V Club shut down by council after man injured in knife fight (From Thisisdorset)

As usual the place will be up and running again within weeks, maybe with a different name. The Council and Police won't have a chance against the clubs fancy barristers.

next up walkabout, ten times worse than anywhere in the history of nightclubs.

bring back proper nightclubs and make it over 21s

better bouncers, some of them couldnt bounce a ball.

Good move by the committee.
Now they should enforce this all the time on all licences with swift decisions.

Why are people surprised that there are problems in this club and others around town? when you open clubs that have a capacity of over 700 who do you think will enforce order? a handful of security men? super clubs cause far to much trouble in all towns and cities, and others who may wish to enjoy the town centre cannot because of the drunkeness within the town centre, whata bout the police being put under pressure in dealing with thousands who come intot he town centre and get drunk and act in a disgusting manner, the police cannt be everywhere, and to those idiots that say thats the way it is, rubbish, it does not have to be this way at all, all it takes is will power in dealing with these problems that are mainly caused by BOOZE

Surprise Surprise. I have been around for many years and remember clubs years back. I have always, and now my children, frequent Mr Carrs clubs, where he acts as a consultant.

I agree with the police and Council. It is down to how the club is run and the management level. Their staff turnover is ridiculous. Every time i go I am greeted by a new face. There was one manager only I ever met that in my opinion was a major asset, South African or Australian fellow. In fact my daughter even worked for him on occasion. I don't know why he left but it would be interesting to get his side. he worked for "the consultant" at Dundees originally . When i lived in Poole I went there all the time. I always felt safe and so did my daughters. When he left, funnily enough Dundees went down, crime went up and we started going to Yates. Then surprise surprise it closed down. Then we see him at V, and after he leaves, suddenly crime and closure!! Why employ monkeys.

I have never had any issue with any bouncers there. I always considered them the better bouncers of bournemouth. It was always a safe place in my opinion and for the size of the venue, the problems they have is nothing compared to some clubs and bars half the size. It is just down to staff. They should be vetted by the council first to see if they are at a suitable standard to run a business like that. !

Good luck to all the people out of work now. This affects everyone. Now 1000 people are going to have to go somewhere else, which will just shift the issues to another Club.

Curiously (or not) a director of Vee Assets Ltd is one James Beedham who lists his address as 13 Ravine Road, Poole, The same as Mr Carr's listed address for his various former companies that went belly up.

Now what doesn't the Daily Echo ask either of these chaps how much, Mr Carr is,and has been paid for his consultancy work - and what it entails ?

Perhaps, rather than a one off fee, this consultancy is on a regular basis and Mr Carr is also paid under a similar arrangement. That way the consultancy can offer a daily if not hourly or minute by minute service which would make maximum use of Mr Carr's undoubted knowledge in this particular field - and also reward him for his proven efforts.

And it would still be a consulting arrangement, i believe.

So go to it Echo, if only to allow the media friendly Mr Carr the chance his disprove the cynics who might suggest things were otherwise.

CobraBoy wrote:
Surprise Surprise. I have been around for many years and remember clubs years back. I have always, and now my children, frequent Mr Carrs clubs, where he acts as a consultant.

I agree with the police and Council. It is down to how the club is run and the management level. Their staff turnover is ridiculous. Every time i go I am greeted by a new face. There was one manager only I ever met that in my opinion was a major asset, South African or Australian fellow. In fact my daughter even worked for him on occasion. I don't know why he left but it would be interesting to get his side. he worked for "the consultant" at Dundees originally . When i lived in Poole I went there all the time. I always felt safe and so did my daughters. When he left, funnily enough Dundees went down, crime went up and we started going to Yates. Then surprise surprise it closed down. Then we see him at V, and after he leaves, suddenly crime and closure!! Why employ monkeys.

I have never had any issue with any bouncers there. I always considered them the better bouncers of bournemouth. It was always a safe place in my opinion and for the size of the venue, the problems they have is nothing compared to some clubs and bars half the size. It is just down to staff. They should be vetted by the council first to see if they are at a suitable standard to run a business like that. !

Good luck to all the people out of work now. This affects everyone. Now 1000 people are going to have to go somewhere else, which will just shift the issues to another Club.

Im so upset. I loved V :(
I agree, there are always new faces everytime I go too. I think i know who you are talking about, his name was Chase. He was amazing and amazing and cute. (not for me, i have a boyfriend). Im so sorry for everyone that works there. This is terrible. And so sad because we loved it there, it was a great place, we all felt safe and had a great time everytime. Where will I have my birthdays now? The council should think about the impact the town will have by NOT allowing V to be open. The crime and people will just shift. And if there is no where to go then they will drink at home and at our Uni, and in the streets where theres aren't any bouncers and managers and people watching how much they drink. Anyone can take a weapon into any club, same as anyone can take drugs in to any club. If you really want to, and you that type of person, nothing the club does can stop you. goodbye V. Unhappy party goer.

I am sorry, i never comment on stuff like this, but i find this absolutely ridiculous.

I am unbiased as I am not associated with this company , but I have worked at most venues in Bournemouth and London during my time and been to all places in Bournemouth, and i can say hands down that V have the best policies, the best security team i have ever worked for and the best staff.

Their standards and policies are second to none, and the level they go to, over and above, to keep everyone safe is unseen in Bournemouth. it is the only venue I know to have a welfare officer solely for looking after people and keeping an eye on vulnerable persons.

Closing V with the excuse of public safety is an absolute joke and nothing more than AN EXCUSE. I was not there but i am 100% positive that that incident would have been 100 times worse if it was at another venue, or in the street. Because lets be honest, if someone is going to carry something with intent, they probably carry it in the streets in the day, and would not hesitate to do something to someone without consequence. The story should have been done based on the way it was handled and commending the venue and staff for ensuring no more people got injured and that the incident wasn't worse.

More effort should be put into ridding this SCUM from Bournemouth, and more time should be put into investigating these pockets of characters that everyone knows exists. A night club is merely an environment where people have the oppertunity to practice safe drinking and safe partying. At house parties, street parties, uni parties etc there are no licenses governing or controlling them, or management, or security. People today buy a whole bottle of drink for less than £6 sometimes and get uncontrollably drunk causing far more harm to themselves and others they are around. Being in a club they are safe and the level of consumption is controlled. If someone wants to drink, or behave badly, the club does not encourage them, they will do it anyway.

Closing the club means that all those people will be trying to get in somewhere else, and if they cant get in there or don't want to, because V is a super club and one of a kind, then they will drink at home or in the streets and this is uncontrolled. With no id checks, no drunken disorderly checks, no welfare officer or first aiders. How thin will authorities have to stretch themselves then? You think closing a club means that people with just go to another club? No. Not when its a specialist destination venue. some people would not go anywhere other than V. it is Obvious that this was a character that doesn't care for consequence or have value of life, but also someone you wouldn't suspect as being that sort either.In my working career I have met bent council, bent police, bent customers, bent staff and you know what, I never expected or suspected any of them until damage was done.

Perhaps people should consult industry professionals before commenting, people who hold licenses and who have lived and breathed night life and keeping people safe.

PS, Cobraboy say hi to your daughters

MissSunnyTimes say hi to your boyfriend

What about bent night club owners who at a whim owe money to people and then reopen under a different guise and Mr. Chase you should be working for that wonderfull Mr. Carr, the way you gloss over many faults let alone somebody getting knifed at the club, oh you are, so sorry.

Good, a license is a responsabilty, and must always be revoked whenever any breech of the law takes place, and remain withdrawn until the dust has settled and a clear picture of where the responsabilities lay.
Pubs, clubs, and especially supermarkets have an obligation to conduct their businesses in a proper fashion, and understand that a license is`nt a cash cow to use to milk.

What excellent good news..

Good news it is about time action was taken. Lets hope it is closed down for good. A building that was formerly a church should never have been allowed to be used as a night club.

Being the said friend in the article and being in the middle of it all on the night i just need to say the management and sercurity were a joke.. when it all happened the duty manager was there like a headless chicken who hadnt even informed the front door on what happened but to make it worse other sercurity had simply thrown out the blokes.

Mr Chase i disagree with what you said, you were not there that night and didnt witness the shambles of staff that you say..Their standards are second to none, and the level they go to, over and above

mrbelter wrote:
Being the said friend in the article and being in the middle of it all on the night i just need to say the management and sercurity were a joke.. when it all happened the duty manager was there like a headless chicken who hadnt even informed the front door on what happened but to make it worse other sercurity had simply thrown out the blokes.

Mr Chase i disagree with what you said, you were not there that night and didnt witness the shambles of staff that you say..Their standards are second to none, and the level they go to, over and above

Do you have any idea how much door staff get paid nowadays? Less than cleaners and yet you expect them to put their lives at risk by trying to detain a knifeman. I know some of the security at V and they have a vast amount of experience and will have done the job to the best of their ability. Some haven't been paid for weeks courtesy of their company and yet you expect them to do the job that a police officer would be armed with tasers and peppers sprays?

This is not good for Bournemouth as trust me there will now be thousands of people trying to get into other venues. Lava is shutting for a refurb and the queues at Vodka revolution are already 1 1/2 long at times. These people drink at home and the trouble that is going to brew on the streets if they cant get in somewhere doesnt bear thinking about.

Mark my words that by next weekend someone will have remembered what I have said and will wonder why its come to this.
Incidently I thought that Jim Beedham had gone bust? and as for Carr! Its time he got the sharp end of the law and was kicked out of Bournemouth for good!

Whilst he sits in his expensive house ripping off people for his own gain. People are going to lose their jobs, less money will be spent in Bournemouth and everyone will suffer in some way as a chain of events will reach far wider than anyone can imagine. Bournemouth is the next Boscombe! Perhaps the tv program that he was featured in some years ago should come back and show the damage than man has caused to Bournemouth.

Never been to club and can't say I would want to ,yes a vicious assault has occurred and I wish the person a speedy recovery but I feel the closure is a knee jerk reaction so as other commentators have rightly stated where will the 700 revellers now go on a Friday sat night it's going to create further problems down the line at other venues

MissSunnytimes wrote:

CobraBoy wrote:
Surprise Surprise. I have been around for many years and remember clubs years back. I have always, and now my children, frequent Mr Carrs clubs, where he acts as a consultant.

I agree with the police and Council. It is down to how the club is run and the management level. Their staff turnover is ridiculous. Every time i go I am greeted by a new face. There was one manager only I ever met that in my opinion was a major asset, South African or Australian fellow. In fact my daughter even worked for him on occasion. I don't know why he left but it would be interesting to get his side. he worked for "the consultant" at Dundees originally . When i lived in Poole I went there all the time. I always felt safe and so did my daughters. When he left, funnily enough Dundees went down, crime went up and we started going to Yates. Then surprise surprise it closed down. Then we see him at V, and after he leaves, suddenly crime and closure!! Why employ monkeys.

I have never had any issue with any bouncers there. I always considered them the better bouncers of bournemouth. It was always a safe place in my opinion and for the size of the venue, the problems they have is nothing compared to some clubs and bars half the size. It is just down to staff. They should be vetted by the council first to see if they are at a suitable standard to run a business like that. !

Good luck to all the people out of work now. This affects everyone. Now 1000 people are going to have to go somewhere else, which will just shift the issues to another Club.

Im so upset. I loved V :(
I agree, there are always new faces everytime I go too. I think i know who you are talking about, his name was Chase. He was amazing and amazing and cute. (not for me, i have a boyfriend). Im so sorry for everyone that works there. This is terrible. And so sad because we loved it there, it was a great place, we all felt safe and had a great time everytime. Where will I have my birthdays now? The council should think about the impact the town will have by NOT allowing V to be open. The crime and people will just shift. And if there is no where to go then they will drink at home and at our Uni, and in the streets where theres aren't any bouncers and managers and people watching how much they drink. Anyone can take a weapon into any club, same as anyone can take drugs in to any club. If you really want to, and you that type of person, nothing the club does can stop you. goodbye V. Unhappy party goer.

Going by the level of your grammar you have spent one to many night in V club instead of attending Uni.

I didn't use to attend V - not because of safety concerns but because I didn't like the atmosphere or style of the place. As Sarah Palin says "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". The place was cheap and flash full of barely old enough to drink teenagers who felt that if you spend half a week's wages on massive rounds of drinks you like good. It was hideously tacky.

And with this latest knife attack it should be shut down although three weeks may be a bit long. After an innocent like that you need time to review your security procedures and have an investigation into what happened. As a licensee you need to take the time to review CCTV footage, your staff's statements and what the police will tell you so you know if you could have done anything different.

Dibbles - it doesn't matter what the security staff are paid (although I'm surprised to hear they're paid less than a cleaner, most cleaners I know are on NMW). They CHOOSE to be security staff and place themselves in that risky situation. As security staff you know when you go to work that somebody may be extremely violent that night and you go anyway. If you don't fancy the risk become a cleaner, that's pretty risk free.

Bournemouth needs more new strong venues like Revolution. We've lost three nightclubs in under a month and nobody is stepping in to fill that gap. I did have a good night at Le Chic the other week (Revolution queue was too long to stand in) which seems to be soaking up some of the Revolution queue and had a different much better atmosphere than before. It's not anything spectacular though.

Stupid predictive text. My post should read - "if you spend half a week's wages on a massive round of drinks you look good" and "After an incident like that". Sorry!

alasdair1967 wrote:
Never been to club and can't say I would want to ,yes a vicious assault has occurred and I wish the person a speedy recovery but I feel the closure is a knee jerk reaction so as other commentators have rightly stated where will the 700 revellers now go on a Friday sat night it's going to create further problems down the line at other venues

Far more than 700! The capacity is 700 but they get a lot more through the door in an evening.(people come and go, Im not intimating that that they go over capacity)

rozmister wrote:
I didn't use to attend V - not because of safety concerns but because I didn't like the atmosphere or style of the place. As Sarah Palin says "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". The place was cheap and flash full of barely old enough to drink teenagers who felt that if you spend half a week's wages on massive rounds of drinks you like good. It was hideously tacky.

And with this latest knife attack it should be shut down although three weeks may be a bit long. After an innocent like that you need time to review your security procedures and have an investigation into what happened. As a licensee you need to take the time to review CCTV footage, your staff's statements and what the police will tell you so you know if you could have done anything different.

Dibbles - it doesn't matter what the security staff are paid (although I'm surprised to hear they're paid less than a cleaner, most cleaners I know are on NMW). They CHOOSE to be security staff and place themselves in that risky situation. As security staff you know when you go to work that somebody may be extremely violent that night and you go anyway. If you don't fancy the risk become a cleaner, that's pretty risk free.

Bournemouth needs more new strong venues like Revolution. We've lost three nightclubs in under a month and nobody is stepping in to fill that gap. I did have a good night at Le Chic the other week (Revolution queue was too long to stand in) which seems to be soaking up some of the Revolution queue and had a different much better atmosphere than before. It's not anything spectacular though.

So if you stab a policeman thats ok because thats what they do? Police officers have the back up of other officers. Have you every had to detain a violent person for over an hour with no police back up, no handcuffs, nothing to protect yourself apart from a door? Leaving the rest of your venue vulnerable? Police are protected, the minute a door supervisor protects him/herself they are arrested! Cleaners on NMW? Some may be but there are many more that earn far more cash in hand privately. Revolution is only strong because its new. Give it time and they will be slagged down like the others.I worked at Elelemnts for 4 years and saw 2 people stabbed in one night and nothing was done about it. No arrests were made because neither of the victims wanted to press charges. Thats what door staff are having to put up with on a nightly basis. Avergae pay for door staff is £10 per hour and they pay their own tax, dont get sick pay or holiday pay and work unsociable hours. Tell me thats enough to risk getting stabbed.

andyjb10 wrote:

MissSunnytimes wrote:

CobraBoy wrote:
Surprise Surprise. I have been around for many years and remember clubs years back. I have always, and now my children, frequent Mr Carrs clubs, where he acts as a consultant.

I agree with the police and Council. It is down to how the club is run and the management level. Their staff turnover is ridiculous. Every time i go I am greeted by a new face. There was one manager only I ever met that in my opinion was a major asset, South African or Australian fellow. In fact my daughter even worked for him on occasion. I don't know why he left but it would be interesting to get his side. he worked for "the consultant" at Dundees originally . When i lived in Poole I went there all the time. I always felt safe and so did my daughters. When he left, funnily enough Dundees went down, crime went up and we started going to Yates. Then surprise surprise it closed down. Then we see him at V, and after he leaves, suddenly crime and closure!! Why employ monkeys.

I have never had any issue with any bouncers there. I always considered them the better bouncers of bournemouth. It was always a safe place in my opinion and for the size of the venue, the problems they have is nothing compared to some clubs and bars half the size. It is just down to staff. They should be vetted by the council first to see if they are at a suitable standard to run a business like that. !

Good luck to all the people out of work now. This affects everyone. Now 1000 people are going to have to go somewhere else, which will just shift the issues to another Club.

Im so upset. I loved V :(
I agree, there are always new faces everytime I go too. I think i know who you are talking about, his name was Chase. He was amazing and amazing and cute. (not for me, i have a boyfriend). Im so sorry for everyone that works there. This is terrible. And so sad because we loved it there, it was a great place, we all felt safe and had a great time everytime. Where will I have my birthdays now? The council should think about the impact the town will have by NOT allowing V to be open. The crime and people will just shift. And if there is no where to go then they will drink at home and at our Uni, and in the streets where theres aren't any bouncers and managers and people watching how much they drink. Anyone can take a weapon into any club, same as anyone can take drugs in to any club. If you really want to, and you that type of person, nothing the club does can stop you. goodbye V. Unhappy party goer.

Going by the level of your grammar you have spent one to many night in V club instead of attending Uni.

andyjb 10
Your gramma is not TOO good, either. How is your grandpa?!

Shutting V is not the answer, this incident could have happened in any bar or nightclub & has nothing to do with how the club is run. The knife could have been pulled out in the street then who would be blamed? At least 50 people could lose their jobs & this superclub IS a tourist attraction, Bournemouth wont have much left if V goes aswel. The council need to look at the bigger picture.

andyjb10 wrote:

MissSunnytimes wrote:

CobraBoy wrote:
Surprise Surprise. I have been around for many years and remember clubs years back. I have always, and now my children, frequent Mr Carrs clubs, where he acts as a consultant.

I agree with the police and Council. It is down to how the club is run and the management level. Their staff turnover is ridiculous. Every time i go I am greeted by a new face. There was one manager only I ever met that in my opinion was a major asset, South African or Australian fellow. In fact my daughter even worked for him on occasion. I don't know why he left but it would be interesting to get his side. he worked for "the consultant" at Dundees originally . When i lived in Poole I went there all the time. I always felt safe and so did my daughters. When he left, funnily enough Dundees went down, crime went up and we started going to Yates. Then surprise surprise it closed down. Then we see him at V, and after he leaves, suddenly crime and closure!! Why employ monkeys.

I have never had any issue with any bouncers there. I always considered them the better bouncers of bournemouth. It was always a safe place in my opinion and for the size of the venue, the problems they have is nothing compared to some clubs and bars half the size. It is just down to staff. They should be vetted by the council first to see if they are at a suitable standard to run a business like that. !

Good luck to all the people out of work now. This affects everyone. Now 1000 people are going to have to go somewhere else, which will just shift the issues to another Club.

Im so upset. I loved V :(
I agree, there are always new faces everytime I go too. I think i know who you are talking about, his name was Chase. He was amazing and amazing and cute. (not for me, i have a boyfriend). Im so sorry for everyone that works there. This is terrible. And so sad because we loved it there, it was a great place, we all felt safe and had a great time everytime. Where will I have my birthdays now? The council should think about the impact the town will have by NOT allowing V to be open. The crime and people will just shift. And if there is no where to go then they will drink at home and at our Uni, and in the streets where theres aren't any bouncers and managers and people watching how much they drink. Anyone can take a weapon into any club, same as anyone can take drugs in to any club. If you really want to, and you that type of person, nothing the club does can stop you. goodbye V. Unhappy party goer.

Going by the level of your grammar you have spent one to many night in V club instead of attending Uni.

What a patronising comment.You cant stoop much lower than trying to ridicule someone who has not the command of the english language such as your self.I apologise for my grammatical errors in advance

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:
I didn't use to attend V - not because of safety concerns but because I didn't like the atmosphere or style of the place. As Sarah Palin says "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". The place was cheap and flash full of barely old enough to drink teenagers who felt that if you spend half a week's wages on massive rounds of drinks you like good. It was hideously tacky.

And with this latest knife attack it should be shut down although three weeks may be a bit long. After an innocent like that you need time to review your security procedures and have an investigation into what happened. As a licensee you need to take the time to review CCTV footage, your staff's statements and what the police will tell you so you know if you could have done anything different.

Dibbles - it doesn't matter what the security staff are paid (although I'm surprised to hear they're paid less than a cleaner, most cleaners I know are on NMW). They CHOOSE to be security staff and place themselves in that risky situation. As security staff you know when you go to work that somebody may be extremely violent that night and you go anyway. If you don't fancy the risk become a cleaner, that's pretty risk free.

Bournemouth needs more new strong venues like Revolution. We've lost three nightclubs in under a month and nobody is stepping in to fill that gap. I did have a good night at Le Chic the other week (Revolution queue was too long to stand in) which seems to be soaking up some of the Revolution queue and had a different much better atmosphere than before. It's not anything spectacular though.

So if you stab a policeman thats ok because thats what they do? Police officers have the back up of other officers. Have you every had to detain a violent person for over an hour with no police back up, no handcuffs, nothing to protect yourself apart from a door? Leaving the rest of your venue vulnerable? Police are protected, the minute a door supervisor protects him/herself they are arrested! Cleaners on NMW? Some may be but there are many more that earn far more cash in hand privately. Revolution is only strong because its new. Give it time and they will be slagged down like the others.I worked at Elelemnts for 4 years and saw 2 people stabbed in one night and nothing was done about it. No arrests were made because neither of the victims wanted to press charges. Thats what door staff are having to put up with on a nightly basis. Avergae pay for door staff is £10 per hour and they pay their own tax, dont get sick pay or holiday pay and work unsociable hours. Tell me thats enough to risk getting stabbed.

I never said it was ok to stab someone stop being so melodramatic. But yes a policeman goes to work knowing they may face someone with a knife, a soldier goes to war knowing people will try to kill him and a doorman goes to work knowing they are employed to do their best to prevent and stop violence occurring in the venues they work in. No one should be stabbed or attacked ever and the people that do it are obviously nasty little thugs but that's the way it is in our society. These people will always be out in town, or trying to go out in town, making trouble, starting fights and attacking people.

If you're detaining people for over an hour without the police turning up then you should probably tell your story to the Echo because that's a serious failing on the police's part. I work in a venue in Boscombe and we can have the police there in under 10 minutes, day or night, regardless of how busy town and Boscombe is that night.

On the new police starting salary they earn £9.13 per hour before tax to take the same risks as you. It may be wrong to pay people who protect us that but it's the going rate. You're not the only one earning £10 or less per hour and risking getting stabbed. What about the bar staff in venues which have no door staff? Some of them are on NMW and still taking the same risk.

No one FORCES you go to work and if you truly feel your personal safety is in jeopardy and the remuneration you receive is as woefully inadequate as you claim don't do it.

"As Sarah Palin says "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig".

eh ?

It was said about her, not by her.

And she is hardly someone to quote given that almost every she has said has been scripted by somebody else - which given the semi literate ramblings of some of those on here trying to defend the club suggests there is another hand behind some of those posts.

Others will have to work out who that might be.

It seems to me that a great amount of small mindedness envelopes like a virus in this town. Closing this nightclub does not solve any problem whatsoever. In fact it will create a greater problem and have a significant effect on a town which is falling by the wayside.

I have been in this town a number of months now having moved from london. I have frequented V a number of times, enjoyed myself and have viewed it as a beacon in a town where tourism is seriously on the wane. It is a successful business that attracts people far and wide and offers something that other so called 'night spots' in town can only dream of doing.

It seems to me people have a dislike to the current operators and are entitled to their view but the club itself has done more than its fair share to drive business into the town for Taxi drivers, late night eateries, hotels, the list goes on. A domino effect will be created whereby Bournemouth will become just another degenerating seaside town where it has/had so much promise a few years back.

It is unfortunate that an incident like this has taken place but if it had taken place in Tesco would they have been shut down? The answers no.

I hope for the sake of Bournemouth's tourism industry as a whole that this is only a 'temporary' closure as, believe me, this town needs this venue more than it realises.

Bob49 wrote:
"As Sarah Palin says "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig".

eh ?

It was said about her, not by her.

And she is hardly someone to quote given that almost every she has said has been scripted by somebody else - which given the semi literate ramblings of some of those on here trying to defend the club suggests there is another hand behind some of those posts.

Others will have to work out who that might be.

I was under the impression it had been said by her not about her. My mistake.

Im sure the 15,000 plus facebook followers and 4,000 people a week who attend said venue will be ecstatic to see its closed.

Plus if i'm correct in my thinking that it came runner up in Club/bar of the year awards in october.

Oh, must be terribly run then...
Another nail in Bournemouth's coffin.

Some of your comments above are nearly laughable and the only reason you are commenting is because of your dislike to Mr Carr, this has nothing to do with him. For those of you jumping the gun and are too quick to say that it is an unsafe venue V has the best security team in Bournemouth. As for V not being managed well it is one of the only clubs in Bournemouth that has an I'd scanner on the front door to prevent people who have been banned from other clubs or been involved with the police or have any previous dealings with violence from coming into the venue, so for those of you who say V didn't take the correct measures, then find yourselves mistaken. V has an I'd scanner, strong security team and a welfare officer in their venue, an incident like this is unfortunate and devastating to the victim but for those of you who have actually lived in Bournemouth nightlife why don't you cast your minds back to when two people got stabbed in elements and when there was a Gunman in another club in the town and nothing was done about it the clubs wernt shut down. It is only for the reason that it has been publicised and for your dislike to Mr Carr that a lot of you are so happy to comment. V is a tourist attraction and people come from all over the UK for a night out to the venue. I feel the need to correct someone above that this is now the forth venue to be shut down in Bournemouth as well as bliss and chilli white, and priva in the triangle loosing their licence because of drugs but covering their tracks well by putting their name onto another existing club. As many of you have already said this could have happened anywhere and for those of you who are quick to jump to the gun, licensing visit v on a regular basis and never have any queries or doubts it is just for this incident which could have happened anywhere! Now where are over 1000 people going to go? I feel the need to correct those of you who think v has a capacity of 700 as it got expanded when it turned into a superclub. Only time will tell when the next incident will occur and we will see how said purple are to react to that. Good luck to Bournemouth now having only a handful of clubs open which are only bars and not really clubs. This is going to cause a much bigger issue in the long run and loose not only the hardworking people who worked their but a lot of local businesses a lot of money!

Poppy_ wrote:
Some of your comments above are nearly laughable and the only reason you are commenting is because of your dislike to Mr Carr, this has nothing to do with him. For those of you jumping the gun and are too quick to say that it is an unsafe venue V has the best security team in Bournemouth. As for V not being managed well it is one of the only clubs in Bournemouth that has an I'd scanner on the front door to prevent people who have been banned from other clubs or been involved with the police or have any previous dealings with violence from coming into the venue, so for those of you who say V didn't take the correct measures, then find yourselves mistaken. V has an I'd scanner, strong security team and a welfare officer in their venue, an incident like this is unfortunate and devastating to the victim but for those of you who have actually lived in Bournemouth nightlife why don't you cast your minds back to when two people got stabbed in elements and when there was a Gunman in another club in the town and nothing was done about it the clubs wernt shut down. It is only for the reason that it has been publicised and for your dislike to Mr Carr that a lot of you are so happy to comment. V is a tourist attraction and people come from all over the UK for a night out to the venue. I feel the need to correct someone above that this is now the forth venue to be shut down in Bournemouth as well as bliss and chilli white, and priva in the triangle loosing their licence because of drugs but covering their tracks well by putting their name onto another existing club. As many of you have already said this could have happened anywhere and for those of you who are quick to jump to the gun, licensing visit v on a regular basis and never have any queries or doubts it is just for this incident which could have happened anywhere! Now where are over 1000 people going to go? I feel the need to correct those of you who think v has a capacity of 700 as it got expanded when it turned into a superclub. Only time will tell when the next incident will occur and we will see how said purple are to react to that. Good luck to Bournemouth now having only a handful of clubs open which are only bars and not really clubs. This is going to cause a much bigger issue in the long run and loose not only the hardworking people who worked their but a lot of local businesses a lot of money!

Very interesting and informative comment, i can only disagree on one thing, that is you mention commenters having a dislike of Mr.Carr i think pure jealousy is nearer the mark and as you also say correctly he has nothing to do with the incident

JrRichardson wrote:
It seems to me that a great amount of small mindedness envelopes like a virus in this town. Closing this nightclub does not solve any problem whatsoever. In fact it will create a greater problem and have a significant effect on a town which is falling by the wayside.

I have been in this town a number of months now having moved from london. I have frequented V a number of times, enjoyed myself and have viewed it as a beacon in a town where tourism is seriously on the wane. It is a successful business that attracts people far and wide and offers something that other so called 'night spots' in town can only dream of doing.

It seems to me people have a dislike to the current operators and are entitled to their view but the club itself has done more than its fair share to drive business into the town for Taxi drivers, late night eateries, hotels, the list goes on. A domino effect will be created whereby Bournemouth will become just another degenerating seaside town where it has/had so much promise a few years back.

It is unfortunate that an incident like this has taken place but if it had taken place in Tesco would they have been shut down? The answers no.

I hope for the sake of Bournemouth's tourism industry as a whole that this is only a 'temporary' closure as, believe me, this town needs this venue more than it realises.

So you have been in the town a couple of months, WOW may we please ask what qualifications required for a misguided post but of course you are welcome to put it here, I do not think that the town needs this venue more than any other but of course if you work there, it might be different !!!!!!

Poppy_ wrote:
Some of your comments above are nearly laughable and the only reason you are commenting is because of your dislike to Mr Carr, this has nothing to do with him. For those of you jumping the gun and are too quick to say that it is an unsafe venue V has the best security team in Bournemouth. As for V not being managed well it is one of the only clubs in Bournemouth that has an I'd scanner on the front door to prevent people who have been banned from other clubs or been involved with the police or have any previous dealings with violence from coming into the venue, so for those of you who say V didn't take the correct measures, then find yourselves mistaken. V has an I'd scanner, strong security team and a welfare officer in their venue, an incident like this is unfortunate and devastating to the victim but for those of you who have actually lived in Bournemouth nightlife why don't you cast your minds back to when two people got stabbed in elements and when there was a Gunman in another club in the town and nothing was done about it the clubs wernt shut down. It is only for the reason that it has been publicised and for your dislike to Mr Carr that a lot of you are so happy to comment. V is a tourist attraction and people come from all over the UK for a night out to the venue. I feel the need to correct someone above that this is now the forth venue to be shut down in Bournemouth as well as bliss and chilli white, and priva in the triangle loosing their licence because of drugs but covering their tracks well by putting their name onto another existing club. As many of you have already said this could have happened anywhere and for those of you who are quick to jump to the gun, licensing visit v on a regular basis and never have any queries or doubts it is just for this incident which could have happened anywhere! Now where are over 1000 people going to go? I feel the need to correct those of you who think v has a capacity of 700 as it got expanded when it turned into a superclub. Only time will tell when the next incident will occur and we will see how said purple are to react to that. Good luck to Bournemouth now having only a handful of clubs open which are only bars and not really clubs. This is going to cause a much bigger issue in the long run and loose not only the hardworking people who worked their but a lot of local businesses a lot of money!

So if it is so well run, then it was ok for the same people who ran V before and went ''belly up'' to reopen under a slightly different name still owing money to suppliers, I would think that what goes around comes around and yes you are right, a lot of posters DO NOT like Mr. Carr and it would be great if does what he said he would and get out of the area with his MONEY.

The only type of people taking knifes to clubs with them are scared, little men. They have full intention to get into a fight, so they take a knife with them as they know they couldn't win with their own strength. So what are the police doing about it? Nothing. They won't find the person who did it, they never find the countless people who mug in bournemouth gardens, they don't stop Spanish students from getting their heads cut off. The bounremouth police are a JOKE. All they do is enforce parking offences. They are not police officers, they are glorified traffic wardens. They do not want to get their hands dirty so they just give out traffic fines, to get their numbers up. Anyone can become a Bournemouth police officer, most of them are overweight desk jockeys/couch potatoes filth that would sh*t themselves if they were faced with any real police work.

"I hope for the sake of Bournemouth's tourism industry as a whole that this is only a 'temporary' closure as, believe me, this town needs this venue more than it realises.”

oh dear

drunks turning up on a Saturday night hardly constitute a tourist industry.

In facts cynics might
suggest the clearance of many of these ratholes night actually help the tourist industry - which may well be what is behind the closure.

As to what it contributes I would say very little if pass performance is anything to go by as the 'previous' owners cheated the council and various suppliers by not paying them.

Wonder how many of those bleating on here would feel the same if they handed over a substantial sum for drinks and didn't receive anything back - rather as the council and suppliers did.

The town and the tourist industry needs decent traders and quality venues, not scummy ratholes owned, ran (and 'consulted') by all manner of dodgy shysters.

coops903 wrote:
The only type of people taking knifes to clubs with them are scared, little men. They have full intention to get into a fight, so they take a knife with them as they know they couldn't win with their own strength. So what are the police doing about it? Nothing. They won't find the person who did it, they never find the countless people who mug in bournemouth gardens, they don't stop Spanish students from getting their heads cut off. The bounremouth police are a JOKE. All they do is enforce parking offences. They are not police officers, they are glorified traffic wardens. They do not want to get their hands dirty so they just give out traffic fines, to get their numbers up. Anyone can become a Bournemouth police officer, most of them are overweight desk jockeys/couch potatoes filth that would sh*t themselves if they were faced with any real police work.

How could the police have stopped ONE spanish student getting their head cut off? Don't pluralise it to dramatise your point - it was a freak incident where someone who was extremely mentally unwell turned violent and killed someone. No one called the police quickly enough during the attack (the body was found by friends not by the police) and no contact had been made with the police in the past regarding incidents at the property between the two men (as far as we are aware from reporting). On top of that the man who killed him is still so mentally unwell he can't face charges SIX months after the attack. Pray do tell me how the police are meant to prevent a freak incident like that? I'd love to know when police forces were made up completely of superheros with a knack for predicting the future - I've never seen anything about this in the history books.

Speaking as a fella in his mid 20s who goes out on the town now and again, I do agree that closing V isn't the solution.

It wasn't somewhere I went often, I wasn't V's biggest fan like some on here, there's other venues I prefer. But I do agree that a club is about it's punters, you can get the club away but the troublesome punters just go elsewhere.

Wasn't V only shut recently as well for some work? With other club's closing as well, more people are going to be crammed into fewer venues with overcrowding issues as a consequence. This at best causes an unpleasant and less enjoyable evening out, but at worst creates more problems and trouble, and the potential for more serious incidents of this nature.

rozmister wrote:

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:
I didn't use to attend V - not because of safety concerns but because I didn't like the atmosphere or style of the place. As Sarah Palin says "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". The place was cheap and flash full of barely old enough to drink teenagers who felt that if you spend half a week's wages on massive rounds of drinks you like good. It was hideously tacky.

And with this latest knife attack it should be shut down although three weeks may be a bit long. After an innocent like that you need time to review your security procedures and have an investigation into what happened. As a licensee you need to take the time to review CCTV footage, your staff's statements and what the police will tell you so you know if you could have done anything different.

Dibbles - it doesn't matter what the security staff are paid (although I'm surprised to hear they're paid less than a cleaner, most cleaners I know are on NMW). They CHOOSE to be security staff and place themselves in that risky situation. As security staff you know when you go to work that somebody may be extremely violent that night and you go anyway. If you don't fancy the risk become a cleaner, that's pretty risk free.

Bournemouth needs more new strong venues like Revolution. We've lost three nightclubs in under a month and nobody is stepping in to fill that gap. I did have a good night at Le Chic the other week (Revolution queue was too long to stand in) which seems to be soaking up some of the Revolution queue and had a different much better atmosphere than before. It's not anything spectacular though.

So if you stab a policeman thats ok because thats what they do? Police officers have the back up of other officers. Have you every had to detain a violent person for over an hour with no police back up, no handcuffs, nothing to protect yourself apart from a door? Leaving the rest of your venue vulnerable? Police are protected, the minute a door supervisor protects him/herself they are arrested! Cleaners on NMW? Some may be but there are many more that earn far more cash in hand privately. Revolution is only strong because its new. Give it time and they will be slagged down like the others.I worked at Elelemnts for 4 years and saw 2 people stabbed in one night and nothing was done about it. No arrests were made because neither of the victims wanted to press charges. Thats what door staff are having to put up with on a nightly basis. Avergae pay for door staff is £10 per hour and they pay their own tax, dont get sick pay or holiday pay and work unsociable hours. Tell me thats enough to risk getting stabbed.

I never said it was ok to stab someone stop being so melodramatic. But yes a policeman goes to work knowing they may face someone with a knife, a soldier goes to war knowing people will try to kill him and a doorman goes to work knowing they are employed to do their best to prevent and stop violence occurring in the venues they work in. No one should be stabbed or attacked ever and the people that do it are obviously nasty little thugs but that's the way it is in our society. These people will always be out in town, or trying to go out in town, making trouble, starting fights and attacking people.

If you're detaining people for over an hour without the police turning up then you should probably tell your story to the Echo because that's a serious failing on the police's part. I work in a venue in Boscombe and we can have the police there in under 10 minutes, day or night, regardless of how busy town and Boscombe is that night.

On the new police starting salary they earn £9.13 per hour before tax to take the same risks as you. It may be wrong to pay people who protect us that but it's the going rate. You're not the only one earning £10 or less per hour and risking getting stabbed. What about the bar staff in venues which have no door staff? Some of them are on NMW and still taking the same risk.

No one FORCES you go to work and if you truly feel your personal safety is in jeopardy and the remuneration you receive is as woefully inadequate as you claim don't do it.

You are so wrong on many levels and for your information I chose to leave the industry when the wages hit £10 per hour because it wasnt worth the risk! I suffered a fractured neck and broken jaw after a completely unprovoked attack at work and the thug got a 6 month suspended sentence. The venue is plagued by rpoblems to this day and yet V can be shut down for seemingly one incident?Of course it matters what people are paid and just to make a point the police are paid extra for nights and they certainly dont get paid £9.13 an hour for night shifts. (Did you have to google that?).
Either you are a police officer or you have no idea what you are talking about and what people have to put up with working in the night time economy which for some they have to work night shifts on top of day work just to make ends meet. So for all its not a lifestyle choice or a fancy hobby to make them look hard. Its a way of feeding their families!

MR.CHASE wrote:
I am sorry, i never comment on stuff like this, but i find this absolutely ridiculous.

I am unbiased as I am not associated with this company , but I have worked at most venues in Bournemouth and London during my time and been to all places in Bournemouth, and i can say hands down that V have the best policies, the best security team i have ever worked for and the best staff.

Their standards and policies are second to none, and the level they go to, over and above, to keep everyone safe is unseen in Bournemouth. it is the only venue I know to have a welfare officer solely for looking after people and keeping an eye on vulnerable persons.

Closing V with the excuse of public safety is an absolute joke and nothing more than AN EXCUSE. I was not there but i am 100% positive that that incident would have been 100 times worse if it was at another venue, or in the street. Because lets be honest, if someone is going to carry something with intent, they probably carry it in the streets in the day, and would not hesitate to do something to someone without consequence. The story should have been done based on the way it was handled and commending the venue and staff for ensuring no more people got injured and that the incident wasn't worse.

More effort should be put into ridding this SCUM from Bournemouth, and more time should be put into investigating these pockets of characters that everyone knows exists. A night club is merely an environment where people have the oppertunity to practice safe drinking and safe partying. At house parties, street parties, uni parties etc there are no licenses governing or controlling them, or management, or security. People today buy a whole bottle of drink for less than £6 sometimes and get uncontrollably drunk causing far more harm to themselves and others they are around. Being in a club they are safe and the level of consumption is controlled. If someone wants to drink, or behave badly, the club does not encourage them, they will do it anyway.

Closing the club means that all those people will be trying to get in somewhere else, and if they cant get in there or don't want to, because V is a super club and one of a kind, then they will drink at home or in the streets and this is uncontrolled. With no id checks, no drunken disorderly checks, no welfare officer or first aiders. How thin will authorities have to stretch themselves then? You think closing a club means that people with just go to another club? No. Not when its a specialist destination venue. some people would not go anywhere other than V. it is Obvious that this was a character that doesn't care for consequence or have value of life, but also someone you wouldn't suspect as being that sort either.In my working career I have met bent council, bent police, bent customers, bent staff and you know what, I never expected or suspected any of them until damage was done.

Perhaps people should consult industry professionals before commenting, people who hold licenses and who have lived and breathed night life and keeping people safe.

PS, Cobraboy say hi to your daughters

MissSunnyTimes say hi to your boyfriend

'...I'm unbiased.......staff at V are the best team I've ever worked with....'

What sense does that statement make?


As for someone getting stabbed...it could happen at any club...I find the owners address the same as Mr Carrs strange?...Never liked the man,even when he started off owning the burger place in Boscombe..Horrid man.

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:
I didn't use to attend V - not because of safety concerns but because I didn't like the atmosphere or style of the place. As Sarah Palin says "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". The place was cheap and flash full of barely old enough to drink teenagers who felt that if you spend half a week's wages on massive rounds of drinks you like good. It was hideously tacky.

And with this latest knife attack it should be shut down although three weeks may be a bit long. After an innocent like that you need time to review your security procedures and have an investigation into what happened. As a licensee you need to take the time to review CCTV footage, your staff's statements and what the police will tell you so you know if you could have done anything different.

Dibbles - it doesn't matter what the security staff are paid (although I'm surprised to hear they're paid less than a cleaner, most cleaners I know are on NMW). They CHOOSE to be security staff and place themselves in that risky situation. As security staff you know when you go to work that somebody may be extremely violent that night and you go anyway. If you don't fancy the risk become a cleaner, that's pretty risk free.

Bournemouth needs more new strong venues like Revolution. We've lost three nightclubs in under a month and nobody is stepping in to fill that gap. I did have a good night at Le Chic the other week (Revolution queue was too long to stand in) which seems to be soaking up some of the Revolution queue and had a different much better atmosphere than before. It's not anything spectacular though.

So if you stab a policeman thats ok because thats what they do? Police officers have the back up of other officers. Have you every had to detain a violent person for over an hour with no police back up, no handcuffs, nothing to protect yourself apart from a door? Leaving the rest of your venue vulnerable? Police are protected, the minute a door supervisor protects him/herself they are arrested! Cleaners on NMW? Some may be but there are many more that earn far more cash in hand privately. Revolution is only strong because its new. Give it time and they will be slagged down like the others.I worked at Elelemnts for 4 years and saw 2 people stabbed in one night and nothing was done about it. No arrests were made because neither of the victims wanted to press charges. Thats what door staff are having to put up with on a nightly basis. Avergae pay for door staff is £10 per hour and they pay their own tax, dont get sick pay or holiday pay and work unsociable hours. Tell me thats enough to risk getting stabbed.

I never said it was ok to stab someone stop being so melodramatic. But yes a policeman goes to work knowing they may face someone with a knife, a soldier goes to war knowing people will try to kill him and a doorman goes to work knowing they are employed to do their best to prevent and stop violence occurring in the venues they work in. No one should be stabbed or attacked ever and the people that do it are obviously nasty little thugs but that's the way it is in our society. These people will always be out in town, or trying to go out in town, making trouble, starting fights and attacking people.

If you're detaining people for over an hour without the police turning up then you should probably tell your story to the Echo because that's a serious failing on the police's part. I work in a venue in Boscombe and we can have the police there in under 10 minutes, day or night, regardless of how busy town and Boscombe is that night.

On the new police starting salary they earn £9.13 per hour before tax to take the same risks as you. It may be wrong to pay people who protect us that but it's the going rate. You're not the only one earning £10 or less per hour and risking getting stabbed. What about the bar staff in venues which have no door staff? Some of them are on NMW and still taking the same risk.

No one FORCES you go to work and if you truly feel your personal safety is in jeopardy and the remuneration you receive is as woefully inadequate as you claim don't do it.

You are so wrong on many levels and for your information I chose to leave the industry when the wages hit £10 per hour because it wasnt worth the risk! I suffered a fractured neck and broken jaw after a completely unprovoked attack at work and the thug got a 6 month suspended sentence. The venue is plagued by rpoblems to this day and yet V can be shut down for seemingly one incident?Of course it matters what people are paid and just to make a point the police are paid extra for nights and they certainly dont get paid £9.13 an hour for night shifts. (Did you have to google that?).
Either you are a police officer or you have no idea what you are talking about and what people have to put up with working in the night time economy which for some they have to work night shifts on top of day work just to make ends meet. So for all its not a lifestyle choice or a fancy hobby to make them look hard. Its a way of feeding their families!

I'm not a police officer. I simply took the police officer's new starting salary (£19,000) and divided it by 52 (for weeks of the year) and 40 hours (assuming they don't work overtime which they would be paid for seperately). It's a starting salary so it goes up over time but I think a police officer on the beat for the first day or a police officer on the beat for the last day before they retire are just as much at risk of an attack.

I work in a night time venue on the bar (and have done on and off for the past 5 years), on NMW, part time and I see plenty of violence - both between customers and directed at staff. We've had people pull knives where I work, threaten to come back with guns (although anyone can say that), try to stab people in the head with pens inside the venue, people smacked with pool cues, etc. It's not nice and it's scary but I want the money so I accept that's what it's like. Do I think NMW reflects the risk I'm at? Not particularly but the money's the most important bit for me so I do my job properly and I get on with it. I too have mouths to feed so I choose to take the risk. The same way door staff choose to take the risk when they go to work - they value the money they earn more than their personal safety in that situation. If you feel the money isn't worth the risk don't do it, simple as.

The fact the person who attacked you got a suspended sentence is nothing to do with the venue or the wages; it's disgusting but that's a sentencing issue that lies with the courts.

We don't know the background to V's closure yet anyway. Dusk til Dawn was closed down suddenly and it turned out a lot of really dodgy stuff was going on there. Until the hearing for V's license we won't know if the licensing committee shut them down purely due to this incident or if it is the culmination of a series of things with this incident being the final straw? There may have been incidents we haven't heard of yet such as the kind you encountered in your old venue.

rozmister wrote:

coops903 wrote:
The only type of people taking knifes to clubs with them are scared, little men. They have full intention to get into a fight, so they take a knife with them as they know they couldn't win with their own strength. So what are the police doing about it? Nothing. They won't find the person who did it, they never find the countless people who mug in bournemouth gardens, they don't stop Spanish students from getting their heads cut off. The bounremouth police are a JOKE. All they do is enforce parking offences. They are not police officers, they are glorified traffic wardens. They do not want to get their hands dirty so they just give out traffic fines, to get their numbers up. Anyone can become a Bournemouth police officer, most of them are overweight desk jockeys/couch potatoes filth that would sh*t themselves if they were faced with any real police work.

How could the police have stopped ONE spanish student getting their head cut off? Don't pluralise it to dramatise your point - it was a freak incident where someone who was extremely mentally unwell turned violent and killed someone. No one called the police quickly enough during the attack (the body was found by friends not by the police) and no contact had been made with the police in the past regarding incidents at the property between the two men (as far as we are aware from reporting). On top of that the man who killed him is still so mentally unwell he can't face charges SIX months after the attack. Pray do tell me how the police are meant to prevent a freak incident like that? I'd love to know when police forces were made up completely of superheros with a knack for predicting the future - I've never seen anything about this in the history books.

You clearly have not watched minority report.

Anyway its besides the point I was making. Doesn't matter if it was one Spanish kid or 20. Fact is, the Bournemouth police are scum bags, that don't do their job correctly. Statics for students getting assaulted/mugged in the gardens is vast. They do sweet f.a about it or to prevent it. I don't know when the pride of wearing a badge went. And I know what you're thinking, When did every single police officer in the bournemouth area become a worthless piece of sh*t that are only out to help themselves and their numbers. There priority is to enforce traffic offences and get their numbers up.

rozmister wrote:

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:
I didn't use to attend V - not because of safety concerns but because I didn't like the atmosphere or style of the place. As Sarah Palin says "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". The place was cheap and flash full of barely old enough to drink teenagers who felt that if you spend half a week's wages on massive rounds of drinks you like good. It was hideously tacky.

And with this latest knife attack it should be shut down although three weeks may be a bit long. After an innocent like that you need time to review your security procedures and have an investigation into what happened. As a licensee you need to take the time to review CCTV footage, your staff's statements and what the police will tell you so you know if you could have done anything different.

Dibbles - it doesn't matter what the security staff are paid (although I'm surprised to hear they're paid less than a cleaner, most cleaners I know are on NMW). They CHOOSE to be security staff and place themselves in that risky situation. As security staff you know when you go to work that somebody may be extremely violent that night and you go anyway. If you don't fancy the risk become a cleaner, that's pretty risk free.

Bournemouth needs more new strong venues like Revolution. We've lost three nightclubs in under a month and nobody is stepping in to fill that gap. I did have a good night at Le Chic the other week (Revolution queue was too long to stand in) which seems to be soaking up some of the Revolution queue and had a different much better atmosphere than before. It's not anything spectacular though.

So if you stab a policeman thats ok because thats what they do? Police officers have the back up of other officers. Have you every had to detain a violent person for over an hour with no police back up, no handcuffs, nothing to protect yourself apart from a door? Leaving the rest of your venue vulnerable? Police are protected, the minute a door supervisor protects him/herself they are arrested! Cleaners on NMW? Some may be but there are many more that earn far more cash in hand privately. Revolution is only strong because its new. Give it time and they will be slagged down like the others.I worked at Elelemnts for 4 years and saw 2 people stabbed in one night and nothing was done about it. No arrests were made because neither of the victims wanted to press charges. Thats what door staff are having to put up with on a nightly basis. Avergae pay for door staff is £10 per hour and they pay their own tax, dont get sick pay or holiday pay and work unsociable hours. Tell me thats enough to risk getting stabbed.

I never said it was ok to stab someone stop being so melodramatic. But yes a policeman goes to work knowing they may face someone with a knife, a soldier goes to war knowing people will try to kill him and a doorman goes to work knowing they are employed to do their best to prevent and stop violence occurring in the venues they work in. No one should be stabbed or attacked ever and the people that do it are obviously nasty little thugs but that's the way it is in our society. These people will always be out in town, or trying to go out in town, making trouble, starting fights and attacking people.

If you're detaining people for over an hour without the police turning up then you should probably tell your story to the Echo because that's a serious failing on the police's part. I work in a venue in Boscombe and we can have the police there in under 10 minutes, day or night, regardless of how busy town and Boscombe is that night.

On the new police starting salary they earn £9.13 per hour before tax to take the same risks as you. It may be wrong to pay people who protect us that but it's the going rate. You're not the only one earning £10 or less per hour and risking getting stabbed. What about the bar staff in venues which have no door staff? Some of them are on NMW and still taking the same risk.

No one FORCES you go to work and if you truly feel your personal safety is in jeopardy and the remuneration you receive is as woefully inadequate as you claim don't do it.

You are so wrong on many levels and for your information I chose to leave the industry when the wages hit £10 per hour because it wasnt worth the risk! I suffered a fractured neck and broken jaw after a completely unprovoked attack at work and the thug got a 6 month suspended sentence. The venue is plagued by rpoblems to this day and yet V can be shut down for seemingly one incident?Of course it matters what people are paid and just to make a point the police are paid extra for nights and they certainly dont get paid £9.13 an hour for night shifts. (Did you have to google that?).
Either you are a police officer or you have no idea what you are talking about and what people have to put up with working in the night time economy which for some they have to work night shifts on top of day work just to make ends meet. So for all its not a lifestyle choice or a fancy hobby to make them look hard. Its a way of feeding their families!

I'm not a police officer. I simply took the police officer's new starting salary (£19,000) and divided it by 52 (for weeks of the year) and 40 hours (assuming they don't work overtime which they would be paid for seperately). It's a starting salary so it goes up over time but I think a police officer on the beat for the first day or a police officer on the beat for the last day before they retire are just as much at risk of an attack.

I work in a night time venue on the bar (and have done on and off for the past 5 years), on NMW, part time and I see plenty of violence - both between customers and directed at staff. We've had people pull knives where I work, threaten to come back with guns (although anyone can say that), try to stab people in the head with pens inside the venue, people smacked with pool cues, etc. It's not nice and it's scary but I want the money so I accept that's what it's like. Do I think NMW reflects the risk I'm at? Not particularly but the money's the most important bit for me so I do my job properly and I get on with it. I too have mouths to feed so I choose to take the risk. The same way door staff choose to take the risk when they go to work - they value the money they earn more than their personal safety in that situation. If you feel the money isn't worth the risk don't do it, simple as.

The fact the person who attacked you got a suspended sentence is nothing to do with the venue or the wages; it's disgusting but that's a sentencing issue that lies with the courts.

We don't know the background to V's closure yet anyway. Dusk til Dawn was closed down suddenly and it turned out a lot of really dodgy stuff was going on there. Until the hearing for V's license we won't know if the licensing committee shut them down purely due to this incident or if it is the culmination of a series of things with this incident being the final straw? There may have been incidents we haven't heard of yet such as the kind you encountered in your old venue.

Wow your venue sounds like an absolute asset to the community......if its so violent why hasnt it been shut down already?

I remember a certain shooting in Zoo and Cage which left 1 man dead......did they get shut down??? No...... its now seen as one of the best venues in town and the Daily Echo themselves wrote articles about its pending closure when its holding company was put into administration.

A review of security protocal is needed but im sure this is something that all clubs will need to look at for the forth coming weekend.

this seems like some form of vendetta against the owners and its the people who lose thier jobs that will be suffering!

Something i would like to point out is that all these commercial clubs will always have trouble!

What gets me, the Police & Council try to close underground venues which hardly ever have trouble because most the people are there for the music!

Look at Slinky tonight at O2(Opera House) will be almost 2000 people there & most will be happy & get on with everyone, very rare would you get trouble & that is fact...

Winchester the only underground venue in town, yet again great nights, everyone attends these nights because of their passion for the music played & to see Dj's.

Far to long Bournemouth council have promoted stag/hen nights & most clubs in town full of lager louts only out to get wasted, pull or fight...

I will not go into town because of this & many others i know feel the same.

Look whos talking! wrote:

rozmister wrote:

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:
I didn't use to attend V - not because of safety concerns but because I didn't like the atmosphere or style of the place. As Sarah Palin says "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". The place was cheap and flash full of barely old enough to drink teenagers who felt that if you spend half a week's wages on massive rounds of drinks you like good. It was hideously tacky.

And with this latest knife attack it should be shut down although three weeks may be a bit long. After an innocent like that you need time to review your security procedures and have an investigation into what happened. As a licensee you need to take the time to review CCTV footage, your staff's statements and what the police will tell you so you know if you could have done anything different.

Dibbles - it doesn't matter what the security staff are paid (although I'm surprised to hear they're paid less than a cleaner, most cleaners I know are on NMW). They CHOOSE to be security staff and place themselves in that risky situation. As security staff you know when you go to work that somebody may be extremely violent that night and you go anyway. If you don't fancy the risk become a cleaner, that's pretty risk free.

Bournemouth needs more new strong venues like Revolution. We've lost three nightclubs in under a month and nobody is stepping in to fill that gap. I did have a good night at Le Chic the other week (Revolution queue was too long to stand in) which seems to be soaking up some of the Revolution queue and had a different much better atmosphere than before. It's not anything spectacular though.

So if you stab a policeman thats ok because thats what they do? Police officers have the back up of other officers. Have you every had to detain a violent person for over an hour with no police back up, no handcuffs, nothing to protect yourself apart from a door? Leaving the rest of your venue vulnerable? Police are protected, the minute a door supervisor protects him/herself they are arrested! Cleaners on NMW? Some may be but there are many more that earn far more cash in hand privately. Revolution is only strong because its new. Give it time and they will be slagged down like the others.I worked at Elelemnts for 4 years and saw 2 people stabbed in one night and nothing was done about it. No arrests were made because neither of the victims wanted to press charges. Thats what door staff are having to put up with on a nightly basis. Avergae pay for door staff is £10 per hour and they pay their own tax, dont get sick pay or holiday pay and work unsociable hours. Tell me thats enough to risk getting stabbed.

I never said it was ok to stab someone stop being so melodramatic. But yes a policeman goes to work knowing they may face someone with a knife, a soldier goes to war knowing people will try to kill him and a doorman goes to work knowing they are employed to do their best to prevent and stop violence occurring in the venues they work in. No one should be stabbed or attacked ever and the people that do it are obviously nasty little thugs but that's the way it is in our society. These people will always be out in town, or trying to go out in town, making trouble, starting fights and attacking people.

If you're detaining people for over an hour without the police turning up then you should probably tell your story to the Echo because that's a serious failing on the police's part. I work in a venue in Boscombe and we can have the police there in under 10 minutes, day or night, regardless of how busy town and Boscombe is that night.

On the new police starting salary they earn £9.13 per hour before tax to take the same risks as you. It may be wrong to pay people who protect us that but it's the going rate. You're not the only one earning £10 or less per hour and risking getting stabbed. What about the bar staff in venues which have no door staff? Some of them are on NMW and still taking the same risk.

No one FORCES you go to work and if you truly feel your personal safety is in jeopardy and the remuneration you receive is as woefully inadequate as you claim don't do it.

You are so wrong on many levels and for your information I chose to leave the industry when the wages hit £10 per hour because it wasnt worth the risk! I suffered a fractured neck and broken jaw after a completely unprovoked attack at work and the thug got a 6 month suspended sentence. The venue is plagued by rpoblems to this day and yet V can be shut down for seemingly one incident?Of course it matters what people are paid and just to make a point the police are paid extra for nights and they certainly dont get paid £9.13 an hour for night shifts. (Did you have to google that?).
Either you are a police officer or you have no idea what you are talking about and what people have to put up with working in the night time economy which for some they have to work night shifts on top of day work just to make ends meet. So for all its not a lifestyle choice or a fancy hobby to make them look hard. Its a way of feeding their families!

I'm not a police officer. I simply took the police officer's new starting salary (£19,000) and divided it by 52 (for weeks of the year) and 40 hours (assuming they don't work overtime which they would be paid for seperately). It's a starting salary so it goes up over time but I think a police officer on the beat for the first day or a police officer on the beat for the last day before they retire are just as much at risk of an attack.

I work in a night time venue on the bar (and have done on and off for the past 5 years), on NMW, part time and I see plenty of violence - both between customers and directed at staff. We've had people pull knives where I work, threaten to come back with guns (although anyone can say that), try to stab people in the head with pens inside the venue, people smacked with pool cues, etc. It's not nice and it's scary but I want the money so I accept that's what it's like. Do I think NMW reflects the risk I'm at? Not particularly but the money's the most important bit for me so I do my job properly and I get on with it. I too have mouths to feed so I choose to take the risk. The same way door staff choose to take the risk when they go to work - they value the money they earn more than their personal safety in that situation. If you feel the money isn't worth the risk don't do it, simple as.

The fact the person who attacked you got a suspended sentence is nothing to do with the venue or the wages; it's disgusting but that's a sentencing issue that lies with the courts.

We don't know the background to V's closure yet anyway. Dusk til Dawn was closed down suddenly and it turned out a lot of really dodgy stuff was going on there. Until the hearing for V's license we won't know if the licensing committee shut them down purely due to this incident or if it is the culmination of a series of things with this incident being the final straw? There may have been incidents we haven't heard of yet such as the kind you encountered in your old venue.

Wow your venue sounds like an absolute asset to the community......if its so violent why hasnt it been shut down already?

I remember a certain shooting in Zoo and Cage which left 1 man dead......did they get shut down??? No...... its now seen as one of the best venues in town and the Daily Echo themselves wrote articles about its pending closure when its holding company was put into administration.

A review of security protocal is needed but im sure this is something that all clubs will need to look at for the forth coming weekend.

this seems like some form of vendetta against the owners and its the people who lose thier jobs that will be suffering!

I don't know why it hasn't been shut down yet probably because it's not in the culmination area of Bournemouth town centre (as I previously mentioned). And while all those people are in our venue they are therefore not in other venues in the area or in Bournemouth town centre containing the problem neatly for the police. I think it's also because the problems we have aren't the product of selling lots of alcohol to young people who then fight to prove a point - all the incidents I mentioned above are more complex than that and on occasion have involved people who are mentally unstable and probably would behave like that after 1 pint or 15 pints.

Bournemouth town centre accounts for over half of all assault, affray and public disorder offences committed in Bournemouth. Dorset Police and Bournemouth licensing team are probably focusing their efforts on reviewing licenses within this area because they feel it is the best way to reduce problems. Personally I think there will always be problems regardless of licensing laws - it's a simple fact when you get such a large amount of people in a small area.

coops903 - I wasn't thinking that because I wouldn't make the sweeping generalisation that every single police officer in bournemouth area is a worthless piece of sh*t. My (albeit limited) experience of Dorset Police has been mixed - I've met some people who are truly passionate about the work they do and some people who seem to clock in, do the bare minimum whilst giving off an attitude of disinterest and then go home again. There are good and bad coppers like any other sector.

Bob49 wrote:
"I hope for the sake of Bournemouth's tourism industry as a whole that this is only a 'temporary' closure as, believe me, this town needs this venue more than it realises.”

oh dear

drunks turning up on a Saturday night hardly constitute a tourist industry.

In facts cynics might
suggest the clearance of many of these ratholes night actually help the tourist industry - which may well be what is behind the closure.

As to what it contributes I would say very little if pass performance is anything to go by as the 'previous' owners cheated the council and various suppliers by not paying them.

Wonder how many of those bleating on here would feel the same if they handed over a substantial sum for drinks and didn't receive anything back - rather as the council and suppliers did.

The town and the tourist industry needs decent traders and quality venues, not scummy ratholes owned, ran (and 'consulted') by all manner of dodgy shysters.

Well put Bob49, as a past DJ in the local clubs way back and now a Cabbie, I know that times have changed because in my time very little trouble in the clubs I worked at, now most people get fuelled up on cheap booze before they come out at night, this is born out by the fact that out of the 3 people that have been sick in my cab, 2 were on the way out for the night, charming but as other posters have put, its a way of putting food on the table and paying bills, that's why we do it.

Wow a lot of comments to read thru...

Anways, here's mine...
LEGALIZE ECSTACY, end of.

Very dodgy club,I stopped going as it hasn't been safe for some time.

It is about time the Council and Police are getting a grip on the various dodgy establishments.
Go to any big city or town and the story is the same, control the doors and you control the drugs. Its time people woke up and realised what goes on. The bosses of these door companies are often no more than gangsters, criminally connected who use violence and threats to work a particular venue, then allow their own drug networks in.
Look to the recent closures in Bournemouth, listen to any cabbie who will tell you where the coke heads hang out, observe the dodgy looking eastern europeans, Turks or scousers who turn up in the flash cars. The criminal underworld is well established in Bournemouth running clubs, door companies,drugs and brothels.
We don't know what happened here, but over the years club owners used all sort of tricks to avoid attention. Give a punter a beating and chuck them out of the back door, deny all knowledge. The problem for Clubs now is everyone has a mobile phone, if someone phones the Police to say there was a fight inside a club, it's harder for the manager to play dumb. They get the punters drunk, and when there is a fight, they chuck them out and claim it was just a punch up outside.
Good for the Police and Council, looks like they are cracking down at last.

If the facts in this article or all that is to go by, this is a seemingly knee-jerk reaction to what happened on that night, as opposed to a constructive & long term solution to the underlying problem.

The closure of V club this weekend ( and any further weekends), much to the rubbing of all the hands of he Richard Carr - haters, will only shift the underlying problem to other premises in town.

Simple as that. Anyone in the night-time pub/club business knows it, anyone who frequents the local clubs & bars know it and more worringly, the local police & licensing people know it.

As has been said, if a person is of the mind to come out and get drunk ( or not as the case may be) and then pull a knife out to injure another then they shouldn't be out at all. They should be locked up. The fact is they could do it anywhere if they are that unstable - Tescos, Beales, KFC, outside your Granny's house even!

If a similar nutter goes out this Saturday with a knife tucked down by his wotsits and he walks up to V's door, what is he going to do when he sees it chained up? - Turn around, get into Redgolfer's cab and go home to watch Match Of the Day?

No - he's gonna get even more of a strop on, have a few more in Moon on the Square, then go off to another dark club full of unsuspecting punters and have a crack at someone there instead.

So what do we do - close all the clubs? Well, that's what the oldies on here hanker for. After all we don't want the vast majority of the young, hard-working, tax-paying, law-abiding ( qualities which some of these oldies on here don't possess ) population enjoying themselves no do we?

If we close the clubs then what? Sorry but Fortes don't want any more Ice cream parlours. There is no sufficient demand for indoor ice-rinks and the (oldie-induced) recession has brought about a lack of cash with which to open up unprofitable shops and businesses.

And we can't flatten them all down to build glass and asbestos bus stations either. We use cars now in the 21st century and the buses are more than happy with the status quo apparently thank you very much.

The local pub/club business isn't without its faults in terms of management etc. Seemingly the doormen in town are getting younger & less abled, The club managers are younger as well, wearing suits and just stand around.

Bring back the days of proper bouncers who are more level-headed, less interested in their looks and just plain harder.
Bring back the old school pub/club manager who is pro-active and choosy about who gets in to his venue & who does what and how. The guy who runs the karaoke bar by the Lansdowne is a great example of this. He knocks back all the grots & skanks who can't string a sentence together and he never has any trouble. Obviously not pulling in the level of business other clubs in town do but at least you feel safe in his bar without looking over your shoulder in case some headcase is looking to have a pop at you.

Finally, and most fundamentally, many have stated that these kids who cause trouble are wasted before they even set foot in anywhere. This is evident by the amount of bars in town that are empty until 10/11 o clock. Maybe the much bigger issue of cheap supermarket-bought booze should be addressed, along with tougher sentences ( or a good kicking by a copper) for those that feel the need to offend.

In any case, the closure of V, along with the future closure of any other clubs in town won't reduce the risk this weekend. Quite the opposite in fact.

And just for info, I don't work in a club or bar. I have never met/worked for/have any opinion of or am owed money by Richard Carr - I like a night out like the next bloke and I just want to do it safely and responsibly like the 99.99% of others who will be out tonight and the rest of the weekend.

PS - at least this gives the ex-surf-reef & Imax snivellers something to whinge over now - keeps 'em busy!

retry69 wrote:

Poppy_ wrote:
Some of your comments above are nearly laughable and the only reason you are commenting is because of your dislike to Mr Carr, this has nothing to do with him. For those of you jumping the gun and are too quick to say that it is an unsafe venue V has the best security team in Bournemouth. As for V not being managed well it is one of the only clubs in Bournemouth that has an I'd scanner on the front door to prevent people who have been banned from other clubs or been involved with the police or have any previous dealings with violence from coming into the venue, so for those of you who say V didn't take the correct measures, then find yourselves mistaken. V has an I'd scanner, strong security team and a welfare officer in their venue, an incident like this is unfortunate and devastating to the victim but for those of you who have actually lived in Bournemouth nightlife why don't you cast your minds back to when two people got stabbed in elements and when there was a Gunman in another club in the town and nothing was done about it the clubs wernt shut down. It is only for the reason that it has been publicised and for your dislike to Mr Carr that a lot of you are so happy to comment. V is a tourist attraction and people come from all over the UK for a night out to the venue. I feel the need to correct someone above that this is now the forth venue to be shut down in Bournemouth as well as bliss and chilli white, and priva in the triangle loosing their licence because of drugs but covering their tracks well by putting their name onto another existing club. As many of you have already said this could have happened anywhere and for those of you who are quick to jump to the gun, licensing visit v on a regular basis and never have any queries or doubts it is just for this incident which could have happened anywhere! Now where are over 1000 people going to go? I feel the need to correct those of you who think v has a capacity of 700 as it got expanded when it turned into a superclub. Only time will tell when the next incident will occur and we will see how said purple are to react to that. Good luck to Bournemouth now having only a handful of clubs open which are only bars and not really clubs. This is going to cause a much bigger issue in the long run and loose not only the hardworking people who worked their but a lot of local businesses a lot of money!

Very interesting and informative comment, i can only disagree on one thing, that is you mention commenters having a dislike of Mr.Carr i think pure jealousy is nearer the mark and as you also say correctly he has nothing to do with the incident

Jealous of the bankrupt richard carr do us all a favour !!

Bob49 wrote:
Curiously (or not) a director of Vee Assets Ltd is one James Beedham who lists his address as 13 Ravine Road, Poole, The same as Mr Carr's listed address for his various former companies that went belly up.

Now what doesn't the Daily Echo ask either of these chaps how much, Mr Carr is,and has been paid for his consultancy work - and what it entails ?

Perhaps, rather than a one off fee, this consultancy is on a regular basis and Mr Carr is also paid under a similar arrangement. That way the consultancy can offer a daily if not hourly or minute by minute service which would make maximum use of Mr Carr's undoubted knowledge in this particular field - and also reward him for his proven efforts.

And it would still be a consulting arrangement, i believe.

So go to it Echo, if only to allow the media friendly Mr Carr the chance his disprove the cynics who might suggest things were otherwise.

Come on Mate catch up everyone knows beedham is the front man Fatty Carrs pulling the strings always has done The only consulting that is done is Beedham asking The Boss what to do next when people are asking awkward questions .

Jealous of Carr?

ROFL!!!!!!!!

Think not, sunshine.

coops903 wrote:
The only type of people taking knifes to clubs with them are scared, little men. They have full intention to get into a fight, so they take a knife with them as they know they couldn't win with their own strength. So what are the police doing about it? Nothing. They won't find the person who did it, they never find the countless people who mug in bournemouth gardens, they don't stop Spanish students from getting their heads cut off. The bounremouth police are a JOKE. All they do is enforce parking offences. They are not police officers, they are glorified traffic wardens. They do not want to get their hands dirty so they just give out traffic fines, to get their numbers up. Anyone can become a Bournemouth police officer, most of them are overweight desk jockeys/couch potatoes filth that would sh*t themselves if they were faced with any real police work.

Great post from an obviously well-informed individual! Any ideas how you the police might be able to stop someone having their head cut off in their own home?

Roband65 wrote:

retry69 wrote:

Poppy_ wrote:
Some of your comments above are nearly laughable and the only reason you are commenting is because of your dislike to Mr Carr, this has nothing to do with him. For those of you jumping the gun and are too quick to say that it is an unsafe venue V has the best security team in Bournemouth. As for V not being managed well it is one of the only clubs in Bournemouth that has an I'd scanner on the front door to prevent people who have been banned from other clubs or been involved with the police or have any previous dealings with violence from coming into the venue, so for those of you who say V didn't take the correct measures, then find yourselves mistaken. V has an I'd scanner, strong security team and a welfare officer in their venue, an incident like this is unfortunate and devastating to the victim but for those of you who have actually lived in Bournemouth nightlife why don't you cast your minds back to when two people got stabbed in elements and when there was a Gunman in another club in the town and nothing was done about it the clubs wernt shut down. It is only for the reason that it has been publicised and for your dislike to Mr Carr that a lot of you are so happy to comment. V is a tourist attraction and people come from all over the UK for a night out to the venue. I feel the need to correct someone above that this is now the forth venue to be shut down in Bournemouth as well as bliss and chilli white, and priva in the triangle loosing their licence because of drugs but covering their tracks well by putting their name onto another existing club. As many of you have already said this could have happened anywhere and for those of you who are quick to jump to the gun, licensing visit v on a regular basis and never have any queries or doubts it is just for this incident which could have happened anywhere! Now where are over 1000 people going to go? I feel the need to correct those of you who think v has a capacity of 700 as it got expanded when it turned into a superclub. Only time will tell when the next incident will occur and we will see how said purple are to react to that. Good luck to Bournemouth now having only a handful of clubs open which are only bars and not really clubs. This is going to cause a much bigger issue in the long run and loose not only the hardworking people who worked their but a lot of local businesses a lot of money!

Very interesting and informative comment, i can only disagree on one thing, that is you mention commenters having a dislike of Mr.Carr i think pure jealousy is nearer the mark and as you also say correctly he has nothing to do with the incident

Jealous of the bankrupt richard carr do us all a favour !!

I certainly will not do you a favour but you are obiously envious of him.(thats no1)

sorry the v went adrift

KLH wrote:
Jealous of Carr?

ROFL!!!!!!!!

Think not, sunshine.

dont be so patronising sunshine you are no2

And they've just pulled off a blinder for when they do re-open - free punlicity on ITV!!

Sorry - publicity! - pardon the "pun"

I live in Australia and drive a taxi around Coolangatta, on the Gold Coast in Queensland. The town had a massive problem with anti social behaviour 3 or 4 years ago, gangs, fights, deaths on the streets. About 3 years ago an off duty police officer was bashed by about 15 youths, that was the incident that changed everything. The Qld head of police stated he was going to get the town cleaned up, the police were told to clamp down hard on any anti social behavior, people were arrested locked up and fined for issues such as, fighting, refusing to move on when instructed by an officer, urinating in a public place, swearing at police officers, drinking alohol in a public area designated as non drinking areas plus all the usual stuff that goes on. After 12 months of what some people would describe as heavy policing the change was unbelievable, suddenly the kids started showing respect to the officers because they new if they didn't they'd be arrested, the clubs and pubs did there bit by employing the same tactics inside, including having photo id for all people entering, that way if someone gets kicked out, it's noted on the computers and they won't be allowed back in until their ban is served. Most of the aggro has now stopped. you're always going to get the odd bit of aggro with drunk people around but the change has been absolutely unbelievable. Google Coolanghetto if you want to see what it was like.
Maybe Bournemouth police and clubs and pubs should adopt the same measures, have a single data base for phot id, that way if you get banned from one place for a month you cant get into any others too. Along with the heavy policing it will change the attitude of the kids in a very short time.

"Come on Mate catch up everyone knows beedham is the front man Fatty Carrs pulling the strings always has done"


you don't say


ps have another read of my post

retry69 wrote:

KLH wrote:
Jealous of Carr?

ROFL!!!!!!!!

Think not, sunshine.

dont be so patronising sunshine you are no2

Who is No3 then, sunshine!!

Rofl......

self-explanatory troll3

coops903 wrote:

rozmister wrote:

coops903 wrote:
The only type of people taking knifes to clubs with them are scared, little men. They have full intention to get into a fight, so they take a knife with them as they know they couldn't win with their own strength. So what are the police doing about it? Nothing. They won't find the person who did it, they never find the countless people who mug in bournemouth gardens, they don't stop Spanish students from getting their heads cut off. The bounremouth police are a JOKE. All they do is enforce parking offences. They are not police officers, they are glorified traffic wardens. They do not want to get their hands dirty so they just give out traffic fines, to get their numbers up. Anyone can become a Bournemouth police officer, most of them are overweight desk jockeys/couch potatoes filth that would sh*t themselves if they were faced with any real police work.

How could the police have stopped ONE spanish student getting their head cut off? Don't pluralise it to dramatise your point - it was a freak incident where someone who was extremely mentally unwell turned violent and killed someone. No one called the police quickly enough during the attack (the body was found by friends not by the police) and no contact had been made with the police in the past regarding incidents at the property between the two men (as far as we are aware from reporting). On top of that the man who killed him is still so mentally unwell he can't face charges SIX months after the attack. Pray do tell me how the police are meant to prevent a freak incident like that? I'd love to know when police forces were made up completely of superheros with a knack for predicting the future - I've never seen anything about this in the history books.

You clearly have not watched minority report.

Anyway its besides the point I was making. Doesn't matter if it was one Spanish kid or 20. Fact is, the Bournemouth police are scum bags, that don't do their job correctly. Statics for students getting assaulted/mugged in the gardens is vast. They do sweet f.a about it or to prevent it. I don't know when the pride of wearing a badge went. And I know what you're thinking, When did every single police officer in the bournemouth area become a worthless piece of sh*t that are only out to help themselves and their numbers. There priority is to enforce traffic offences and get their numbers up.

You have taken generalisation to a new level! You re obviously a student, so I guess I could say that all students are lazy, drunken illiterate slobs who just want to avoid working for as long as possible. I know that's not true, so I wouldn't . I also happen to know that whilst you were snug as a bug in your bed last night, my son was out on the street doing a great job protecting the likes of you and all the other anti police posters on here. With numbers continually on the decrease, how the hell are they expected to be everywhere at once? I know my son is a decent hardworking person, and so are the vast majority of the force. You wouldn't even begin to deal with some of the things he has to face, you would have nightmares for the rest of your life. Unless you become better informed on what you are posting on here, I suggest you can spend your time much better by studying.

jill M wrote:

coops903 wrote:

rozmister wrote:

coops903 wrote:
The only type of people taking knifes to clubs with them are scared, little men. They have full intention to get into a fight, so they take a knife with them as they know they couldn't win with their own strength. So what are the police doing about it? Nothing. They won't find the person who did it, they never find the countless people who mug in bournemouth gardens, they don't stop Spanish students from getting their heads cut off. The bounremouth police are a JOKE. All they do is enforce parking offences. They are not police officers, they are glorified traffic wardens. They do not want to get their hands dirty so they just give out traffic fines, to get their numbers up. Anyone can become a Bournemouth police officer, most of them are overweight desk jockeys/couch potatoes filth that would sh*t themselves if they were faced with any real police work.

How could the police have stopped ONE spanish student getting their head cut off? Don't pluralise it to dramatise your point - it was a freak incident where someone who was extremely mentally unwell turned violent and killed someone. No one called the police quickly enough during the attack (the body was found by friends not by the police) and no contact had been made with the police in the past regarding incidents at the property between the two men (as far as we are aware from reporting). On top of that the man who killed him is still so mentally unwell he can't face charges SIX months after the attack. Pray do tell me how the police are meant to prevent a freak incident like that? I'd love to know when police forces were made up completely of superheros with a knack for predicting the future - I've never seen anything about this in the history books.

You clearly have not watched minority report.

Anyway its besides the point I was making. Doesn't matter if it was one Spanish kid or 20. Fact is, the Bournemouth police are scum bags, that don't do their job correctly. Statics for students getting assaulted/mugged in the gardens is vast. They do sweet f.a about it or to prevent it. I don't know when the pride of wearing a badge went. And I know what you're thinking, When did every single police officer in the bournemouth area become a worthless piece of sh*t that are only out to help themselves and their numbers. There priority is to enforce traffic offences and get their numbers up.

You have taken generalisation to a new level! You re obviously a student, so I guess I could say that all students are lazy, drunken illiterate slobs who just want to avoid working for as long as possible. I know that's not true, so I wouldn't . I also happen to know that whilst you were snug as a bug in your bed last night, my son was out on the street doing a great job protecting the likes of you and all the other anti police posters on here. With numbers continually on the decrease, how the hell are they expected to be everywhere at once? I know my son is a decent hardworking person, and so are the vast majority of the force. You wouldn't even begin to deal with some of the things he has to face, you would have nightmares for the rest of your life. Unless you become better informed on what you are posting on here, I suggest you can spend your time much better by studying.

Very well put !

Amazing the BIC put on Example on Monday night till 10;30 at night and attract 6500 people into the town obviously some were scum and thief's and then v has to pick up the pieces

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Why has the BIC not been closed they ran that gig and attracted the wrong crowd! What about all the staff that work at "V" no mention how they will pay there rent is there this stinks the Police hate Carr and this is there minute of Glory, well at this rate we will all be drinking in the Cranleigh well remember he brought us The Venue,The Opera House, Slinky, Bliss Toko,The Cage and Zoo (Now Elements) Slam, Urban not to mention Tower Park of course.

Anyway its besides the point I was making. Doesn't matter if it was one Spanish kid or 20. Fact is, the Bournemouth police are scum bags, that don't do their job correctly. Statics for students getting assaulted/mugged in the gardens is vast. They do sweet f.a about it or to prevent it. I don't know when the pride of wearing a badge went. And I know what you're thinking, When did every single police officer in the bournemouth area become a worthless piece of sh*t that are only out to help themselves and their numbers. There priority is to enforce traffic offences and get their numbers up.

What point exactly are you trying to make? Because it sounds to me like you hate the police and it has nothing to do with the closing down of the club. I know a few people that work for the police, and you don't see the amount of stress they bring home, or how many times they get called out in the middle of the night, putting themselves in harms way. They deal with so much criticism and bad press and yet no one is willing to put themselves in their shoes. I wonder who you would call if you needed help, getting personal and calling them 'worthless pieces of ****' shows your level of immaturity. Do us all a favor and keep you low minded opinions to yourself.

retry69 wrote:
self-explanatory troll3

Hahahahah!!!

That is even more rofl.....hehehe!!!

I would suggest that before J Swain squeaks about Mr Carr has brought us in the way of clubs h or she has a look at who paid for them - as in how many times has he or clubs associated with him gone bankrupt.

How much money was lost/defrauded from local honest traders/tradesmen etc. How much was lost to the council, the txaman and utility providers.

He even bankrupted his development company owing yet again hundreds and hundreds of thousands.

Many my think this is down to incompetence - and having met him many might think they were right. However having done this so many times some actaully think it is fraud, theft , as good as.

Some might also think that, despit being banned from acting as a director he is actually runnig theV Club and merely using willing dupes as frontmen.

A jolly jape some might say. Getting one of the authorities, eh. A latter day Robin Hood - or a present day robbin' barstard more like. And if you want evidence of the latter then they should talk to the numerous honest folk who have lost money through his behaviour. That's the real story amongst all this - and no weasel words from his apologists on here will distract from that fact..

I'm still failing to see how an incident where some thug slashes a bloke in a nightclub is Richard Carr's fault.

Like I said, I have no connection with him whatsoever and all I know is what I have read about him here. I dertainly don't listen to the half-baked opinions of some on here about him or anyone else because judgements on here about most topics are so obviously clouded and ill-informed. And to be honest with the Echo being there to make money ( just like Richard Carr ) and being somewhat selective in what it wants us to read and believe, I am somewhat sceptical about what I do know.

Somebody who is intent on slashing someone else with a knife, drunk or not, will do it absolutely anywhere. I'm sure they don't choose a particular venue because it's got poor door management, run by a certain person or anything else.

And furthermore, closing such a venue will not get rid of the problem - it is just shifting it elsewhere. Ask any police officer who is out on duty tonight.

MrPitiful wrote:
I'm still failing to see how an incident where some thug slashes a bloke in a nightclub is Richard Carr's fault.

Like I said, I have no connection with him whatsoever and all I know is what I have read about him here. I dertainly don't listen to the half-baked opinions of some on here about him or anyone else because judgements on here about most topics are so obviously clouded and ill-informed. And to be honest with the Echo being there to make money ( just like Richard Carr ) and being somewhat selective in what it wants us to read and believe, I am somewhat sceptical about what I do know.

Somebody who is intent on slashing someone else with a knife, drunk or not, will do it absolutely anywhere. I'm sure they don't choose a particular venue because it's got poor door management, run by a certain person or anything else.

And furthermore, closing such a venue will not get rid of the problem - it is just shifting it elsewhere. Ask any police officer who is out on duty tonight.

You are quite right it has nothing to do with Mr.Carr but as the majority of the posters on here cannot make a reasonable comment they inflict their envy on him as seen in the past with other successful people.The green eyed monster is a terrible animal

Just to let those who are interested know as well - The V Club "Re-opening" party will be held on Saturday March 9th!!

Tickets and info available on their website www.vbournemouthrock
s.com

Good news in the light of all the unnecessary negativity.

coops903 wrote:
The only type of people taking knifes to clubs with them are scared, little men. They have full intention to get into a fight, so they take a knife with them as they know they couldn't win with their own strength. So what are the police doing about it? Nothing. They won't find the person who did it, they never find the countless people who mug in bournemouth gardens, they don't stop Spanish students from getting their heads cut off. The bounremouth police are a JOKE. All they do is enforce parking offences. They are not police officers, they are glorified traffic wardens. They do not want to get their hands dirty so they just give out traffic fines, to get their numbers up. Anyone can become a Bournemouth police officer, most of them are overweight desk jockeys/couch potatoes filth that would sh*t themselves if they were faced with any real police work.

Also know some who are sexual
predators.

V for violence....

Why not have a vicar on the door as
it still looks like a church!

Dear V . Welcome to what i call Karma. Your poor ethics and arrogance thay run through the veins and right to the very core of this establisment, is about to receive its rewards. Its still very fresh in my mind, when your door staff pinned me down, broke my nose and detached my two front teeth from my skull, with their steel caped leather boots. Blessings to u all maybe u should revert your building and yourselfs back to God!

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:
I didn't use to attend V - not because of safety concerns but because I didn't like the atmosphere or style of the place. As Sarah Palin says "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig". The place was cheap and flash full of barely old enough to drink teenagers who felt that if you spend half a week's wages on massive rounds of drinks you like good. It was hideously tacky.

And with this latest knife attack it should be shut down although three weeks may be a bit long. After an innocent like that you need time to review your security procedures and have an investigation into what happened. As a licensee you need to take the time to review CCTV footage, your staff's statements and what the police will tell you so you know if you could have done anything different.

Dibbles - it doesn't matter what the security staff are paid (although I'm surprised to hear they're paid less than a cleaner, most cleaners I know are on NMW). They CHOOSE to be security staff and place themselves in that risky situation. As security staff you know when you go to work that somebody may be extremely violent that night and you go anyway. If you don't fancy the risk become a cleaner, that's pretty risk free.

Bournemouth needs more new strong venues like Revolution. We've lost three nightclubs in under a month and nobody is stepping in to fill that gap. I did have a good night at Le Chic the other week (Revolution queue was too long to stand in) which seems to be soaking up some of the Revolution queue and had a different much better atmosphere than before. It's not anything spectacular though.

So if you stab a policeman thats ok because thats what they do? Police officers have the back up of other officers. Have you every had to detain a violent person for over an hour with no police back up, no handcuffs, nothing to protect yourself apart from a door? Leaving the rest of your venue vulnerable? Police are protected, the minute a door supervisor protects him/herself they are arrested! Cleaners on NMW? Some may be but there are many more that earn far more cash in hand privately. Revolution is only strong because its new. Give it time and they will be slagged down like the others.I worked at Elelemnts for 4 years and saw 2 people stabbed in one night and nothing was done about it. No arrests were made because neither of the victims wanted to press charges. Thats what door staff are having to put up with on a nightly basis. Avergae pay for door staff is £10 per hour and they pay their own tax, dont get sick pay or holiday pay and work unsociable hours. Tell me thats enough to risk getting stabbed.

I never said it was ok to stab someone stop being so melodramatic. But yes a policeman goes to work knowing they may face someone with a knife, a soldier goes to war knowing people will try to kill him and a doorman goes to work knowing they are employed to do their best to prevent and stop violence occurring in the venues they work in. No one should be stabbed or attacked ever and the people that do it are obviously nasty little thugs but that's the way it is in our society. These people will always be out in town, or trying to go out in town, making trouble, starting fights and attacking people.

If you're detaining people for over an hour without the police turning up then you should probably tell your story to the Echo because that's a serious failing on the police's part. I work in a venue in Boscombe and we can have the police there in under 10 minutes, day or night, regardless of how busy town and Boscombe is that night.

On the new police starting salary they earn £9.13 per hour before tax to take the same risks as you. It may be wrong to pay people who protect us that but it's the going rate. You're not the only one earning £10 or less per hour and risking getting stabbed. What about the bar staff in venues which have no door staff? Some of them are on NMW and still taking the same risk.

No one FORCES you go to work and if you truly feel your personal safety is in jeopardy and the remuneration you receive is as woefully inadequate as you claim don't do it.

You are so wrong on many levels and for your information I chose to leave the industry when the wages hit £10 per hour because it wasnt worth the risk! I suffered a fractured neck and broken jaw after a completely unprovoked attack at work and the thug got a 6 month suspended sentence. The venue is plagued by rpoblems to this day and yet V can be shut down for seemingly one incident?Of course it matters what people are paid and just to make a point the police are paid extra for nights and they certainly dont get paid £9.13 an hour for night shifts. (Did you have to google that?).
Either you are a police officer or you have no idea what you are talking about and what people have to put up with working in the night time economy which for some they have to work night shifts on top of day work just to make ends meet. So for all its not a lifestyle choice or a fancy hobby to make them look hard. Its a way of feeding their families!

One incident! Pleasese get your facts right

Bob49 wrote:
I would suggest that before J Swain squeaks about Mr Carr has brought us in the way of clubs h or she has a look at who paid for them - as in how many times has he or clubs associated with him gone bankrupt.

How much money was lost/defrauded from local honest traders/tradesmen etc. How much was lost to the council, the txaman and utility providers.

He even bankrupted his development company owing yet again hundreds and hundreds of thousands.

Many my think this is down to incompetence - and having met him many might think they were right. However having done this so many times some actaully think it is fraud, theft , as good as.

Some might also think that, despit being banned from acting as a director he is actually runnig theV Club and merely using willing dupes as frontmen.

A jolly jape some might say. Getting one of the authorities, eh. A latter day Robin Hood - or a present day robbin' barstard more like. And if you want evidence of the latter then they should talk to the numerous honest folk who have lost money through his behaviour. That's the real story amongst all this - and no weasel words from his apologists on here will distract from that fact..

Well said mate everything he is involved with eventually turns to pig--t

Bob49 wrote:
I would suggest that before J Swain squeaks about Mr Carr has brought us in the way of clubs h or she has a look at who paid for them - as in how many times has he or clubs associated with him gone bankrupt.

How much money was lost/defrauded from local honest traders/tradesmen etc. How much was lost to the council, the txaman and utility providers.

He even bankrupted his development company owing yet again hundreds and hundreds of thousands.

Many my think this is down to incompetence - and having met him many might think they were right. However having done this so many times some actaully think it is fraud, theft , as good as.

Some might also think that, despit being banned from acting as a director he is actually runnig theV Club and merely using willing dupes as frontmen.

A jolly jape some might say. Getting one of the authorities, eh. A latter day Robin Hood - or a present day robbin' barstard more like. And if you want evidence of the latter then they should talk to the numerous honest folk who have lost money through his behaviour. That's the real story amongst all this - and no weasel words from his apologists on here will distract from that fact..

Well said mate everything he is involved with eventually turns to pig--t

I find it hilarious how so many people are waffling on about how dangerous V is and why nothing was done about it. V IS NOT, by and large, a dangerous club- it is mainly filled with students, and having been there myself many times I have never witnessed a fight. This incident with the knife seems to be extremely isolated- can anybody name the last time somebody was stabbed on/near the premises? You are going to get idiots in every club who cause trouble, it's part and parcel of going out I'm afraid. It's not like people are getting knifed here every week for goodness sakes. Not a great club purely for the fact that it is stuffy and overcrowded but there are certainly a lot worse places you could go in England.

"I have never met/worked for/have any opinion of or am owed money by Richard Carr"(Mr Pitiful)


.......... is Richard Carr's fault.!(Mr Pitiful)


"Like I said, I have no connection with him whatsoever and all I know is what I have read about him here" (Mr Pitiful)


hmmm .... some might consider that 'the laddie doth protest much, methinks'

more so when we get this gleeful and triumphal post

"Just to let those who are interested know as well - The V Club "Re-opening" party will be held on Saturday March 9th!!" ......it further follows up with ticket information

well well, such prompt knowledge from someone who has supposedly never met Mr Carr


surely this level of devotion requires it's own reward - enmployment by Mr Carr at his club as a 'consultant' perhaps ?

Bob49 wrote:
I would suggest that before J Swain squeaks about Mr Carr has brought us in the way of clubs h or she has a look at who paid for them - as in how many times has he or clubs associated with him gone bankrupt.

How much money was lost/defrauded from local honest traders/tradesmen etc. How much was lost to the council, the txaman and utility providers.

He even bankrupted his development company owing yet again hundreds and hundreds of thousands.

Many my think this is down to incompetence - and having met him many might think they were right. However having done this so many times some actaully think it is fraud, theft , as good as.

Some might also think that, despit being banned from acting as a director he is actually runnig theV Club and merely using willing dupes as frontmen.

A jolly jape some might say. Getting one of the authorities, eh. A latter day Robin Hood - or a present day robbin' barstard more like. And if you want evidence of the latter then they should talk to the numerous honest folk who have lost money through his behaviour. That's the real story amongst all this - and no weasel words from his apologists on here will distract from that fact..

Bob 49 Absolutely correct.A Good Truthfull comment .

Bob49 wrote:
"I have never met/worked for/have any opinion of or am owed money by Richard Carr"(Mr Pitiful)


.......... is Richard Carr's fault.!(Mr Pitiful)


"Like I said, I have no connection with him whatsoever and all I know is what I have read about him here" (Mr Pitiful)


hmmm .... some might consider that 'the laddie doth protest much, methinks'

more so when we get this gleeful and triumphal post

"Just to let those who are interested know as well - The V Club "Re-opening" party will be held on Saturday March 9th!!" ......it further follows up with ticket information

well well, such prompt knowledge from someone who has supposedly never met Mr Carr


surely this level of devotion requires it's own reward - enmployment by Mr Carr at his club as a 'consultant' perhaps ?

Well well, Old Bob! - I thought you had retired and given up chopping up people's comments and taking them out of context Bob - especially since the Echo no longer stick up any surf reef "stories" for you to rub your thighs over.

Perhaps you could use your connections in the local council to inform us all what YOU know about their plans for the future of V - or any other night club in town for that matter.

Strange that - your family connection in the local council but you're always on here calling them down for everything!

Sorry - I've never met Richard Carr so no opinion of him either way really. If he has let people down and if he does owe many folk a lot of money, that's his and unfortunately, their problem to sort out. How this makes him responsible for some lunatic slashing another innocent guy's face is still beyond me though. As usual, you apparently deem yourself as the font of all knowledge in this and you're never wrong so perhaps you could enlighten us?

With regards to my "gleeful" and "triumphal" (?) post - I follow the V club along with many other clubs on Twitter and Facebook by way of keeping abreast with forthcoming events. - I love a good night out!
I was merely re-iterating their announcement for those like myself who do attend the club from time to time and can therefore form an opinion based on fact and experience as opposed to the silly bus-stop tittle-tattle banded around by people like yourself.

And finally... thanks for the career change suggestion but I wouldn't want to work in a night club. I like my weekend, trouble-free nights out too much. It's hard being a social magnet but God knows I try.

Surely you will chop all this up & such a level of (not-so) clever editing requires its own reward for you too - employment by the Echo as "Self-indulgent Storyline Editing Consultant" perhaps??

mattys wrote:
I find it hilarious how so many people are waffling on about how dangerous V is and why nothing was done about it. V IS NOT, by and large, a dangerous club- it is mainly filled with students, and having been there myself many times I have never witnessed a fight. This incident with the knife seems to be extremely isolated- can anybody name the last time somebody was stabbed on/near the premises? You are going to get idiots in every club who cause trouble, it's part and parcel of going out I'm afraid. It's not like people are getting knifed here every week for goodness sakes. Not a great club purely for the fact that it is stuffy and overcrowded but there are certainly a lot worse places you could go in England.

A balanced comment and well said - unfortunately the content will go over the heads of some here and be totally ignored or taken out of context and misquoted by others.

Blimey Bob49!

Just been reading some of your comments above. Hope you don't mind but I've taken a few quotes out of them, - in the same manner you quote others - in particular with reference to your apparent mate, Mr Carr!

Here goes:

Bob49 says...
10:35pm Thu 14 Feb 13

"maximum use of Mr Carr's undoubted knowledge in this particular field - and also reward him for his proven efforts.
friendly Mr Carr" (Bob49)

Bob49 says...
11:54am Fri 15 Feb 13

"(I)...defend the club" (Bob49)

Bob49 says...
12:53pm Sat 16 Feb 13

"Mr Carr has brought us in the way of clubs - look at who paid for them.* (Bob49)

"having met him ….so many times
A jolly…latter day Robin Hood" (Bob49)

My word - it looks like your more than a consultant to him! Very cosy.

Methinks there is a possible conflict of intersts here. Someone with local council connections so apparently well-connected with a local night-club consultant/bankrupte
e!!

Hope the Echo are going to investigate!

Dear me, what a sad life you must have posting on here at 4am on a Sunday morning - and as you say you have no interest in defending Mr Carr ... well, well.

Makes you wonder if there is anything that keeps Mr Carr up as well at such an unearthly hour.

Or if he would feel the need to spend so much time defending someone 'he has never met'.

Poppy_ wrote:
Some of your comments above are nearly laughable and the only reason you are commenting is because of your dislike to Mr Carr, this has nothing to do with him. For those of you jumping the gun and are too quick to say that it is an unsafe venue V has the best security team in Bournemouth. As for V not being managed well it is one of the only clubs in Bournemouth that has an I'd scanner on the front door to prevent people who have been banned from other clubs or been involved with the police or have any previous dealings with violence from coming into the venue, so for those of you who say V didn't take the correct measures, then find yourselves mistaken. V has an I'd scanner, strong security team and a welfare officer in their venue, an incident like this is unfortunate and devastating to the victim but for those of you who have actually lived in Bournemouth nightlife why don't you cast your minds back to when two people got stabbed in elements and when there was a Gunman in another club in the town and nothing was done about it the clubs wernt shut down. It is only for the reason that it has been publicised and for your dislike to Mr Carr that a lot of you are so happy to comment. V is a tourist attraction and people come from all over the UK for a night out to the venue. I feel the need to correct someone above that this is now the forth venue to be shut down in Bournemouth as well as bliss and chilli white, and priva in the triangle loosing their licence because of drugs but covering their tracks well by putting their name onto another existing club. As many of you have already said this could have happened anywhere and for those of you who are quick to jump to the gun, licensing visit v on a regular basis and never have any queries or doubts it is just for this incident which could have happened anywhere! Now where are over 1000 people going to go? I feel the need to correct those of you who think v has a capacity of 700 as it got expanded when it turned into a superclub. Only time will tell when the next incident will occur and we will see how said purple are to react to that. Good luck to Bournemouth now having only a handful of clubs open which are only bars and not really clubs. This is going to cause a much bigger issue in the long run and loose not only the hardworking people who worked their but a lot of local businesses a lot of money!

Do they search people for weapons?

Bob49 wrote:
Dear me, what a sad life you must have posting on here at 4am on a Sunday morning - and as you say you have no interest in defending Mr Carr ... well, well.

Makes you wonder if there is anything that keeps Mr Carr up as well at such an unearthly hour.

Or if he would feel the need to spend so much time defending someone 'he has never met'.

Try again Old Bob!

Not a sad life - just a busy one. I arrived home at 3am Sunday morning from work - just driven down from Birmingham actually - not sure why you deem that relevant but there you go.. I came across your nonsensical ramblings so I thought I would reply in the hope you might have learnt the ability to hold proper debate during your recent absence.

Like I said previously -( please read my comments in full Bob for your optimum comprehension ) I'm not defending or attacking Richard Carr. Don't know the guy and probably never will but at the same time, I'm not as foolish as others - seemingly including yourself - in believing everything that is written or said about him or any other individual in a local paper or bus-stop. I'm certainly not obsessed to the point at wondering what keeps him possibly awake at night!! How ridiculous that sounds.

Still don't know how you associate the wound inflicted on this poor guy to Richard Carr or anyone else other than the attacker and I hope the scum who did this gets what's coming.

Bob49 wrote:
Dear me, what a sad life you must have posting on here at 4am on a Sunday morning - and as you say you have no interest in defending Mr Carr ... well, well.

Makes you wonder if there is anything that keeps Mr Carr up as well at such an unearthly hour.

Or if he would feel the need to spend so much time defending someone 'he has never met'.

Try again Old Bob!

Not a sad life - just a busy one. I arrived home at 3am Sunday morning from work - just driven down from Birmingham actually - not sure why you deem that relevant but there you go.. I came across your nonsensical ramblings so I thought I would reply in the hope you might have learnt the ability to hold proper debate during your recent absence.

Like I said previously -( please read my comments in full Bob for your optimum comprehension ) I'm not defending or attacking Richard Carr. Don't know the guy and probably never will but at the same time, I'm not as foolish as others - seemingly including yourself - in believing everything that is written or said about him or any other individual in a local paper or bus-stop. I'm certainly not obsessed to the point at wondering what keeps him possibly awake at night!! How ridiculous that sounds.

Still don't know how you associate the wound inflicted on this poor guy to Richard Carr or anyone else other than the attacker and I hope the scum who did this gets what's coming.

I wprked for Mr Carr for a few years and found him to be a very generous boss.
The only boss who I worked for that gave a christmas bonus and two bottles of reasonable bubbly plus expensive chocolates.
Why the emnity towards a genuine local?
Credit where credit is due!

Seabeam wrote:
I wprked for Mr Carr for a few years and found him to be a very generous boss.
The only boss who I worked for that gave a christmas bonus and two bottles of reasonable bubbly plus expensive chocolates.
Why the emnity towards a genuine local?
Credit where credit is due!

Ooh blimey - you're in trouble now. How dare you say a good word about the guy - especially one from actual experience.

The OBBB's (Old Bournemouth Bus-station Biddies) who rule this forum hate that sort of thing.

Seabeam wrote:
I wprked for Mr Carr for a few years and found him to be a very generous boss.
The only boss who I worked for that gave a christmas bonus and two bottles of reasonable bubbly plus expensive chocolates.
Why the emnity towards a genuine local?
Credit where credit is due!

Yes and the reason he could afford two bottles of bubbly and expensive chocolates for his employers was because he had/was going to rip a supplier off by going bankrupt and not paying them.

Being flash with your money but failing to pay your utilities/tax isn't really a quality deserving of credit.

Good news, Richard Carr no longer owns the club. It has been sold on, hopefully the new owner will do great things with it (if the licensing board let it re-open).

Good news, Richard Carr no longer owns the club. It has been sold on, hopefully the new owner will do great things with it (if the licensing board let it re-open).

CharL89 wrote:
Shutting V is not the answer, this incident could have happened in any bar or nightclub & has nothing to do with how the club is run. The knife could have been pulled out in the street then who would be blamed? At least 50 people could lose their jobs & this superclub IS a tourist attraction, Bournemouth wont have much left if V goes aswel. The council need to look at the bigger picture.

I'm so glad V has FINALLY been closed. It causes nothing but trouble, and brings in so many people who do nothing but get paraletic drunk and/or cause heaps of trouble! V has been the source of most of the trouble in the town centre ever since it has opened - no other clubs have EVER been as bad. Bournemouth doesnt need people attracted to visit with the prospects of cheap booze and party nights, the town centre is so bad sometimes I'm scared to be travelling home alone. Bournemouth needs a good clear out of drunken louts, criminals and generally nasty people, we've been saturated with them ever since club managers have been determined to change Bournemouth's tourist scene from summer sunny beaches to some stupid clubbing resort. I don't want my home town to be the British version of the Malia club strip or the various other "party" destinations - those places are appalling and the people that visit them often aren't very nice! It's time to clean up Bournemouth's streets, its long overdue. We attract many tourist for holidays - we dont need to attract drunkards!

coops903 wrote:
The only type of people taking knifes to clubs with them are scared, little men. They have full intention to get into a fight, so they take a knife with them as they know they couldn't win with their own strength. So what are the police doing about it? Nothing. They won't find the person who did it, they never find the countless people who mug in bournemouth gardens, they don't stop Spanish students from getting their heads cut off. The bounremouth police are a JOKE. All they do is enforce parking offences. They are not police officers, they are glorified traffic wardens. They do not want to get their hands dirty so they just give out traffic fines, to get their numbers up. Anyone can become a Bournemouth police officer, most of them are overweight desk jockeys/couch potatoes filth that would sh*t themselves if they were faced with any real police work.

The police in Bournemouth do a wonderful job, despite the fact they are plagued with people like you and they are so underfunded it is a joke. They work their hardest, despite the numerous laws that make their job so much harder, and people who go out of their way to insult them and cause trouble. They have so many officers in desk jobs due to the sheer amount ridiculous paperwork government laws have forced upon them, but their street teams do their hardest to keep Bournemouth safe. As for that poor Spanish student, are you kidding me? No one could have predicted whatever psychotic breakdown his attacker suffered. Do you really think the police ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD are going to be spending time warning people of how to defend themselves if a flatmate has a psychotic breakdown and tries to butcher them? Oh yes because that totally happens all the time. Don't start bringing in freak occurences to suggest that decent hardworking people don't do enough. That event was totally unpredictable, incredibly sad, but not something ANYONE could have prevented. Not even one of those fake psychics you find hanging around trying to scam money out of people. Bournemouth police a joke? You're more of a joke than they are.