5 weeks”
Gordon Cann
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9:00am Tue 14 Feb 12
Comment of the Socialist Worker or Bournemouth West Labour Party ?
No- but the comment, in January, of the House of Commons Health Select Committee with a Government majority and chaired by Stephen Dorrell,former Conservative Health Secretary.
live-and-let-live
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9:23am Tue 14 Feb 12
Gordon Cann
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9:32am Tue 14 Feb 12
*Fiona*
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9:52am Tue 14 Feb 12
fartycat wrote:Yes Conor is very rude he lacks adequate skill in communication and he's immature (he is on par with the ousted Bmth leader Peter Charon in that respect).
I've written to my MP Mr Burns twice about the NHS reforms. His replies are astounding in the complacency and sheer arrogance on display not to mention his arch-Thatcherite belief in the market dogma. This Government does not have a mandate to privatise our NHS and this will be their Poll Tax moment.
Believe me he 'wasnt' like that when vying for selection at Bournemouth West Conservative Assoc. he was very polite and courteous and espousing staunch membership of various humanitarian groups.
He said he was a paid up member of the mental health charity Mind,a supporter of Sure Start.
Apparentlyhe had undertaken all sorts of work for the needy building facilities for vulnerable people etc etc.
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Totally SHOCKING that he said all that just to look good on his CV so he could get selected.
I fell for the bull***t.
He looked the part of a compassionate Conservative so I assumed he was the part.
He's a bit of an oddball and fanatically obsessed with Lady Thatcher.
I dont like him or trust him he is, I believe, a classic narcissist strange guy out of touch with the people ,egotistical odd and is sycophantically sucking up to Cameron 24/7.
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I do partially agree about the NHS though.
Its too late to back out now especially as the PCT's have wound down so dramatically.
*Fiona*
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9:52am Tue 14 Feb 12
fartycat wrote:Yes Conor is very rude he lacks adequate skill in communication and he's immature (he is on par with the ousted Bmth leader Peter Charon in that respect).
I've written to my MP Mr Burns twice about the NHS reforms. His replies are astounding in the complacency and sheer arrogance on display not to mention his arch-Thatcherite belief in the market dogma. This Government does not have a mandate to privatise our NHS and this will be their Poll Tax moment.
Believe me he 'wasnt' like that when vying for selection at Bournemouth West Conservative Assoc. he was very polite and courteous and espousing staunch membership of various humanitarian groups.
He said he was a paid up member of the mental health charity Mind,a supporter of Sure Start.
Apparentlyhe had undertaken all sorts of work for the needy building facilities for vulnerable people etc etc.
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Totally SHOCKING that he said all that just to look good on his CV so he could get selected.
I fell for the bull***t.
He looked the part of a compassionate Conservative so I assumed he was the part.
He's a bit of an oddball and fanatically obsessed with Lady Thatcher.
I dont like him or trust him he is, I believe, a classic narcissist strange guy out of touch with the people ,egotistical odd and is sycophantically sucking up to Cameron 24/7.
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I do partially agree about the NHS though.
Its too late to back out now especially as the PCT's have wound down so dramatically.
*Fiona*
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9:58am Tue 14 Feb 12
Can the Daily Echo please telephone him and ask?
TheDistrict
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9:59am Tue 14 Feb 12
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The Liberal
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10:00am Tue 14 Feb 12
fartycat
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10:05am Tue 14 Feb 12
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Getting rid of bureaucracy again is a great idea. But what this bill has now done is centralise a whole swathe of local services.
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Andrew Lansley says one thing but is in reality setting up something completely different. And if you really are a Tory I'd be very worried. This was exactly how the Poll Tax came into existence - a Government desperate to pass the bill, watered it down to such an extent that it's real intentions became lost.
*Fiona*
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10:18am Tue 14 Feb 12
fartycat wrote:Just to clarify..
Fiona, I don't think you'll find many people who disagree with the principles behind the NHS bill. GP commissioning would be good providing that it really is GP commissioning. What we'll get though is large private companies doing this on behalf of GP's and skimming off profit.
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Getting rid of bureaucracy again is a great idea. But what this bill has now done is centralise a whole swathe of local services.
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Andrew Lansley says one thing but is in reality setting up something completely different. And if you really are a Tory I'd be very worried. This was exactly how the Poll Tax came into existence - a Government desperate to pass the bill, watered it down to such an extent that it's real intentions became lost.
Im not a Tory anymore.
To be a member of a political party means selling your soul and giving away your better judgement in order to sing the party tune.
Conor Burns will happily sell his soul because I dont think he really has one :)
live-and-let-live
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10:23am Tue 14 Feb 12
*Fiona*
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10:24am Tue 14 Feb 12
TheDistrict wrote:If you feel strongly enough why not write to the president of Bournemouth West Conservative Association and complain about him.
After recent meetings with Conor Burns, and no response to correspondence, I am inclined to agree with Fiona above, although in the past I have supported Conor Burns. Again because of recent communication, I am reluctant to give him the time of day now.
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If enough Tory voters call for him to resign they will have to consider de-selecting him.
The Assoc has already had a couple of letters of complaint.
Bournemouth West Conservative Association.
135 Hankinson Rd Bournemouth.
Edwinton
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10:31am Tue 14 Feb 12
*Fiona*
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11:01am Tue 14 Feb 12
Im referring to a specific NHS area-mental health provision where state provision is very sub-standard.
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I previously supported the Save Our NHS campaign but have since changed my mind.
I speak from my own personal experience as a publicly elected governor for Dorset Healthcare NHS Trust (which is a mental health & learning disability NHS Trust)
The NHS is often structured around the convenience of the people working there and the ego needs of the board of directors not the real needs of people who are service users/patients.
Unfortunately there tends to be an overfocus on meeting targets at the expense of meeting (moral) objectives.
Statistics and events are massaged and swept under the carpet in order to achieve their much touted awards for excellence.
People opposing the reforms need to realize the system NEEDS to change & there needs to be a readiness for change not an entrenched resistance.
We are all living in a consumerist age with a savy informed internet generation who have high expectations and unlike his generation they feel no historical allegiance to the NHS.
These new reforms will mean
any mental health service provider, including private companies, will be able to take on state contracts as long as they are able to provide them at comparable prices.
The reforms could potentially usher in a golden era of patient led and designed services,in theory, the proposed reforms could mean vulnerable individuals will be offered more opportunities to exercise genuine choice & voice their opinions on what matters to them.
Ultimately they may lead to the development of more effective respectful and humane mental health services.
Gordon Cann
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11:41am Tue 14 Feb 12
That to me is the fundamental point.
ldc
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7:02pm Tue 14 Feb 12
live-and-let-live wrote:Think you mis read the report there it is 2nd most effective in world. Not 3rd world.
todays NHS hospitals are 3rd world. they need to change.
ldc
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7:05pm Tue 14 Feb 12
live-and-let-live wrote:Is that you Mr Lansley - or just somebody who misunderstands the Bill? The line about BMA being against NHS in 40's is rubbish (although they did get money), have you seen the organisations opposing this Bill. And who the hell told you no one would be left untreated like in usa, you have been duped by mainstream media me thinks.
when the NHS was formed many years ago, most doctors were totally against it because they thought they would lose money. todays doctors, gp's etc are they same. they dont want to lose their easy life. todays doctors dont do out of hours call outs any more. that tedious job is left to others, mostly foreign doctors. the NHS needs to be reformed. no one will be untreated for lack of money as happens in usa. but we might get better care, and that is good.
*Fiona*
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8:44pm Tue 14 Feb 12
Gordon Cann wrote:All NHS Trusts are already in a market led health economy as they were all forced to become Foundation Trusts a few years ago so I dont think that will be a major problem.
Will Fiona or any one else please explain how the NHS, as we now know it, will provide a fair service if the cap on private income the NHS hospitals can generate from the private patients will be raised from 2 or 3 per cent to 50 per cent.Surely that will mean that half of NHS beds and services will be given over to private patients putting other NHS patients to the back of the queue.
That to me is the fundamental point.
I hate to admit it but Im actually with Conor Burns on this one.
Camerons NHS reforms should be pushed through asap -it needs to be done.
There will be problems but once its done it will sort its self out.
ldc
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8:56pm Tue 14 Feb 12
*Fiona* wrote:Do you fiona or indeed Mr Burns even know the contents of the health and social care bill. Apologies but I am shocked by your "get it through" then rely on blind foolish optimism to " sort outself out". And haven't FT's been a roaring success - not, and that is one minor change you think the large corporations won't do the same here as they did in USA? On what do you base this prophecy?
Gordon Cann wrote:All NHS Trusts are already in a market led health economy as they were all forced to become Foundation Trusts a few years ago so I dont think that will be a major problem.
Will Fiona or any one else please explain how the NHS, as we now know it, will provide a fair service if the cap on private income the NHS hospitals can generate from the private patients will be raised from 2 or 3 per cent to 50 per cent.Surely that will mean that half of NHS beds and services will be given over to private patients putting other NHS patients to the back of the queue.
That to me is the fundamental point.
I hate to admit it but Im actually with Conor Burns on this one.
Camerons NHS reforms should be pushed through asap -it needs to be done.
There will be problems but once its done it will sort its self out.
live-and-let-live
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9:41pm Tue 14 Feb 12
ldc wrote:the 2nd most effective in neglecting and killing the elderly
live-and-let-live wrote: todays NHS hospitals are 3rd world. they need to change.Think you mis read the report there it is 2nd most effective in world. Not 3rd world.
Bob49
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1:29pm Wed 15 Feb 12
I presume you have verifiable evidence of this - or perhaps you have Fiona's view on things. Put up something ridiculous and hope that somehow it will be right.
The NHS works. What it doesn't do is allow many big companies to make themselves rich at the expense of people's health. That so many bodies representing those working in health oppose this hand over should tell you far more than a couple of zealots who appear to spend their time trawling Fox News websites.
*Fiona*
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5:27pm Wed 15 Feb 12
live-and-let-live wrote:They are powerful groups and have a strongly vested interest in maintaining the status quo.
when the NHS was formed many years ago, most doctors were totally against it because they thought they would lose money. todays doctors, gp's etc are they same. they dont want to lose their easy life. todays doctors dont do out of hours call outs any more. that tedious job is left to others, mostly foreign doctors. the NHS needs to be reformed. no one will be untreated for lack of money as happens in usa. but we might get better care, and that is good.
I admire David Cameron for standing up to them.
Square Old Codger
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2:07pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Gordon Cann wrote:I did, and this Government are taking all their "Ideas" from the Tea Parties extreme agenda too. I have just been reading my Doctor's Monthly News Letter - it lists a whole range of procedures that will no longer be available on the NHS, lists others where the bar is being raised - you will have to be nearly totally blind now in both eye before action is taken to remove cataracts is just one example. NHS Hospitals to take up to 49% private operations another. 30% of GP Practices now owned by big Health Providers ( largely American, who can see mega bucks to be made)so it goes on. After they finish their "Gerrymandering" and the UK breaks up - we are going to be stuck with them for ever, not a Happy thought..
I wonder how many contributors watched last nights Panorama on BBC which showed how in the richest country in the world millions of American citizens have no health care and where thousands have no homes and live in tents in woods
Square Old Codger
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2:07pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Gordon Cann wrote:I did, and this Government are taking all their "Ideas" from the Tea Parties extreme agenda too. I have just been reading my Doctor's Monthly News Letter - it lists a whole range of procedures that will no longer be available on the NHS, lists others where the bar is being raised - you will have to be nearly totally blind now in both eye before action is taken to remove cataracts is just one example. NHS Hospitals to take up to 49% private operations another. 30% of GP Practices now owned by big Health Providers ( largely American, who can see mega bucks to be made)so it goes on. After they finish their "Gerrymandering" and the UK breaks up - we are going to be stuck with them for ever, not a Happy thought..
I wonder how many contributors watched last nights Panorama on BBC which showed how in the richest country in the world millions of American citizens have no health care and where thousands have no homes and live in tents in woods
Gordon Cann
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12:53pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Are the people of this country again asleep as to what is happening?
Perhaps 'Fiona' will respond to the points well put by a contributor above my last comment
Bob49
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1:43pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Yes, providing health care not providing profits for shareholders.
Odd that Fiona should claim association with a Trust that will be swept away by this handover to FOR PROFIT organisations.
Still, as Fiona would have we will all be free to choose the level and place for our health care. Perhaps she might however care to look in her purse, then see how free she will be.
Gordon Cann
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3:29pm Fri 17 Feb 12
i dont like either of them, not as individuals, as I have never met either of them , but for what kind of society they seem to represent.
I belleve in a society where all people have equal access to the best medical care; that principle I believe will over time be lost if NHS Trusts can permit nearly half of their
beds and sercvices to be open to private fee payng patients.
*Fiona*
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8:15pm Fri 17 Feb 12
Its no that I "like" David Cameron.
I just happen to agree with him that the NHS needs reforming.
dd9andy
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9:49pm Sat 18 Feb 12
dd9andy
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9:51pm Sat 18 Feb 12
Edwinton wrote:How about the Government setting a good example by releasing the risk assessment on their NHS reforms.
I didn't elect you to rush through the privatisation of the NHS, thought your illustrious leader pledged to protect the NHS?
How about the Government setting a good example by releasing the risk assessment on their NHS reforms.
How about the Government setting a good example by obeying the FOI Commissioner's order to do so.
What you got to hide eh?
How about the Government setting a good example by obeying the FOI Commissioner's order to do so.
What you got to hide eh?
Gordon Cann
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7:27am Sun 19 Feb 12
So why does not Conor Burns not
round off this debate, which has so far attracted 43 entries and tell us why this information has not been published .or even better reply to the letter PUBLISHED over my name on Thursday regarding raising the cap on income from private patients in NHS nospitals
Failing that why not a response from one of the 6 or more MPs in this area. who have just has a weeks holiday
This is not about the drains in Pokesdown or anywhere else but about somethng which affects everyones life; unless of course they do not depend on the NHS for medical care abd treatment
Ms have just had a weeks break- time enough to join the debate
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