Public asked for views on controversial Weymouth and Portland budget proposals (From Thisisdorset)

Why do Councils bother with public consultations, virtually every single time they have one, they ignore what the majority of public want?

There is plenty I am sure we could cut out to save money but the Socialists and agenda brigade will start crying.

"the Forum for Equality and Diversity"

There's one for a start.

With the disposal of all of these property assets, the Council should immediately reduce the size of the in-house property team and outsource all remaining work. They'd save thousands.

Remember the Howard Holdings affair?
Lots of consultations, a protest march and universal condemnation of the highrise development? Well councillors took no notice of the public and so it is with the Pavilion. Their minds are already made up and consultation is a sham.

It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views!

Rabbitman64 wrote:
It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views!

...told you they would start crying.

You are right, the right wing keyboard warriors and the mentally challenged Cecil!

cecilbdoomil wrote:

Rabbitman64 wrote: It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views!

...told you they would start crying.

Oh I disagree entirely Cecil. We must remember the vast contribution made by the left wing to our current economic prosperity. After all, they were prudent enough to only spend £2.07 on expanding the public sector between 1997 and 2007. Of course for every £2.07 they spent, the economy had only expanded by £1, and only a percentage of this £1 was tax, but this is a tribute to the creativity of the left wing. To hear some right wing morons talk, you'd think we were in an economic crisis, with a housing bubble and a central bank printing money to bail the banks and the government out. Lets pray we get a labour government back in soon so we can get rid of all these austerity measures and get some more credit cards.

JamesYoung wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

Rabbitman64 wrote: It appears so far to be the Right-Wing brigade commenting on this issue, spouting out their simplistic & irrelevant views!

...told you they would start crying.

Oh I disagree entirely Cecil. We must remember the vast contribution made by the left wing to our current economic prosperity. After all, they were prudent enough to only spend £2.07 on expanding the public sector between 1997 and 2007. Of course for every £2.07 they spent, the economy had only expanded by £1, and only a percentage of this £1 was tax, but this is a tribute to the creativity of the left wing. To hear some right wing morons talk, you'd think we were in an economic crisis, with a housing bubble and a central bank printing money to bail the banks and the government out. Lets pray we get a labour government back in soon so we can get rid of all these austerity measures and get some more credit cards.

You'll get called nasty words and names in a minute James.

You know common sense is evil and suddenly becomes "right wing" when it does not please the "special people". Somewhere a little woo-woo will be "offended".

Even if they aren't, they will be anyway.

westendcat wrote:
With the disposal of all of these property assets, the Council should immediately reduce the size of the in-house property team and outsource all remaining work. They'd save thousands.

I agree and they should also stop employing self employed consultants and agency staff.

Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions

Leftrealist wrote:
Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions

One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)

cecilbdoomil wrote:

Leftrealist wrote:
Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions

One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)

I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback

Leftrealist wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

Leftrealist wrote:
Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions

One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)

I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback

We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.

woodsedge wrote:

Leftrealist wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

Leftrealist wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions

One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)

I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback

We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.

Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.

JamesYoung wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

Leftrealist wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

Leftrealist wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions

One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)

I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback

We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.

Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.

A politician is a politician Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP full stop. I have a sneaky feeling that the current unelected "consistency of government" isn't going to last the course. Labour was clearly at fault for the current mess as are the UK population as a whole who were more than happy living well above their means in the financial bubble. However, the building blocks for the current mess and a country that doesn't understand social responsibility and doesn’t make anything or have any industry, rests with the Tory years of that vile PM Thatcher

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

Leftrealist wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

Leftrealist wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions

One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)

I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback

We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.

Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.

A politician is a politician Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP full stop. I have a sneaky feeling that the current unelected "consistency of government" isn't going to last the course. Labour was clearly at fault for the current mess as are the UK population as a whole who were more than happy living well above their means in the financial bubble. However, the building blocks for the current mess and a country that doesn't understand social responsibility and doesn’t make anything or have any industry, rests with the Tory years of that vile PM Thatcher

But again, Thatcher inherited a problem created by Labour (remember the winter of discontent). It's unfortunate that our only two choices are a party that is addicted to spending and another that is addicted to cutting. Maybe we could find one that focuses on efficiency. But then again, a 4-5 year term is always going to be a limiting factor - nobody wants to try anything new because the next election will arrive before the benefits do.

For once I actually agree with most of what Woodsedge said, then like all to the centre/left they pull the old blame Thatcher for everything out of their butt. I remember good old grey marxist Britain under labour, with it's British leyland cars, 3 day weeks and lazy socialists everywhere turning us in to some communist dump.

I also remember the thatcher years, when i used to have money in my pocket and fun !!

I know which I would prefer.

JamesYoung wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

Leftrealist wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

Leftrealist wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions

One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)

I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback

We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.

Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.

We have consistency in government James.

Corruption, arrogance and treachery

They have all been very consistent at that..

woodsedge wrote:

JamesYoung wrote:

woodsedge wrote:

Leftrealist wrote:

cecilbdoomil wrote:

Leftrealist wrote: Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions

One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)

I don't agree with your politics, but credit due to a good comeback

We have replaced a one eyed idiot with a two eyed idiot with no backbone! I also note that the usual suspects are using their politically selected brains again when proportioning blame for a messed up county.

Not at all, but anybody who thinks Labour are going to do any better than the Tories is sadly deluded. Labour presided over the asset bubble and did nothing. What we need is some consistency of government while we work through the mess.

A politician is a politician Labour, Tories, Lib Dem, UKIP full stop. I have a sneaky feeling that the current unelected "consistency of government" isn't going to last the course. Labour was clearly at fault for the current mess as are the UK population as a whole who were more than happy living well above their means in the financial bubble. However, the building blocks for the current mess and a country that doesn't understand social responsibility and doesn’t make anything or have any industry, rests with the Tory years of that vile PM Thatcher

This desire to keep blaming a politician who has been out of power for 20 years is a bit "my grandfathers axe". It's had three new heads and two new handles, but it's still his axe.
As for "unelected", this is a bit of a strange argument since its very rare for more than about 40% of voters to vote for a party - and that ignores those that don't vote. However, if you remove Scotland you'll find that England voted Conservative. This is important since thanks to devolution Scottish MPs are able to vote down measures affecting English voters while voting for those same measures in Scotland. That's why Scottish students get free university tuition and why English old people have to sell their homes to pay for care.

cecilbdoomil wrote:
Why do Councils bother with public consultations, virtually every single time they have one, they ignore what the majority of public want? There is plenty I am sure we could cut out to save money but the Socialists and agenda brigade will start crying.

Lip Service...

It is my belief that all the problems this town is now encountering revolve around the gross inefficiency of The Property Services Department.The past 6 years have seen total miss management of property related matters. Property and land are the councils most precious assetts but they have been badly handled by the department responsible.It is worthless making any observations whilst the property services department is allowed to ruin what assetts the council holds.Many people have already asked why a certain individual got basically demoted for his complete **** up of most property related matters and now finds himself in a management position.The next farce will involve the old TIC building which has been advertised several imnes for expressions of interest and again for those interested and is now inviting tenders depsite the fact the tender documents are not yet ready. Anyone who wants to lease the building should be in possession by now ready for the forthcoming season. An independant body should be set up to ascertain exactly how much this inept deprtmant has cost the town.It has been responsible for bringing the town to the verge of bankruptcy

cecilbdoomil wrote:

Leftrealist wrote:
Putting aside Cecil's clearly one-eyed view of the world, he does have a point: consultations organised by this borough council have thus far failed to influence (change) policy decisions

One eyed view of the World? No that's what the idiot who put us in much of this mess had ;-)

No different to the RIGHT WING BULLINGDON BULLY DICTATORSHIP in charge now! "Pasty Tax" whatever next, that one would have made hardly enough for the MPs to fiddle for themselves flipping residences and renting from each other
ALL politicians of ALL parties at ALL levels are taking the PLEBs for a ride, the laugh is, they think we havn;t realised!

well, what do you expect from a Party that both Fears and despises the Plebs with equal measure and has NO REAL policies now they have the POWER, a bit like the NAZIS in germany WW2, invade countries, impose over them but once they had 'em, all they could do was run by FEAR and PROPAGANDA, no OTHER clue what to do when they had 'em, just like this lot, "its labour's fault, ONLY 2&1/2yrs on, when will they get on and TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for THEIR half baked policies that DEMONIZED the very people whose representatives won so many medals in the PARALYMPICS? Indeed disabled and vulnerable were "rewarded" by the finish of the REMPLOY factories by this lot! Benefit claimants also demonized, when it turns out the amount is a drop in the Ocean in the scheme of things, funny we havn't had a cut in MPs money and the reduction in the fiddles they perpetrate on us annually??????