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Fears for Bournemouth uni group using M-CAT


A GROUP of 40 students is believed to have used ‘legal high’ mephedrone in Bournemouth just days before it was linked to the deaths of two teenagers.

And Bournemouth University students are reportedly not only using the potentially dangerous drug, but even ordering it to be delivered to halls of residence.

Mephedrone, which was associated with the deaths of 18 and 19-year-old friends from Scunthorpe on Monday, is becoming “common” in the town, according to Chris Snelling, co-ordinator of the Bournemouth Drug and Alcohol Action Team.

He became aware of the substance, also known as M-CAT, MC and miaow miaow, last year.

“In the past five or six weeks there are reports of more of it being used – it’s quite common,” he added.

“In fact the last comment was the beginning of this week. A group of 40 students were seen using it by an outreach worker.”

He said the worker had come across a group in Bournemouth at the end of last week “who stated they were using it or had used” mephedrone.

Mr Snelling said the drug was “easily available and cheaper than alcohol,” had a stimulant effect, similar to that of amphetamines or cocaine – and could be just as addictive.

He called it “a dangerous substance,” and supported calls to have it banned.


Legal highs factfile

Legal highs are usually man-made chemical substances designed to act like illegal drugs.

Synthesised in laboratories, often based in China, they fall outside most drug control laws.

The have been sold openly for a number of years – but are coming under increasingly scrutiny after being linked to a number of deaths.

In December the government moved to ban a number of such substances, including GBL, which was linked to the death of medical student Hester Stewart in Brighton last April.

Synthetic cannabis “spice”, a herbal mixture laced with psycho-active chemicals, was also banned and slapped with a Class B rating.

But the law is frequently playing catch-up to those who manufacture these drugs, who quickly tweak the formulas enough to side-step the bans, or create new substances.


Mephedrone is already banned in Sweden, Demark and Israel. It is currently being looked into by the Uk’s Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs.

Mephedrone is also the cover story in the latest copy of Bournemouth University student magazine Wire, which reports students are having the drug delivered to Lansdowne halls of residence.

Journalism student Ash Tulett, 19, who wrote the article in Wire magazine, said methedrone was becoming “the new cannabis”, seen as a harmless drug that was being used by large groups of friends.

“It’s considered one of the cool things to do,” he added. “And there is unbelievable pressure in the student community – especially among lads.”

He said he had seen the dark side of the drug. People he knew who used it had become reckless and impervious to pain, falling and gashing limbs without realising. One bought methedrone cut with speed, which had sent him into convulsions.

President of the Student Union James Ricci said while he wasn’t aware of that, the use of mephedrone was not uncommon in the student population.

He said: “I don’t know how rife it is, but I know on a couple of nights out I’ve seen people who freely admit to doing it, and it isn’t those people who’d you’d associate with the whole drugs culture.”

He said the ‘legal’ tag led people to think “that makes it OK then.”

Mephedrone is readily available online, where it is commonly sold under the guise of “plant feed.”

An Internet search showed it could be bought with “next day delivery” for £12 a gram from a supplier in Bournemouth calling themselves Mr Meph.

Usually a white or yellowish powder it is snorted by users, but can also be obtained in pills and capsules. Side-effects include headaches, palpitations, nausea, high blood pressure, nose bleeds and purple joints.

It was linked with the death of a 14-year-old in Brighton last November. In the wake of the latest deaths pressure is mounting for urgent action.

Yesterday head teachers, MPs and drugs campaigners called for it and other so called ‘legal highs’ to be banned.

Comments(41)

Dibbles2 says...
9:27am Thu 18 Mar 10

Fab article!!!! Lets just tell them all where to get it from locally!!! This is irresponsible journalism!

idontknowifitistrue says...
9:59am Thu 18 Mar 10

Perhaps this is a case of natural selection, the idiots who take this drug may not survive, so could this be a good thing?

Marcus James says...
10:17am Thu 18 Mar 10

Dibbles2 wrote:
Fab article!!!! Lets just tell them all where to get it from locally!!! This is irresponsible journalism!
You must be the most insular person in Bournemouth.

Do you honestly think that the people that want this drug won't have access to a computer and Google.

Wakey wakey Dibbles2, we live in an age where anything can be bought or found on the internet.

The Echo has not given and address and telephone number they are merely stating it’s available but we knew that anyway.

IMO until the post-mortem is completed the irresponsible part of this article is saying it's linked to the drug.

The last couple victims named around Christmas and just after actually died of underlying medical conditions not related to the drug.

GB916 says...
10:30am Thu 18 Mar 10

Ok so some people have died using this substance,it is freely available and legal,my point being is if you ban it,then the selling of it will go underground,this will then force the price up,and maybe force some people into crime to pay for this substance,at the moment,it is not reported that the people using this are turning to crime,so if they wish to use it and it kills them,then that is their choice,while i dont take drugs myself and never have,i just wonder if they legalised the illegal drugs,and taxed them,im sure they could sell them cheaper than the dealers,this would then hopefully cut the crime and kill off the users quicker,and put the street dealers out of business,and then the users would buy more,i know this would not be popular,and it is only an idea that has been thrown around before,im not saying this would work,but it better than the crime we have associated with illegal dealing of drugs

ballstoit says...
10:32am Thu 18 Mar 10

Associated with 2 deaths.
So, how many deaths has alcohol been associated with?
Are we calling to ban that? Nope.

UndeadMessiah says...
10:35am Thu 18 Mar 10

Be interested to know how the Echo arrived at this 40 students figure. Where'd you get the numbers from? And what's the point of this article, 40 people took drugs and didn't die? You should go to a Wetherspoons and write a story about how there are loads of alcoholics still alive.

Dibbles2 says...
10:39am Thu 18 Mar 10

Not at all. I happen to work in the health industry picking up the pieces!

When stating statistics including the underlying medical conditions as you clearly are cause of death will never be put down to the use of a drug. However it can be stated as a secondary cause. Correct the drugs dont kill as such it will always be something other for example heart failure as the primary cause of death.However you dont have to have an underlying medical condition for it to kill you.

You are misinformed and undereducated!

Maureen Arthur says...
11:34am Thu 18 Mar 10

Marcus James wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote: Fab article!!!! Lets just tell them all where to get it from locally!!! This is irresponsible journalism!
You must be the most insular person in Bournemouth. Do you honestly think that the people that want this drug won't have access to a computer and Google. Wakey wakey Dibbles2, we live in an age where anything can be bought or found on the internet. The Echo has not given and address and telephone number they are merely stating it’s available but we knew that anyway. IMO until the post-mortem is completed the irresponsible part of this article is saying it's linked to the drug. The last couple victims named around Christmas and just after actually died of underlying medical conditions not related to the drug.
I think he has a point actually, not just the echo but national media has harped on about this for weeks, which will just sensationalise this further. It's been around for months and months, old news....

what about all the people overdosing on paracetamol, alcohol etc etc each and every day - not a mention (fine by me) same with this rubbish.

Laurie H Marsh says...
11:41am Thu 18 Mar 10

I remember when Lsd was THE way to go!
Freedom!
THE answer!
Some of the people that I knew way back then are still in mental institutions.
The lucky ones are dead!
Roll on the next BIG THING!
Wake up people!

Dibbles2 says...
11:43am Thu 18 Mar 10

Maureen Arthur wrote:
Marcus James wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote: Fab article!!!! Lets just tell them all where to get it from locally!!! This is irresponsible journalism!
You must be the most insular person in Bournemouth. Do you honestly think that the people that want this drug won't have access to a computer and Google. Wakey wakey Dibbles2, we live in an age where anything can be bought or found on the internet. The Echo has not given and address and telephone number they are merely stating it’s available but we knew that anyway. IMO until the post-mortem is completed the irresponsible part of this article is saying it's linked to the drug. The last couple victims named around Christmas and just after actually died of underlying medical conditions not related to the drug.
I think he has a point actually, not just the echo but national media has harped on about this for weeks, which will just sensationalise this further. It's been around for months and months, old news.... what about all the people overdosing on paracetamol, alcohol etc etc each and every day - not a mention (fine by me) same with this rubbish.
Agreed and I can see his point but at the end of the day is it acceptable to drink Methylated Spirits? Surely if someone was doing that they would be deemed as mad? Whats the difference. Mephredrone was never meant to be for human consumption.People are dicing with death and the unknown. This time next year it will be something else in the headlines. Because its legal doesnt make it right and it doesnt make it safe.

ben111 says...
11:44am Thu 18 Mar 10

Laurie H Marsh wrote:
I remember when Lsd was THE way to go! Freedom! THE answer! Some of the people that I knew way back then are still in mental institutions. The lucky ones are dead! Roll on the next BIG THING! Wake up people!
Tottaly agree ask any one that works in mental health and a good number of the people in mental institutes are their through prellonged use of canabis

Dibbles2 says...
11:53am Thu 18 Mar 10

ben111 wrote:
Laurie H Marsh wrote: I remember when Lsd was THE way to go! Freedom! THE answer! Some of the people that I knew way back then are still in mental institutions. The lucky ones are dead! Roll on the next BIG THING! Wake up people!
Tottaly agree ask any one that works in mental health and a good number of the people in mental institutes are their through prellonged use of canabis
Hear hear!

nonnogeppetto says...
12:20pm Thu 18 Mar 10

What concerns me is that life must be so boring that some young people have to stoke up their existence by taking drugs etc. I am sure that there are many young people out there whose lives are not boring and are doing good things with their recreational time. Why do we always get hot under the collar for the few, who no matter what society offers them, they seek to ruin their life? Maybe the media would remind us all of the plight of millions around the world who do not have enough to buy basic foods let alone money to buy so called recreational drugs. This may seem heartless to some but I am afraid society reaps what it sows.

Laurie H Marsh says...
12:29pm Thu 18 Mar 10

nonnogeppetto wrote:
What concerns me is that life must be so boring that some young people have to stoke up their existence by taking drugs etc. I am sure that there are many young people out there whose lives are not boring and are doing good things with their recreational time. Why do we always get hot under the collar for the few, who no matter what society offers them, they seek to ruin their life? Maybe the media would remind us all of the plight of millions around the world who do not have enough to buy basic foods let alone money to buy so called recreational drugs. This may seem heartless to some but I am afraid society reaps what it sows.
You are not called "The Puppet Master" for nothing!
Seriously, well said!

jinglebell says...
12:33pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Dibbles2 wrote:
Not at all. I happen to work in the health industry picking up the pieces! When stating statistics including the underlying medical conditions as you clearly are cause of death will never be put down to the use of a drug. However it can be stated as a secondary cause. Correct the drugs dont kill as such it will always be something other for example heart failure as the primary cause of death.However you dont have to have an underlying medical condition for it to kill you. You are misinformed and undereducated!
"Gut rot" is what this is being named by many people who have used it. Apparently, they have suffered involuntary bowel movements and severe weight loss - just what you want on a night out!
I can't imagine why anyone wants to put anything into their system that has no known long term effects. As for "picking up the pieces" - you are so right - so what will the long term health effects be and the costs emotionally and financially? If in doubt, leave it out.

Tictock says...
1:14pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Quite simply, make law read that if you take a medication that is is reasonable for you to know it will harm you AND FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, then you forfeit the right to state medical care. Simple, let them die.

ben111 says...
1:34pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Tictock wrote:
Quite simply, make law read that if you take a medication that is is reasonable for you to know it will harm you AND FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, then you forfeit the right to state medical care. Simple, let them die.
we have had this one before , I agree , But do we include people that smoke , over eat , and people that do dangerouse sports .

mikey2gorgeous says...
1:40pm Thu 18 Mar 10

ben111 wrote:
Laurie H Marsh wrote:
I remember when Lsd was THE way to go! Freedom! THE answer! Some of the people that I knew way back then are still in mental institutions. The lucky ones are dead! Roll on the next BIG THING! Wake up people!
Tottaly agree ask any one that works in mental health and a good number of the people in mental institutes are their through prellonged use of canabis
Just because large numbers of people with mental health problems self-medicate with cannabis is no 'proof' that it causes mental illness. There are probably more that have self-medicated with alcohol - but then that's YOUR drug of choice.
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We tend to vastly underestimate the number of people who suffer from mental health issues and seem to have a need to 'blame' things for causing them even though research has shown no causal link.
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While I don't doubt that mephedrone is a potentially dangerous drug that may have nasty long-term consequences, the media are doing no-one any favours by sensationalising these deaths. The kids who died also took methadone (heroin substitute) and alcohol. Those two alone can kill especially if taken while 'out of it' and unable to properly consider dosage & effects.

mikey2gorgeous says...
1:46pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Tictock wrote:
Quite simply, make law read that if you take a medication that is is reasonable for you to know it will harm you AND FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, then you forfeit the right to state medical care. Simple, let them die.
Do you include in that the drug that kills more people every year than all the others put together? I'll give you a clue - it comes in bottles!

wakebmth says...
1:46pm Thu 18 Mar 10

ben111 wrote:
Tictock wrote: Quite simply, make law read that if you take a medication that is is reasonable for you to know it will harm you AND FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSES, then you forfeit the right to state medical care. Simple, let them die.
we have had this one before , I agree , But do we include people that smoke , over eat , and people that do dangerouse sports .
So Tictock your opinion is that anyone that puts themselves in risk shouldn't be helped? When you are involved in a car crash I'm sure you will see the stupidity of your argument.

I think that drugs are a major issue with a lot of young people today but having the mindset of "You did it get on with it and die" really won't help them and if anything will just make them more likely to continue down a path which has no benefit to the rest of society. Through education, and helping these people they can actually avoid it or recover and contribute to our society.

I guess in your world tictock the hospitals would only be for mothers to be and the elderly, everyone else should just get on with it eh?

Slem_1990 says...
2:22pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Why are you crying about Mephedrone?

So 3 people have died from its use. How many people have died in the last month from Alcohol and Tobacco abuse.

This hypocracy kills me and so many others who realise how farcical it is.

Mephedrone may have some bad side effects but lets just have a quick look at Cigarettes and Alcohol:
- liver damage
- heart disease
- cancer
- emphysema
- yellow teeth
- hairy tongue

The list goes on and on and on. how can such a blatant anti-drug article be run (and supported by its readership) when 99% of you are just going to go down to the pub and take the two most dangerous drugs in the history of humankind.

Slem_1990 says...
2:29pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Dibbles2 wrote:
ben111 wrote:
Laurie H Marsh wrote: I remember when Lsd was THE way to go! Freedom! THE answer! Some of the people that I knew way back then are still in mental institutions. The lucky ones are dead! Roll on the next BIG THING! Wake up people!
Tottaly agree ask any one that works in mental health and a good number of the people in mental institutes are their through prellonged use of canabis
Hear hear!
Yes cannabis is very dangerous, not.

Just as with anything excessive use is bad. Look at alcohol. But how can you preach an anti-drug (and particularly anti-cannabis) gospel when I'm sure you drink/smoke.

This attitude is endemic of British society.

Cannabis isn't dangerous (no recorded fatalities from its use), whereas people regularly overdose on alcohol.

I've never seen an aggressive stoner either. Have you? That said I've seen plenty of people smashing people's faces in with Beer bottles after one too many pints.

ekimnoslen says...
3:39pm Thu 18 Mar 10

As informed human beings we are all responsible for our actions. These are university students and therefore presumably in the top few percent of our youth. If they wish to dice with death that is up to them, not others.

Tictock says...
4:17pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Ohooo upset the 'if it feels good do it' brigade then. Get some responsiblity in your lives.

mikey2gorgeous says...
4:37pm Thu 18 Mar 10

@titcock - responsibility for who exactly? I can't work out what you're asking people to do.

EGHH says...
6:41pm Thu 18 Mar 10

Side effects include purple joints. In the 70s joints were wrapped in rizlas! Happy Daze...

Tictock says...
10:35pm Thu 18 Mar 10

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
@titcock - responsibility for who exactly? I can't work out what you're asking people to do.
I'm asking that people think what they do before they do it. Drink too much = problems, I see enought of that living on the River Mosel and the largest wine growing area in Germany! So why would educated persons attending higher education want to take a substance that they do not know the full outcome of? Is their life so dull, shallow and insecure that they have to use drugs for 'recreational purpose'?

mikey2gorgeous says...
8:53am Fri 19 Mar 10

You seem to automatically associate drug use with alcohol ABuse. I presume, from the way you say it, that you (like most of us) USE alcohol to enhance your life. We accept this as a society because it is our choice. Our choice and responsibility to manage that use with respect for our health, jobs, family etc.
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The two main failings with all government 'education' about drugs are:
1. Lumping all non-alcohol drugs together.
2. Completely failing to acknowledge that people can and want to enjoy using some of them to enhance their lives in a responsible way.
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The recent example we have from Professor Nutt is that ecstasy use is safer than horse riding. 100,000s of people around the world take it EVERY weekend. They are not dropping dead in their droves. The reason they take it is because it gives them an amazing experience and a lot of fun.
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I absolutely accept that this new drug is potentially very dangerous as we know little about it's effects (short & long term). Also the fact that developing children are taking it is something that needs to be addressed.
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But to dismiss what these people are doing because you think they must have shallow, dull lives is completely missing the point. Also, we have to remember that teenagers have a desire to take risks that is part of their make-up. Whether they do this through sports or other means - we will not stop it by simply telling them to. All that will achieve is to make them stop listening to us.
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The 'war on drugs' in it's present incarnation has cost billions, failed completely to prevent drug use, criminalised huge numbers of our society and put billions more in the hands of organised criminals. The independent charity DrugScope thinks the harm done by criminalising cannabis use does more harm to society than the use itself does.
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The downgrading of cannabis a few years back was followed by a DROP in use. Politicians are more concerned with conservative-thinkin
g voters than how many people are actually taking the drug. This is all fuelled by blanket statements that 'drugs are bad'.

scoobles says...
10:46am Fri 19 Mar 10

Totally agree mikey2gorgeous.

People saying 'they took it .. let them die' is just so ridiculous! Would someone dieing in a car accident make you stop driving? Would someone being stabbed in a drunkun brawl stop you drinking?

It's completely nothing to do with someone's life being dull shallow or insecure .... that is maybe the result of someone never having any puckish adventures.

Most of us have done all sorts of potentially dangerous things when we we younger, not because we were necessarily stupid but because that's what teenagers do. It's called growing up! It makes us learn and gives us different experiences to shape us and make us the people that we are. How many funny or interesting stories and memories have we got from our past that involves being drunk, high or just doing something a bit naughty?

How is anyone going to give their children any balanced advice without having any experiences of their own?
Trying drink and drugs is all part of growing up because younguns are curious and, dare it say it, it is often a hell of a lot of fun!

Laurie H Marsh says...
11:05am Fri 19 Mar 10

Slem_1990 wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote:
ben111 wrote:
Laurie H Marsh wrote: I remember when Lsd was THE way to go! Freedom! THE answer! Some of the people that I knew way back then are still in mental institutions. The lucky ones are dead! Roll on the next BIG THING! Wake up people!
Tottaly agree ask any one that works in mental health and a good number of the people in mental institutes are their through prellonged use of canabis
Hear hear!
Yes cannabis is very dangerous, not. Just as with anything excessive use is bad. Look at alcohol. But how can you preach an anti-drug (and particularly anti-cannabis) gospel when I'm sure you drink/smoke. This attitude is endemic of British society. Cannabis isn't dangerous (no recorded fatalities from its use), whereas people regularly overdose on alcohol. I've never seen an aggressive stoner either. Have you? That said I've seen plenty of people smashing people's faces in with Beer bottles after one too many pints.
You are obviously a person who does (or has) use(d) cannabis so I will ask you. How do you take it?
Rolled up in tobbacco?
If the answer is yes, please dont preach about the evils of tobacco since you are a user yourself!
The biggest problem that people have with "the weed" is trying to get rid of the niccotine habit!
Ever seen some-one "high" on heroin?
The word "high" is completely wrong they look more like a happy lump of wood!
That is until they come down and need their next hit!
"Cannabis is dangerous, not" is a statement uttered by a fool who has obviously never seen the end result of all of this crap that people "discover" and think that they can control!
That includes alcohol.

mikey2gorgeous says...
11:26am Fri 19 Mar 10

@Laurie - it has now been acknowledged by most authorities (even our government) that cannabis is NOT as was previously thought a gateway drug. There are plenty of ways of taking it without using tobacco.
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To then compare it with heroin addiction shows how little you understand about these matters.
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Talk to drug support workers - they will tell you that the vast majority of heroin users are extremely damaged people (usually from abuse by 'loved' ones or mental illness). The heroin use is a symptom of their problem - not the cause of it. To be in such a state that the only way you can escape mental torment is to use H must be a terrible condition. To then deny these people proper medical help and cast them out from society is sick.
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We can only judge ourselves by how we treat those least fortunate.

Laurie H Marsh says...
12:34pm Fri 19 Mar 10

mikey2gorgeous wrote:
@Laurie - it has now been acknowledged by most authorities (even our government) that cannabis is NOT as was previously thought a gateway drug. There are plenty of ways of taking it without using tobacco. . To then compare it with heroin addiction shows how little you understand about these matters. . Talk to drug support workers - they will tell you that the vast majority of heroin users are extremely damaged people (usually from abuse by 'loved' ones or mental illness). The heroin use is a symptom of their problem - not the cause of it. To be in such a state that the only way you can escape mental torment is to use H must be a terrible condition. To then deny these people proper medical help and cast them out from society is sick. . We can only judge ourselves by how we treat those least fortunate.
Most authorities?
CRAP!
We raised our kids in a very well-to do suburb on the outer edges of Brisbane.
Unlike a lot of the local parents we were very close to our kids and were actively involved with them as they grew up.
We knew all of the kids in the area and watched them develop from an early age.
About 75% of them tried or used cannabis.
About 7 or 10 per cent of them went on to use the "heavier" drugs.
I hate to tell you this but they weren't "extremely" damaged until they started to use this crap.
They were just the "cool" ones!
They weren't trying to escape mental cruelty, they just knew better!
As for not understanding the drug culture, well I saw it as I grew up and I was bloody sure that my kids were going to go down that track if I could help it!
Before spouting jingoistic rubbish go out and take a look!
There is a real world out there!
People with your views are part of the problem!

scoobles says...
1:21pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Sounds like you've done a survey??

Just becuase someone is "well to do" doesn't mean they have happy lives. I don't think anyone takes heroin becuase it's "cool"

scoobles says...
2:27pm Fri 19 Mar 10

and umm i dont think anything mikey2gorgeous said was jingoistic??

mikey2gorgeous says...
2:38pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Well - this authority amongst others..
http://www.drugscope
.org.uk/resources/fa
qs/faqpages/does-can
nabis-lead-to-taking
-other-drugs
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The figures you post are alarming. While there is a lot of cannabis use here it certainly doesn't lead to anywhere near that level of heroin use especially in 'well to do' areas.

mikey2gorgeous says...
2:41pm Fri 19 Mar 10

I urge anyone worried about mephedrone (and particularly the Echo's reporters!) to read what DrugScope has to say on the matter...
http://druglink.blog
spot.com/2010/03/med
ia-muddle-over-mephe
drone.html

Laurie H Marsh says...
12:25pm Sat 20 Mar 10

scoobles wrote:
Sounds like you've done a survey?? Just becuase someone is "well to do" doesn't mean they have happy lives. I don't think anyone takes heroin becuase it's "cool"
The "survey" I did was called life.
I was the invisible man (I simply coached the local kids in how to play football).
A lot of the "well to do" parents simply threw money at their kids whille they were making a "success" of their own lives.
If you think that "cool" is not an issue in taking ANY drug, take another look!
No-one NEEDS to take tobacco, booze, weed or any other drug.
Dont you remember the first puff on a fag, the first tase of beer etc.?
Why did you do it?
Wake up!

poolebabe says...
3:09pm Tue 23 Mar 10

I say serve laughing gas and helium behind any bar, and you solve the problem of angry drinkers :D People do look for the next high sadly. As they ban one thing and criminalise people, the next legal high is being developed. The government and police are doing the right thing by informing people of the dangers, but I think it's about time that's where they should leave it. It's like a dog chasing it's tail. They will never win the war. There are plenty of legal ways to die, whether that be smoking, drinking, overeating, out walking or driving a car. It seems this drug is very popular and fairly widespread, and with three deaths in the entire world? More people die per second from starvation! Maybe it's a slightly ignorant comment from me, I don't know. :/

scoobles says...
8:45pm Tue 23 Mar 10

Laurie H Marsh wrote:
scoobles wrote: Sounds like you've done a survey?? Just becuase someone is "well to do" doesn't mean they have happy lives. I don't think anyone takes heroin becuase it's "cool"
The "survey" I did was called life. I was the invisible man (I simply coached the local kids in how to play football). A lot of the "well to do" parents simply threw money at their kids whille they were making a "success" of their own lives. If you think that "cool" is not an issue in taking ANY drug, take another look! No-one NEEDS to take tobacco, booze, weed or any other drug. Dont you remember the first puff on a fag, the first tase of beer etc.? Why did you do it? Wake up!
You're "funny"

Slem_1990 says...
10:10pm Fri 26 Mar 10

Laurie H Marsh wrote:
Slem_1990 wrote:
Dibbles2 wrote:
ben111 wrote:
Laurie H Marsh wrote: I remember when Lsd was THE way to go! Freedom! THE answer! Some of the people that I knew way back then are still in mental institutions. The lucky ones are dead! Roll on the next BIG THING! Wake up people!
Tottaly agree ask any one that works in mental health and a good number of the people in mental institutes are their through prellonged use of canabis
Hear hear!
Yes cannabis is very dangerous, not. Just as with anything excessive use is bad. Look at alcohol. But how can you preach an anti-drug (and particularly anti-cannabis) gospel when I'm sure you drink/smoke. This attitude is endemic of British society. Cannabis isn't dangerous (no recorded fatalities from its use), whereas people regularly overdose on alcohol. I've never seen an aggressive stoner either. Have you? That said I've seen plenty of people smashing people's faces in with Beer bottles after one too many pints.
You are obviously a person who does (or has) use(d) cannabis so I will ask you. How do you take it?
Rolled up in tobbacco?
If the answer is yes, please dont preach about the evils of tobacco since you are a user yourself!
The biggest problem that people have with "the weed" is trying to get rid of the niccotine habit!
Ever seen some-one "high" on heroin?
The word "high" is completely wrong they look more like a happy lump of wood!
That is until they come down and need their next hit!
"Cannabis is dangerous, not" is a statement uttered by a fool who has obviously never seen the end result of all of this crap that people "discover" and think that they can control!
That includes alcohol.
The point I was trying to make is that there has to be parity with the two.

To preach about the Dangers of using illegal drugs when the 2 most common legal drugs kill more people than all the others collectively is just ridiculous.

I was not condemning the use of alcohol or tobacco. It is anyone's choice to use them and I have myself. But the point is that cannabis is not as dangerous as them and Mephedrone (judging by the recommendation for it to become a class B drug) is probably on par.

Therefore, either society needs to accept that substances such as Mephedrone and Cannabis are safe enough to be used, or Alcohol and Tobacco need to be outlawed.

Now I know which situation I prefer...

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With regards to the use of heroin etc. I will not spew the argument that people should be free to make their own choice because to be honest there are a hell of a lot of people in the world who are not capable of making the sensible decision. But as I have said before, there needs to be parity. It is grossly hypocritical to make money from 2 very dangerous substances whilst demonising something like Marijuana which is comparatively safe to use.

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Great news about the transfer embargo though. Up The mighty Cherries!

hmif says...
11:11pm Sat 27 Mar 10

Wow, this certainly has sparked a very varied and interesting reaction! And to think this whole story from the Bournemouth angle was broken in Bournemouth Uni's student newspaper a few weeks earlier. Amazing!


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