Judgement day for £11m RNLI scheme in Poole (From Thisisdorset)

Where are the details of the height of the proposed development?
I seem to remember from a previous Echo story the height was well OTT.

BIGTONE wrote:
Where are the details of the height of the proposed development?
I seem to remember from a previous Echo story the height was well OTT.

Very good question.

BIGTONE wrote:
Where are the details of the height of the proposed development?
I seem to remember from a previous Echo story the height was well OTT.

Very good question,it could effect the views of a lot of swanage people,and we must not upset them.

no doubt the council will **** something up when a big company like the rnli want to get more jobs in the area.

"BIG SPENDERS: The RNLI hopes to gain approval from planners for the new £11.2m development". Do remember that the £11.2m money is money donated by 'jo public'. Surely in times such as these when there are redundancies and businesses closing up and down the country, now is not the time for one of the UK's top five wealthiest national charities to be seen spending such money as they may not get donations like they have had in the past, in the future. The charity states it will create 115 new jobs but there have been redundancies in quite large numbers for the past two years already within the charity.

How can it be creating 115 jobs? These services were carried out somewhere else before, and therefore 115 jobs will be lost at the previous supplier.

Bit like the usual new supermarket creating jobs lies. It's somewhere different to buy the same bread and milk you bought last week. New shelfstacking jobs in one store, less shelfstackers needed in the old one.

This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water.

benjamin wrote:
This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water.

I agree that industry is needed, however this is a charity we are talking about that relies on the public for donations. I'm afraid its irrespective of whether it fits in with Poole's maritime past, this is the current times and we have to look the future too. Jo Public just will not be able to donate as much in the future as they have done historically in the past as people will not have spare money anymore. I believe the charity should not be spending this sort of donated money, moreso holding onto what they have so it lasts longer.

I'm afraid it looks to a lot of people that they just have too much money if they can afford to spend this much. Its certainly not what I gave my money to be spent on.

Shaftsbury wrote:

benjamin wrote:
This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water.

I agree that industry is needed, however this is a charity we are talking about that relies on the public for donations. I'm afraid its irrespective of whether it fits in with Poole's maritime past, this is the current times and we have to look the future too. Jo Public just will not be able to donate as much in the future as they have done historically in the past as people will not have spare money anymore. I believe the charity should not be spending this sort of donated money, moreso holding onto what they have so it lasts longer.

I'm afraid it looks to a lot of people that they just have too much money if they can afford to spend this much. Its certainly not what I gave my money to be spent on.

This is an investment that the RNLI believes it needs to produce the best results from the donations they receive. As "Shaftsbury" says the RNLI is one of Britain's largest charities and has an excellent record in funding itself from public donations without having to take Government money to provide rescue services unlike most of the comparable services in other countries. The volunteer crews who risk their lives in rescues, deserve the best equipment the RNLI can provide and if this new facility aids in that provision I for one wholeheartedly support it. It is exactly the sort of forward thinking investment that makes me continue giving to the RNLI. It is also good news for Poole that the RNLI continue to build their presence in the town.

Shaftsbury wrote:

benjamin wrote:
This proposal is very important for Poole. It will fit in with Pools maritime past and provide a big contribution towards its future. Industry is badly needed, with a thousand new homes being built just across the water.

I agree that industry is needed, however this is a charity we are talking about that relies on the public for donations. I'm afraid its irrespective of whether it fits in with Poole's maritime past, this is the current times and we have to look the future too. Jo Public just will not be able to donate as much in the future as they have done historically in the past as people will not have spare money anymore. I believe the charity should not be spending this sort of donated money, moreso holding onto what they have so it lasts longer.

I'm afraid it looks to a lot of people that they just have too much money if they can afford to spend this much. Its certainly not what I gave my money to be spent on.

Those of you saying this is a waste of money - did you miss this part?:

"It is estimated that by bringing its all-weather lifeboat production and maintenance in house it would save the charity £3.7million a year once it was up and running."

So, you lot saying a charity can't spend money because everyone is skint... what are they supposed to do with it? Invest it in an Icelandic bank like the Cats Protection League and lose what was it, £12M? No, they want to invest in the local area, and their scheme will be a net profit in 3 years if their figures add up, plus some local jobs will be created. It doesn't stand to reason that every new job is a lost job elsewhere, although there may be a certain number of casualties as a result. But, you don't know if perhaps some of those may come to this new scheme.

Surely it's a better use of millions of quid in Poole than a bridge that hardly ever works?

I'm quite sure alot of the moaners are those that don't even donate to this very worthy cause, so why are you even commenting on how the money is spent.

Clearly if they can save such significant amounts of money per year then the period of time it takes to see a return on their investment won't be too long.

As always they are doing what is best for the charity and after all this charity saves alot of lives each and every year. So let them carry on and lets enjoy the jobs that it brings to the area.

The moaners won't be moaning if their son / daughter / grandson / grandaughter benefit from a job when they leave school. I know I won't be.

Good luck RNLI

Some of these council officials really need to get their priorities right. This will help a very important charity that provides a vital public service to be more efficient and provide new jobs. And they are worried about rare sponges. Really quite bizzare.

As to the comments about cost, this will save the charity almost £4 million a year. Sometimes you have to spend money to save money. The business case here for the development is obvious in that it will improve their long term viability.

I am sure Poole's planning dept will give permission for this and I am sure that the charity will spend the money - however that doesn't mean all their supporters agree with it (take note ABCD1 in that I am a supporter of the charity).

I still believe they should not be spending such a huge amount of money in this current climate, as the supporters of today may not be around to continue to support in the future.

If this is the sort of money they have to spend like this now, perhaps they need to re-**** where there future funds will come from.

I for one, will be having a re-think. Though dont get me wrong, the lifeboat crews are amazing people who do amazing jobs and I appreciate they need the best equipment to keep them safe, which they have.

This money is for the demolition and new build of buildings - big enough to build their largest vessels.

Again, as I said, not what I donate my funds for when there are buildings currently doing the job well enough. Perhaps when the economic climate improves, it wouldnt be such a noticeable spend but I just dont think now is the time - for a charity anyway.

The planners would have to be absolutely crazy to block this application, what with the work it will provide for the local area and the fantastic work that the RNLI do around the ENTIRE COAST OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND. Good Luck RNLI, and all who sail in you.

Shaftsbury wrote:
I am sure Poole's planning dept will give permission for this and I am sure that the charity will spend the money - however that doesn't mean all their supporters agree with it (take note ABCD1 in that I am a supporter of the charity).

I still believe they should not be spending such a huge amount of money in this current climate, as the supporters of today may not be around to continue to support in the future.

If this is the sort of money they have to spend like this now, perhaps they need to re-**** where there future funds will come from.

I for one, will be having a re-think. Though dont get me wrong, the lifeboat crews are amazing people who do amazing jobs and I appreciate they need the best equipment to keep them safe, which they have.

This money is for the demolition and new build of buildings - big enough to build their largest vessels.

Again, as I said, not what I donate my funds for when there are buildings currently doing the job well enough. Perhaps when the economic climate improves, it wouldnt be such a noticeable spend but I just dont think now is the time - for a charity anyway.

Honestly? So you think a better strategy is spending £3.7m every year in perpetuity whilst running facilities into the ground until they are no longer deemed fit for use is a better long term that strategy than an £11.2m layout that will build state of the art new facilities for their long term maintenance needs that will be paid off by the savings made within 3 years?

So instead you want to stop donating to them. Unbelievable. If the trustees started taking that view I'd withdraw funding on the grounds that they aren't running the Charity with it's long term interests in mind. Given they have reserves and set aside capital to fund these projects it's a mere drop in the ocean to them and probably already funded through previous years donations.

You come across as petty if you will withdraw donations because they have looked at the long term future of the Charity. Read the accounts, they are efficient and spend less than they receive through donations. if it was in reverse you may have some argument not to outlay but this appears to be a prudent and well thought out decision. Good luck to them in the planning decision

peterlucas wrote:
Some of these council officials really need to get their priorities right. This will help a very important charity that provides a vital public service to be more efficient and provide new jobs. And they are worried about rare sponges. Really quite bizzare.

As to the comments about cost, this will save the charity almost £4 million a year. Sometimes you have to spend money to save money. The business case here for the development is obvious in that it will improve their long term viability.

Hi Peter.