Parked on double yellow lines and in the cycle lane - but it's okay, these council vans have permission (From Thisisdorset)
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Parked on double yellow lines and in the cycle lane - but it's okay, these council vans have permission
8:55am Tuesday 19th March 2013 in Latest
Parked on double yellow lines and in the cycle lane - but it's okay, these council vans have permission
PARKED on double yellow lines, half on the pavement and obstructing a cycle lane, these council vans may look like they are flouting the law.
The Echo was alerted to the vans by cyclist Ben Donald who said he was forced to cycle into the path of traffic to get around them.
@bournemouthecho I was cycling earlier and saw this. 5 Bmth Council Vans on double yellow lines in the cycle lane.
— Ben Donald (@Bendy14) March 13, 2013
@bournemouthecho This is FORCING cyclists to endanger themselves by pulling out into the road. Wellington Rd 14.30. twitter.com/Bendy14/status…
— Ben Donald (@Bendy14) March 13, 2013
But Bournemouth council bosses have been quick to reassure residents these vehicles have special dispensation to park on the roadside at Wellington Road, Charminster.
In fact, the building maintenance department is paying £30 per vehicle for the right to park on double yellow lines – an opportunity the council says is open to any building contractor struggling to park.
Margaret Leslie, parking operations manager, said: “Building maintenance approached us to discuss difficulties they were facing with parking their vehicles as part of their plans to upgrade and improve a number of senior living properties in Wellington Road where there was insufficient off-road parking available.
“The works are necessary and in view of the fact the road is very wide in that location we were happy to give dispensation on this occasion for the vehicles to be parked on the roadside.”
Comments(62)
uvox44
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9:05am Tue 19 Mar 13
Bournemouth2014
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9:06am Tue 19 Mar 13
The Liberal
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9:07am Tue 19 Mar 13
mateybubbles
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9:10am Tue 19 Mar 13
I also look forward to the yellow lines being removed shortly if the parking operations manager is confident there is no danger in people parking on this road.
nobbythesheep
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9:35am Tue 19 Mar 13
Bournemouth2014 wrote:Why should he have to? These things are there for a reason. Reminds me of the great video called 'bike lanes by Casey Neistat'. Look it up
The Echo was alerted to the vans by cyclist Ben Donald who said he was forced to cycle into the path of traffic to get around them - Come on!! Forced into the path of traffic? or just rode around them like everybody else would do?
villain
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9:36am Tue 19 Mar 13
And they wonder why Bournemouth is the most dangerous town for cyclists - with morons like this setting an example!!
radical
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9:41am Tue 19 Mar 13
Just as I and many others have suspected for a long time, yellow lines are painted on roads just to raise money.
Its obvious that parking on yellow lines and a cycle route poses no danger what so ever as a £30 payment seems to take that risk away.
As for the commenter above saying "I was forced out into the path of traffic" get a life, no one forced you out, the vans are clearly seen from a distance, plenty of time for you to prepare to go round them even though I don't agree with what the council has done here.
AmsterdamMan
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9:41am Tue 19 Mar 13
upyourpipe
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9:50am Tue 19 Mar 13
Lord Spring
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10:14am Tue 19 Mar 13
upyourpipe
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10:18am Tue 19 Mar 13
Lord Spring wrote:Oh really, so everyone gets prosecuted because some dipstick sells cars off the side of the road.
The only reason yellow lines are there was to stop the onstreet car sales in case you have all forgot.
Wouldn't it have been easier and fairer to put signs up banning sales of cars on the road and fining those that do, a sledge hammer to crack a nut springs to mind.
Bournemouthstorm
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10:20am Tue 19 Mar 13
. @mmmmmmm You can park partly on the pavement here I believe unless notices state otherwise,but will get a ticket if you try it in London.
Molecatcher
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10:25am Tue 19 Mar 13
Lord Spring
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10:26am Tue 19 Mar 13
upyourpipe wrote:Many dipsticks with multi phone numbers was the reason not a solitary one.
Lord Spring wrote:Oh really, so everyone gets prosecuted because some dipstick sells cars off the side of the road.
The only reason yellow lines are there was to stop the onstreet car sales in case you have all forgot.
Wouldn't it have been easier and fairer to put signs up banning sales of cars on the road and fining those that do, a sledge hammer to crack a nut springs to mind.
upyourpipe
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10:28am Tue 19 Mar 13
Bournemouthstorm wrote:I think the point is that the council is not being treated as everyone else, they have no monetary outlay to break the law whereas you and I would be £30 out of pocket to do the same thing.
Its a bit of a non story really. Any contractor can get permission to park on double yellows by paying a fee and requesting permission in advance. Agreed its a bit strange the council having to pay itself but council vehicles must be treated as everybody else would be. Disable blue badge holders and loading/unloading is allowed on double-yellow lines unless there are also yellow marks perpendicular to the road on the kerb or at the edge of the carriageway, then no parking under any circumstance is allowed (unless shopping in Tesco at Westbourne or popping into blockbuster then you don't have to take any notice all at of any parking restrictions in Milburn Road.....apparently)
. @mmmmmmm You can park partly on the pavement here I believe unless notices state otherwise,but will get a ticket if you try it in London.
If I were to do as the council are doing here will it be ok if I write myself a cheque for £30 and pay it into my own account.
upyourpipe
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10:32am Tue 19 Mar 13
Lord Spring wrote:Multi phone numbers or not it would have been easier and profitable for the council to tow every car away that had a for sale sign on it and charge the seller whose phone number was on the car, they would soon get fed up with seeing their profit trundling off to the pound.
upyourpipe wrote:Many dipsticks with multi phone numbers was the reason not a solitary one.
Lord Spring wrote:Oh really, so everyone gets prosecuted because some dipstick sells cars off the side of the road.
The only reason yellow lines are there was to stop the onstreet car sales in case you have all forgot.
Wouldn't it have been easier and fairer to put signs up banning sales of cars on the road and fining those that do, a sledge hammer to crack a nut springs to mind.
InkZ
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10:36am Tue 19 Mar 13
Lord Spring
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10:46am Tue 19 Mar 13
If these vehicles are parked all day they are not cost effective on a repetitive contract of this nature a secure lockup for tools and equipment located on site and just in time delivery of materials is what is required.
HAC thoughts
Yawwwn!
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10:56am Tue 19 Mar 13
InkZ wrote:As a cyclist myself, I totally agree that these cycle lanes are dangerous! We should not have them. Lets just stick to the road where car drivers are aware that we are there, instead of just appearing all of a sudden in the road at the end of a cycle lane.
This is exactly why I think cycle lanes like this are dangerous. I'd rather not have the bloody things.
djd
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11:50am Tue 19 Mar 13
My moan, and probably that of others is that they also park partly on the footway.
Apart from the fact the pavement was never constructed to carry vehicles, what about those who have to use the pavements like wheelchair users or mums with pushchairs.
Why doesn't this Borough adopt the 'no parking on the pavement' like London Boroughs do?
speedy231278
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11:57am Tue 19 Mar 13
One wonders if double yellow lines are simply revenue generating devices if you can pay to ignore them? I believe blue badge holders may also park on them in certain circumstances. In which case, they clearly cannot be there for the safety of other road users or to prevent the road being blocked, otherwise there would be no exemptions....
boverboy
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11:58am Tue 19 Mar 13
TheDistrict
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12:08pm Tue 19 Mar 13
I use to work as a Pharmacist Delivery service, and not once did I have to park my van on the Wellington Road, or side roads. Access to off road parking was available, or made available.
master plan
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12:13pm Tue 19 Mar 13
rayc
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12:15pm Tue 19 Mar 13
uvox44 wrote:Can't be can they, otherwise Blue Badge holders wouldn't be able to stop on them.
bit of a joke isn't it - are the yellow lines there for safety reasons or not? Or to give the council a chance to charge £30 for a permit to allow people to ignore them?!
Yellow lines are a control measure that are used to enforce the directives that the last Government bought in to make using the car unattractive. Ask the Poole Councillor responsible for transport, she will explain it.
muscliffman
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12:47pm Tue 19 Mar 13
Yet again the 'master and servant' order has been confused and abused by OUR Town Hall.
(And these vans are NOT just on yellow lines and a cycle lane, they are also part of the pavement. Three offences for £30 - bargain!)
Joecannondale
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12:50pm Tue 19 Mar 13
Everyone parks in cycle lanes, get over it!!
BmthNewshound
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12:58pm Tue 19 Mar 13
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And just how much does it cost to process this pointless transaction, or should be how much do Mouchel charge the council for processing ?
The Renegade Master
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1:39pm Tue 19 Mar 13
Everything is stacked up against the motorists these days. Traffic wardens, parking meters, camera cars, double yellow lines everywhere near where you want to get to. Speed cameras, mobile speed traps, traffic light cameras and a police force that hide out in bushes at the side of the road, obsessed with catching drivers not wearing a set belt or doing 5mph over a deliberately reduced limit when they should be catching real criminals.
This country sucks and so do the morons running it.
upyourpipe
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2:01pm Tue 19 Mar 13
The Renegade Master wrote:Well said.
These workers faced the same problem everyone else does in this town. Not enough free parking spaces and too many double yellow lines. No doubt the Council can afford to waive the fines these vans should have incurred as they're making so much money from their parking meters all over the town and that disgusting camera car of theirs.
Everything is stacked up against the motorists these days. Traffic wardens, parking meters, camera cars, double yellow lines everywhere near where you want to get to. Speed cameras, mobile speed traps, traffic light cameras and a police force that hide out in bushes at the side of the road, obsessed with catching drivers not wearing a set belt or doing 5mph over a deliberately reduced limit when they should be catching real criminals.
This country sucks and so do the morons running it.
oneshortleg
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3:34pm Tue 19 Mar 13
Perhaps any tom, dick or harriet can say they are builders pay the £30 and park on double yellows!!
agp1337
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5:21pm Tue 19 Mar 13
manyogie
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5:41pm Tue 19 Mar 13
uvox44 wrote:Have'nt you heard, Justice is for the highest bidder
bit of a joke isn't it - are the yellow lines there for safety reasons or not? Or to give the council a chance to charge £30 for a permit to allow people to ignore them?!
muscliffman
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7:02pm Tue 19 Mar 13
oneshortleg wrote:Correct, and some well off celebrities use Taxis. They don't hire them, they own and drive them (usually retired black cabs) and then use bus/taxi lanes and take advantage of many other exemptions from the regular car driver's rules - perfectly legal apparently providing they don't take a fare!
In London you can apply for a minicab licence for a nominal fee and avoid paying the congestion charge. Apparently several Range Rovers a few Porches and a Lamborghini have licences!!
Perhaps any tom, dick or harriet can say they are builders pay the £30 and park on double yellows!!
Rickster68
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7:31pm Tue 19 Mar 13
Until cyclists start to pay for using the roads then I will start to listen their meanings.
Rickster68
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7:37pm Tue 19 Mar 13
Until cyclists start to pay for using the roads then I will start to listen their moanings and whinges.
retry69
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7:49pm Tue 19 Mar 13
Rickster68 wrote:Im not sure how you would know that the cyclists you see do not pay towards the upkeep of the roads,please explain only once though
I would just like to point out that cyclists do not pay any thing for the upkeep of our roads and yet the standard of cyclists courtesy to other road users is atrocious. Often I see cyclists going through red lights, going straight over pedestrian crossings and, most annoyingly, NOT using cycle lanes/paths.
Until cyclists start to pay for using the roads then I will start to listen their moanings and whinges.
dickhead111111123
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8:39pm Tue 19 Mar 13
spooki
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9:27pm Tue 19 Mar 13
s-pb2
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11:17pm Tue 19 Mar 13
Rickster68 wrote:Cyclists do pay for the upkeep of the roads, just the same as motorists, bus passengers or pedestrians through general taxation and council tax. Road tax has not existed since before WWII.
I would just like to point out that cyclists do not pay any thing for the upkeep of our roads and yet the standard of cyclists courtesy to other road users is atrocious. Often I see cyclists going through red lights, going straight over pedestrian crossings and, most annoyingly, NOT using cycle lanes/paths.
Until cyclists start to pay for using the roads then I will start to listen their moanings and whinges.
Letcommonsenseprevail
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11:22pm Tue 19 Mar 13
agp1337 wrote:Everybody knows the world revolves around it's axis. Not cyclists.
Of course, the cyclists could behave out of character and actually glance behind and signal - and even wait for a few seconds - before pulling out. Or maybe they could do what most cyclists do, just go on to the pavement as fast as possible and hope that any pedestrians get out of the way. Perhaps the van should park completely in the road or entirely on the pavement. Why do cyclists think the world revolves around them?
Tictock
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12:00am Wed 20 Mar 13
Tictock
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12:00am Wed 20 Mar 13
ragj195
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12:22am Wed 20 Mar 13
upyourpipe wrote:Something called the law may prevent the council from doing that.
Lord Spring wrote:Multi phone numbers or not it would have been easier and profitable for the council to tow every car away that had a for sale sign on it and charge the seller whose phone number was on the car, they would soon get fed up with seeing their profit trundling off to the pound.
upyourpipe wrote:Many dipsticks with multi phone numbers was the reason not a solitary one.
Lord Spring wrote:Oh really, so everyone gets prosecuted because some dipstick sells cars off the side of the road.
The only reason yellow lines are there was to stop the onstreet car sales in case you have all forgot.
Wouldn't it have been easier and fairer to put signs up banning sales of cars on the road and fining those that do, a sledge hammer to crack a nut springs to mind.
upyourpipe
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12:57am Wed 20 Mar 13
s-pb2 wrote:Road tax still exists but under a different name, VED, I suspect the name was changed so the government could pocket the money rather than spend it on the road network which was the original intention.
Rickster68 wrote:Cyclists do pay for the upkeep of the roads, just the same as motorists, bus passengers or pedestrians through general taxation and council tax. Road tax has not existed since before WWII.
I would just like to point out that cyclists do not pay any thing for the upkeep of our roads and yet the standard of cyclists courtesy to other road users is atrocious. Often I see cyclists going through red lights, going straight over pedestrian crossings and, most annoyingly, NOT using cycle lanes/paths.
Until cyclists start to pay for using the roads then I will start to listen their moanings and whinges.
Historically the road fund tax was considered a hypothecated tax to pay for the building and maintenance of the road network, this has not been so since 1937 and it is now a general revenue raising tax.
Phixer
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5:41am Wed 20 Mar 13
dickhead111111123 wrote:Having shown that the yellow lines have nothing to do with safety and all to do with milking the hoi polloi, our illustrious public servants - sic - are immune to criticism from those of us who pay their wages.
point is, council are **** holes. bend the rules when it suits them. we try to park there, or anywhere where there is a laim excuse for parking wardens to issue a ticket, and they will. but council vans can park where they chose. very unfair.
Just like those politicians that fiddled their expenses and robbed the Great British Public, local councils are above the law, conveniently forgetting who it is that they are there to serve.
retry69
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7:30am Wed 20 Mar 13
Lord Spring
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7:55am Wed 20 Mar 13
Phixer wrote:Reiterating what I said earlier car sales was the reason restrictions were placed along that stretch nobody could park there as it was car sales lot, There was a demand for action.
dickhead111111123 wrote:Having shown that the yellow lines have nothing to do with safety and all to do with milking the hoi polloi, our illustrious public servants - sic - are immune to criticism from those of us who pay their wages.
point is, council are **** holes. bend the rules when it suits them. we try to park there, or anywhere where there is a laim excuse for parking wardens to issue a ticket, and they will. but council vans can park where they chose. very unfair.
Just like those politicians that fiddled their expenses and robbed the Great British Public, local councils are above the law, conveniently forgetting who it is that they are there to serve.
The same happend in Charminster Road by the Cemetery and then Richmond Park Road which are narrow roads and could be more of safety issue.
I see no comments about DWP vehicles which exceed the time in limited areas depriving other motorist of a parking space.
Tango Charlie
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11:07am Wed 20 Mar 13
“You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it.”
As for paying to get an exemption, the council is not the only people to it. The local counsellors can introduce local traffic laws allowing exemptions to the highway code. (This is why ambulances on non emergency runs can use bus/ taxi lanes in Poole, but not in Bournemouth). These regulations are also used abroad. France and Germany being good examples here.
s-pb2
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12:45pm Wed 20 Mar 13
Tictock wrote:Would be the same anywhere in the country.
One law for the council and one for all else! Arch typical of poorly managed council. That goodness I do not live or work in the town any more.
Article kind of falls flat after initial complaint countered by council saying they are legally entitled to park there. Interesting that the cyclist didnt complain when all the builders vans and lorries were parked in the cycle lane for months on end!
scrumpyjack
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12:59pm Thu 21 Mar 13
The Liberal wrote:No its not.
I don't agree with this. If it's unsafe for other vehicles to park there, hence the double yellow lines, then it's unsafe for these vans to do so. IMHO it also means people will have even less respect for the council and its parking regulations. It's like having one law for them and another for everyone else.
Father Oblivion
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9:19pm Thu 21 Mar 13
od_consum_dg/groups/
.../dg_191924.pdf " says other vehicles should not use this part of the carriageway unless it is unavoidable " I guess it depends how unavoidable the van driver and the Council business was.
The Timelord
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10:17am Fri 22 Mar 13
chrissec
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5:30pm Fri 22 Mar 13
O'Reilly
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5:32pm Fri 22 Mar 13
The Timelord wrote:That would be for your Tardis would it my lord?
Where can I apply for my £30 licence to be able to park on double yellow lines at will and pretend to be a 'builder'?
Turtlebay
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7:30pm Fri 22 Mar 13
The solution of course is to stop council staff doing renovations and make the owners do them. Also force residents to collect their own deliveries from the shops in their cars.
Problem solved!
cgiggles
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11:31pm Fri 22 Mar 13
b26b
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9:01am Sat 23 Mar 13
villain wrote:all cyclists are eco mental, smug morons...........jus
As soon as I saw this headline I KNEW it would be on Wellington Rd. So many times I've had to cycle around some idiot who's parked their vehicle on the cycle lane.
And they wonder why Bournemouth is the most dangerous town for cyclists - with morons like this setting an example!!
t saying
b26b
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9:07am Sat 23 Mar 13
agp1337 wrote:the world revolves because they are sanctimonious idiots.
Of course, the cyclists could behave out of character and actually glance behind and signal - and even wait for a few seconds - before pulling out. Or maybe they could do what most cyclists do, just go on to the pavement as fast as possible and hope that any pedestrians get out of the way. Perhaps the van should park completely in the road or entirely on the pavement. Why do cyclists think the world revolves around them?
nottingham
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3:51pm Sat 23 Mar 13
Superuser
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10:18pm Sun 24 Mar 13
or kills someone,(Park dangerously a for just
£30 (a bargain)) will the Bournemouth
Council still be "quick to reassure
residents these vehicles have special
dispensation to park on the roadside"?
The Highway Code, clearly states
"Double yellow lines mean no waiting
at any time".
Lets hope the Dorset police (who always
seem to find time to issue speeding tickets
when they should be out fighting crime or
making the roads safer) can use the photo
to issue this driver with a penalty notice.
mmmmmmm says...
9:03am Tue 19 Mar 13