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In office and out of touch?

7:00pm Friday 6th June 2008

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HARDLY a day goes by without some politicians getting it in the neck for either being greedy or not having any idea how the rest of us have to live.

If it isn't the MPs' expenses debacle - where the Speaker of the House of Commons used taxpayers' money to try to prevent the taxpayers knowing how much they subsidise our elected representatives - it's South West MEP Giles Chichester, dismissing an EU rule-breaking £400,000 expenses claim as a "whoopsadaisy" moment.

And many taxpayers are still fuming over the knowledge that some MPs have charged them for anything from a pergola and garden plants, to the cost of having their garage cleared, or to supply their second home with new lightbulbs.

Many commentators are claiming that, bolstered by their generous allowances and subsidies (they can all travel first class by train, for instance), MPs don't understand the concerns facing ordinary people.

Yesterday newspapers carried damning pictures of just 15 MPs taking part in a debate on knife-control, sparking yet more claims of out-of-touch-ism. Knife crime claimed the lives of two young men in London last month and is the subject of much debate in the country.

Tobias Ellwood, MP for East Bournemouth and final speaker in the 90-minute session, said after the debate: "I'm saddened. It's late in the week and a one-line whip."

He said turnout did not reflect the issue's importance.

Two or our MPs were asked the price of some basic household goods and just how in-touch they felt they were with the electorate.

Mid-Dorset and North Poole MP Mrs Annette Brooke said she had been unwell and unable to attend the knife debate but understood people's concerns about knife crime.

"If I hadn't felt so unwell I would have attended," she said. "I think the government's done it all the wrong way round and should have put in the supportive measures for young people and then the punishments. But it's taken its eye off knife crime, it's taken its eye off binge drinking with young people, both of which are often related.

"One of the greatest faults of this government is that it gets on one track and misses important things. Knife crime is very, very difficult to solve because the young people think they are protecting themselves."

So, in touch there, but what more mundane matters? How much would she pay for a loaf of bread, for instance?

"I buy these fancy loaves so they are quite expensive," she says. " I do spend about £1 on a loaf of bread. I could buy bread a lot cheaper, though. I could buy bread at 40p a loaf."

Not according to Tesco, she couldn't, which charges anything from £1 to £1.24 for a large sliced.

What about a pint of milk? "I tend to buy it at the House of Commons when I'm in London, to take back to my flat. It's about 45p. In my constituency I have a milkman, so I pay him by the month."

According to Tesco, a pint of milk can cost from 42p to 50p for organic, so spot on with her estimate there.

And what about petrol? How much is a litre of unleaded these days? Annette believes it is: "£1.50 a litre for unleaded." Wrong. Amazingly, the price of a litre of the green-stuff actually costs less - around £1.16.

Christchurch MP Chris Chope was well up to speed, however. "The price of bread? The last time I bought it I paid about £1.15 for a loaf. For milk, for two pints I pay around £1.30, not far off what I pay for one litre of unleaded!"

Not bad at all. But what about knife crime? "It's something I'm concerned about, but I was at the Defence Committee of the Western European Union which was being held in Paris at the time so I couldn't get back."


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fiona, Bournemouth says...
9:11pm Fri 6 Jun 08


The main problem is a lot of MP's arent socio-economically typical of their actual voters

They arent really representative of the people in the sense of being typical of the wider population

They often arent from the same social background
60% have been to a public school compared to just 4% of the general population

Its no wonder some of them are out of touch with regard to everyday matters




Frederick Jones, Southbourne says...
8:27am Sat 7 Jun 08

Is it not interesting that some MPs, including I gather some local ones, want their pay and allowances in future to be decided by a review body? Such a body would of course be appointed by themselves with predictable results.If it were elected by the people they would be paid much less for what is in fact a pert-time job.

fiona, Bournemouth says...
9:40am Sat 7 Jun 08



''The Daily Echo called five of our local MPs ... asking the price of some basic household goods, just how in touch they felt they were with the electorate. We left messages with five members: Tobias Ellwood, Chris Chope, Annette Brooke, Robert Syms and Robert Walter''





I can understand why the MP's didnt get back to the Daily Echo

They are busy people dealing with serious issues-an email or phone call from a local paper asking frivolous questions probably wasnt top of their agenda


Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West says...
11:47am Sat 7 Jun 08

The point is these people are elected by the people, and there fore should answer the questions of the people, whether it comes directly from them, or via a news media.

It would be in the interest of the people that their MPs (and Councillors) stay in touch regardless of their own backgrounds.

How can they debate and argument in parliament or office, if they do not know the facts. I mean to say, when was the last time a loaf of bread costs 40p.

If an MP is off sick, then it is up to them to ensure that they have a line of communication to their office of government. It pays to keep in touch. With todays technology there is no excuse not to put ones ideas to the front regardless of where you are.

We are all busy people, as is anyone else. It is part of their remit to answer our questions. To ignore us is the height of ignorance, and to not carry out their duties correctly.

Once again Fiona in your hike up the ladder of office you are not seeing the picture beyond your blinkered vision.


PETE WOODLEY, says...
3:22pm Sat 7 Jun 08

fiona wrote:


''The Daily Echo called five of our local MPs ... asking the price of some basic household goods, just how in touch they felt they were with the electorate. We left messages with five members: Tobias Ellwood, Chris Chope, Annette Brooke, Robert Syms and Robert Walter''





I can understand why the MP's didnt get back to the Daily Echo

They are busy people dealing with serious issues-an email or phone call from a local paper asking frivolous questions probably wasnt top of their agenda

TO FIONA THE TORY PRESS OFFICER .HARK WHO'S TALKING,you have been making frivolous comments and nasty ones on this site,and should be grateful to the ECHO,if you dont like the ECHO why bother everyone on this site.

Fiona Dougherty-Price, Bournemouth says...
4:04pm Sat 7 Jun 08

I think you've taken me the wrong way?

I think the Echo is a good local newspaper

But I do think they would have got a better response by just posing the one question concerning knife crime and not included the pop quiz type question about the price of bread


PETE WOODLEY, says...
4:19pm Sat 7 Jun 08

Once again,you forget what you have written previously,did you or did you not criticise the ECHO.Why dont you come straight out with it, and say the reporters do not know what they are doing and YOU DO,as usual.

Carl Barron, Dorset says...
6:34pm Sat 7 Jun 08

Quote In office and out of touch?

Reply Do you think the MPs really care at all?

No of course they don't . As for Cameron making comments as to suggest he cares, and is the 'New Peoples Person.' All false in my opinion.

Whilst an MP can sit on an opposition bench and get paid for shouting Hoo Hoo Ho, etc.

Why should they put themselves in the Hot Seat of government by being the controlling party?

Just get your secretary to write letters of referrals and sit back, whilst making the occasional half hearted comment just for records sake.

Quote But what about knife crime?

Reply Not Until one of thier siblings is killed nothing of significance will happen in English Law.

Browns stupid amendment will have no affect on Knife Crime. Do you really think that a person who is prepared to kill another will be swayed by a threat of a Jail Sentence?

I suggested the following:

We need to have auto conscription placed into British Law. A new fast track system to place offending youngsters into boot camp for rehabilitation .

We need to consider copying the American prison farm system where offenders have to work for thier keep to relieve the ever increasing burden on the British tax payers.


East Cliff Nick, Bournemouth says...
8:40pm Sat 7 Jun 08

" I do spend about £1 on a loaf of bread. I could buy bread a lot cheaper, though. I could buy bread at 40p a loaf."

Not according to Tesco, she couldn't, which charges anything from £1 to £1.24 for a large sliced.quote


I don't support Mrs Brooke's party but actually she is right and the (unnamed) Echo reporter
- and Tesco's! - are wrong.

My local Asda sells bread for as little as 37p unless they've stuck a couple of pence on since I last looked. And even Tesco Express sells loaves for well under 70p (how odd that in a time of recession their spokesperson should be implying that customers cannot buy cheaper basic items!)

Perhaps it is concern about this sort of lazy, sloppy and anonymous reporting which makes MPs reluctant to return calls from a news medium!

dancingdog777, Christchurch says...
1:07am Sun 8 Jun 08

MR Chope was "at the Defence Committee of the Western European Union in Paris".

What for Mr Chope?

You were elected to represent Dorset in the House of Commons, which you failed to do.

You were not elected to go galivanting around France when you should have been doing the job you are paid to do!

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