Dorset to get £130,000 towards traffic-free cycleway as government gets "serious about cycling" (From Thisisdorset)
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Dorset to get £130,000 towards traffic-free cycleway as government gets "serious about cycling"
5:10am Thursday 31st January 2013 in Latest By Melanie Vass
Bournemouth to get £130,000 towards traffic-free cycleway as government gets "serious about cycling"
CYCLE facilities in Dorset are in line for a cash boost after the government announced plans to spend £62million promoting cycling.
Dorset will receive £130,000 to upgrade a bridleway and create a traffic-free cycleway route from Trickett’s Cross to Bournemouth Airport.
And £495,000 will be spent creating 258 new cycle parking spaces at 11 railway stations across the south, including Bournemouth, Brockenhurst, Christchurch,. Southampton Airport Parkway and Weymouth.
Sue McGowan, management engineer for Dorset County Council, said the bridleway improvements would encourage commuters to cycle rather than drive.
“We are upgrading the surface and widening it in some parts,” he said.
“We want to provide a better route to link the local communities of Tricketts Cross and Ferndown with the airport and its adjacent business park, so that people can cycle to work more easily. The work will be managed by our rights of way team and will be delivered as part of the Bournemouth, Poole and Dorset Local Transport Plan.”
Transport minister Norman Baker said it is the biggest ever allocation of cycling funds.
“We are serious about cycling, as this latest wave of funding shows,” he said.
“We have already seen how schemes can quickly deliver economic and environmental benefits as well as improving public health.
“Anyone who rides a bike will know it is important to keep the impetus going and this record level of funding will provide a shot in the arm to cycling in England.”
This map shows Trickett's Cross and Bournemouth Airport
- See a breakdown of how the money will be shared by region here
Comments(78)
mysticalshoelace
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11:45am Wed 30 Jan 13
Isosceles
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11:46am Wed 30 Jan 13
suzigirl
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11:47am Wed 30 Jan 13
Isosceles
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11:52am Wed 30 Jan 13
There will still be a drop-off fee, won't there?
mudeford7
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12:16pm Wed 30 Jan 13
glennzilla
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12:16pm Wed 30 Jan 13
rayc
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12:20pm Wed 30 Jan 13
That's approx. £2000 per space. Great business for some organisations, I wonder who will get the bulk of it?
Holes Bay Curve
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12:22pm Wed 30 Jan 13
PS, Cycle paths should be designed by cyclists - not planers who delight in placing meaningless 'Cycleway Ends' signage everywhere etc etc.
Perihelion
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12:23pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Gordon Cann
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12:27pm Wed 30 Jan 13
I recall a day in April 1945 cycling with school friends from Blandford down to Bournemouth to go on to the beach or cycling down to Lulworth Cove
No car until the age of 32.old fashioned may be , but healthy!!!
HRH of Boscombe
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12:28pm Wed 30 Jan 13
mysticalshoelace wrote:How is trying to get lazy toads out of their motors a waste of money?
Another waste of money, what we need are road improvements, ones that don't entail adding more traffic lights!
beachcomber1
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12:31pm Wed 30 Jan 13
clearly cycling and cyclists have the political clout at the moment, so us poor pedestrians will have to continue to suck it up as they further illegally take over the pavements and prom.
beachcomber1
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12:32pm Wed 30 Jan 13
suzigirl wrote:lol sad but true
What a waste of money! What is the point of cycle lanes when most cyclists don't use them - they prefer the pavements! Pedestrians should try walking in the cycle lanes......
Hessenford
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12:35pm Wed 30 Jan 13
John T
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12:35pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Isn't it ironic that our Government is robustly pursuing its Green Agenda to get people out of cars and onto bikes, just at the time when hundreds of millions of Chinese are ditching their bicycles for motor cars?
steveafcb
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12:42pm Wed 30 Jan 13
InkZ
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12:46pm Wed 30 Jan 13
I wonder if it will be a useful cycleway that you can take a roadbike on. If not then you may as well leave it as a bridalway.
I hate Bournemouth cycle lanes. I spend more time trying not to get run over coming out of the lanes to dodge buses and parked cars than feeling safe.
ekimnoslen
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1:01pm Wed 30 Jan 13
suzigirl
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1:08pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Arthur Maureen wrote:Are you an Arthur or a Martha? Don't happen to be a cyclist by any chance. I park my motorbike down at the quay in Poole which is adjacent to a cycle lane. If I am standing by/on the cycle lane and a cyclist approaches the looks and abuse I get is unbelievable - so why is it different when cyclists use the pavements? One rule for one and one rule for another!!
suzigirl wrote: What a waste of money! What is the point of cycle lanes when most cyclists don't use them - they prefer the pavements! Pedestrians should try walking in the cycle lanes......And the award for stupid comment of the day goes to...
Mikeyunibournemouth
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1:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13
bmthmark
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1:17pm Wed 30 Jan 13
suzigirl wrote:If you are standing on the cycle lane what do you expect as you are probably blocking the path. Why don't you move off the cycle lane then you won't get the looks??
Arthur Maureen wrote:Are you an Arthur or a Martha? Don't happen to be a cyclist by any chance. I park my motorbike down at the quay in Poole which is adjacent to a cycle lane. If I am standing by/on the cycle lane and a cyclist approaches the looks and abuse I get is unbelievable - so why is it different when cyclists use the pavements? One rule for one and one rule for another!!
suzigirl wrote: What a waste of money! What is the point of cycle lanes when most cyclists don't use them - they prefer the pavements! Pedestrians should try walking in the cycle lanes......And the award for stupid comment of the day goes to...
UZZY
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1:19pm Wed 30 Jan 13
beachcomber1 wrote:Here we go again...give it a rest & live & let live for goodness sake...get a life or a bike !!
rather droll the accompanying picture is of a group of cyclists on the Prom. pity the poor people trying for a relaxing stroll along it.
clearly cycling and cyclists have the political clout at the moment, so us poor pedestrians will have to continue to suck it up as they further illegally take over the pavements and prom.
BIGTONE
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1:27pm Wed 30 Jan 13
speedy231278
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1:31pm Wed 30 Jan 13
beachcomber1
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1:35pm Wed 30 Jan 13
UZZY wrote:i don't want a bike. i want to able to walk on the Prom and the pavement without constantly having to look out for lawbreaking cyclists. if you consider that as being unreasonable then i suggest .. actually i better not say that.
beachcomber1 wrote:Here we go again...give it a rest & live & let live for goodness sake...get a life or a bike !!
rather droll the accompanying picture is of a group of cyclists on the Prom. pity the poor people trying for a relaxing stroll along it.
clearly cycling and cyclists have the political clout at the moment, so us poor pedestrians will have to continue to suck it up as they further illegally take over the pavements and prom.
Repo
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1:37pm Wed 30 Jan 13
suzigirl wrote:Plenty of cars and motorbikes drive and park on the pavements, and plenty of pedestrians walk on the roads and cycle paths: We are all a bit naughty aren't we ???? We ALL need to show a bit of respect however we choose to travel and I suggest that those of us with the most dangerous modes of transport should show the most consideration and responsibility.
Arthur Maureen wrote:Are you an Arthur or a Martha? Don't happen to be a cyclist by any chance. I park my motorbike down at the quay in Poole which is adjacent to a cycle lane. If I am standing by/on the cycle lane and a cyclist approaches the looks and abuse I get is unbelievable - so why is it different when cyclists use the pavements? One rule for one and one rule for another!!
suzigirl wrote: What a waste of money! What is the point of cycle lanes when most cyclists don't use them - they prefer the pavements! Pedestrians should try walking in the cycle lanes......And the award for stupid comment of the day goes to...
Holdenhurst
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1:43pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Perihelion wrote:I'm guessing the route is aimed at those who work in the large industrial areas at the airport as opposed to those taking flight.
Excuse me Echo, but all the route between Trickett's Cross and The Airport is outside Bournemouth. And another thing - how many people would cycle to the airport with their suitcases to go on holiday? What an odd choice of route to fund.
Brian Badonde
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1:51pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Traffic-free routes are what we need more of, not the current practice of painting a white line down the road or turning a pavement into a cycle lane.
We need a network of safe cycle routes - completely separated from traffic - before people will be enticed to leave their cars at home.
It's simply too dangerous to travel by bike on many of Poole and Bournemouth's roads at the moment.
jeebuscripes
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1:58pm Wed 30 Jan 13
It's not about cycling, it's not about walking or driving. It's about respect for each other.
Sharing space is necessary at times.
Some people can't seem to stand to do so.
Ayles 10
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2:06pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Isosceles wrote:Fantastic idea, or make all the MAMIL's take road awareness courses before being allowed (for free) to cause merry hell on our roads with no regard to drivers.
It is about time that they had a cycleway from the M3 at Eastleigh through to Exeter to get some of these dang cyclists off the other roads (:o)
FNS-man
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2:09pm Wed 30 Jan 13
1. It's not that much
The Treasury said that when reducing fuel duty increases last year that "Taken together, the government's support has been worth £5.5bn and means that pump prices are 10p a litre cheaper than they otherwise would have been".
And the government are crowing about £62m for cycling?
The Dutch spend about £15 per head on cycling per year (so about £900m for the UK population), and they've already got excellent facilities.
2. Who wants to cycle from Trickett's Cross to Bournemouth Airport?
I'd imagine people on a leisure cycle at the weekend. It's not that sort of facility that we need. What we need to do is make it safe for children to cycle around: to school, to see their friends and to go to their various activities.
When this is true then we'll have facilities that are suitable for everyone to cycle.
FNS-man
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2:12pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Ayles 10 wrote:Merry hell? Please show me where a motorist has been killed or injured by a cyclist.
Isosceles wrote: It is about time that they had a cycleway from the M3 at Eastleigh through to Exeter to get some of these dang cyclists off the other roads (:o)Fantastic idea, or make all the MAMIL's take road awareness courses before being allowed (for free) to cause merry hell on our roads with no regard to drivers.
And for free? The roads are paid for from council tax, and general taxation. Given I pay a shed-load of tax, I pay a ridiculous amount to use the terrible facilities that are provided for cyclists.
Jacobsmith95
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2:33pm Wed 30 Jan 13
ranger_bob
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2:35pm Wed 30 Jan 13
beachcomber1 wrote:Cycled along the Prom this morning. It was windy as anything and pouring with rain so i pretty much had it to myself. I cruised down the prom without pesky dog walkers or pedestrians - wonderful!
UZZY wrote:i don't want a bike. i want to able to walk on the Prom and the pavement without constantly having to look out for lawbreaking cyclists. if you consider that as being unreasonable then i suggest .. actually i better not say that.
beachcomber1 wrote:Here we go again...give it a rest & live & let live for goodness sake...get a life or a bike !!
rather droll the accompanying picture is of a group of cyclists on the Prom. pity the poor people trying for a relaxing stroll along it.
clearly cycling and cyclists have the political clout at the moment, so us poor pedestrians will have to continue to suck it up as they further illegally take over the pavements and prom.
oneshortleg
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2:36pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Professor Zaroff
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2:39pm Wed 30 Jan 13
suzigirl
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2:52pm Wed 30 Jan 13
bmthmark wrote:So it is okay for cyclists to use the pavements but pedestrians cannot stand in a cycle lane?
suzigirl wrote:If you are standing on the cycle lane what do you expect as you are probably blocking the path. Why don't you move off the cycle lane then you won't get the looks??Arthur Maureen wrote:Are you an Arthur or a Martha? Don't happen to be a cyclist by any chance. I park my motorbike down at the quay in Poole which is adjacent to a cycle lane. If I am standing by/on the cycle lane and a cyclist approaches the looks and abuse I get is unbelievable - so why is it different when cyclists use the pavements? One rule for one and one rule for another!!suzigirl wrote: What a waste of money! What is the point of cycle lanes when most cyclists don't use them - they prefer the pavements! Pedestrians should try walking in the cycle lanes......And the award for stupid comment of the day goes to...
cmci2012
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3:39pm Wed 30 Jan 13
bmthmark
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3:46pm Wed 30 Jan 13
suzigirl wrote:I haven't said that at all. All I have said is that the reason you are getting funny looks is because you are standing in the way of the bikes attempting to get pass. Try moving your butt out of the way then they will be happy and hopefully you will be happy as they won't give you strange looks.
bmthmark wrote:So it is okay for cyclists to use the pavements but pedestrians cannot stand in a cycle lane?
suzigirl wrote:If you are standing on the cycle lane what do you expect as you are probably blocking the path. Why don't you move off the cycle lane then you won't get the looks??Arthur Maureen wrote:Are you an Arthur or a Martha? Don't happen to be a cyclist by any chance. I park my motorbike down at the quay in Poole which is adjacent to a cycle lane. If I am standing by/on the cycle lane and a cyclist approaches the looks and abuse I get is unbelievable - so why is it different when cyclists use the pavements? One rule for one and one rule for another!!suzigirl wrote: What a waste of money! What is the point of cycle lanes when most cyclists don't use them - they prefer the pavements! Pedestrians should try walking in the cycle lanes......And the award for stupid comment of the day goes to...
It is quite simple
Repo
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3:50pm Wed 30 Jan 13
suzigirl wrote:are you for real ???
bmthmark wrote:So it is okay for cyclists to use the pavements but pedestrians cannot stand in a cycle lane?
suzigirl wrote:If you are standing on the cycle lane what do you expect as you are probably blocking the path. Why don't you move off the cycle lane then you won't get the looks??Arthur Maureen wrote:Are you an Arthur or a Martha? Don't happen to be a cyclist by any chance. I park my motorbike down at the quay in Poole which is adjacent to a cycle lane. If I am standing by/on the cycle lane and a cyclist approaches the looks and abuse I get is unbelievable - so why is it different when cyclists use the pavements? One rule for one and one rule for another!!suzigirl wrote: What a waste of money! What is the point of cycle lanes when most cyclists don't use them - they prefer the pavements! Pedestrians should try walking in the cycle lanes......And the award for stupid comment of the day goes to...
mmmmmmm
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3:50pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Phixer
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4:22pm Wed 30 Jan 13
HRH of Boscombe wrote:Because it won't work. Too much cash will be thrown away at consultants and useless signage.
mysticalshoelace wrote:How is trying to get lazy toads out of their motors a waste of money?
Another waste of money, what we need are road improvements, ones that don't entail adding more traffic lights!
Phixer
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4:29pm Wed 30 Jan 13
John T wrote:If you had ever travelled further east than Cyprus, you would have seen that the Chineses and other Asians have actually ditched their bicycles for mopeds, not cars.
Transport minister Norman Baker said: 'We have already seen how schemes can quickly deliver economic and environmental benefits.'
Isn't it ironic that our Government is robustly pursuing its Green Agenda to get people out of cars and onto bikes, just at the time when hundreds of millions of Chinese are ditching their bicycles for motor cars?
nothingtofear
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4:33pm Wed 30 Jan 13
FNS-man wrote:And what on earth is a MAMIL?
Ayles 10 wrote:Merry hell? Please show me where a motorist has been killed or injured by a cyclist.
Isosceles wrote: It is about time that they had a cycleway from the M3 at Eastleigh through to Exeter to get some of these dang cyclists off the other roads (:o)Fantastic idea, or make all the MAMIL's take road awareness courses before being allowed (for free) to cause merry hell on our roads with no regard to drivers.
And for free? The roads are paid for from council tax, and general taxation. Given I pay a shed-load of tax, I pay a ridiculous amount to use the terrible facilities that are provided for cyclists.
suzigirl
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4:45pm Wed 30 Jan 13
cmci2012 wrote:That is really good of you to have respect for pedestrians cycling on the pavement when it is illegal. So basically you are admitting to breaking the law then. Do you also go through red traffic lights?
I have to agree with jeebuscripes, it is about respect for others and its a sad world we live in when its all about dividing people... cyclists v motorists yet again. I admit that I cycle on some of the pavements, personally I find it far too scary and dangerous to ride on the roads. I'll cycle on quiet back street roads but some of these main roads are just lethal. But when I do cycle on pavements I do it slowly and sensibly and have respect for pedestrians, I always slow down for them and I simply wont cycle on pavements that are busy. It's about common sense and respect. There are far more serious issues going on in the world.
suzigirl
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4:53pm Wed 30 Jan 13
bmthmark wrote:The point I am trying to make is why do cyclists think it is okay to ride on the pavements which is illegal, irritating pedestrians and in some cases causing injuries to pedestrians who get in their way but they get annoyed if a pedestrian is standing in a cycle lane?
suzigirl wrote:I haven't said that at all. All I have said is that the reason you are getting funny looks is because you are standing in the way of the bikes attempting to get pass. Try moving your butt out of the way then they will be happy and hopefully you will be happy as they won't give you strange looks. It is quite simplebmthmark wrote:So it is okay for cyclists to use the pavements but pedestrians cannot stand in a cycle lane?suzigirl wrote:If you are standing on the cycle lane what do you expect as you are probably blocking the path. Why don't you move off the cycle lane then you won't get the looks??Arthur Maureen wrote:Are you an Arthur or a Martha? Don't happen to be a cyclist by any chance. I park my motorbike down at the quay in Poole which is adjacent to a cycle lane. If I am standing by/on the cycle lane and a cyclist approaches the looks and abuse I get is unbelievable - so why is it different when cyclists use the pavements? One rule for one and one rule for another!!suzigirl wrote: What a waste of money! What is the point of cycle lanes when most cyclists don't use them - they prefer the pavements! Pedestrians should try walking in the cycle lanes......And the award for stupid comment of the day goes to...
I also do not like your reference to "my butt" which looks very good in leathers thank you very much!
drJones
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4:53pm Wed 30 Jan 13
bobsworthforever
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5:05pm Wed 30 Jan 13
FNS-man wrote:absolute garbage i pay all those taxes and pay fuel duty road tax insurance costs on top thats why motorists should be considered before cyclists there are loads of better things to finance than this daft scheme
Ayles 10 wrote:Merry hell? Please show me where a motorist has been killed or injured by a cyclist.
Isosceles wrote: It is about time that they had a cycleway from the M3 at Eastleigh through to Exeter to get some of these dang cyclists off the other roads (:o)Fantastic idea, or make all the MAMIL's take road awareness courses before being allowed (for free) to cause merry hell on our roads with no regard to drivers.
And for free? The roads are paid for from council tax, and general taxation. Given I pay a shed-load of tax, I pay a ridiculous amount to use the terrible facilities that are provided for cyclists.
The-Bleeding-Obvious
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5:07pm Wed 30 Jan 13
suzigirl wrote:Most pavements are deserted most of the time, well over a hundred cyclists are killed on the roads every year but less than one pedestrian is killed per year by cyclists on pavements. Thus cyclists are at far greater risk from cars than pedestrians are from cyclists so making all pavements shared routes would save lives.
bmthmark wrote:The point I am trying to make is why do cyclists think it is okay to ride on the pavements which is illegal, irritating pedestrians and in some cases causing injuries to pedestrians who get in their way but they get annoyed if a pedestrian is standing in a cycle lane? I also do not like your reference to "my butt" which looks very good in leathers thank you very much!suzigirl wrote:I haven't said that at all. All I have said is that the reason you are getting funny looks is because you are standing in the way of the bikes attempting to get pass. Try moving your butt out of the way then they will be happy and hopefully you will be happy as they won't give you strange looks. It is quite simplebmthmark wrote:So it is okay for cyclists to use the pavements but pedestrians cannot stand in a cycle lane?suzigirl wrote:If you are standing on the cycle lane what do you expect as you are probably blocking the path. Why don't you move off the cycle lane then you won't get the looks??Arthur Maureen wrote:Are you an Arthur or a Martha? Don't happen to be a cyclist by any chance. I park my motorbike down at the quay in Poole which is adjacent to a cycle lane. If I am standing by/on the cycle lane and a cyclist approaches the looks and abuse I get is unbelievable - so why is it different when cyclists use the pavements? One rule for one and one rule for another!!suzigirl wrote: What a waste of money! What is the point of cycle lanes when most cyclists don't use them - they prefer the pavements! Pedestrians should try walking in the cycle lanes......And the award for stupid comment of the day goes to...
geoffro
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5:09pm Wed 30 Jan 13
rayc
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5:21pm Wed 30 Jan 13
drJones wrote:"why do you lot continue to moan and complain, it makes no difference what you say."
why do you lot continue to moan and complain, it makes no difference what you say. As someone else mentioned much bigger issues in this world to be worried about. Wake up and do something productive, just a thread of people moaning and complaining.
Exactly. The views of the average person will make not one bit of difference to what local and central governments do. Talk of democracy is just that - talk.
Chiqqy
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5:27pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Everyone should have a bit more respect for each other and look out for each other.
And that's the worst thing....people who don't look, both drivers and cyclists.
As for the cycle lane to the airport idea, loads of people work in and around the airport and it would encourage more people maybe to cycle to work if they only live a few miles away.
Personally I'd love a cycle lane from Christchurch to Ringwood. The Avon Causeway etc is too dangerous for cyclists and it would be nice to get to the New Forest without getting a train in between.
mmmmmmm
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5:52pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Ayles 10
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6:27pm Wed 30 Jan 13
nothingtofear wrote:A MAMIL is a middle aged man in Lycra
FNS-man wrote:And what on earth is a MAMIL?
Ayles 10 wrote:Merry hell? Please show me where a motorist has been killed or injured by a cyclist.
Isosceles wrote: It is about time that they had a cycleway from the M3 at Eastleigh through to Exeter to get some of these dang cyclists off the other roads (:o)Fantastic idea, or make all the MAMIL's take road awareness courses before being allowed (for free) to cause merry hell on our roads with no regard to drivers.
And for free? The roads are paid for from council tax, and general taxation. Given I pay a shed-load of tax, I pay a ridiculous amount to use the terrible facilities that are provided for cyclists.
cmci2012
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7:18pm Wed 30 Jan 13
suzigirl wrote:Bit hard to go through red lights when riding on a pavement!!
cmci2012 wrote:That is really good of you to have respect for pedestrians cycling on the pavement when it is illegal. So basically you are admitting to breaking the law then. Do you also go through red traffic lights?
I have to agree with jeebuscripes, it is about respect for others and its a sad world we live in when its all about dividing people... cyclists v motorists yet again. I admit that I cycle on some of the pavements, personally I find it far too scary and dangerous to ride on the roads. I'll cycle on quiet back street roads but some of these main roads are just lethal. But when I do cycle on pavements I do it slowly and sensibly and have respect for pedestrians, I always slow down for them and I simply wont cycle on pavements that are busy. It's about common sense and respect. There are far more serious issues going on in the world.
Basically I treasure my life so I feel safer on a pavement, every week we hear about a cyclist injured or killed on our roads, I dont recall many reports of injured cyclists on pavements or pedestrians injured by cyclists on pavements. My neices and nephews also come with us out on their bikes to the local park, they are 5 and 6, shall they go on the road too? As I said its using common sense and giving respect for others and having awareness of whats around you. Funny thing is a few weeks ago I was riding on the road when a couple suddenly decided to cross the road, didn't bother looking just kept chatting away and didn't even see me. I'm assuming as they couldnt hear me (or any other traffic) they thought it was ok to cross. Luckily I managed to avoid them. It seems us cyclists can do nothing right. And yes I do drive also.
The Liberal
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9:19pm Wed 30 Jan 13
rayc wrote:I noticed that too. It does seem an awful lot. Apparently, the spaces are in 'new secure cycle compounds'.
"£495,000 for a total of 258 new cycle parking spaces at 11 railway stations "
That's approx. £2000 per space. Great business for some organisations, I wonder who will get the bulk of it?
The Liberal
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9:22pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Letcommonsenseprevail
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9:34pm Wed 30 Jan 13
beachcomber1 wrote:Er, check your facts, not illegal to ride on the pavement.....
rather droll the accompanying picture is of a group of cyclists on the Prom. pity the poor people trying for a relaxing stroll along it.
clearly cycling and cyclists have the political clout at the moment, so us poor pedestrians will have to continue to suck it up as they further illegally take over the pavements and prom.
bournenbred
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9:37pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Where will all the revenue from fuel duty come from ?
Letcommonsenseprevail
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9:37pm Wed 30 Jan 13
manyogie wrote:Think again. I pay road tax for my car, but choose to leave it at home and ride my bike. My bike wears out the road less than your car, so arguably I pay more tax than a car driver ....... Food for thought?
HRH of Boscombe wrote:because, without the lazy toads money, you would'nt have roads, let alone cycle paths
mysticalshoelace wrote:How is trying to get lazy toads out of their motors a waste of money?
Another waste of money, what we need are road improvements, ones that don't entail adding more traffic lights!
The motorists support the roads, cyclists don't, argue, deny, rant and rave,but, you don't pay a penny whilst on the roads.
bournenbred
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9:43pm Wed 30 Jan 13
PLEAE READ and ABIDE !!!
https://www.gov.uk/r
ules-for-cyclists-59
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o-71
sollie
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10:22pm Wed 30 Jan 13
When are we going to get a cycle track along Ham Lane. When a cyclist is killed or injured bay vehicle?
itsallaboutthebike
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10:34pm Wed 30 Jan 13
As mentioned above, roads are paid for out of general taxation, so we would have roads whether you decided to leave your car at home or not.
BBC Escapee
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10:35pm Wed 30 Jan 13
suzigirl wrote:.............a lot of them also prefer to use
What a waste of money! What is the point of cycle lanes when most cyclists don't use them - they prefer the pavements! Pedestrians should try walking in the cycle lanes......
the roads even when there is a cycle
path provided!
Like along the Christchurch Bypass where I regularly see cyclists that would prefer to cycle along this fast dual carriageway rather than use the purpose built cycle path.(Even on a dark wet night where sections of it are unlit)
MandinVerwood
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7:52am Thu 31 Jan 13
I see the usual protagonists are out in force under new pseudonyms (Hi Heather! are you a Quatro fan too?).
The money is being provided and at least our councils are going to try and do something with it. Hopefully it will be much better planned than the existing cycle paths that seem to be planned from behind a desk with no thought of the implications.
If road planners were to make a new road and then make it strewn with rubbish, big holes and drain covers to damage your wheels, and junctions where you have to stop and start every 20 metres to cross other roads, then I'm not sure many users would want to use it. But that is exactly what is expected of cyclists.
The traffic free cycle way seems a very good idea, and other ones in the country like the Bristol-Bath cycleway are very very popular.
suzigirl
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9:15am Thu 31 Jan 13
cmci2012 wrote:1. Does a bicycle make a lot of noise? How would they hear you? When walking my dog at Whitecliff or Dorset Way (on the pavement) the cyclists come whizzing past me from behind which can be alarming. One cyclist actually hit my dog and he went over his handlebars. Luckily he was okay but it could have been quite nasty. He was just going too fast!
suzigirl wrote:Bit hard to go through red lights when riding on a pavement!! Basically I treasure my life so I feel safer on a pavement, every week we hear about a cyclist injured or killed on our roads, I dont recall many reports of injured cyclists on pavements or pedestrians injured by cyclists on pavements. My neices and nephews also come with us out on their bikes to the local park, they are 5 and 6, shall they go on the road too? As I said its using common sense and giving respect for others and having awareness of whats around you. Funny thing is a few weeks ago I was riding on the road when a couple suddenly decided to cross the road, didn't bother looking just kept chatting away and didn't even see me. I'm assuming as they couldnt hear me (or any other traffic) they thought it was ok to cross. Luckily I managed to avoid them. It seems us cyclists can do nothing right. And yes I do drive also.cmci2012 wrote: I have to agree with jeebuscripes, it is about respect for others and its a sad world we live in when its all about dividing people... cyclists v motorists yet again. I admit that I cycle on some of the pavements, personally I find it far too scary and dangerous to ride on the roads. I'll cycle on quiet back street roads but some of these main roads are just lethal. But when I do cycle on pavements I do it slowly and sensibly and have respect for pedestrians, I always slow down for them and I simply wont cycle on pavements that are busy. It's about common sense and respect. There are far more serious issues going on in the world.That is really good of you to have respect for pedestrians cycling on the pavement when it is illegal. So basically you are admitting to breaking the law then. Do you also go through red traffic lights?
2. It is also unbelievable that you are teaching your neices and nephews to break the law at such a young age.
3. I am not against all cyclists just rogue ones - there are a lot of useless car drivers as well!
The Liberal
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9:24am Thu 31 Jan 13
bournenbred wrote:The 1835 Act prohibits cycling on a footpath "by the side of any road" and "set apart" for use by pedestrians only – and of course, some cycle paths are actually on pavements.
To all the know it all CYCLISTS !!
PLEAE READ and ABIDE !!!
https://www.gov.uk/r
ules-for-cyclists-59
-to-82/overview-59-t
o-71
So there is no blanket ban on cyclists riding on pavements/footpaths.
The Liberal
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9:29am Thu 31 Jan 13
I am not against all cyclists just rogue ones
That's very magnanimous of you. Now perhaps you would care to stop being a 'rogue' pedestrian and avoid standing in cycle lanes?
Azphreal
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9:58am Thu 31 Jan 13
Brian Badonde
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10:32am Thu 31 Jan 13
suzigirl wrote:The pavement on Dorset way is not a shared pedestrian/cycle route, it is a cycle route only, which is why the blue signs show a picture of a bicycle and not a picture showing both pedestrians and cyclists.
cmci2012 wrote:1. Does a bicycle make a lot of noise? How would they hear you? When walking my dog at Whitecliff or Dorset Way (on the pavement) the cyclists come whizzing past me from behind which can be alarming. One cyclist actually hit my dog and he went over his handlebars. Luckily he was okay but it could have been quite nasty. He was just going too fast!
suzigirl wrote:Bit hard to go through red lights when riding on a pavement!! Basically I treasure my life so I feel safer on a pavement, every week we hear about a cyclist injured or killed on our roads, I dont recall many reports of injured cyclists on pavements or pedestrians injured by cyclists on pavements. My neices and nephews also come with us out on their bikes to the local park, they are 5 and 6, shall they go on the road too? As I said its using common sense and giving respect for others and having awareness of whats around you. Funny thing is a few weeks ago I was riding on the road when a couple suddenly decided to cross the road, didn't bother looking just kept chatting away and didn't even see me. I'm assuming as they couldnt hear me (or any other traffic) they thought it was ok to cross. Luckily I managed to avoid them. It seems us cyclists can do nothing right. And yes I do drive also.cmci2012 wrote: I have to agree with jeebuscripes, it is about respect for others and its a sad world we live in when its all about dividing people... cyclists v motorists yet again. I admit that I cycle on some of the pavements, personally I find it far too scary and dangerous to ride on the roads. I'll cycle on quiet back street roads but some of these main roads are just lethal. But when I do cycle on pavements I do it slowly and sensibly and have respect for pedestrians, I always slow down for them and I simply wont cycle on pavements that are busy. It's about common sense and respect. There are far more serious issues going on in the world.That is really good of you to have respect for pedestrians cycling on the pavement when it is illegal. So basically you are admitting to breaking the law then. Do you also go through red traffic lights?
2. It is also unbelievable that you are teaching your neices and nephews to break the law at such a young age.
3. I am not against all cyclists just rogue ones - there are a lot of useless car drivers as well!
Additionally there are 'no pedestrians' signs at both ends of Canford Way and the Dorset Way/Canford Way roundabout, so I'm not sure you should be walking along there anyway.
cmci2012
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10:57am Thu 31 Jan 13
suzigirl wrote:I was not expecting them to hear me but they should have looked before stepping out, its what I would do when crossing a road, and yes I am quite happy to take my nieces and nephews out to have a bit of childhood fun, something that I imagine most of us would have done, riding your brand new bike to the park, they are hardly hardened criminals.
cmci2012 wrote:1. Does a bicycle make a lot of noise? How would they hear you? When walking my dog at Whitecliff or Dorset Way (on the pavement) the cyclists come whizzing past me from behind which can be alarming. One cyclist actually hit my dog and he went over his handlebars. Luckily he was okay but it could have been quite nasty. He was just going too fast!
suzigirl wrote:Bit hard to go through red lights when riding on a pavement!! Basically I treasure my life so I feel safer on a pavement, every week we hear about a cyclist injured or killed on our roads, I dont recall many reports of injured cyclists on pavements or pedestrians injured by cyclists on pavements. My neices and nephews also come with us out on their bikes to the local park, they are 5 and 6, shall they go on the road too? As I said its using common sense and giving respect for others and having awareness of whats around you. Funny thing is a few weeks ago I was riding on the road when a couple suddenly decided to cross the road, didn't bother looking just kept chatting away and didn't even see me. I'm assuming as they couldnt hear me (or any other traffic) they thought it was ok to cross. Luckily I managed to avoid them. It seems us cyclists can do nothing right. And yes I do drive also.cmci2012 wrote: I have to agree with jeebuscripes, it is about respect for others and its a sad world we live in when its all about dividing people... cyclists v motorists yet again. I admit that I cycle on some of the pavements, personally I find it far too scary and dangerous to ride on the roads. I'll cycle on quiet back street roads but some of these main roads are just lethal. But when I do cycle on pavements I do it slowly and sensibly and have respect for pedestrians, I always slow down for them and I simply wont cycle on pavements that are busy. It's about common sense and respect. There are far more serious issues going on in the world.That is really good of you to have respect for pedestrians cycling on the pavement when it is illegal. So basically you are admitting to breaking the law then. Do you also go through red traffic lights?
2. It is also unbelievable that you are teaching your neices and nephews to break the law at such a young age.
3. I am not against all cyclists just rogue ones - there are a lot of useless car drivers as well!
itsallaboutthebike
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6:42pm Thu 31 Jan 13
Omni314
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7:29pm Thu 31 Jan 13
bournenbred wrote:Turns out I'm a model cyclist. Good to see my common sense fits with the law.
To all the know it all CYCLISTS !!
PLEAE READ and ABIDE !!!
https://www.gov.uk/r
ules-for-cyclists-59
-to-82/overview-59-t
o-71
cycletourer
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5:41pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Now lets say V.E.D was introduced to cyclists.There are an estimated 20 million bicycles in the UK so lets say it would cost £5.00 per bike to set up a regerstration system for all so they can be taxed.That's £100 million cost to start with.It cost about a £1 to produce a V.E.D licence disk so to issue one to all cycles would be another £20 million.
Now we have to work out the class that the bicycle would come under to collect the revenue.A bicycle has zero emisions so would be a class A vehicle,like the 109 models of cars on our market.So the amount a cyclist would pay is £0.00 as does drivers of class A cars.
So in brief to keep the 'i pay road tax' brigade happy,an Approx£100 million outlay of tax payers money for a zero return is the best way to keep these people happy and issue cycles with a V.E.D disc. Simple really.
An jelly
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7:09pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Avengerboy
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10:52am Sun 3 Feb 13
davecook
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11:03am Wed 6 Feb 13
FNS-man wrote:One day we'll get decent roads for cars that are not clogged up by cyclists......
A few points:
1. It's not that much
The Treasury said that when reducing fuel duty increases last year that "Taken together, the government's support has been worth £5.5bn and means that pump prices are 10p a litre cheaper than they otherwise would have been".
And the government are crowing about £62m for cycling?
The Dutch spend about £15 per head on cycling per year (so about £900m for the UK population), and they've already got excellent facilities.
2. Who wants to cycle from Trickett's Cross to Bournemouth Airport?
I'd imagine people on a leisure cycle at the weekend. It's not that sort of facility that we need. What we need to do is make it safe for children to cycle around: to school, to see their friends and to go to their various activities.
When this is true then we'll have facilities that are suitable for everyone to cycle.
wonderway says...
11:40am Wed 30 Jan 13