Fury as MP tells teachers: don't strike, you're lucky you have a job (From Thisisdorset)

Edna Cheese (Mrs) wrote:
Hear Hear. Well done Desmond. They should be ashamed if they go on strike. Probably summer term. Monday or Friday.

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

logic subroutine wrote:
Could not agree more. I've not had a pay rise for 6 years now, times have been tough where I work, but I am grateful that my MD has kept things going and we all still have a job!

Teachers are not special. We all contribute to the sum total of the countries future. Do your job like the rest of us.

I worry about the children being taught by people with such a skewed view of reality...

sea poole wrote:
Interesting that most comments talk about security of the teaching profession- there's a considerable number of redundancies being made within the profession, based on shrinking school budgets...and for those of you who are envious of the 'long holidays' and relatively short 'working week' why not swallow your envy and join the ranks of the profession- it's obviously causing you so much jealousy...

Bohochic72 wrote:
Having worked as a teacher for the last twenty years, I still find it astonishing that we're apparently allowed the same number of weeks off that our students have. I could start on the posters but, have you actually tried teaching someone?

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

High Treason wrote:

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

I wonder how many of you would cope with a school trip to The Somme, not once but every year, time after time. The pupils learn the facts at school but try coping with dozens of pupils weeping at the reality of it all. Probably the first time in their lives they realise how others suffered to keep this country free. Row upon row of graves, the quietness and sense of calm. No parents there to console them, just their friends and teachers. Try keeping a watchful eye on them all, ensuring they are safe and supported in their visit. Maybe some of you should pay a visit to The Somme, it may just remove some of the bitterness and jealousy you have. You really haven't a clue.

High Treason wrote:

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote: I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish. The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul! Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much! 50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home! Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

I wonder how many of you would cope with a school trip to The Somme, not once but every year, time after time. The pupils learn the facts at school but try coping with dozens of pupils weeping at the reality of it all. Probably the first time in their lives they realise how others suffered to keep this country free. Row upon row of graves, the quietness and sense of calm. No parents there to console them, just their friends and teachers. Try keeping a watchful eye on them all, ensuring they are safe and supported in their visit. Maybe some of you should pay a visit to The Somme, it may just remove some of the bitterness and jealousy you have. You really haven't a clue.

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

High Treason wrote:

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote: I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish. The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul! Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much! 50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home! Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

I wonder how many of you would cope with a school trip to The Somme, not once but every year, time after time. The pupils learn the facts at school but try coping with dozens of pupils weeping at the reality of it all. Probably the first time in their lives they realise how others suffered to keep this country free. Row upon row of graves, the quietness and sense of calm. No parents there to console them, just their friends and teachers. Try keeping a watchful eye on them all, ensuring they are safe and supported in their visit. Maybe some of you should pay a visit to The Somme, it may just remove some of the bitterness and jealousy you have. You really haven't a clue.

cherrydragon wrote:
I am related to 2 teachers, one a teacher and 1 a headmaster. They do work hard yes, but the MP I am afraid is right. I get paid to work 40 hours a week. I am in sales so sometimes I have to stay away, which I am not paid for...but guess what, the company pays for my transport (same as teachers) pay for my accomodation (same as the teacher) and pay for my meals (oh same as teachers). Some weeks I must work 60 hours to get deals over the line and if we lose it, I do not get anything....it is called life...it is called work. If you do not like your job get another one / talk to your boss like we ALL have to do. Why is public sector so shielded from the reality of it? They would not last 5 minutes as an IT Trainer or a travelling coporate teacher teaching people software etc....I do not understand it. Come on teachers do us all a favour and wake up and smell the coffee, we are work really hard - deal with it!

coypondboy wrote:
I work in the pensions industry and have calculated that most public sector workers receive between 25 and 30% on top of their bloated salaries as contributions from the tax payer to help fund their gold plated pension schemes and as for those who retire early due to stress this figure is even higher. They also get automatic pay rises every year for 7-8 yrs on top of their annual pay rise. Imagine getting that in the private sector.

coypondboy wrote:
I work in the pensions industry and have calculated that most public sector workers receive between 25 and 30% on top of their bloated salaries as contributions from the tax payer to help fund their gold plated pension schemes and as for those who retire early due to stress this figure is even higher. They also get automatic pay rises every year for 7-8 yrs on top of their annual pay rise. Imagine getting that in the private sector.

High Treason wrote:

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

I wonder how many of you would cope with a school trip to The Somme, not once but every year, time after time. The pupils learn the facts at school but try coping with dozens of pupils weeping at the reality of it all. Probably the first time in their lives they realise how others suffered to keep this country free. Row upon row of graves, the quietness and sense of calm. No parents there to console them, just their friends and teachers. Try keeping a watchful eye on them all, ensuring they are safe and supported in their visit. Maybe some of you should pay a visit to The Somme, it may just remove some of the bitterness and jealousy you have. You really haven't a clue.

afcb-loyal wrote:
high Treason if thats the best excuse you can come up with why your job is so hard i rest my case.

Dibbles2 wrote:
I am utterly astounded by comments of jealousy? Where does that come from. British people are fed up of people who get a far better deal than non public sector workers heaping more misery on those that have no option but to work long hours with 4 weeks holiday. People and families who suffer during the holidays due to childcare costs who dont get paid if the schools shut for a day who are scraping together enough money to put food on the dinner table. Those same people who state we chose our lifestyle! Well perhaps some of us are professionals who have hit on hard times and are not jealous or thick but downright fed up! Who dread the next school trip letter that the kids give us, who dont get free school meals, subsidised school trips and all the other benefits that the benefit culture allows. I am constantly hassled by my sons school because he doesnt hand his homework in. Because at his age I dont have the time to sit down with him and help him because I work so bloody hard and yet my son gets punished for this. Now let think why non teaching but working parents are so fed up!

Dibbles2 wrote:
I am utterly astounded by comments of jealousy? Where does that come from. British people are fed up of people who get a far better deal than non public sector workers heaping more misery on those that have no option but to work long hours with 4 weeks holiday. People and families who suffer during the holidays due to childcare costs who dont get paid if the schools shut for a day who are scraping together enough money to put food on the dinner table. Those same people who state we chose our lifestyle! Well perhaps some of us are professionals who have hit on hard times and are not jealous or thick but downright fed up! Who dread the next school trip letter that the kids give us, who dont get free school meals, subsidised school trips and all the other benefits that the benefit culture allows. I am constantly hassled by my sons school because he doesnt hand his homework in. Because at his age I dont have the time to sit down with him and help him because I work so bloody hard and yet my son gets punished for this. Now let think why non teaching but working parents are so fed up!

ctrewyou wrote:

Dibbles2 wrote:
I am utterly astounded by comments of jealousy? Where does that come from. British people are fed up of people who get a far better deal than non public sector workers heaping more misery on those that have no option but to work long hours with 4 weeks holiday. People and families who suffer during the holidays due to childcare costs who dont get paid if the schools shut for a day who are scraping together enough money to put food on the dinner table. Those same people who state we chose our lifestyle! Well perhaps some of us are professionals who have hit on hard times and are not jealous or thick but downright fed up! Who dread the next school trip letter that the kids give us, who dont get free school meals, subsidised school trips and all the other benefits that the benefit culture allows. I am constantly hassled by my sons school because he doesnt hand his homework in. Because at his age I dont have the time to sit down with him and help him because I work so bloody hard and yet my son gets punished for this. Now let think why non teaching but working parents are so fed up!

But it's not the teachers fault you are experiencing the difficulties you describe. But it does suit the government for us to be blaming everyone except the people holding the purse strings. The government, actually does have enough money to pay everyone a decent wage and a pension, but choose instead to reward their banker friends with multi-million pound deals and pensions. But it's easier to have a go at a teacher bankers, who actually have caused the mess we are in, not teachers, or any public sector workers. Yesterday, Barclays reported they paid one of their managers over £17 MILLION as a bonus. How mant teachers salaries would that pay for?

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

Bigman101 wrote:
an original and well thought out answer apm1954, if that is your year of birth are you about to take a nice long holiday?

Bigman101 wrote:
Glad you want people teaching your children/grandchildr

en for 8 more years than you will work for with the exact same thought in their minds, looking after 30 13 year olds and providing a good education at 67 will be positive for the economy

blahblahbleurgh wrote:

ctrewyou wrote:

Dibbles2 wrote:
I am utterly astounded by comments of jealousy? Where does that come from. British people are fed up of people who get a far better deal than non public sector workers heaping more misery on those that have no option but to work long hours with 4 weeks holiday. People and families who suffer during the holidays due to childcare costs who dont get paid if the schools shut for a day who are scraping together enough money to put food on the dinner table. Those same people who state we chose our lifestyle! Well perhaps some of us are professionals who have hit on hard times and are not jealous or thick but downright fed up! Who dread the next school trip letter that the kids give us, who dont get free school meals, subsidised school trips and all the other benefits that the benefit culture allows. I am constantly hassled by my sons school because he doesnt hand his homework in. Because at his age I dont have the time to sit down with him and help him because I work so bloody hard and yet my son gets punished for this. Now let think why non teaching but working parents are so fed up!

But it's not the teachers fault you are experiencing the difficulties you describe. But it does suit the government for us to be blaming everyone except the people holding the purse strings. The government, actually does have enough money to pay everyone a decent wage and a pension, but choose instead to reward their banker friends with multi-million pound deals and pensions. But it's easier to have a go at a teacher bankers, who actually have caused the mess we are in, not teachers, or any public sector workers. Yesterday, Barclays reported they paid one of their managers over £17 MILLION as a bonus. How mant teachers salaries would that pay for?

The government doesnt pay bankers salaries though the banks do. Barclays is independant so they can pay their staff whatever they want however obscene it is

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

afcb-loyal wrote:
Half the teachers at my son and daughters schools are pathetic..
Winton and Glenmoor have slowly gone downhill over the last 10 years promising this and that every time there is a parent evening and in reality it just gets worse.
The kids are in charge not the teachers.
Half are too young for the job and lack experience and are frightened of the kids.
Before all you teacher defenders come on here moaning about my post its true i have had to put up with sh1te teaching for the five years they been there with no change.
Training days, holidays, snow, live in the real world for gods sake.
There are a couple of "old school" teachers there that do not fall in the above category.

Dazed88 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely despicable.

My mother is a teacher, and has been for almost 30 years. The sheer amount of work she does is staggering. Coming home after a day of teaching children with autism & Asperger’s, she then spends, on average, four hours a night planning the next day’s lessons. To say that she is lazy & overpaid is absolutely disgusting. Including planning, she works for roughly 64 hours a week. I have had the pleasure of watching her work and she is inspiring, creative, engaging & kind.
None of you have the faintest idea of what teaching involves – all you see are the long holidays and the supposedly cushy hours. The average person will work 1920 hours a year – a teacher will work, on average, 2560.

Underworked? I don’t think so.

(Also, having a go for snow days? Do you think teachers are in control of the weather?)

ctrewyou wrote:

Dibbles2 wrote:
I am utterly astounded by comments of jealousy? Where does that come from. British people are fed up of people who get a far better deal than non public sector workers heaping more misery on those that have no option but to work long hours with 4 weeks holiday. People and families who suffer during the holidays due to childcare costs who dont get paid if the schools shut for a day who are scraping together enough money to put food on the dinner table. Those same people who state we chose our lifestyle! Well perhaps some of us are professionals who have hit on hard times and are not jealous or thick but downright fed up! Who dread the next school trip letter that the kids give us, who dont get free school meals, subsidised school trips and all the other benefits that the benefit culture allows. I am constantly hassled by my sons school because he doesnt hand his homework in. Because at his age I dont have the time to sit down with him and help him because I work so bloody hard and yet my son gets punished for this. Now let think why non teaching but working parents are so fed up!

But it's not the teachers fault you are experiencing the difficulties you describe. But it does suit the government for us to be blaming everyone except the people holding the purse strings. The government, actually does have enough money to pay everyone a decent wage and a pension, but choose instead to reward their banker friends with multi-million pound deals and pensions. But it's easier to have a go at a teacher bankers, who actually have caused the mess we are in, not teachers, or any public sector workers. Yesterday, Barclays reported they paid one of their managers over £17 MILLION as a bonus. How mant teachers salaries would that pay for?

pauls55 wrote:
I'd like to see how the usual moaners here who really believe all the stereotypes fed to them by right wing rags like the Daily Mail on Teachers and their so called life of luxury would manage facing a class room of children every morning, bet you lot wouldn't last five minutes. Teachers do one of the most valuable jobs possible and deserve respect not the usual trite comments seen here.

sea poole wrote:
Interesting that most comments talk about security of the teaching profession- there's a considerable number of redundancies being made within the profession, based on shrinking school budgets...and for those of you who are envious of the 'long holidays' and relatively short 'working week' why not swallow your envy and join the ranks of the profession- it's obviously causing you so much jealousy...

Dazed88 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely despicable.

My mother is a teacher, and has been for almost 30 years. The sheer amount of work she does is staggering. Coming home after a day of teaching children with autism & Asperger’s, she then spends, on average, four hours a night planning the next day’s lessons. To say that she is lazy & overpaid is absolutely disgusting. Including planning, she works for roughly 64 hours a week. I have had the pleasure of watching her work and she is inspiring, creative, engaging & kind.
None of you have the faintest idea of what teaching involves – all you see are the long holidays and the supposedly cushy hours. The average person will work 1920 hours a year – a teacher will work, on average, 2560.

Underworked? I don’t think so.

(Also, having a go for snow days? Do you think teachers are in control of the weather?)

DrBos1000 wrote:
I agree with him, i have been self employed for 20 years they are lucky to have a job and monthly salary - get on with what you are paid to do

justsayithowitis wrote:

Dazed88 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely despicable.

My mother is a teacher, and has been for almost 30 years. The sheer amount of work she does is staggering. Coming home after a day of teaching children with autism & Asperger’s, she then spends, on average, four hours a night planning the next day’s lessons. To say that she is lazy & overpaid is absolutely disgusting. Including planning, she works for roughly 64 hours a week. I have had the pleasure of watching her work and she is inspiring, creative, engaging & kind.
None of you have the faintest idea of what teaching involves – all you see are the long holidays and the supposedly cushy hours. The average person will work 1920 hours a year – a teacher will work, on average, 2560.

Underworked? I don’t think so.

(Also, having a go for snow days? Do you think teachers are in control of the weather?)

I think you are talking out of your backside. A teacher works over 7 hours a day 365 days a year do they. No weekends off, no holidays and not even Christmas Day off. Rubbish

justsayithowitis wrote:
Dazed88 said average. That is average. It is also a load of rubbish

cherrydragon wrote:
I think the point that is missed here is that for most private sector workers, a strike / refusal to come into work = no job whereas those in the Teaching Profession strike / refusal to come into work = more pay (hopefully) or better conditions.

Trade unions were great for brining much needed equality and equal opportunities to all, for that, we must all be grateful.

But calling a strike in a recession when everyone else is suffering too - I mean it does not take a genius with any qualifications to work out that this is such a poor piece of PR.

Rather than saying that everyone is jealous and know nothing, why not think why people are saying negative things in the first place and perhaps find another way to sort out your issues in your employment.

I do not believe any Teacher or Pro-Strike or Pro-Union person on this board can provide a counter argument to the fact that if any private sector worker goes on strike, we do NOT, I repeat DO NOT get a better deal whilst teachers going on strike have a job to walk back into and usually get a deal. Holding the country's children to ransom over your own pockets / work conditions makes you just as bad as those you are criticising.

At the end of the day, union leaders will still get paid, they are jusifying their jobs by making a strike. The only people that win are the union CEO's - everyone else loses.

enjoy!

The Liberal wrote:

justsayithowitis wrote:

Dazed88 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely despicable.

My mother is a teacher, and has been for almost 30 years. The sheer amount of work she does is staggering. Coming home after a day of teaching children with autism & Asperger’s, she then spends, on average, four hours a night planning the next day’s lessons. To say that she is lazy & overpaid is absolutely disgusting. Including planning, she works for roughly 64 hours a week. I have had the pleasure of watching her work and she is inspiring, creative, engaging & kind.
None of you have the faintest idea of what teaching involves – all you see are the long holidays and the supposedly cushy hours. The average person will work 1920 hours a year – a teacher will work, on average, 2560.

Underworked? I don’t think so.

(Also, having a go for snow days? Do you think teachers are in control of the weather?)

I think you are talking out of your backside. A teacher works over 7 hours a day 365 days a year do they. No weekends off, no holidays and not even Christmas Day off. Rubbish

Who mentioned 365 days a year?
 
64 hours per week x 40 = 2,560.
 
Maybe the other poster was exaggerating a bit, but teachers do a lot more work than most people give them credit for.

Bigman101 wrote:
Interesting that there have only been 2 "anti-teacher" comments since 5pm, and lots of pro teacher ones since, maybe those hard working types have more time on their hands than teachers who actually start to comment when they actually finish their work.

The Liberal wrote:

cherrydragon wrote:
I think the point that is missed here is that for most private sector workers, a strike / refusal to come into work = no job whereas those in the Teaching Profession strike / refusal to come into work = more pay (hopefully) or better conditions.

Trade unions were great for brining much needed equality and equal opportunities to all, for that, we must all be grateful.

But calling a strike in a recession when everyone else is suffering too - I mean it does not take a genius with any qualifications to work out that this is such a poor piece of PR.

Rather than saying that everyone is jealous and know nothing, why not think why people are saying negative things in the first place and perhaps find another way to sort out your issues in your employment.

I do not believe any Teacher or Pro-Strike or Pro-Union person on this board can provide a counter argument to the fact that if any private sector worker goes on strike, we do NOT, I repeat DO NOT get a better deal whilst teachers going on strike have a job to walk back into and usually get a deal. Holding the country's children to ransom over your own pockets / work conditions makes you just as bad as those you are criticising.

At the end of the day, union leaders will still get paid, they are jusifying their jobs by making a strike. The only people that win are the union CEO's - everyone else loses.

enjoy!

You do realise that all employees – not just public sector ones – have a right to take industrial action without fear of being fired? From www.gov.uk:

You can’t be dismissed for industrial action if:
 
- it’s called as a result of a properly organised ballot
 
- it’s about a trade dispute between workers and their employer (eg about your terms and conditions)
 
- a detailed notice about the industrial action (which is legally required) has been given to the employer at least 7 days before it begins

cherrydragon wrote:

The Liberal wrote:

justsayithowitis wrote:

Dazed88 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely despicable.

My mother is a teacher, and has been for almost 30 years. The sheer amount of work she does is staggering. Coming home after a day of teaching children with autism & Asperger’s, she then spends, on average, four hours a night planning the next day’s lessons. To say that she is lazy & overpaid is absolutely disgusting. Including planning, she works for roughly 64 hours a week. I have had the pleasure of watching her work and she is inspiring, creative, engaging & kind.
None of you have the faintest idea of what teaching involves – all you see are the long holidays and the supposedly cushy hours. The average person will work 1920 hours a year – a teacher will work, on average, 2560.

Underworked? I don’t think so.

(Also, having a go for snow days? Do you think teachers are in control of the weather?)

I think you are talking out of your backside. A teacher works over 7 hours a day 365 days a year do they. No weekends off, no holidays and not even Christmas Day off. Rubbish

Who mentioned 365 days a year?
 
64 hours per week x 40 = 2,560.
 
Maybe the other poster was exaggerating a bit, but teachers do a lot more work than most people give them credit for.

I agree with you and agree that it is easy to look at jobs from the outside and pick holes at it.

But surely can you not understand that going on strike from a paid job looking after the nation's future minds and walking back in to the job whilst the nation reels in pain from a recession - surely you are not blind and can see why there is so much upset? This is not a question of standards at all.

It beggars belief how teachers can even consider this. Sure, anyone would sympathise if they were grossly underpaid or having all their jobs cut radically....but this is not the case??

cherrydragon wrote:

The Liberal wrote:

cherrydragon wrote:
I think the point that is missed here is that for most private sector workers, a strike / refusal to come into work = no job whereas those in the Teaching Profession strike / refusal to come into work = more pay (hopefully) or better conditions.

Trade unions were great for brining much needed equality and equal opportunities to all, for that, we must all be grateful.

But calling a strike in a recession when everyone else is suffering too - I mean it does not take a genius with any qualifications to work out that this is such a poor piece of PR.

Rather than saying that everyone is jealous and know nothing, why not think why people are saying negative things in the first place and perhaps find another way to sort out your issues in your employment.

I do not believe any Teacher or Pro-Strike or Pro-Union person on this board can provide a counter argument to the fact that if any private sector worker goes on strike, we do NOT, I repeat DO NOT get a better deal whilst teachers going on strike have a job to walk back into and usually get a deal. Holding the country's children to ransom over your own pockets / work conditions makes you just as bad as those you are criticising.

At the end of the day, union leaders will still get paid, they are jusifying their jobs by making a strike. The only people that win are the union CEO's - everyone else loses.

enjoy!

You do realise that all employees – not just public sector ones – have a right to take industrial action without fear of being fired? From www.gov.uk:

You can’t be dismissed for industrial action if:
 
- it’s called as a result of a properly organised ballot
 
- it’s about a trade dispute between workers and their employer (eg about your terms and conditions)
 
- a detailed notice about the industrial action (which is legally required) has been given to the employer at least 7 days before it begins

Sorry Liberal, but the reality is, that although this maybe the case officially, it does not work like that in reality. It just doesn't as not many private sector jobs have a monopoly on talent nor do most private sector jobs conduct a service that if I went on strike, would cripple the nation.

The teaching profession does however have far more ramifications when on strike then the vast majority of private sector roles.

The Liberal wrote:

cherrydragon wrote:

The Liberal wrote:

justsayithowitis wrote:

Dazed88 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely despicable.

My mother is a teacher, and has been for almost 30 years. The sheer amount of work she does is staggering. Coming home after a day of teaching children with autism & Asperger’s, she then spends, on average, four hours a night planning the next day’s lessons. To say that she is lazy & overpaid is absolutely disgusting. Including planning, she works for roughly 64 hours a week. I have had the pleasure of watching her work and she is inspiring, creative, engaging & kind.
None of you have the faintest idea of what teaching involves – all you see are the long holidays and the supposedly cushy hours. The average person will work 1920 hours a year – a teacher will work, on average, 2560.

Underworked? I don’t think so.

(Also, having a go for snow days? Do you think teachers are in control of the weather?)

I think you are talking out of your backside. A teacher works over 7 hours a day 365 days a year do they. No weekends off, no holidays and not even Christmas Day off. Rubbish

Who mentioned 365 days a year?
 
64 hours per week x 40 = 2,560.
 
Maybe the other poster was exaggerating a bit, but teachers do a lot more work than most people give them credit for.

I agree with you and agree that it is easy to look at jobs from the outside and pick holes at it.

But surely can you not understand that going on strike from a paid job looking after the nation's future minds and walking back in to the job whilst the nation reels in pain from a recession - surely you are not blind and can see why there is so much upset? This is not a question of standards at all.

It beggars belief how teachers can even consider this. Sure, anyone would sympathise if they were grossly underpaid or having all their jobs cut radically....but this is not the case??

It may be bad PR, but teachers' pension funds have already effectively been raided – not once, but twice. What do you propose they do about the gradual erosion of their pay and conditions? Roll over and have their tummies tickled?

The Liberal wrote:

cherrydragon wrote:

The Liberal wrote:

cherrydragon wrote:
I think the point that is missed here is that for most private sector workers, a strike / refusal to come into work = no job whereas those in the Teaching Profession strike / refusal to come into work = more pay (hopefully) or better conditions.

Trade unions were great for brining much needed equality and equal opportunities to all, for that, we must all be grateful.

But calling a strike in a recession when everyone else is suffering too - I mean it does not take a genius with any qualifications to work out that this is such a poor piece of PR.

Rather than saying that everyone is jealous and know nothing, why not think why people are saying negative things in the first place and perhaps find another way to sort out your issues in your employment.

I do not believe any Teacher or Pro-Strike or Pro-Union person on this board can provide a counter argument to the fact that if any private sector worker goes on strike, we do NOT, I repeat DO NOT get a better deal whilst teachers going on strike have a job to walk back into and usually get a deal. Holding the country's children to ransom over your own pockets / work conditions makes you just as bad as those you are criticising.

At the end of the day, union leaders will still get paid, they are jusifying their jobs by making a strike. The only people that win are the union CEO's - everyone else loses.

enjoy!

You do realise that all employees – not just public sector ones – have a right to take industrial action without fear of being fired? From www.gov.uk:

You can’t be dismissed for industrial action if:
 
- it’s called as a result of a properly organised ballot
 
- it’s about a trade dispute between workers and their employer (eg about your terms and conditions)
 
- a detailed notice about the industrial action (which is legally required) has been given to the employer at least 7 days before it begins

Sorry Liberal, but the reality is, that although this maybe the case officially, it does not work like that in reality. It just doesn't as not many private sector jobs have a monopoly on talent nor do most private sector jobs conduct a service that if I went on strike, would cripple the nation.

The teaching profession does however have far more ramifications when on strike then the vast majority of private sector roles.

Private sector employees' leverage in this respect may indeed be weaker. I was merely pointing out that it is illegal to dismiss someone for taking industrial action, so your original claim that someone in the private sector would be fired was false.

skydriver wrote:
Come the next election he may well not have a job, so I suggest he keep stumm.
The reason these teachers are up in arms is because of what this government has been doing to the working folk. There pension pots are very well secure, so much so they are having a pensions holiday, although that doesn't get mentioned very much.
Good on you teachers I support you 100%.

cherrydragon wrote:

skydriver wrote:
Come the next election he may well not have a job, so I suggest he keep stumm.
The reason these teachers are up in arms is because of what this government has been doing to the working folk. There pension pots are very well secure, so much so they are having a pensions holiday, although that doesn't get mentioned very much.
Good on you teachers I support you 100%.

The government always screws over people - but I will never be convinced striking is the option when dealing with such a valuable asset as educating our children.
Sorry.

And you are right, I better stop commenting or I will lose my job today! :-O

The Liberal wrote:

cherrydragon wrote:

skydriver wrote:
Come the next election he may well not have a job, so I suggest he keep stumm.
The reason these teachers are up in arms is because of what this government has been doing to the working folk. There pension pots are very well secure, so much so they are having a pensions holiday, although that doesn't get mentioned very much.
Good on you teachers I support you 100%.

The government always screws over people - but I will never be convinced striking is the option when dealing with such a valuable asset as educating our children.
Sorry.

And you are right, I better stop commenting or I will lose my job today! :-O

It's a last resort, because Mr Gove won't engage in genuine dialogue with the teachers.

The Liberal wrote:

justsayithowitis wrote:
Dazed88 said average. That is average. It is also a load of rubbish

Pardon? What's it got to do with averages? It seems to me that you set up a straw-man argument of teachers working 365 a year (no one else claimed that) just so you could rubbish it.
 
If that's your idea of 'just saying it how it is', good luck to you.

cherrydragon wrote:

The Liberal wrote:

cherrydragon wrote:

skydriver wrote:
Come the next election he may well not have a job, so I suggest he keep stumm.
The reason these teachers are up in arms is because of what this government has been doing to the working folk. There pension pots are very well secure, so much so they are having a pensions holiday, although that doesn't get mentioned very much.
Good on you teachers I support you 100%.

The government always screws over people - but I will never be convinced striking is the option when dealing with such a valuable asset as educating our children.
Sorry.

And you are right, I better stop commenting or I will lose my job today! :-O

It's a last resort, because Mr Gove won't engage in genuine dialogue with the teachers.

Yes, I agree with you there. I do think Mr Grove should be receiving the heat because in affect, he is ultimately at the top of the pyramid - anger should really be directed at him....his staff effectively are revolting against him, what a shambles. Maybe the question that I should ask is WHY do teachers feel the need to strike?

justsayithowitis wrote:

Dazed88 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely despicable.

My mother is a teacher, and has been for almost 30 years. The sheer amount of work she does is staggering. Coming home after a day of teaching children with autism & Asperger’s, she then spends, on average, four hours a night planning the next day’s lessons. To say that she is lazy & overpaid is absolutely disgusting. Including planning, she works for roughly 64 hours a week. I have had the pleasure of watching her work and she is inspiring, creative, engaging & kind.
None of you have the faintest idea of what teaching involves – all you see are the long holidays and the supposedly cushy hours. The average person will work 1920 hours a year – a teacher will work, on average, 2560.

Underworked? I don’t think so.

(Also, having a go for snow days? Do you think teachers are in control of the weather?)

I think you are talking out of your backside. A teacher works over 7 hours a day 365 days a year do they. No weekends off, no holidays and not even Christmas Day off. Rubbish

Herbert Austin wrote:

logic subroutine wrote:
Could not agree more. I've not had a pay rise for 6 years now, times have been tough where I work, but I am grateful that my MD has kept things going and we all still have a job!

Teachers are not special. We all contribute to the sum total of the countries future. Do your job like the rest of us.

I worry about the children being taught by people with such a skewed view of reality...

Those who do not move do not notice their chains. Luxemberg.

EGHH wrote:
Typical Tory MP attitude to the workers of Britain. Cameron has taken Britain back to the age of Dickens. What next? Workhouses?

chrisii1991 wrote:
He is right though

sezzler wrote:

justsayithowitis wrote:

Dazed88 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely despicable.

My mother is a teacher, and has been for almost 30 years. The sheer amount of work she does is staggering. Coming home after a day of teaching children with autism & Asperger’s, she then spends, on average, four hours a night planning the next day’s lessons. To say that she is lazy & overpaid is absolutely disgusting. Including planning, she works for roughly 64 hours a week. I have had the pleasure of watching her work and she is inspiring, creative, engaging & kind.
None of you have the faintest idea of what teaching involves – all you see are the long holidays and the supposedly cushy hours. The average person will work 1920 hours a year – a teacher will work, on average, 2560.

Underworked? I don’t think so.

(Also, having a go for snow days? Do you think teachers are in control of the weather?)

I think you are talking out of your backside. A teacher works over 7 hours a day 365 days a year do they. No weekends off, no holidays and not even Christmas Day off. Rubbish

7 hours a day? I wish- more like 11! Perhaps only 3-5 hours per day at the weekend- unless reports time or end of unit marking.

The Liberal wrote:
Is Swayne implying that if he had his way, he'd do away with state education and they'd all be out of a job? Sounds like it.

The Liberal wrote:

cherrydragon wrote:

The Liberal wrote:

justsayithowitis wrote:

Dazed88 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely despicable.

My mother is a teacher, and has been for almost 30 years. The sheer amount of work she does is staggering. Coming home after a day of teaching children with autism & Asperger’s, she then spends, on average, four hours a night planning the next day’s lessons. To say that she is lazy & overpaid is absolutely disgusting. Including planning, she works for roughly 64 hours a week. I have had the pleasure of watching her work and she is inspiring, creative, engaging & kind.
None of you have the faintest idea of what teaching involves – all you see are the long holidays and the supposedly cushy hours. The average person will work 1920 hours a year – a teacher will work, on average, 2560.

Underworked? I don’t think so.

(Also, having a go for snow days? Do you think teachers are in control of the weather?)

I think you are talking out of your backside. A teacher works over 7 hours a day 365 days a year do they. No weekends off, no holidays and not even Christmas Day off. Rubbish

Who mentioned 365 days a year?
 
64 hours per week x 40 = 2,560.
 
Maybe the other poster was exaggerating a bit, but teachers do a lot more work than most people give them credit for.

I agree with you and agree that it is easy to look at jobs from the outside and pick holes at it.

But surely can you not understand that going on strike from a paid job looking after the nation's future minds and walking back in to the job whilst the nation reels in pain from a recession - surely you are not blind and can see why there is so much upset? This is not a question of standards at all.

It beggars belief how teachers can even consider this. Sure, anyone would sympathise if they were grossly underpaid or having all their jobs cut radically....but this is not the case??

It may be bad PR, but teachers' pension funds have already effectively been raided – not once, but twice. What do you propose they do about the gradual erosion of their pay and conditions? Roll over and have their tummies tickled?

sezzler wrote:

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

We DO pay our own pension. The government contribute to the pension in the same way that many private sector companies do for their employees. By the way, last week I worked over 60 hours- hardly any of it was marking.

goatty wrote:

sezzler wrote:

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

We DO pay our own pension. The government contribute to the pension in the same way that many private sector companies do for their employees. By the way, last week I worked over 60 hours- hardly any of it was marking.

So you admit that the tax payer pays your pension fund. Very nice thank you!
Also you fail to address the 13 weeks holiday, whereas most people enjoy only 4 weeks or 5 if they are lucky!
Also why after weeks and weeks off in the Summer do you need to take a Teachers Training day off the first day of term???
I cannot find any reports of teachers being made redundant or sack for incompetence. Wonder why that is??? Job for life maybe!
I wonder how long teachers would last in the real world...No pay rise, No Government paid pension, 4 weeks holiday, having to go to work when it snows and no chance of being made redundant?

rozmister wrote:
I can't believe the amount of people on here saying they work 50 - 60 hours a week like they deserve a medal. Wake up and realise that plenty of people work way over the 'average working week' of 40 hours these days. People may be contracted for Mon - Fri 9 - 5 but in reality it doesn't work out like that.

Personally I work 52 hours on a really good week but normally closer to 57/58 and going up to as many as 67/68 on a really bad week. I have 2 jobs because I can't afford to live on my main wage (not after I've paid out tax, NI & student loan repayments). My boyfriend has one job but works the same amount of hours. We're both graduates trying to earn enough to live (and earning significantly less than a newly qualified teacher). Most of my class that I graduated with are in the same situation - sitting in the office until late or taking work home to try and make yourself shine so you can get ahead in a sea of fresh graduates.

Oh and I only get 4 weeks of holiday a year. So I do about 2736 hours per year and I can guarantee my take home is less than a teachers.

Life is hard, economic times are hard, it's struggle to live, save and pay into a pension. As much as it pains me to say it 'we're all in this together' (at least all us actual workers are) and striking because you want more when you're in a better position to most and your striking will affect other workers is never going to be popular.

There's such a them and us attitude towards teachers. Teachers often seem to believe they do the most worthwhile hardest job out of everyone and everyone else believes they do nothing. In reality I don't think it's that clear cut but while teachers insist they are the ones doing some kind of miracle work us mere mortals are incapable of they aren't going to win anyone over to their side.

goatty wrote:

sezzler wrote:

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

We DO pay our own pension. The government contribute to the pension in the same way that many private sector companies do for their employees. By the way, last week I worked over 60 hours- hardly any of it was marking.

So you admit that the tax payer pays your pension fund. Very nice thank you!
Also you fail to address the 13 weeks holiday, whereas most people enjoy only 4 weeks or 5 if they are lucky!
Also why after weeks and weeks off in the Summer do you need to take a Teachers Training day off the first day of term???
I cannot find any reports of teachers being made redundant or sack for incompetence. Wonder why that is??? Job for life maybe!
I wonder how long teachers would last in the real world...No pay rise, No Government paid pension, 4 weeks holiday, having to go to work when it snows and no chance of being made redundant?

tinkerten wrote:
Someone commented that teachers are "Intelligent" and that others could not do their job. Are these the same intelligent people that let children play outside, without coats, in freezing conditions ? We see every day 90% of the children of Christchurch Jnr school, playing outside without coats. No wonder the become ill and ate then off school. Pokesdown jnr school even had lunch outside in the rain, during a school trip, that was not organized correctly, by these so called intelligent teachers.

justsayithowitis wrote:

The Liberal wrote:

cherrydragon wrote:

The Liberal wrote:

justsayithowitis wrote:

Dazed88 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely despicable.

My mother is a teacher, and has been for almost 30 years. The sheer amount of work she does is staggering. Coming home after a day of teaching children with autism & Asperger’s, she then spends, on average, four hours a night planning the next day’s lessons. To say that she is lazy & overpaid is absolutely disgusting. Including planning, she works for roughly 64 hours a week. I have had the pleasure of watching her work and she is inspiring, creative, engaging & kind.
None of you have the faintest idea of what teaching involves – all you see are the long holidays and the supposedly cushy hours. The average person will work 1920 hours a year – a teacher will work, on average, 2560.

Underworked? I don’t think so.

(Also, having a go for snow days? Do you think teachers are in control of the weather?)

I think you are talking out of your backside. A teacher works over 7 hours a day 365 days a year do they. No weekends off, no holidays and not even Christmas Day off. Rubbish

Who mentioned 365 days a year?
 
64 hours per week x 40 = 2,560.
 
Maybe the other poster was exaggerating a bit, but teachers do a lot more work than most people give them credit for.

I agree with you and agree that it is easy to look at jobs from the outside and pick holes at it.

But surely can you not understand that going on strike from a paid job looking after the nation's future minds and walking back in to the job whilst the nation reels in pain from a recession - surely you are not blind and can see why there is so much upset? This is not a question of standards at all.

It beggars belief how teachers can even consider this. Sure, anyone would sympathise if they were grossly underpaid or having all their jobs cut radically....but this is not the case??

It may be bad PR, but teachers' pension funds have already effectively been raided – not once, but twice. What do you propose they do about the gradual erosion of their pay and conditions? Roll over and have their tummies tickled?

This is the same for everyone. Times are hard. Why shouldn't you be treated the same as everyone else

sezzler wrote:

justsayithowitis wrote:

The Liberal wrote:

cherrydragon wrote:

The Liberal wrote:

justsayithowitis wrote:

Dazed88 wrote:
Some of the comments on here are absolutely despicable.

My mother is a teacher, and has been for almost 30 years. The sheer amount of work she does is staggering. Coming home after a day of teaching children with autism & Asperger’s, she then spends, on average, four hours a night planning the next day’s lessons. To say that she is lazy & overpaid is absolutely disgusting. Including planning, she works for roughly 64 hours a week. I have had the pleasure of watching her work and she is inspiring, creative, engaging & kind.
None of you have the faintest idea of what teaching involves – all you see are the long holidays and the supposedly cushy hours. The average person will work 1920 hours a year – a teacher will work, on average, 2560.

Underworked? I don’t think so.

(Also, having a go for snow days? Do you think teachers are in control of the weather?)

I think you are talking out of your backside. A teacher works over 7 hours a day 365 days a year do they. No weekends off, no holidays and not even Christmas Day off. Rubbish

Who mentioned 365 days a year?
 
64 hours per week x 40 = 2,560.
 
Maybe the other poster was exaggerating a bit, but teachers do a lot more work than most people give them credit for.

I agree with you and agree that it is easy to look at jobs from the outside and pick holes at it.

But surely can you not understand that going on strike from a paid job looking after the nation's future minds and walking back in to the job whilst the nation reels in pain from a recession - surely you are not blind and can see why there is so much upset? This is not a question of standards at all.

It beggars belief how teachers can even consider this. Sure, anyone would sympathise if they were grossly underpaid or having all their jobs cut radically....but this is not the case??

It may be bad PR, but teachers' pension funds have already effectively been raided – not once, but twice. What do you propose they do about the gradual erosion of their pay and conditions? Roll over and have their tummies tickled?

This is the same for everyone. Times are hard. Why shouldn't you be treated the same as everyone else

Top of the pay scale for a classroom teacher is about £32000. Clearly this is not a BAD salary but after 15 years in a professional job with a degree it compares less favourably than those in the private sector.

sezzler wrote:

goatty wrote:

sezzler wrote:

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

We DO pay our own pension. The government contribute to the pension in the same way that many private sector companies do for their employees. By the way, last week I worked over 60 hours- hardly any of it was marking.

So you admit that the tax payer pays your pension fund. Very nice thank you!
Also you fail to address the 13 weeks holiday, whereas most people enjoy only 4 weeks or 5 if they are lucky!
Also why after weeks and weeks off in the Summer do you need to take a Teachers Training day off the first day of term???
I cannot find any reports of teachers being made redundant or sack for incompetence. Wonder why that is??? Job for life maybe!
I wonder how long teachers would last in the real world...No pay rise, No Government paid pension, 4 weeks holiday, having to go to work when it snows and no chance of being made redundant?

We have not had a pay rise in years. I have worked in industry before teaching, the one thing I miss is leaving work at the office and not spending evenings worrying about children etc. I work from home on a snow day (by the way MANY parents love snow days too!).
Finally, strange that teachers don't want to shout out that they are redundant or sacked due to incompetence. You would think they would want to announce it on the front page! Do a search for 'Purbeck teachers redundant'. Then please stop talking rubbish!

cherrydragon wrote:

sezzler wrote:

goatty wrote:

sezzler wrote:

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

We DO pay our own pension. The government contribute to the pension in the same way that many private sector companies do for their employees. By the way, last week I worked over 60 hours- hardly any of it was marking.

So you admit that the tax payer pays your pension fund. Very nice thank you!
Also you fail to address the 13 weeks holiday, whereas most people enjoy only 4 weeks or 5 if they are lucky!
Also why after weeks and weeks off in the Summer do you need to take a Teachers Training day off the first day of term???
I cannot find any reports of teachers being made redundant or sack for incompetence. Wonder why that is??? Job for life maybe!
I wonder how long teachers would last in the real world...No pay rise, No Government paid pension, 4 weeks holiday, having to go to work when it snows and no chance of being made redundant?

We have not had a pay rise in years. I have worked in industry before teaching, the one thing I miss is leaving work at the office and not spending evenings worrying about children etc. I work from home on a snow day (by the way MANY parents love snow days too!).
Finally, strange that teachers don't want to shout out that they are redundant or sacked due to incompetence. You would think they would want to announce it on the front page! Do a search for 'Purbeck teachers redundant'. Then please stop talking rubbish!

Again another frustrating comment about money.

It amazes me people make career choices then moan about it later. In all jobs there are things we dont like. I hate it when a client calls me on the weekend (when I am not being paid) but I love my job overall and i have to take the rough with the smooth....

The funny thing is, if teachers want a rise, then you need less people going into the teaching profession. The government will then have to raise the salary bands to attract the staff. Simple rules of demand and supply. Sadly, the quality of teaching is slipping. IN MY OPINION I reckon this is more because class discipline is too restricitve, too much PC/non-PC laws and pointless paperwork.

I was taught by some great teachers WITHOUT an assistant and maintained total control over 30 kids of all backgrounds and behaviour-some of which was bad. Not sure why this has changed?

So I think the teaching profession has evolved and parents should realise that their little angels are not always co-operative.

That said, I could not and would not teach simply because i dont like the conditions, i dont have the patience and dont like the pay hence, I vote with my feet and I am in a profession I enjoy and do. But teachers cannot argue and say they are hard done by....no, we all are.

sezzler wrote:

cherrydragon wrote:

sezzler wrote:

goatty wrote:

sezzler wrote:

goatty wrote:

High Treason wrote:

Pablo23 wrote:
I wish I had as much time off work as teachers do.

You talk some utter rubbish.
The teacher I know does a 50 hour week which includes marking papers and preparation during evenings and weekends. School trips, often away for several days and has the responsibility of the pupils for 24 hours a day. No extra pay as with parents evenings, department meetings etc. In reality most of those posting negative comments do not have the intelligence, patience and dedication to be a teacher.

boo hoo. Poor hard done by soul!
Try living in the real world. 4 weeks paid holiday instead of 13 to start with. Also state paid pension thank you very much!
50 hours a week- yeah right. We can all say we were doing marking work at home!
Most are lazy and over paid, both with wages and benefits. They should pay their own **** pension and enjoy the same amount of paid holidays as we all do.

We DO pay our own pension. The government contribute to the pension in the same way that many private sector companies do for their employees. By the way, last week I worked over 60 hours- hardly any of it was marking.

So you admit that the tax payer pays your pension fund. Very nice thank you!
Also you fail to address the 13 weeks holiday, whereas most people enjoy only 4 weeks or 5 if they are lucky!
Also why after weeks and weeks off in the Summer do you need to take a Teachers Training day off the first day of term???
I cannot find any reports of teachers being made redundant or sack for incompetence. Wonder why that is??? Job for life maybe!
I wonder how long teachers would last in the real world...No pay rise, No Government paid pension, 4 weeks holiday, having to go to work when it snows and no chance of being made redundant?

We have not had a pay rise in years. I have worked in industry before teaching, the one thing I miss is leaving work at the office and not spending evenings worrying about children etc. I work from home on a snow day (by the way MANY parents love snow days too!).
Finally, strange that teachers don't want to shout out that they are redundant or sacked due to incompetence. You would think they would want to announce it on the front page! Do a search for 'Purbeck teachers redundant'. Then please stop talking rubbish!

Again another frustrating comment about money.

It amazes me people make career choices then moan about it later. In all jobs there are things we dont like. I hate it when a client calls me on the weekend (when I am not being paid) but I love my job overall and i have to take the rough with the smooth....

The funny thing is, if teachers want a rise, then you need less people going into the teaching profession. The government will then have to raise the salary bands to attract the staff. Simple rules of demand and supply. Sadly, the quality of teaching is slipping. IN MY OPINION I reckon this is more because class discipline is too restricitve, too much PC/non-PC laws and pointless paperwork.

I was taught by some great teachers WITHOUT an assistant and maintained total control over 30 kids of all backgrounds and behaviour-some of which was bad. Not sure why this has changed?

So I think the teaching profession has evolved and parents should realise that their little angels are not always co-operative.

That said, I could not and would not teach simply because i dont like the conditions, i dont have the patience and dont like the pay hence, I vote with my feet and I am in a profession I enjoy and do. But teachers cannot argue and say they are hard done by....no, we all are.

It was a response to the previous points, not a moan about money. I made my choice and do a profession I love. I won't be striking, but am sick and tired of people attacking teachers citing outdated views of what they do.