Oh Dear! All in one day?

"A 12-year-old Bournemouth boy appeared in court accompanied by his elder sister as his mum was at a meeting"

Unbelievable!

PARENTS SHOULD BE COMPELLED TO ATTEND THESE HEARING AND MADE TO ACCOUNT - ANY WONDER THIS LAD IS IN TROUBLE

PARENTS SHOULD BE COMPELLED TO ATTEND THESE HEARING AND MADE TO ACCOUNT - ANY WONDER THIS LAD IS IN TROUBLE

fedupwithjobsworths wrote:
"A 12-year-old Bournemouth boy appeared in court accompanied by his elder sister as his mum was at a meeting" Unbelievable!

I daresay that the 'meeting' was being held at the Crown Court!

PARENTS SHOULD BE COMPELLED TO ATTEND THESE HEARING AND MADE TO ACCOUNT - ANY WONDER THIS LAD IS IN TROUBLE

Interesting that the first two offenders wanted to join the army. Well there's fat chance of that happening now that they've got a criminal record (or at least I'd like to think so).

Personally, I'd have given them both custodial sentences. A paltry fine for a violent crime? His mum was probably crying with joy! "No trouble at all" indeed. Wake up missus: your son's a lout.

Richard wrote:

fedupwithjobsworths wrote: "A 12-year-old Bournemouth boy appeared in court accompanied by his elder sister as his mum was at a meeting" Unbelievable!

I daresay that the 'meeting' was being held at the Crown Court!

Either that or she's a councillor!

Name and shame them and their families! They are under age and THE PARENT'S responsibility!!! When are the parents of these little angels going to realise their kids are terrorists!?? Sort them out and start taking a bit of interest in what they get up to - it would open your eyes I'm sure!

And this in a relatively nice part of the UK. God alone knows what goes on in the worse areas.

Trouble is, it's a small minority of kids committing offences repeatedly. Why? Because they have no aspirations in life and they also know that they can get away with it because the judicial system is so soft. It's a shame that these few rotten apples give everyone a distorted, dismal impression of today's youth. The Echo's sensationalist reporting doesn't help matters either.

Again unfair reporting as I believe that the Youth Court does not sit every day.

Charlie wrote:

Richard wrote:

fedupwithjobsworths wrote: "A 12-year-old Bournemouth boy appeared in court accompanied by his elder sister as his mum was at a meeting" Unbelievable!

I daresay that the 'meeting' was being held at the Crown Court!

Either that or she's a councillor!

Or a Magistrate :-)

Phil wrote:
Interesting that the first two offenders wanted to join the army. Well there's fat chance of that happening now that they've got a criminal record (or at least I'd like to think so). Personally, I'd have given them both custodial sentences. A paltry fine for a violent crime? His mum was probably crying with joy! "No trouble at all" indeed. Wake up missus: your son's a lout.

It is fairly common knowledge you might get off if you say you are going to join the armed forces, i guess they thought they may get off!

If someone states they are joining the Armed Forces they will be asked to produce papers. If they have not been given a date, they will not have the said papers. Subject to the crime, they can still join the armed services under the "Spent Time" scenario, ie, after a certain time, they can apply to join. However, it is not easy.

It might do them good, it certainly would not do any harm. UNLESS THEY PLAYED BEHIND THE BARRACK GATES.

UNLESS THEY PLAYED BEHIND THE BARRACK GATES.

Is that some sort of sexual euphemism?

I SPENT NINE YEARS IN THE ARMY IN THE SEVENTYS TO EIGHTYS.
THANK GOD THEY DID NOT TAKE SCUM LIKE THIS BACK THEN.

beachcomber wrote:
And this in a relatively nice part of the UK. God alone knows what goes on in the worse areas.

Just the same , but a few areas are now reclaiming the streets from the less than social people.

Give em a regimental scrub. The scrotes could be pinned to the ground, naked, and scrubbed with two hard yard brooms,6am for 7 days, if it did not reform them at least old ladies would be mugged by clean thugs, Only draw back no body would want the job

Perhaps all prospective parents should go through an IQ test before being allowed to breed,if they pass then they should be made to attend a parenting course then if they pass this,breed.Brave New World and a better one perhaps.

michael carpenter wrote:
I SPENT NINE YEARS IN THE ARMY IN THE SEVENTYS TO EIGHTYS. THANK GOD THEY DID NOT TAKE SCUM LIKE THIS BACK THEN.

Dont tell me you have never had a fight with anyone as a child or never ever got into trouble. You have to look at the braoder side of this story. Kids are being arrested for fighting nowadays when years ago parents used to let them get on with it. They are being arrested for shoplifting when years ago kids were drgged home by there parnets after being a clip round the ear by the local bobby and humilated. People have created a society when many are living on the breadline whilst working there arese off, many are living in shoe box local authority accomodation etc and a society where you cant smack your kids, shout at them or reasonably punish them with out some prat complaining. All adults are competing in a would that has little family value etc left and where material things are more important even when on the dole!

dibbles wrote:

michael carpenter wrote: I SPENT NINE YEARS IN THE ARMY IN THE SEVENTYS TO EIGHTYS. THANK GOD THEY DID NOT TAKE SCUM LIKE THIS BACK THEN.

Dont tell me you have never had a fight with anyone as a child or never ever got into trouble. You have to look at the braoder side of this story. Kids are being arrested for fighting nowadays when years ago parents used to let them get on with it. They are being arrested for shoplifting when years ago kids were drgged home by there parnets after being a clip round the ear by the local bobby and humilated. People have created a society when many are living on the breadline whilst working there arese off, many are living in shoe box local authority accomodation etc and a society where you cant smack your kids, shout at them or reasonably punish them with out some prat complaining. All adults are competing in a would that has little family value etc left and where material things are more important even when on the dole!

Apologies for the spelling errors. Keyboard virus!

E.L.M. wrote:
Perhaps all prospective parents should go through an IQ test before being allowed to breed,if they pass then they should be made to attend a parenting course then if they pass this,breed.Brave New World and a better one perhaps.

What a good idea I dont know what or who made you think of that wasn't me was it, also stop benefit of parents who frequent pubs like wetherspoons . wasters.

Anyone reading the papers today would think that gangs of youths roaming the streets threatening the public and carrying out crimes was something NEW. Well, I can assure you that it is very little difference now to how it was over forty years ago.

I can remember most of the gang fights that took place over forty five years ago from Mudeford Quay to Bournemouth.

Gangs in Bournemouth, and Poole would go out 'Frogy Bashing' as a sport. There was one hell of an 'FB' fight in what was then 'Bournemouth's Bus Station'. The FB Bashers got bashed well and truly that night. The police came from all angles and handcuffed about 15 FB members and marched then up the streets for all to see.

The main difference today is that crimes are mostly Drug, Drink related and this fuels the fire because most wouldn't have the courage to do what they do without the fuel.

I have come across some of the most hardened Drug, Drink users in my time, and I can assure you that most all of them are rebelling against the so called system . Girls now prefer to get a drugs track record then get pregnant because this scores more points in the so called system .

With a drugs record you get help such as £72 per week plus your parents get £53 per week much better then getting agro on the dole . The stupid system again fuels the fire in this respect.

Phil wrote:

UNLESS THEY PLAYED BEHIND THE BARRACK GATES.

Is that some sort of sexual euphemism?

A word missing Phil, should read "UNLESS THEY PLAYED UP BEHIND THE BARRACK GATES", meaning, one does not get away with lightly in the Armed Forces. Queens Regulations, Discipline Acts, and Civil Law are enforced, and I mean enforced.

beachcomber wrote:
And this in a relatively nice part of the UK. God alone knows what goes on in the worse areas.

You're joking!It's the back end of Britain with people to match, a dead end street.Pretentious, arrogant - all fur coat and no knickers. The crime rate is escalating as elsewhere in the country.It's no wonder people are emigrating in their thousands.Quality of life in Spain is superior, as it is elsewhere in Europe apart from Moldova - well, that tells you something!No hassle, better health care, better food - better everything - and certainly no no-go areas, especially at night or weekends with yobs running amok back home in your 'nice parts'.

A 12-year-old Bournemouth boy appeared in court accompanied by his elder sister as his mum was at a meeting.

He admitted assaulting his head teacher and another teacher at his school, kicking one and head-butting the other.
Carl Barron said: "Well, I can assure you that it is very little difference now to how it was over forty years ago."
Having retired from teaching 11 years ago, I can tell Carl Barron that it wasn't that bad then,let alone 40 years ago. There is no way a child of 12 (or any other age) would have even attempted to kick and head-butt teachers.
We might have had parents blaming teachers for their daughter's pregnancy when they left her at home every evening with her boyfriend while they both worked, but she wouldn't have dared misbehave in school, and her parents they wouldn't have allowed it either!

It was the teachers who were violent years ago in 1949 me and two other 14 year old boys got lost at Beaudesert school camp the teacher in charge of us Mr Anderson was like a madman when we got back, he broke a branch off a birch tree (I checked the tree out when I got older) he birched the three of us me first we got 3 strikes each about 30 spectators, one of the strikes also hit my left elbow which pained me for months still does now sometimes ,our crime we got lost on Cannock Chase .I wonder if anyone else on here has had it.

Charlie wrote:
A 12-year-old Bournemouth boy appeared in court accompanied by his elder sister as his mum was at a meeting. He admitted assaulting his head teacher and another teacher at his school, kicking one and head-butting the other. Carl Barron said: "Well, I can assure you that it is very little difference now to how it was over forty years ago." Having retired from teaching 11 years ago, I can tell Carl Barron that it wasn't that bad then,let alone 40 years ago. There is no way a child of 12 (or any other age) would have even attempted to kick and head-butt teachers. We might have had parents blaming teachers for their daughter's pregnancy when they left her at home every evening with her boyfriend while they both worked, but she wouldn't have dared misbehave in school, and her parents they wouldn't have allowed it either!

Regretfully the so called System I refer to is one that you and your fellow teachers were apart of. When you allowed Government to dictate to you on relaxing discipline in the Schools you should have protested in the strongest possible way, and withdrawn your services if not allowed to punish disorderly conduct.

My daughter wanted to teach and I refused to allow her to enter such a dangerous profession. The right to discipline a student has been taken away by the System. The Government has failed in almost every respect to correct the out of control situation schools are now in.

If Gordon Brown thinks he can correct the situation by asking parents to sign agreements he is mistaken. He aims at the children who come from deprived backgrounds , yet those who commit serious crimes come from all manner of backgrounds.

so the boy caught playing with stolen golfballs gets tagged and curfew extened ,an attempt to keep him of the streets yet the others ....head butters , drunk drivers and violent yobs get a fine to gradually pay, probably at some riddiculous rate of 50 p a week ! and a few meetings with some do gooder from the refferal unit to council you into behaving and no attempt to at least try to keep off them off the streets! ... I d rather bump into a boy out to nick my golf balls than get a head butt , beaten up or run over by a drunk child !

You need to have a license to have a TV..yet any tom, "dick" or harry can have kids! I know not all the youth of today are like this..but it does certainly seem that kids are getting more brazen about their antics. I remember when i was 13, i was up in youth court for receiving an eyeshadow that was stolen from the chemist, nowadays, these petty crimes are turning into things a lot more serious.

"head-butting a man in a park"

"driving a friend's car without permission after drinking 20 bottles of beer"

"A 12 yr old admitted assaulting his head teacher and another teacher at his school, kicking one and head-butting the other"

These kids are no longer "little scallywags" but are a danger to themselves and to society.

So...what are the government doing about it?

the owl wrote:
It was the teachers who were violent years ago in 1949 me and two other 14 year old boys got lost at Beaudesert school camp the teacher in charge of us Mr Anderson was like a madman when we got back, he broke a branch off a birch tree (I checked the tree out when I got older) he birched the three of us me first we got 3 strikes each about 30 spectators, one of the strikes also hit my left elbow which pained me for months still does now sometimes ,our crime we got lost on Cannock Chase .I wonder if anyone else on here has had it.

Yes in 1949,i was 14,and the headmaster was a Col Martyn,very violent, as was one at least exserviceman teacher.but we learned.

jonerja wrote:

beachcomber wrote:
And this in a relatively nice part of the UK. God alone knows what goes on in the worse areas.

You're joking!It's the back end of Britain with people to match, a dead end street.Pretentious, arrogant - all fur coat and no knickers. The crime rate is escalating as elsewhere in the country.It's no wonder people are emigrating in their thousands.Quality of life in Spain is superior, as it is elsewhere in Europe apart from Moldova - well, that tells you something!No hassle, better health care, better food - better everything - and certainly no no-go areas, especially at night or weekends with yobs running amok back home in your 'nice parts'.

quality of life in Spain ??? dont know where you go but ive had years of experience in Spain ,my parents had the very FIRST house ever built in torreviecca (which is now a city)and i can tell you it is just a chav council estate in the sun ,they are so much worse there than at home in the uk .if you think youngsters have nothing to do to keep them occupied in the uk - then multiply that problem by 5 in spain - the spanish despise this mob of idiots invading their country as much as we do with people coming here - only , our 'fresh out of Matalan crowd' are the absolute pits

jonerja wrote:

beachcomber wrote:
And this in a relatively nice part of the UK. God alone knows what goes on in the worse areas.

You're joking!It's the back end of Britain with people to match, a dead end street.Pretentious, arrogant - all fur coat and no knickers. The crime rate is escalating as elsewhere in the country.It's no wonder people are emigrating in their thousands.Quality of life in Spain is superior, as it is elsewhere in Europe apart from Moldova - well, that tells you something!No hassle, better health care, better food - better everything - and certainly no no-go areas, especially at night or weekends with yobs running amok back home in your 'nice parts'.

quality of life in Spain ??? dont know where you go but ive had years of experience in Spain ,my parents had the very FIRST house ever built in torreviecca (which is now a city)and i can tell you it is just a chav council estate in the sun ,they are so much worse there than at home in the uk .if you think youngsters have nothing to do to keep them occupied in the uk - then multiply that problem by 5 in spain - the spanish despise this mob of idiots invading their country as much as we do with people coming here - only , our 'fresh out of Matalan crowd' are the absolute pits

TJC wrote:

jonerja wrote:

beachcomber wrote:
And this in a relatively nice part of the UK. God alone knows what goes on in the worse areas.

You're joking!It's the back end of Britain with people to match, a dead end street.Pretentious, arrogant - all fur coat and no knickers. The crime rate is escalating as elsewhere in the country.It's no wonder people are emigrating in their thousands.Quality of life in Spain is superior, as it is elsewhere in Europe apart from Moldova - well, that tells you something!No hassle, better health care, better food - better everything - and certainly no no-go areas, especially at night or weekends with yobs running amok back home in your 'nice parts'.

quality of life in Spain ??? dont know where you go but ive had years of experience in Spain ,my parents had the very FIRST house ever built in torreviecca (which is now a city)and i can tell you it is just a chav council estate in the sun ,they are so much worse there than at home in the uk .if you think youngsters have nothing to do to keep them occupied in the uk - then multiply that problem by 5 in spain - the spanish despise this mob of idiots invading their country as much as we do with people coming here - only , our 'fresh out of Matalan crowd' are the absolute pits

No Dissing your parents TJC..as you said Torrevieja was probably lovely when they arrived there but unfortunately has become a bit of a pit, and that's probably thanks to us lot moving there!?

I travel Spain a lot, and have been to most parts..and never have i experienced a youth that is disrespectful. You can sit in a cafe, drinking quietly, there'll be a table of kids, also drinking quietly, not creating a scene, being cheeky, just acting like mature young people having a drink with their mates. The across the road, there'll be a bunch of lads waiting for a school bus, all dressed nicely, all behaving.

Maybe it's family values..i don't know.

In the cities of Spain, there are, like all over the world, streets that i wouldn't walk down alone, but on the whole...Spain is, as Jonjera said, a much nicer place for kids and the kids are much nicer...in general that is!

TJC is so right again unless the Basque separatist group Eta have called a ceasefire and stopped the bombings , about 4years ago a friend of mine was there in Madrid and somebody blew the train in half ,he had to run for his life; I asked him did you have a nice time yes he said ****ing marvelous.

I too was very impressed with the young people in Spain, as you say, even in groups out socialising and 'hanging around', they were all well-turned out and carried themselves with a pride and honourbility that no-doubt came from their families.
British teenagers just inherit the cynicism that comes from a system and a society that, despite the affluence and upward mobility that started in the Thatcher years is still, and increasingly so, unattainable..Those at the lower end of social spectrum who have grown up in benefit culture see a world where a well-paying job and a career are not realistic or desirable goals, and are engrained in poverty where the only ways out are street crime or benefit manipulation and fraud.
To all intents and purposes it takes someone of exceptional character and vision to break out of a sink estate on the outskirts of a british town - you might be lucky and get a good education and be able to move away and out of the toxic atmosphere of despair and disrespect, but such cases are rare.
Further up the class structure, kids of middle-income families are essentially abandoned by their parents who both have to work all the hours god sends to put the roof over their heads, and many of them have no choice, even after qualifying from a good university and getting a relatively well-paying job, to have to live with their parents into their 30's - something which stunts emotional growth and independence, or even when marrying or cohabiting have nowadays to earn 2 or 3 times as much in real terms for the equivalent housing and standard of living of 20 years ago.
What's the point ?
Young adults from across the socio-economic spectrum are looking at life in Britain and seeing very little to motivate them to have any respect for a society and system that puts them on the mills of career paths or a life on benefits, and quite frankly, they are right. Crime, drink and drugs are the only things that guarantee results in an ever tightening viscious circle where everyone is working harder, paying more, and being taxed more for an ever decreasing standard of life.
If I was 17, with 5 gcse's and no real prospect of getting off the council estate I had been brought up on, you bet I'd be pretty anti-social too, and so would you.

Yes Mike...totally agree! I think that a good idea would be this...our country needs a shake up of what causes all this angst, so i believe on a regular basis, the head of the UK should put their advisors out in the real world to live amongst us for a couple of months every so often, and they should keep a diary of the things they see, how they feel, and how much cash they have for their "quality of life". It's all very well living in nice suburbs with police protection, but they don't have to queue at the local Spar for a loaf of bread, or wait in the dark for a bus that's late with hoards of bored kids for company. They should be made to do a school run, then go on to work for a measly wage, that way, they'd have to fill out tax credit forms too. Then at the weekend, pop into town for a few pints. The real world is where these people need to be!

As you said Mike "If I was 17, with 5 gcse's and no real prospect of getting off the council estate I had been brought up on, you bet I'd be pretty anti-social too, and so would you."

Mike Pickering wrote:
I too was very impressed with the young people in Spain, as you say, even in groups out socialising and 'hanging around', they were all well-turned out and carried themselves with a pride and honourbility that no-doubt came from their families. British teenagers just inherit the cynicism that comes from a system and a society that, despite the affluence and upward mobility that started in the Thatcher years is still, and increasingly so, unattainable..Those at the lower end of social spectrum who have grown up in benefit culture see a world where a well-paying job and a career are not realistic or desirable goals, and are engrained in poverty where the only ways out are street crime or benefit manipulation and fraud. To all intents and purposes it takes someone of exceptional character and vision to break out of a sink estate on the outskirts of a british town - you might be lucky and get a good education and be able to move away and out of the toxic atmosphere of despair and disrespect, but such cases are rare. Further up the class structure, kids of middle-income families are essentially abandoned by their parents who both have to work all the hours god sends to put the roof over their heads, and many of them have no choice, even after qualifying from a good university and getting a relatively well-paying job, to have to live with their parents into their 30's - something which stunts emotional growth and independence, or even when marrying or cohabiting have nowadays to earn 2 or 3 times as much in real terms for the equivalent housing and standard of living of 20 years ago. What's the point ? Young adults from across the socio-economic spectrum are looking at life in Britain and seeing very little to motivate them to have any respect for a society and system that puts them on the mills of career paths or a life on benefits, and quite frankly, they are right. Crime, drink and drugs are the only things that guarantee results in an ever tightening viscious circle where everyone is working harder, paying more, and being taxed more for an ever decreasing standard of life. If I was 17, with 5 gcse's and no real prospect of getting off the council estate I had been brought up on, you bet I'd be pretty anti-social too, and so would you.

Perhaps the fact that the kids in Spain are in School from 8am-4pm every weekday, arent allowed to leave school until they have good grades, parents pay for their childrens books etc and the Guardia are all armed might have soemthing to do with it. But in this country we are fighting a nanny state. We cant have it both ways.

AH the Guardia Civil - legendarily scary semi-military police with semi-automatic weapons and short tempers..
I would just love to see a van full of them cruising around some of the areas that the bus won't go - I don't think that law and order would be quite the same problem..

Mike...that would be a sight for sore eyes!