enid wrote:
What on earth is she doing in a cafe with a 3 day old baby? Call me old fashioned, but a new mother with a toddler should be at home resting - never mind keeping the baby warm and away from unnecessary germs whilst it is so tiny.

CDN wrote:
It appears to me, that one should consider public decency. Is it also a natural thing to see parents on the side of the road allowing their children to relieve themselves in full view of other motorists - I think not. Perhaps mothers who wish to breast feed in public, should first consider the feelings of others in close vicinity rather than selfishly deny the diginity that others might wish in the circumstances.

CDN wrote:
Hev, Bournemouth..... Thank you for your views, but when my wife and I lost our 18 month old child, the distress that my wife experienced when seeing a mother breast feeding her child, brought the who event back to her and me. That is why I said," Perhaps mothers who wish to breast feed in public, should first consider the feelings of others in the circumstances."

Ann wrote:
So this young mother states she had only just overcome a fear of feeding her baby in public - the baby was 3 days old!! Is this our 'blame culture' rearing its ugly head again? As for being natural - well the baby's conception was probably 'natural' but I wouldnt fancy seeing that act in a public place, least of all a cafe.
Incidentally, just yards from this cafe Mothercare provide a mother and baby room for breastfeeding etc.
Hmmmm

Si wrote:
Tell the other customers to f*** off if it makes them feel uncomfortable. No mother should be asked to stop breastfeeding, no matter where you are.

Si wrote:
Tell the other customers to f*** off if it makes them feel uncomfortable. No mother should be asked to stop breastfeeding, no matter where you are.

enid wrote:
What on earth is she doing in a cafe with a 3 day old baby? Call me old fashioned, but a new mother with a toddler should be at home resting - never mind keeping the baby warm and away from unnecessary germs whilst it is so tiny.

Local Mum wrote:
To Storm, I take it, you must be a male, not all woman claim to have lost dignity when giving birth. What do you suggest the poor mother do, let her baby scream, because of bigoted types like you & not feed the baby. If you don't wish to see babies fed, then you stay in.

silky wrote:
Come on Pete you were a baby once.

The stiff upper british lip has just taken a turn for the downright ridiculous on this site.
I simply cant believe what i am reading

2Much wrote:
Glad to see mostly sensible answers to this..some ridiculous ones tho!

Enid is concerned that a 3 day old baby is out of the house...when you're a new mum, you don't just want to get out as a proud mum and push your pushchair..you also need the fresh air that is vital to her and the baby.

2Much wrote:
Glad to see mostly sensible answers to this..some ridiculous ones tho!

Enid is concerned that a 3 day old baby is out of the house...when you're a new mum, you don't just want to get out as a proud mum and push your pushchair..you also need the fresh air that is vital to her and the baby.

storm wrote:
It is discrimination if you allow a mother to flop it out to feed her baby THAT WON'T WAIT and don't let a man pee when HE CAN'T WAIT! There is an appropriate place for everything, the majority of people do the right thing and REALISE PEOPLE DO HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS!!! New mothers are deluded, don't forget they all claim to have lost dignity having given birth and showing it all, so they don't care any more, it is a selfish act in public and they should plan to be at home for feeding!

Carl Barron wrote:

There's a time and a place for everything , and I personally do not think a Cafe is the right place, unless there is a screened off area.

Heavens above they'll be wanting to change NAPPIES in Cafes next.

the.lighthouse wrote:
There are some pretty sick people around it seems. I dont see anyone making a fuss about babies being fed in cafes with bottles of formula milk, which to me is upsetting as it really isnt the best start in life; and people who put young mothers off breastfeeding in this manner should be ashamed of themselves. We should all be encouraging Mums to feed their babies human milk.

the.lighthouse wrote:
There are some pretty sick people around it seems. I dont see anyone making a fuss about babies being fed in cafes with bottles of formula milk, which to me is upsetting as it really isnt the best start in life; and people who put young mothers off breastfeeding in this manner should be ashamed of themselves. We should all be encouraging Mums to feed their babies human milk.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

the.lighthouse wrote: There are some pretty sick people around it seems. I dont see anyone making a fuss about babies being fed in cafes with bottles of formula milk, which to me is upsetting as it really isnt the best start in life; and people who put young mothers off breastfeeding in this manner should be ashamed of themselves. We should all be encouraging Mums to feed their babies human milk.

According to the poll 1 in 3 are against,are they all meant to be sick people ?.Dont be such a bully ,let people have their own opinions whether its right or not,or are you just selfish.

godzilla wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

the.lighthouse wrote: There are some pretty sick people around it seems. I dont see anyone making a fuss about babies being fed in cafes with bottles of formula milk, which to me is upsetting as it really isnt the best start in life; and people who put young mothers off breastfeeding in this manner should be ashamed of themselves. We should all be encouraging Mums to feed their babies human milk.

According to the poll 1 in 3 are against,are they all meant to be sick people ?.Dont be such a bully ,let people have their own opinions whether its right or not,or are you just selfish.

think you'll find it was the mother that was bullied

Local Mum wrote:
To Storm, I take it, you must be a male, not all woman claim to have lost dignity when giving birth. What do you suggest the poor mother do, let her baby scream, because of bigoted types like you & not feed the baby. If you don't wish to see babies fed, then you stay in.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

Local Mum wrote: To Storm, I take it, you must be a male, not all woman claim to have lost dignity when giving birth. What do you suggest the poor mother do, let her baby scream, because of bigoted types like you & not feed the baby. If you don't wish to see babies fed, then you stay in.

Selfish and stupid comment,why should storm have to stay in,GROW UP AND ENGAGE YOU BRAIN.

godzilla wrote:
I believe you suggested the writers were being bullied for stating their opinons I am merely doing the same
N.B my nickname was given to me by my daughter as I am quite scary

godzilla wrote:

storm wrote: It is discrimination if you allow a mother to flop it out to feed her baby THAT WON'T WAIT and don't let a man pee when HE CAN'T WAIT! There is an appropriate place for everything, the majority of people do the right thing and REALISE PEOPLE DO HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS!!! New mothers are deluded, don't forget they all claim to have lost dignity having given birth and showing it all, so they don't care any more, it is a selfish act in public and they should plan to be at home for feeding!

think youll find that you don't need to "flop them out to breast feed" so basically if you are hungry you will have to wait to be fed and not go to a cafe to eat then. It will cut down your shoping time quite a bit though

Ann wrote:
So this young mother states she had only just overcome a fear of feeding her baby in public - the baby was 3 days old!! Is this our 'blame culture' rearing its ugly head again? As for being natural - well the baby's conception was probably 'natural' but I wouldnt fancy seeing that act in a public place, least of all a cafe. Incidentally, just yards from this cafe Mothercare provide a mother and baby room for breastfeeding etc. Hmmmm

Shelley wrote:
If I was to sit in a cafe feeding my baby a bottle of formula in a low cut top bearing loads of cleavage no one would say anything.
Yet if I were to sit and feed my baby in a discreet manner, where you can actually see less of my breast because I am wearing a normal well covered top you would have a problem with?
Yet some of you think your opinions are so educated on the matter but make no sense whatsoever.
For those of you who have compared feeding a baby to changing it's nappy. Do you eat in the same place you go to the toilet? Again another example of a stupid comparison.
Why should a mother have to be at home for every feed? Are you all at home for every feed, babies can feed hourly at this age, so it is just not always possible.
I was recently in Costa Coffee where my friend breastfed her baby no problem, so not all costa's are run by such small minded people.
I really pity the people on here who have such uneducated comments, I would really hate to live your pathetic lives. You have a problem because you know what someones doing, not because you can actually see anything.
I breastfed my daughter and I will breast feed my son when he is born whenever he needs feeding, if I am out, so be it.
I would love to ever have someone tell me I can't, because what you going to do about it????

Shelley wrote:
If I was to sit in a cafe feeding my baby a bottle of formula in a low cut top bearing loads of cleavage no one would say anything.
Yet if I were to sit and feed my baby in a discreet manner, where you can actually see less of my breast because I am wearing a normal well covered top you would have a problem with?
Yet some of you think your opinions are so educated on the matter but make no sense whatsoever.
For those of you who have compared feeding a baby to changing it's nappy. Do you eat in the same place you go to the toilet? Again another example of a stupid comparison.
Why should a mother have to be at home for every feed? Are you all at home for every feed, babies can feed hourly at this age, so it is just not always possible.
I was recently in Costa Coffee where my friend breastfed her baby no problem, so not all costa's are run by such small minded people.
I really pity the people on here who have such uneducated comments, I would really hate to live your pathetic lives. You have a problem because you know what someones doing, not because you can actually see anything.
I breastfed my daughter and I will breast feed my son when he is born whenever he needs feeding, if I am out, so be it.
I would love to ever have someone tell me I can't, because what you going to do about it????

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

Shelley wrote: If I was to sit in a cafe feeding my baby a bottle of formula in a low cut top bearing loads of cleavage no one would say anything. Yet if I were to sit and feed my baby in a discreet manner, where you can actually see less of my breast because I am wearing a normal well covered top you would have a problem with? Yet some of you think your opinions are so educated on the matter but make no sense whatsoever. For those of you who have compared feeding a baby to changing it's nappy. Do you eat in the same place you go to the toilet? Again another example of a stupid comparison. Why should a mother have to be at home for every feed? Are you all at home for every feed, babies can feed hourly at this age, so it is just not always possible. I was recently in Costa Coffee where my friend breastfed her baby no problem, so not all costa's are run by such small minded people. I really pity the people on here who have such uneducated comments, I would really hate to live your pathetic lives. You have a problem because you know what someones doing, not because you can actually see anything. I breastfed my daughter and I will breast feed my son when he is born whenever he needs feeding, if I am out, so be it. I would love to ever have someone tell me I can't, because what you going to do about it????

What a silly girl you are,completely selfish,and couldnt care less for other peoples views or opinions,i have prostrate cancer and have to go to toilet quite a lot,please let me know where you live,so i can use your garden,when i like and where i like when i visit Kent.As for pathetic lives i have done and seen more than you ever will.Find out more about a person,before making idiotic comments.ms.

Shelley wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

Shelley wrote: If I was to sit in a cafe feeding my baby a bottle of formula in a low cut top bearing loads of cleavage no one would say anything. Yet if I were to sit and feed my baby in a discreet manner, where you can actually see less of my breast because I am wearing a normal well covered top you would have a problem with? Yet some of you think your opinions are so educated on the matter but make no sense whatsoever. For those of you who have compared feeding a baby to changing it's nappy. Do you eat in the same place you go to the toilet? Again another example of a stupid comparison. Why should a mother have to be at home for every feed? Are you all at home for every feed, babies can feed hourly at this age, so it is just not always possible. I was recently in Costa Coffee where my friend breastfed her baby no problem, so not all costa's are run by such small minded people. I really pity the people on here who have such uneducated comments, I would really hate to live your pathetic lives. You have a problem because you know what someones doing, not because you can actually see anything. I breastfed my daughter and I will breast feed my son when he is born whenever he needs feeding, if I am out, so be it. I would love to ever have someone tell me I can't, because what you going to do about it????

What a silly girl you are,completely selfish,and couldnt care less for other peoples views or opinions,i have prostrate cancer and have to go to toilet quite a lot,please let me know where you live,so i can use your garden,when i like and where i like when i visit Kent.As for pathetic lives i have done and seen more than you ever will.Find out more about a person,before making idiotic comments.ms.

Oh i'm more selfish for worrying about a hungry baby than silly small minded people like yourself?
Again comparing urinating to feeding..........
So if you need to wee frequently (i'm pregnant so I know all about that!!!!) why don't you stay at home all the time, if that's what you think.
If you needed to wee that badly you could wee in my garden, but I would offer you my toilet. Sorry I forgot i'm selfish. *chuckles to ones self*

Shelley wrote:

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

Shelley wrote: If I was to sit in a cafe feeding my baby a bottle of formula in a low cut top bearing loads of cleavage no one would say anything. Yet if I were to sit and feed my baby in a discreet manner, where you can actually see less of my breast because I am wearing a normal well covered top you would have a problem with? Yet some of you think your opinions are so educated on the matter but make no sense whatsoever. For those of you who have compared feeding a baby to changing it's nappy. Do you eat in the same place you go to the toilet? Again another example of a stupid comparison. Why should a mother have to be at home for every feed? Are you all at home for every feed, babies can feed hourly at this age, so it is just not always possible. I was recently in Costa Coffee where my friend breastfed her baby no problem, so not all costa's are run by such small minded people. I really pity the people on here who have such uneducated comments, I would really hate to live your pathetic lives. You have a problem because you know what someones doing, not because you can actually see anything. I breastfed my daughter and I will breast feed my son when he is born whenever he needs feeding, if I am out, so be it. I would love to ever have someone tell me I can't, because what you going to do about it????

What a silly girl you are,completely selfish,and couldnt care less for other peoples views or opinions,i have prostrate cancer and have to go to toilet quite a lot,please let me know where you live,so i can use your garden,when i like and where i like when i visit Kent.As for pathetic lives i have done and seen more than you ever will.Find out more about a person,before making idiotic comments.ms.

Oh i'm more selfish for worrying about a hungry baby than silly small minded people like yourself?
Again comparing urinating to feeding..........
So if you need to wee frequently (i'm pregnant so I know all about that!!!!) why don't you stay at home all the time, if that's what you think.
If you needed to wee that badly you could wee in my garden, but I would offer you my toilet. Sorry I forgot i'm selfish. *chuckles to ones self*

Carl Barron wrote:
Posted by: 2Much, New Forest on 3:12pm today Quote I suggest then, that you invent something that babies can use to deter their hunger until a more suitable place comes up to breast feed Reply No Problem this . An invention you want well here it is for FREE. Ask a manufacture to make or make yourself a thermal Baby Bottle holder that can be strapped to the body. So when you are out in a Cafe or whatever you just slide the warm Baby Bottle full of Mums Best Expressed Milk kept at body temperature. I do hope this helps?

Shelley wrote:

Carl Barron wrote:
Posted by: 2Much, New Forest on 3:12pm today Quote I suggest then, that you invent something that babies can use to deter their hunger until a more suitable place comes up to breast feed Reply No Problem this . An invention you want well here it is for FREE. Ask a manufacture to make or make yourself a thermal Baby Bottle holder that can be strapped to the body. So when you are out in a Cafe or whatever you just slide the warm Baby Bottle full of Mums Best Expressed Milk kept at body temperature. I do hope this helps?

My daughter wouldn't drink from a bottle so not always an answer.
Also as a male you would never have breastfed a baby therefore you have no conception of how long it takes to express enough milk for one feed.
So no doesn't really help that much.
Also why is it ok to feed a baby from a bottle, which you can see, than feed a baby from the breast which you cant see?
All that maufacturing, extra stuff to take out, resources used creating, sterilising and washing up these items.
Here's a better idea, i'll just feed my baby from my breast when I need to thanks.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:

Shelley wrote:

Carl Barron wrote: Posted by: 2Much, New Forest on 3:12pm today Quote I suggest then, that you invent something that babies can use to deter their hunger until a more suitable place comes up to breast feed Reply No Problem this . An invention you want well here it is for FREE. Ask a manufacture to make or make yourself a thermal Baby Bottle holder that can be strapped to the body. So when you are out in a Cafe or whatever you just slide the warm Baby Bottle full of Mums Best Expressed Milk kept at body temperature. I do hope this helps?

My daughter wouldn't drink from a bottle so not always an answer. Also as a male you would never have breastfed a baby therefore you have no conception of how long it takes to express enough milk for one feed. So no doesn't really help that much. Also why is it ok to feed a baby from a bottle, which you can see, than feed a baby from the breast which you cant see? All that maufacturing, extra stuff to take out, resources used creating, sterilising and washing up these items. Here's a better idea, i'll just feed my baby from my breast when I need to thanks.

Stop showing yourself up,do you think you are the only one who has ever had to breastfeed a baby in public,you are obviously not mature enough to be a mother.

Carl Barron wrote:
Posted by: Shelley, Kent on 8:38pm today Quote Also why is it ok to feed a baby from a bottle, which you can see, than feed a baby from the breast which you cant see? Reply Well Shelley ! There are such thing as etiquette . If you were out in the Jungle it wouldn't matter a all, would it? The modern Day Mum and for that matter the modern day Girl , has a far lower social standing and respect by thier Male counterparts because of the Lowering of Social etiquette . The modern day Girl flashes everything they have in order to attract thier Male counterparts. Girls used to be held in high esteem, but not now unfortunately. There is one thing I respect of you Girls or Mums, you do stick together and you do communicate a great deal with one another. Whereas us Males generally try to play one-upmanship which is, pretty pathetic. For Explanation of etiquette copy paste link to browser: http://www.answers.c om/etiquette?gwp=11& ver=1.0.5.157&method =3

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
As i said before.IMMATURE

scorpio3 wrote:
if nicola would have pouted her lips,opened her legs and looked sexual,no-one would have taken any notice.its the way of society these days.But nicola dont let these people cheat you out of the enourmous benefits you will recive from breastfeeding your baby.

scorpio3 wrote:
Im sorry but no man will be able to relate to this. As every mother that has breastfed knows its not just about food,for the baby ,its also about reassurance, sercurity, bonding with baby. Baby feeling safe .You cant do that when it suits you ,you have to be there for them when they need it. No matter where you are .Thats how we get stable,secure,loving children for the future.

lerryn wrote:
Makes me mad... I will never give my money to this company again.

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graham Christopher wrote:

lerryn wrote:
Makes me mad... I will never give my money to this company again.

Can I just clarify which company is that?? Costa or the Echo.

Just wondering cos if its the Echo then why not. They are not responsible for this debate.

Sorry being kinda doh here

lerryn wrote:

graham Christopher wrote:

lerryn wrote:
Makes me mad... I will never give my money to this company again.

Can I just clarify which company is that?? Costa or the Echo.

Just wondering cos if its the Echo then why not. They are not responsible for this debate.

Sorry being kinda doh here

Sorry, Costa. I think debate is good. Women do not "flop" breasts out when feeding, not a newborn anyway. Breastfeeding is an art & most people are very self conscious at first. 3 days after having a baby a womens hormones are peaking & she would be incredibly emotional - lucky she didn't punch the staff member! Would they rather her baby scream?

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PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Bet you wouldnt like it at your dinner table,although you sound like you eat rough,and act rough.

PETE WOODLEY wrote:
you are quite welcome to have a go at me,leave the others who object alone,like Storm,Enid,etc,they are entitled to their opinion and have had more experience,all i want is to protect those who do not agree,

"The EU Directive stipulates that less favourable treatment on grounds of pregnancy or maternity is direct sex discrimination.
"The law would apply if a restaurant owner turned a woman away for breastfeeding her newborn baby if the act of breastfeeding was the reason for doing so.

"The regulations do not provide a right for a mother to breastfeed in a public place."

vvvqv wrote:
I think that some people would quite like to see babies banned altogether.....all this championing for "old-fashioned" ways, wanted by folk who are probably happily retrieving pensions or benefits by the very people they call immature, selfish, etc.

I suspect Pete Woodley wasn't breastfed. Maybe he should have been. He mightnt be so bitter about breastfeeding then.

Oh, breastfeeding also helps prevent some cancers too. It's pretty amazing stuff.
Urine doesnt prevent cancer.
Just incase anyone was unclear, you know, with all the comparisons of it to breastmilk and all.

Carl Barron wrote:
Well, Ladies here's another such story for you to get stuck into.

Another Mum thrown out of Cafe in Gosport High Street, for Breastfeeding Baby.

Copy paste link to story below into broswer:

http://www.portsmout
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Phoebe wrote:
I'd like to ask Pete Woodley why he feels the need to stick up for those against breastfeeding if he himself is not?

And Sticks babies, to grow and thrive should be fed on demand, after all they know when they are hungry and not what the time is. Babies that are fed to a strict time table usually end up with having to go on to formula as a mothers supply will be affected by the restrictions. And also a father can be involved in many other areas of their childs life, bathtime, playtime, cuddles etc. They weren't given breasts, thats life!

I am a breastfeeding mother to (shock, horror) a seventeen month old, and although I was very proud to feed my child in public upto a year, SOME peoples reactions to a toddler feeding make me feel very uncomfortable. I ask why should breastfeeding mothers be made to feel like this because of old fashioned types - why do you think your way is right, the world is changing all the time but none of us would be here if it weren't for breastfeeding!

Phoebe wrote:
I think its disgusting that a breastfeeding mother should be asked to stop feeding in public. Our society in this country is backward when it comes to this natural act, most other European and and African and Asian countries have a far higher breastfeeding record. The health benefits are enormous for both mother and child and are even believed to raise the IQ of the infant by 7%. Bet Pete Woodley wasn't breastfed!!!

Phoebe wrote:
PETE WOODLEY - I really feel your posts are inconsistant. You object to people 'ranting and abusing' those that object to bf and yet you obviously think its ok for you to abuse those that do bf. In most of your earlier comments you called others 'immature and stupid'. Very grown up of yourself! And most previous posters were obviously getting at the issue, as is the point of this afterall.

I have the utmost respect for the older generation, my father is in your age range and I hope I have learnt alot from my parents. But there is research happening all the time and most of the rest of the world know that 'breast is best' and unfortunately some of those in the older age bracket don't seem to be able to take these things on board.

As for your repulsive 'bitty' comment, I don't believe theres anything in world, natural or not, that could help you!

Perhaps instead of trying to cause controversy you could use your internet to research bf and learn something. As they say you're never too old - even you!

Phoebe wrote:
PETE WOODLEY - I really feel your posts are inconsistant. You object to people 'ranting and abusing' those that object to bf and yet you obviously think its ok for you to abuse those that do bf. In most of your earlier comments you called others 'immature and stupid'. Very grown up of yourself! And most previous posters were obviously getting at the issue, as is the point of this afterall.

I have the utmost respect for the older generation, my father is in your age range and I hope I have learnt alot from my parents. But there is research happening all the time and most of the rest of the world know that 'breast is best' and unfortunately some of those in the older age bracket don't seem to be able to take these things on board.

As for your repulsive 'bitty' comment, I don't believe theres anything in world, natural or not, that could help you!

Perhaps instead of trying to cause controversy you could use your internet to research bf and learn something. As they say you're never too old - even you!

Carl Barron wrote:
Posted by: Sticks, Newcastle upon Tyne on 2:33pm Wed 23 Apr 08 Quote IIRC, a series of clips on infant care from the 1950's when I suspect infant formula was king. It would there for fit into the regimented ethos of that time Reply If you read the Health Page on the link below it will tell you that making Baby Formula from UKs Tap Water can be lethal to the child. Statements come from a regulated health care body in the United States. Copy Paste link below and read Health Page : http://uk.geocities. com/tasknews/