Dorset Police at 'tipping point' over savage cuts (From Thisisdorset)

Have you stopped all equality and diversity training yet? No? if you have money for things like that then you obviously don't need it that badly? Anyway last times I have ever used them I realised that there isn't much point anyway. They are too crooked and biased.

Good point Cecil, if they removed the PC compliance & pandering to minorities crap and bothered to put boots on patrol it would surely help. Too many back office staff, pen pushers than bobbies on the beat actually solving crime and showing actual presence in our neighbourhoods. Not much point in reporting crime since so little effort is put into solving them.

Well said, Cecil and c. The police should stick with their core business, ie catching and preventing crime - all this nonsensical social engineering and being 'partners' and 'other agencies' is /has distracted the police from doing their real duties - or perhaps it's their excuse for not doing their real job properly.
The Police Commissioner is also a waste of time and adds more money to the police budget - if they are abolishing the old police authority, can they please set out in words of one syllable where the savings are being made. It seems to me it's just one bureaucratic layer being replaced by another - localism and you, the punter pays more.

cecilbdoomil wrote:
Have you stopped all equality and diversity training yet? No? if you have money for things like that then you obviously don't need it that badly? Anyway last times I have ever used them I realised that there isn't much point anyway. They are too crooked and biased.

Would you please support your statement with evidence please of crooked and biased by the Police.

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hahahahaha, so funny!

cecilbdoomil wrote:
Have you stopped all equality and diversity training yet? No? if you have money for things like that then you obviously don't need it that badly? Anyway last times I have ever used them I realised that there isn't much point anyway. They are too crooked and biased.

I'd have thought if anybody could benefit from training that discusses the potential pitfalls of a lack of respecting differences, particularly in diverse cultures, it would be the police service. Not that cutting this training alone is going to result in savings of 10 million pounds in one constabulary.

cj07589 wrote:
Good point Cecil, if they removed the PC compliance & pandering to minorities crap and bothered to put boots on patrol it would surely help. Too many back office staff, pen pushers than bobbies on the beat actually solving crime and showing actual presence in our neighbourhoods. Not much point in reporting crime since so little effort is put into solving them.

It is the pen-pushers that are in place to try to minimise the time required back at the station by the bobby on the beat. If you are calling for less paperwork, then I'd suggest that it is never likely to happen. Applying the law will always require a huge amount of evidence to confirm legislation has been adhered to; Legislation partly implemented to minimise the bias that a previous commentor refers to.

"handing officers tablets so they can work out and about in the community. " LOL thats a good one, is that so they can be sold on EBay like the camaras and phones?

Completely disagree, my point exactly that there is far too much red-tape PC box ticking required for the stretched and finite resources available. If you live or work in a rural location youve go next to no chance youll get a quick response or follow up on a anti-social complaint let alone statisfactory enforcement. I gave up years ago when the realisation was reporting crime was more hassle than its worth. Sadly due to weak governance and even worse law making criminals in reality, have more rights than most not withstanding the madning abuse of the european human rights legisation which is another matter all together.

RunRabbit wrote:

cj07589 wrote:
Good point Cecil, if they removed the PC compliance & pandering to minorities crap and bothered to put boots on patrol it would surely help. Too many back office staff, pen pushers than bobbies on the beat actually solving crime and showing actual presence in our neighbourhoods. Not much point in reporting crime since so little effort is put into solving them.

It is the pen-pushers that are in place to try to minimise the time required back at the station by the bobby on the beat. If you are calling for less paperwork, then I'd suggest that it is never likely to happen. Applying the law will always require a huge amount of evidence to confirm legislation has been adhered to; Legislation partly implemented to minimise the bias that a previous commentor refers to.

Completely disagree, my point exactly that there is far too much red-tape PC box ticking required for the stretched and finite resources available. If you live or work in a rural location youve go next to no chance youll get a quick response or follow up on a anti-social complaint let alone statisfactory enforcement. I gave up years ago when the realisation was that reporting crime in my neighbourhood was more hassle than it was worth. Sadly resultant of successive terms of poor liberal governance and law adjudication. Criminals today in reality have more rights than most not withstanding the crass abuse of the current european human rights legislation which is another matter all together. My hope is more police on the street becomes a focus rathe than form filling.

cj07589 wrote:

RunRabbit wrote:

cj07589 wrote: Good point Cecil, if they removed the PC compliance & pandering to minorities crap and bothered to put boots on patrol it would surely help. Too many back office staff, pen pushers than bobbies on the beat actually solving crime and showing actual presence in our neighbourhoods. Not much point in reporting crime since so little effort is put into solving them.

It is the pen-pushers that are in place to try to minimise the time required back at the station by the bobby on the beat. If you are calling for less paperwork, then I'd suggest that it is never likely to happen. Applying the law will always require a huge amount of evidence to confirm legislation has been adhered to; Legislation partly implemented to minimise the bias that a previous commentor refers to.

Completely disagree, my point exactly that there is far too much red-tape PC box ticking required for the stretched and finite resources available. If you live or work in a rural location youve go next to no chance youll get a quick response or follow up on a anti-social complaint let alone statisfactory enforcement. I gave up years ago when the realisation was that reporting crime in my neighbourhood was more hassle than it was worth. Sadly resultant of successive terms of poor liberal governance and law adjudication. Criminals today in reality have more rights than most not withstanding the crass abuse of the current european human rights legislation which is another matter all together. My hope is more police on the street becomes a focus rathe than form filling.

I see. I certainly agree I'd like to see more police on the street, however it can be realistically achieved.

Back office functions such as analysis help frontline staff prioritise efforts effectively and efficiently. That said, Dorset has seen crime reduce over the last 6 years which might suggest that we don't need as much frontline resource as we did 6 years ago. But it'll be a brave pcc to make that wash with his electorate, regardless if whether its the right thing to do

Maybe there's a chance here for the police to improve their image and stop leaning on motorists (and truck drivers) for an easy cop

Leftrealist wrote:
Back office functions such as analysis help frontline staff prioritise efforts effectively and efficiently. That said, Dorset has seen crime reduce over the last 6 years which might suggest that we don't need as much frontline resource as we did 6 years ago. But it'll be a brave pcc to make that wash with his electorate, regardless if whether its the right thing to do

This stat is based on reported crime only, it takes no account of people like me who have given up because they've been let down so frequently. Therefore read into it what you like but I am always suspicious of sweeping statistical statements because they are usually based on fiddled numbers to represent a completely different picture to the reality.

wurzelbasher wrote:
Maybe there's a chance here for the police to improve their image and stop leaning on motorists (and truck drivers) for an easy cop

I won't hold my breathe as it is an easy win, easy fines and helps fudge the successful conviction ratio to sustain the statistical claims made.
Still doesn't stop the speed scamera van on the a37 from camouflaging itself into the hedgerow, silly old thought the high visibility markings were about proactive management making the roads safer.

caz maz wrote:
"handing officers tablets so they can work out and about in the community. " LOL thats a good one, is that so they can be sold on EBay like the camaras and phones?

Prozac ?...

Get police on the streets. No one cares who is in charge , as long as when the public call 999, the police attend and deal with the problem. It's not difficult or complicated. Get rid of all the pointless departments which are overstaffed and put them in a uniform on the street.

cj07589 wrote:

Leftrealist wrote: Back office functions such as analysis help frontline staff prioritise efforts effectively and efficiently. That said, Dorset has seen crime reduce over the last 6 years which might suggest that we don't need as much frontline resource as we did 6 years ago. But it'll be a brave pcc to make that wash with his electorate, regardless if whether its the right thing to do

This stat is based on reported crime only, it takes no account of people like me who have given up because they've been let down so frequently. Therefore read into it what you like but I am always suspicious of sweeping statistical statements because they are usually based on fiddled numbers to represent a completely different picture to the reality.

It would be interesting to see the statistic for crime against property - this is probably the most reliable since if you want to make a house insurance claim you need a crime number. There is undoubtedly a lot of police work that is best done in an office rather than on the street.
I've never found the police to be biased or corrupt (apart from the traffic section who have their own special version of the Highway Code!) and their reluctance to attend crime is I suspect more to do with red tape.

RunRabbit wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote: Have you stopped all equality and diversity training yet? No? if you have money for things like that then you obviously don't need it that badly? Anyway last times I have ever used them I realised that there isn't much point anyway. They are too crooked and biased.

I'd have thought if anybody could benefit from training that discusses the potential pitfalls of a lack of respecting differences, particularly in diverse cultures, it would be the police service. Not that cutting this training alone is going to result in savings of 10 million pounds in one constabulary.

It's an interesting point you make but I do think Cecil is right. We are one people living in one country under one law. Is it not about time that people moving here respected this and not the other way around? Is it not their duty to learn and consider whether they can live with this before moving here? Before I get hit with the "R" word, consider the economic implications which affect everything from school design to hospital translation services. Instead, we **** foot around the issue and as a consequence certain groups (some sections of Islam, the traveller community) condemn their children to unfulfilled lives and their women to healthcare deprivation. These decisions have a social and economic cost to us all, including to those from the groups affected.

JamesYoung wrote:

RunRabbit wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote: Have you stopped all equality and diversity training yet? No? if you have money for things like that then you obviously don't need it that badly? Anyway last times I have ever used them I realised that there isn't much point anyway. They are too crooked and biased.

I'd have thought if anybody could benefit from training that discusses the potential pitfalls of a lack of respecting differences, particularly in diverse cultures, it would be the police service. Not that cutting this training alone is going to result in savings of 10 million pounds in one constabulary.

It's an interesting point you make but I do think Cecil is right. We are one people living in one country under one law. Is it not about time that people moving here respected this and not the other way around? Is it not their duty to learn and consider whether they can live with this before moving here? Before I get hit with the "R" word, consider the economic implications which affect everything from school design to hospital translation services. Instead, we **** foot around the issue and as a consequence certain groups (some sections of Islam, the traveller community) condemn their children to unfulfilled lives and their women to healthcare deprivation. These decisions have a social and economic cost to us all, including to those from the groups affected.

"P ussyfoot"

Just wondered about the "new police" station on the Dorchester Road (now shut) which was built next door to the old one which is now demolished. Seems to me that they wasted a lot of money in the past building stuff they didn't need. Thinking back to old days I remember policeman driving Morris Minors now their driving the latest top model BMW- just to attend a routine enquiry.

nystrom86 wrote:
Just wondered about the "new police" station on the Dorchester Road (now shut) which was built next door to the old one which is now demolished. Seems to me that they wasted a lot of money in the past building stuff they didn't need. Thinking back to old days I remember policeman driving Morris Minors now their driving the latest top model BMW- just to attend a routine enquiry.

To be fair, it's only the traffic and what I call the SWAT (the ones that dress in combat boots and dark clothes) that use the fast cars. I think the Ford Focus is probably the equivalent of the Morris Minor.