Pagans suffer ritual abuse
10:56am Saturday 17th March 2007
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PAGANS in Dorset claim their growing popularity is making them a target for threats and abuse.
The Dolmen Grove, a Weymouth-based druid group, says a dead bird with a noose around its neck was left on the windscreen of its van.
Then nails were left under the wheels of the van the night after a music gig.
And the group says its 'peaceful religion' is being attacked by people who turn up at stone circle rituals and shout abuse. Chris Walsh, antique dealer and Arch Druid, said the problems started after pagan band The Dolmen played a gig in Weymouth.
"After they played one particular gig in Weymouth someone left a dead bird with a noose around its neck on the windscreen.
"They also typed the words 'Die Witches' on a piece of paper stuck to it.
"It is difficult to say who it was or whether it is organised in any way, but we were very shocked and saddened by it.
"Then someone put nails under the tyres of the van as it was parked in Radipole Lane, the night after they had played another gig.
"At our last ritual at Maumbury Rings a group of people came along to barrack us for no apparent reason.
"Let's face it, there are a lot of misconceptions people have about witches and pagans but we are a peaceful religion who don't want to bother anyone."
Mr Walsh says one reason for the problems may be the higher profile taken by the Dolmen Grove in the past year.
He says that the Dolmen Grove is given permission by the police for each of its services performed at holy sites around the county.
On March 24 the group will perform a 're-balancing' ritual for a 200-year-old tree cut back at Nine Stones in Winterbourne Abbas.
Mr Walsh said: "We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little. A few of the members don't want all the attention, which is understandable, and it might mean that people think we are easy targets.
"But we are a growing religion and the Dolmen Grove itself has 250 members. All we do is celebrate the forces of nature and carry on an ancient tradition, nothing sinister at all."
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Midnighter, Weymouth says...
12:35pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Let's face it, it all stems from the popular misconception that Pagans are all 'devil worshipping, animal sacrificing, naked moon dancers' .... all very colourful, but not very near the truth.
The Dolmen, says...
12:46pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Dolmen Grove as a pagan order was established 30 years ago. The Dolmen were formed to provide music at out gatherings only 12 years ago.
Within the Grove there are many Muscicians Authors Artist.
The Dolmen are not the founders of the Dolmen Grove.
Although The dolmen are a pagan band and it is the band That had the dead bird stuck on the windscreen after a gig.
This is only one thing that has happened over the years since we have been together.
We have come across all sorts of nurds and ignorant prats who think that pagans are an easy target for abuse.
Due to our peace loving attitude I guess.
But as we state on another thread we are british we have aright to practise our own British religion, it seems people dont like it and so do and say silly things.
Please ask questions for facts and not presume.
We always are willing to answer sensible questions.
wykewitch, Weymouth says...
12:47pm Sat 17 Mar 07
pete wrote:Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your "FACTS" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.
Mr Walsh said: \"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little.A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
12:54pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Why not go along and find out first hand what you are talking about.
You will be pleasantly surprised I assure you.
The music of THE DOLMEN is as different from 'pop music' as hiphop is from Mahler. It is all original, written by members of the band and quite unlike anything else around on the music scene today.
Judge for yourself.
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Midnighter, Weymouth says...
1:00pm Sat 17 Mar 07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cImlm3TlDiY
The Dolmen, Weymouth. says...
1:24pm Sat 17 Mar 07
And is open to any person who follows the old path.
Welcomes covens and Orders into the Grove and ask only one thing that your path be a foundation based on a love for the higher powers,love and good will to fellow humans and all life on this earth.
If any individual thinks this a wrong thing to ask we suggest they seek help.
Let it also be said that the Dolmen Grove has no leaders it has individuals who donate their time freely to organise things such as the charity events and the magazine called Dolmen Grove.
available from the Dolmen Grove web site or outlets in Weymouth and through out the country.
Dolmen Grove is a non profit organistaion and any course it may offer is given freely.
If any Witch Druid Pagan Heathen wishes to know more there is an online forum of which you are welcome to join,also membership to the Dolmen Grove is free.
Dolmen Grove believe spirituality cannot and should not be bought or sold.
Reinactment with a popgroup,
We are still musing on that one Pete.
dolmengrove.co.uk
thedolmen.com
Mistielle, Tincleton says...
2:49pm Sat 17 Mar 07
wyrdwych, Isle Of Wight says...
3:11pm Sat 17 Mar 07
The Dolmen, says...
3:35pm Sat 17 Mar 07
It will be loud with drums and pipes however peaceful and respective and the ritual that will be performed will be Pagan.
Calling for world peace. All so we wish to highlight that Stone Henge is a runner to be voted as one of the new 7 wonders of the world, we encourage everyone to visit the site and get voting because we are dropping further down the line.
mark, the Net says...
3:53pm Sat 17 Mar 07
ian, says...
3:54pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
4:28pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Never mind the truth eh.
As for "playing trick or treat" with us, well these imbeciles are not worth one moments worry as they are cowards who would never face us man to man, as they would be lost, physically, spiritually and cerebrally if they did so.
Ian : The reason for the drums and pipes is to awaken the spirits of the land and to produce energy for the ritual.
And let's face it at 5-30 am, we need all the wake up calls we can get. :)
ian, says...
4:43pm Sat 17 Mar 07
I can think of many things I could point out about Christianity that are truly hideous and evil, those banging on from the "Christian" perspective might want to bear that in mind?
The Dolmen, says...
4:44pm Sat 17 Mar 07
mark wrote:Whats halloween about the way we dress.
Perhaps it is because you all dress up like it is Hallowe'en that people want to play trick or treat with you.
We dress the way we wish like I am sure you do.
Halloweens is a pagan festival by the way have you ever celebrated it.
Are suggesting it is alright to abuse people because of the way they dress.Mark
Drums and pipes does create an atmosphere plus is very pagan.
Humans have done this for thousands of years.
Ellen, Weymouth says...
6:03pm Sat 17 Mar 07
The people I have met within both The Dolmen and The Dolmen Grove are some of the best nicest, sincerest and truly amazing people I have met. I cannot wait for the day when everyone is simply accepted for who they are.
B. Fields, Canada says...
7:22pm Sat 17 Mar 07
mark wrote:So, you're saying that the way people dress is a justifiable excuse for animal cruelty, vandalism, verbal abuse and harassment?
Perhaps it is because you all dress up like it is Hallowe'en that people want to play trick or treat with you.
bill, weymouth says...
8:12pm Sat 17 Mar 07
wykewitch wrote:Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.
pete wrote:Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your \\\\\\\"FACTS\\\\\\\" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.Mr Walsh said: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little.A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.
ravenqueen, dorset says...
8:13pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Tricia, dorset says...
8:43pm Sat 17 Mar 07
bill wrote:bill,i hear you are a small minded prat,but there you go,don't always believe everything you hear.
wykewitch wrote:Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.pete wrote:Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your \\\\\\\"FACTS\\\\\\\" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.Mr Walsh said: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little.A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.
It's hard to believe that in this day & age we still have witch hunts etc,maybe if people were a little more tolerant of others beliefs & ways of lives the world would be a much better place to live in.
Blessed be.
ytene darkwood, says...
8:55pm Sat 17 Mar 07
pete, bournemouth says...
8:58pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.
Bill, He's an antiques dealer, what do expect!
ytene darkwood, says...
9:00pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
9:05pm Sat 17 Mar 07
The Rev. Jasper Sparrowhawk, Yakima, WA (USA) says...
9:21pm Sat 17 Mar 07
I just found this news article at The Witches' Voice. I am sorry to here about your plight. Discrmination should never be tolerated. Especially, when harm is done through such actions as have been mentioned in the article.
Our organization (Church of the Sacred Moon)has suffered from discrimination as well. Fortunately it hasn't gotten as bad as what you are all going through.
We will support you in any way we can. I will post this article on our website and on MySpace to let everyone know what is happening.
Oh, and by the way... I love the music. It sounds wonderful. Don't let anyone tell you different. Blessed Be!
Brightest Blessings,
The Rev. Jasper Sparrowhawk
Church of the Sacred Moon
Yakima, WA (USA)
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Midnighter, Weymouth says...
9:41pm Sat 17 Mar 07
The band are gigging tonight, but I am sure they will be in touch soon.
wykewitch, Weymouth says...
10:00pm Sat 17 Mar 07
mark wrote:I have seen hen-nighters dressed as nuns, but I do not treat then as nuns because I understand the reason for the dress is different. A pagan dresses differently to help define the mundane from the spiritual. Do you ask Sikh men if theyve hurt their head each time you see them?
Perhaps it is because you all dress up like it is Hallowe\'en that people want to play trick or treat with you.
wykewitch, Weymouth says...
10:15pm Sat 17 Mar 07
ian wrote:Anyone taken by the moment can play ritual music. You need to be musician to be entertaining.
What is the significance of the playing of loud drums and pipes? Is thier a ritual reason or is it purely for entertaining reasons.
wykewitch, Weymouth says...
10:26pm Sat 17 Mar 07
bill wrote:I'd like to hear what you know on this matter. I, personally, need no credentials from Chris. He is kind and decent (dispite being an antiques dealer, and constantly persuading people to "say it with a chest of draws"... he has to earn money somehow) he gives his time freely to help others, he does charity work and is recognised and respected by other srch druids. Are there any better credentials than being recognised by your piers? What would be the point in falsely claiming to be an archdruid, which then takes up allot of time and money and earns you nothing? Please give proof and names of who is spreading these rumours.
wykewitch wrote:Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.pete wrote:Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your \\\\\\\"FACTS\\\\\\\" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.Mr Walsh said: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little.A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.
vulpine, durset says...
11:15pm Sat 17 Mar 07
But the points made are good. Tomorrow (Sunday) people will be putting on robes and gathering to honour their spiritual commitment. They will be treated with respect by their communities and this is how it should be for all.
wykewitch, Weymouth says...
11:38pm Sat 17 Mar 07
PW, says...
12:12am Sun 18 Mar 07
bill wrote:
wykewitch wrote:
pete wrote:
Does that help??
Moonlight, Weymouth says...
12:46am Sun 18 Mar 07
In keeping with family tradition, I wanted my baby son christened. The church refused to christen him, not because they couldn't fit it in, nor for any parish boundary reasons. I was told that no church in Weymouth would christen him, they all being part of the same team.
My son's crime against the church? His parents were not married!
Naming Ceremonies are far nicer ;)
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
12:51am Sun 18 Mar 07
The Dolmen, says...
2:39am Sun 18 Mar 07
Quote Bill
Now we all know who you are Bill,
You came on to the Dolmen Forum full of crap and you are doing the same here.
Why dont you give it a rest.You are boring and unimportant.
If you were anything other than a wind up you would have something constructive to say.
You were welcomed on to the Dolmen forum and treated with respect yet here you are a gain, why dont you put your web link in now so every one can see what it is you are into.
The Rev. Jasper Sparrowhawk
Church of the Sacred Moon
Yakima, WA (USA)
Thanks for your suport, as you can see there are some silly people who will do nothing in their lives but throw stones at peoples backs, and some people who by their stance and courage will contribute to bringing about a positive change in the way people are accepted for their beliefs.
Amy Justice, Newark says...
4:52am Sun 18 Mar 07
http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=white&id=1938
ian, says...
5:35am Sun 18 Mar 07
Moonlight wrote:Moonlight, I am grateful for your vanitation. You sound like a nice person with a lot on her mind? Go-to www.koenigma.com, drop me an e-Mail. I have all the time in the world .ask Midnighter?
Ian, your mention of those banging on from the \'Christian\' perspective reminded me of something that happened right here in Weymouth a few years ago. It changed my view of the established church forever.
In keeping with family tradition, I wanted my baby son christened. The church refused to christen him, not because they couldn\'t fit it in, nor for any parish boundary reasons. I was told that no church in Weymouth would christen him, they all being part of the same team.
My son\'s crime against the church? His parents were not married!
Naming Ceremonies are far nicer ;)
wykewitch, Weymouth says...
7:21am Sun 18 Mar 07
vulpine wrote:I hope you enjoy your day of veneration :) I'm off to get time and a half at work ;)
All these quotes within quotes within quotes are doinmeedin. But the points made are good. Tomorrow (Sunday) people will be putting on robes and gathering to honour their spiritual commitment. They will be treated with respect by their communities and this is how it should be for all.
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
9:17am Sun 18 Mar 07
Amy Justice wrote:Probably because it is such a rare phenomenon to find a vibrant, functioning religion that actually is peaceful.
Why was \"Peaceful religion\" in quotes? http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=white&id=1938
Christian Mission, England says...
10:59am Sun 18 Mar 07
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.
Common Sense Man, Dorset says...
11:42am Sun 18 Mar 07
misguided souls who need cleansing come and find Jesus there are church's open today come in and save your self's.
Common Sense Man, Dorset says...
11:42am Sun 18 Mar 07
misguided souls who need cleansing come and find Jesus there are church's open today come in and save your self's.
Moonlight, Weymouth says...
11:43am Sun 18 Mar 07
Christian Mission wrote:The Devil lurks within your soul if you feel the need to say such things and therein lies the danger.
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.
Christian Mission, England says...
11:56am Sun 18 Mar 07
There is only danger from those doing the Devil's work you don't realise what is going on here.
ian, says...
12:12pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Christian Mission wrote:Don't feed the TROLL !
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.
Moonlight, Weymouth says...
12:14pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Christian Mission wrote:I realise only too well that the peace-loving people are being persecuted by those who profess to be Christians and yet are the real ones doing the 'Devil's work'.
There is only danger from those doing the Devil's work you don't realise what is going on here.
Matthew Hopkins Society, says...
12:34pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Christian Mission wrote:"The Truth always herts".
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.
Is this what you told yourself during this mornings flagellation ?
If ever you need anyone to help expunge any wicked thoughts you've been having I'm always available . :-D
ian, says...
12:35pm Sun 18 Mar 07
The Dolmen, says...
12:59pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Your terminology reminds me greatly of that article, is it you again?
surely you are not still playing Witchfinder General.
Christian Mission England
we understand that people love agood debate, but this all has a few serious points that does deserve discussion on a basis where perhaps bridges can be built.
ian, says...
1:03pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Some here might get that one ?
pangurban, weymouth says...
1:26pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Christian Mission wrote:I was going to stay away from this as I thought there was enough to fight the good fight.
There is only danger from those doing the Devil's work you don't realise what is going on here.
Nah cant do it.
christian mission I was once like you and thought all that beleived things that did not fit my faith were doing the devils work, but where in the bible is intolerance shown as acceptable.I now no longer follow the faith I was brought up in and I am now a member of the Dolmen Grove. I can assure you we do not do the devils work in facct we do not beleive he exists. Instead of thinking you know what we do try asking and you may be enlightened.
Tim, Raleigh, NC USA says...
1:29pm Sun 18 Mar 07
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=442927&in_page_id=1770
Christian Mission, England says...
2:03pm Sun 18 Mar 07
You lost your way brother pangurban i can help you find it again.
The devil is in Dorset over the purbecks infesting the area of Swanage and then showing its ugly 'bold' head in Weymouth. The Devil has long been around this area in the form of a musician and i shall seek to expose him as such so BEWARE these people for they cause caos everywhere.
The Devil exists dont listen to them as they do his work.
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
2:15pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Christian Mission wrote:How did you ever get so afraid ?
You lost your way brother pangurban i can help you find it again. The devil is in Dorset over the purbecks infesting the area of Swanage and then showing its ugly 'bold' head in Weymouth. The Devil has long been around this area in the form of a musician and i shall seek to expose him as such so BEWARE these people for they cause caos everywhere. The Devil exists dont listen to them as they do his work.
How did you ever get such a twisted view of the superstitions invented by your own church.
And how can you be so hypocritical as to then burden us with those superstitions, people you have never met ?
Come and talk to us and we will heal you ......... with the truth.
Matthew Hopkins Society, says...
2:16pm Sun 18 Mar 07
ian, says...
2:28pm Sun 18 Mar 07
(Monty Python)
Matthew Hopkins Society, says...
2:53pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Matthew Hopkins Society, says...
3:25pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Matthew Hopkins Society wrote:Just in case that misfired, it wasn't intended with any real malice what so ever.
400 years! and when I find a rich vein of evil and iniquity what happens? Some do gooding missionary come flouncing in proffering warnings and salvation to repentant sinners. A good burnings whats needed and theres no two ways about it.
Moonlight, Weymouth says...
3:52pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Believe what you will, but please allow others their own beliefs without persecution, or don't call yourself a Christian.
Christian Mission, England says...
4:24pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I warn of the devil because i and others like me know of the dangers, i realise many of you have no idea of what i speak but if you did you would understand my actions.
The musical beast stirs once more, it is true we have clashed before many years ago and it saddens me that i need to return again.
I will say it is not my way to kill a bird or put nails in tyres i deal straight with the devil but i can see that some might vent there anger in this way but i cannot agree with it.
Pangurban i can help you can return your leaders grip on you can be broken
Lorraine, DORCHESTER says...
4:31pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
4:39pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Moonlight wrote:Let's get a few things straight here shall we.
Well 'Christian Mission' it seems you've totally missed your path to enlightment. Wandering around in the dark and bashing your head against brick walls often leads to such confusion and disorientation. Believe what you will, but please allow others their own beliefs without persecution, or don't call yourself a Christian.
Firstly, The Devil, Lucifer or what ever name you know him by, is purely an invention of the CHRISTIAN CHURCH. It is not recognised in Paganism.
Secondly, music is not inherrantly evil. The music played by THE DOLMEN is definitely not evil. You sound like one of those 1950s religious nutters warning about the evils of Elvis. Ergo, you sound deranged.
Thirdly and very importantly, there are NO LEADERS in The Dolmen Grove.
This crusade against the devil is an invention of your own diseased mind.
I hope that one day you seek and find a cure for your malady.
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
4:40pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Moonlight wrote:Let's get a few things straight here shall we.
Well 'Christian Mission' it seems you've totally missed your path to enlightment. Wandering around in the dark and bashing your head against brick walls often leads to such confusion and disorientation. Believe what you will, but please allow others their own beliefs without persecution, or don't call yourself a Christian.
Firstly, The Devil, Lucifer or what ever name you know him by, is purely an invention of the CHRISTIAN CHURCH. It is not recognised in Paganism.
Secondly, music is not inherrantly evil. The music played by THE DOLMEN is definitely not evil. You sound like one of those 1950s religious nutters warning about the evils of Elvis. Ergo, you sound deranged.
Thirdly and very importantly, there are NO LEADERS in The Dolmen Grove.
This crusade against the devil is an invention of your own diseased mind.
I hope that one day you seek and find a cure for your malady.
Matthew Hopkins Society, says...
4:56pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Matthew Hopkins soc you sure underestimate your prey as you will find out in due course if you pursue them.
I warn of the devil because i and others like me know of the dangers, i realise many of you have no idea of what i speak but if you did you would understand my actions.
Since you are so in earnest Christian Mission permit me to correct you. My intention is in no way to 'pursue' these people. My most recent quip was intended (although it may have misfired) to satirise the very notion.
You allude to dangers why don't you speak openly of them?
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
5:11pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Whilst we obviously recognise the humour in your posts and, believe it or not, enjoy it to a degree, it has to be asked, would you be prepared to go on to a muslim board and make jokes about innocent dead Iraqi civilians or a Christian board and make jokes about their executed martyrs ?
The poor deluded fool that is Christian Mission doesn't even realise that he is actually breaking the law of this land in his actions here on this forum by persecuting pagans and, as far as dubbing the lead singer of The Dolmen as The Devil goes, well in that case, I for one hereby decree that I give full alleigence to that devil , as a friend whom I would trust with my life, even in the relatively short time I have known him.
In fact Christian Mission, I would be prepared to meet with you so that you could try to turn me away from him on a one to one basis.
How far does your faith take you ?
Liz, Dorset says...
5:16pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Christian Mission, England says...
5:33pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I warn of something most of you are to scared to confront i am used to this type of reaction.
The Pagan masters here in Dorset have been unoticed for to long they have built there nests well, but now they are found out.
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
5:44pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Let's discuss this man to man.
Yes ??
Moonlight, says...
5:45pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Christian Mission wrote:Found out in what way? Why don't you just say and be done with? This is clearly preying on your mind and perhaps the release of it may help you.
Often misunderstood by my fellow christians i am not a religious nutter believe me many people know of our work we believe in our faith, we do not just bring it out out on sundays or on social occasion it is real, it is active.
I warn of something most of you are to scared to confront i am used to this type of reaction.
The Pagan masters here in Dorset have been unoticed for to long they have built there nests well, but now they are found out.
Matthew Hopkins Society, says...
5:55pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Whilst we obviously recognise the humour in your posts and, believe it or not, enjoy it to a degree, it has to be asked, would you be prepared to go on to a muslim board and make jokes about innocent dead Iraqi civilians or a Christian board and make jokes about their executed martyrs ?
Midnighter, Glad youve enjoyed some of my remarks, although its obvious that youre not entirely comfortable with it. This is an open non-denominational comments board where I have in fact largely joked about the reception you receive rather than having made jokes about you. Visiting a denominational notice , board be it Pagan, Christian etc to direct jokes at the membership is not something I'd countenance.
Morgaine, some weird place says...
7:08pm Sun 18 Mar 07
It would be good if you christian fanatics would behave in the same way! and get your facts straight before trying to cause trouble, if you only realised how ridiculous you sound to ordinary intelligent people out there ,
Dove, Weymouth says...
8:07pm Sun 18 Mar 07
The people who go around hanging birds from vans aren't the sorts that would take the time to post their thoughts on here, as I think they're thoughtless.
PW, says...
8:40pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Oops now Ive let the cat out of the bag. The Echo Editor is going to be kicking himself for letting this one through.
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
8:43pm Sun 18 Mar 07
wykewitch, Weymouth says...
8:47pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Christian mission is extreme. I find it funny that when other Christians tell him he goes too far he makes a put down about himself worships more than just on Sundays! :D SO Christians who do not wish to label other religions as devil worshipers as Christian Mission does are just not Christian enough! :D LOL He is funny isnt he?
Common Sense Man, Dorset says...
9:16pm Sun 18 Mar 07
killing a bird no
nails in wheels no
but tell you are totally misguided and like something out of a pantomine yes
If you dont like it well it's a tuff life
learn to take a few knocks and dont take your selves so seriouasly.
Dove, Weymouth says...
9:18pm Sun 18 Mar 07
The Dolmen Grove are who they say they are and are NOT as you suggest 'Christian Mission' or 'Ordinary bloke' looking for publicity. I know them and can assure you that they are genuine and normal people, without stooping to pretending to be anyone else. (Forgive me if I'm wrong in what you're suggesting) They're just genuine and ready to answer anything that you ask them in person.
mark, the Net says...
9:19pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Comments on here are interesting, sometimes witty, and although we don't always agree, aren't we lucky to be allowed to speak freely, without fear of being thrown into jail.
Dove, I salute you - you seem to be one of the few people that have commented here that realise that we have freedom of speech in this country and whether we agree with what has been said we MUST have that right to be able to say what we feel.
I am neither for or against any religion but I do feel that those 'Pagans' that have commented here are not able to see things from any point of view other than their own. (but that also goes for 'Christian Mission' who seems to be the least christian of all people that have commented here).
And I have to say that Midnighter - you are one of the most pompous and naïve people I have ever come across. it is time you got of your high horse and respect other people as well!
Moonlight, Weymouth says...
9:22pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Common Sense Man - life is a stage and each must play their part, so which part is yours in what you term a 'pantomime'?
:)
Moonlight, Weymouth says...
9:26pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Mark, the Neth says...
9:32pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Midnighter is not like that. Perhaps a good look in the mirror might serve you well and maybe you will find what you're looking for there
see that is exactly what I mean about how pompous you are!
Dove, Weymouth says...
9:35pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Sorry to preach, I really do still respect and enjoy everyone one here.
I like Mark most though, as he's been the nicest, so there!
Gypsy, weymotuh says...
9:45pm Sun 18 Mar 07
the devil roaming the purbeck hills in the guise of a folk musician
No offence meant with this but why would the devil be masquerading as a folk musician in Dorset? I love Dorset and folk musicians they are great but not really that central to humanity....
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
9:57pm Sun 18 Mar 07
mark wrote:Mark. As you say, you have the 'freedom' to say whatever you like online and your summing up of me should certainly be no exception.
Comments on here are interesting, sometimes witty, and although we don't always agree, aren't we lucky to be allowed to speak freely, without fear of being thrown into jail.Dove, I salute you - you seem to be one of the few people that have commented here that realise that we have freedom of speech in this country and whether we agree with what has been said we MUST have that right to be able to say what we feel. I am neither for or against any religion but I do feel that those 'Pagans' that have commented here are not able to see things from any point of view other than their own. (but that also goes for 'Christian Mission' who seems to be the least christian of all people that have commented here). And I have to say that Midnighter - you are one of the most pompous and naïve people I have ever come across. it is time you got of your high horse and respect other people as well!
Just as long as you don't expect me to lose too much sleep over it.
Have a nice day at the council offices tomorrow won't you, but try not to spend too much time bickering with folk on here when you should be working, there's a good boy. ;-)
Moonlight, Weymouth says...
10:14pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Mark wrote:Now where did you say that I was pompous? I must have missed it.
Midnighter is not like that. Perhaps a good look in the mirror might serve you well and maybe you will find what you\'re looking for there
see that is exactly what I mean about how pompous you are!
Like I said, Midnighter is not like that and I can say that because I've known him for quite some time. How about you? :)
Grim, Dorset says...
11:19pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Free speach is is very welcome and our comments are one sided because we are trying to address comments that are misleading about our practice and religion and feel we have to defend ourselves. I personaly believe that what is right for me isn't right for every body and I respect all other views as being the choice of the indevidual.
But I ask that you repect my views and belief's rather than trying to impose beliefs I dont agree with on me.
I to dont believe in the Devil and the music of the Dolmen is in respect of Nature and this planet.Long may they be enjoyed by people who want to hear them.
Blessings to them.
G.
ian, says...
11:46pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Dove, I'll vouch for that, you are talking about a man who tried to hang himself in a portaloo...only to sit in the dark behind me laughing his backside off when I ripped the door off to find nothing but a overflowing poo-pot and little else. Funny so and so.
Still got to get him back for that one ;-)
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
7:32am Mon 19 Mar 07
ian, says...
10:08am Mon 19 Mar 07
pangurban, weymouth says...
10:13am Mon 19 Mar 07
But free speech dosen't meen that you can say what you want regardless. Free speech comes with resposibilitys so someone is free to dissagree with me but to do so with intolerance and insults is not acceptable.
The sad thing today is that people know all their rights but ignore their responsibilities
pangurban, weymouth says...
10:22am Mon 19 Mar 07
Common Sense Man wrote:common sense would you tell a bishop done up in all his paraphenalia he was like something out of a pantomime? Why should anyone following their personal religion learn to take a few knocks surely it is none of your business what I do.What if I am totaly misguided as you say why are you so offended that you need to use insults. Do I tell you that you must beleive as I do so please give me and others the same courtesy.
Back to the article killing a bird no nails in wheels no but tell you are totally misguided and like something out of a pantomine yes If you dont like it well it's a tuff life learn to take a few knocks and dont take your selves so seriouasly.
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
11:20am Mon 19 Mar 07
Oberon, weymouth says...
1:42pm Mon 19 Mar 07
But it does seem that everytime a viewpoint is given that contradicts the ideas of the Pagans that the Pagans shout 'persecution'.
Paranoia or Persecution complex perhaps?
It is a shame because your message has been lost because of your intolerance to other viewpoints.
Live and let live I say. We are all brothers and sisters under the sun.
Pax Vobiscum!
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
1:59pm Mon 19 Mar 07
If wanton vandalism, desecration of an animal, defimation of the character of a good man and threats to kill aren't worthy of the term 'persecution', then I have to ask you to explain to us all, what is ?
And all this done because we are not christians.
We're not paranoid, we're bloody furious.
pangurban, says...
2:40pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Oberon wrote:Insert christian for pagan in your post it woks just as well.If you read back through the posts it is pagans defending thereselves against intloerance. If you want an example of paranoia read christian missions posts.
A very interesting thread! But it does seem that everytime a viewpoint is given that contradicts the ideas of the Pagans that the Pagans shout 'persecution'. Paranoia or Persecution complex perhaps? It is a shame because your message has been lost because of your intolerance to other viewpoints. Live and let live I say. We are all brothers and sisters under the sun. Pax Vobiscum!
Cathy, SLC, Utah says...
2:47pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Christian Mission wrote:'Prey'? Hey, that's not fair, we haven't been 'prey' in centuries. Man, I miss the days of the Roman colloseum (pre-Constantine).
Matthew Hopkins soc you sure underestimate your prey as you will find out in due course if you pursue them. I warn of the devil because i and others like me know of the dangers, i realise many of you have no idea of what i speak but if you did you would understand my actions. The musical beast stirs once more, it is true we have clashed before many years ago and it saddens me that i need to return again. I will say it is not my way to kill a bird or put nails in tyres i deal straight with the devil but i can see that some might vent there anger in this way but i cannot agree with it. Pangurban i can help you can return your leaders grip on you can be broken
SOPHIE, says...
3:18pm Mon 19 Mar 07
sophie, says...
3:41pm Mon 19 Mar 07
The Dolmen, Weymouth says...
4:02pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Look at the first post on this thread.
Written from complete ignorance without a care for what the issue is about.
Would you say that was a constructive view point or was it just thrown in to cause a row.
Look at christian mission or common sense man what is their point of view.
Why the insults about the archdruid whats he ever done to these people, oh yes of course he is an Antique dealer.
What happens on forums as such somebody states a view someone else will either agree or disagree another may broaden upon it someone else may slag it.
So far the arch druid has been condemned because he is a antique dealer the Dolmen grove have been classed a reinactment group with a pop group.
all pagans have been called devil worshippers, Oberon you your self have pointed out that you believe we cry persecution just because we dont agree with someones view.
Are we not suposed to say anything back, is this not like the witch trial, drown and you are innocent live and you are guilty.
Being pagan for decades you cant even imagine how many insults we have recieved, and yet seldom made an issue over it.as not to fuel the ego of sicko's by seeing their work in the paper.
Unless these things are happening to you, its not taken serious.
We hope that if you posters and your familys are ever unluky enough to be unjustly victimised or persecuted, you will recieve the same understanding that you give here when trying to state your case.
At the end of the day
we are the sons and daughters of this Country,we pass down through our family line knowledge that will keep our culture and customs alive we follow a belief of which was and still is the foundation of this land.
Whether people like it or not whether people are so far detached from their ancient heritage that they see us as freaks or devils,We will continue to do so,
The Stag horns will march on the festivals as they have
for Thousands of years.
Long live the Horned God and Goddess and our very own pagan Morris dancers, who we pray that each Beltane will awake the Earth Goddess and our summers be beautiful.
at Samhane lets remember our lost family and friends and toast their memory as we begin a new year.
At Yule we will celebrate the Winter solstice and will bring into our homes a Tree, the tradition of the Greenman and the promise of spring.
And by the way
At present We are out asking the people of britain to vote for Stone Henge in the coming election for the new 7 wonders.
I wonder how many of you have voted for one of Britains oldest monuments one of this countrys oldest Temples?
If you have not please do so there will only be the one chance.
Blessings to all who took the time to comment on here for good or bad what is to be achieved will be achieved.
Till we meet again.
The Dolmen
Oberon, Weymouth says...
4:35pm Mon 19 Mar 07
I wonder how many of you have voted for one of Britains oldest monuments one of this countrys oldest Temples?
How do you know it was a temple? In my humble opinion it is far more likely to be a solar and lunar observatory - but basically there is no proof either way.
And as far as it being one of the oldest monuments you need to do some research as Avebury (which is far larger) predates Stonehenge by several millennia.
And yes, you are entitles to reply to any comments posted here but to continually cry 'persecution' is very tiresome and does your cause no good. I am sure you have a very valid message to give but try using enlightened persuasion instead of merely trying to shout people down (and yes - using is equivalent to shouting when used within e-media)
The Dolmen, says...
5:41pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Oberon wrote:We are not so up tight Oberon,just pointing out the manner in which this thread kicked off.
As far as the first post is concerned it is merely a point of view (however naïve it may be) so don't get so uptight about it.I wonder how many of you have voted for one of Britains oldest monuments one of this countrys oldest Temples?How do you know it was a temple? In my humble opinion it is far more likely to be a solar and lunar observatory - but basically there is no proof either way. And as far as it being one of the oldest monuments you need to do some research as Avebury (which is far larger) predates Stonehenge by several millennia. And yes, you are entitles to reply to any comments posted here but to continually cry 'persecution' is very tiresome and does your cause no good. I am sure you have a very valid message to give but try using enlightened persuasion instead of merely trying to shout people down (and yes - using is equivalent to shouting when used within e-media)
going back and reading our reply I cant see that we were nasty or unfair,
One of the oldest Monuments means what we say one of, not the oldest, read the post correctly.
your view about the use of Stone Henge is up to you.
However you should consider the historicle fact that nomatter what it was built for it has been used as a temple and still is.
This topic is about the persecution of pagans thats why the term has been used.
You may find it tiresome but then you have the choice not to read or comment on this thread about the persecution of pagans.
Can you please show the post where we The Dolmen have shouted someone down.
other than Portland Bill who is well known to us.
We appreciate your trying to offer advise
on how to deal with as you ternm naive post thanks for taking the time to share your oppinions of interpretation with us all.
pete, bournemouth says...
6:25pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Ooh I feel so naive. I've been humbled under the tutelage of this most edifying and worldly discourse...ahem.
oberon, Weymouth says...
6:30pm Mon 19 Mar 07
rant rant rave.
as I said before please come up with a reasoned or enlightened response.
you have now just become very very boring
pete, bournemouth says...
7:44pm Mon 19 Mar 07
rant rant rave."
As a matter of fact Your Fairyness, that's been my impression of most of the contributions on this thread too. Hardly what I'd call 'interesting' as you described it. One if not the only interesting contribution having been your own about the status of Stonehenge.
"as I said before please come up with a reasoned or enlightened response."
Where did you say that before?
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
7:49pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Oberon, you wouldn't know a reasoned response if it jumped up and snogged you.
Kindly crawl back into the ether if you're not prepared to read the whole thread.
Having done so, you would have realised where those attacking and talking crap were really eminating from .... and it wasn't the pagan camp.
Passing observation, says...
10:01pm Mon 19 Mar 07
Well I dont suppose anyone else is going to very pleased when they find out about it are they.
Hedgewizard, Dorset says...
9:59am Tue 20 Mar 07
ian wrote:It's a hat for goodness sake...
Christian Mission wrote:Don't feed the TROLL !
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.
Hedgewizard, Dorset says...
10:01am Tue 20 Mar 07
Christian Mission wrote:Look - it's still only a hat
You lost your way brother pangurban i can help you find it again.
The devil is in Dorset over the purbecks infesting the area of Swanage and then showing its ugly 'bold' head in Weymouth. The Devil has long been around this area in the form of a musician and i shall seek to expose him as such so BEWARE these people for they cause caos everywhere.
The Devil exists dont listen to them as they do his work.
Jon, Portland says...
10:39am Tue 20 Mar 07
PW, says...
11:56am Tue 20 Mar 07
Wow. Money can't buy this kind of publicity. I hope the idiots out to harras you will be happy to know they've atually helped publicise your cause. Lol
Jon, Lets not overlook the assistance provided by the occasional 'straw man'
The Dolmen, weymouth says...
12:17pm Tue 20 Mar 07
at present there is an estimated 200 in the processesion and we ask that full respect is given to the stones any rubish is picked up and removed even if it is not your own, our gathering is peaceful and for worship not a drinks party.
Although we know that you do not need telling we put this on here for those who wish to accompany us on this gathering.
All the best to you on the morrow,hope you have an enjoyable and spiritual time.
If the usual antagonist are there please do not be goaded in to conflict.
becca, weymouth says...
12:34pm Tue 20 Mar 07
i just dont believe the hype.
lets hope they've given the police the evidence so they can catch the culprits, if any!!!!!
PW, says...
12:41pm Tue 20 Mar 07
The Dolmen, says...
12:48pm Tue 20 Mar 07
We take it you wont be with us on this one then?
Love and peace
The Dolmen, says...
12:58pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Its not as if its personal is it?
After all there are many articles that cover many situations, as it happens we never asked or reported this to be published it was posted on another forum and the echo covered it.
So whats your grief perhaps you can share it with us and if you think that there are strawmen how do you know Becca is not one?
Midnighter, Weymouth says...
1:19pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Jon wrote:Tis so true Jon. New people are flocking to our banner. Our forum count has grown considerably.
Wow. Money can't buy this kind of publicity. I hope the idiots out to harras you will be happy to know they've atually helped publicise your cause. Lol. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid people are.
Cheers Christians !!
It's good of you. ;-)
becca, weymouth says...
5:03pm Tue 20 Mar 07
i was born and bred into the druid community from a family of several generations of druids and i have to say that i do not recognise you at all. were you at the spring equinox last year at stonehenge, i know i was and i didn't see you there!!!!!
as for my spirit or spirits, at least i can say i have been guided in the right direction and it suits me fine. cu there!!!
ps. what did the plice say?
Simon, Dorchester says...
5:55pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Midnighter wrote:Quite right! Who has ever heard of a pagan hanging a chicken from a church door? Not the sort of behaviour I would advocate from any religion or system of belief.
Amy Justice wrote: Why was \"Peaceful religion\" in quotes? http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=white&id=1938Probably because it is such a rare phenomenon to find a vibrant, functioning religion that actually is peaceful.
Keep the peace brothers and sisters.
The Dolmen, weymouth says...
6:07pm Tue 20 Mar 07
And yes we are always at Stone Henge unless we are at another Place.
As you can see from our website it was us that gathered at Stone Henge to bring attention to the New 7 Wonders project, Were you there and if so that means you would know Arch Druid of Stone Henge and Glastonbury Rollo Maufling, we have worked together for over 20 years.
Hence you would have seen him conduct the rite at the henge last spring who do you think was with him??
Perhaps you have got your wires crossed,
We have members and friends who are Druids from cornwall perhaps you would like to share with us the order you are from down there.
Is it the events we organise that you are opposed to?
Cause yes we do advertise publicly to let people know.
As you have read above we did not print this affair with the bird it was picked up off a forum.
It is one of many acts that The dolmen have experienced,and true enough we do keep all poison email just incase things get out of hand.
The police are respectfully informed of all activities and needed information.
Could you please say exactly what it is we are doing that makes you call us charlatans,
As this would at least be a start.
The Dolmen, weymouth says...
6:08pm Tue 20 Mar 07
And yes we are always at Stone Henge unless we are at another Place.
As you can see from our website it was us that gathered at Stone Henge to bring attention to the New 7 Wonders project, Were you there and if so that means you would know Arch Druid of Stone Henge and Glastonbury Rollo Maufling, we have worked together for over 20 years.
Hence you would have seen him conduct the rite at the henge last spring who do you think was with him??
Perhaps you have got your wires crossed,
We have members and friends who are Druids from cornwall perhaps you would like to share with us the order you are from down there.
Is it the events we organise that you are opposed to?
Cause yes we do advertise publicly to let people know.
As you have read above we did not print this affair with the bird it was picked up off a forum.
It is one of many acts that The dolmen have experienced,and true enough we do keep all poison email just incase things get out of hand.
The police are respectfully informed of all activities and needed information.
Could you please say exactly what it is we are doing that makes you call us charlatans,
As this would at least be a start.
becca, weymouth says...
6:51pm Tue 20 Mar 07
and if you want to play the name-dropping game, i can tell you i have worked wih rollo for 32 years, a lot longer than you (nah)!!
it is you, your group and other media-hungry individuals who do indeed bring the ancient ones into disrepute. any 'balancing' you've 'apparently' performed will just mean more work for those who really care, away from the eye of a camera.
The Dolmen, weymouth says...
7:33pm Tue 20 Mar 07
C'mon surely you dont condemn people because they are in the media,
A few faces appeared in an article about an old treasured Tree and suddenly you condemn a whole mass of people as charlatans.
What was wrong in letting the many pagans in this area know that the old beech tree was coming down.
We have had a very positive responce from many people not just pagans who loved that old tree.
By the way Mentioning Rollo is hardly name dropping you had said you never heard of us, and so we mentioned a well known friend who you would know, to establish that we have been around for some time.If as you say you have worked with him for so long phone him he knows us and our work well.
We are very suprised by your mentioning that you will be at the Henge tomorrow because there will be many cameras and media.
Can you tell us where in any Dolmen post you have been insulted?
What are the answers you seek.
we can understand that there are many pagans who wish to stay hidden, but you must accept times are changing and if paganism is to be accepted as equal to other faiths Orders and oraganisations Like the Coranieid, CoA,OBOD,Dolmen Grove,Pagan Federation, etc will push for acceptance, many pagans have been suported in many ways including leagal by these organisations..
Just because you choose not to be apart of these organisations does not mean they are charlatans.
Look at the good these people do the many charities they are involved with.
If you know Rollo you know us and yet you say you have never heard of us?.
When you say group are you referring to The Dolmen as a band.
Because there will always be **** from other bands etc...We hope this is not what your about.
Taloch and members of the band will be at the henge tomorrow like they always are and they will be with Rollo as they have always been.
I think you will find The Dolmen as a band dont need to seek the media attention the way you put it.
And for your info Taloch is a Witch not a Druid.
Who did you say was the order of which you spring Becca.
janie, upwey says...
7:42pm Tue 20 Mar 07
Passing observation wrote:Rollo Maughfling and a few of his other friends perhaps?
Oh dear, I wonder whats been going on here? It looks like someone has been digging themselves a very big hole and then thrown the remains of a burnt bridge in after.
Well I dont suppose anyone else is going to very pleased when they find out about it are they.
The Dolmen, weymouths says...
3:00am Wed 21 Mar 07
janie wrote:Why?
Passing observation wrote: Oh dear, I wonder whats been going on here? It looks like someone has been digging themselves a very big hole and then thrown the remains of a burnt bridge in after. Well I dont suppose anyone else is going to very pleased when they find out about it are they.Rollo Maughfling and a few of his other friends perhaps?
wykewitch, Weymouth says...
12:02pm Wed 21 Mar 07
becca wrote:Becca,
i believe you have confused the word aggressive with exhaustive. this is why i say \\\'charlatans\\\' for it is you that has given no anwers, just insults!!! and if you want to play the name-dropping game, i can tell you i have worked wih rollo for 32 years, a lot longer than you (nah)!! it is you, your group and other media-hungry individuals who do indeed bring the ancient ones into disrepute. any \\\'balancing\\\' you\\\'ve \\\'apparently\\\' performed will just mean more work for those who really care, away from the eye of a camera.
1) You think you've been insulted: YOU called us all (over 200 of us) charlatans.
2) We have a media presence to take the fear of the unknown from the public perception of our practices. Many among our ranks still chose to practice in secret.
3) Do you think bickering amongst the pagan community in public helps anyone? Why not stir things up on our forum at www.thedolmen.com? We like a little challenging now and then. :)
4) Do you have any idea who keeps leaving non biodegradable offerings at nine stones?
5) We've not yet performed our balancing ritual. Why not join us at nine stones and show us how it "should" be done?! We would welcome you.
wykewitch, Weymouth says...
12:42pm Wed 21 Mar 07
Wich one is you Becca?
Midnighter, Right behind you ! says...
4:08pm Wed 21 Mar 07
wykewitch, Weymouth says...
4:16pm Wed 21 Mar 07
janie wrote:We saw Rollo today. He was very happy to see us, and had no issues with anything we are doing. Is there any issues you waqnt to bring up Janie?
Passing observation wrote: Oh dear, I wonder whats been going on here? It looks like someone has been digging themselves a very big hole and then thrown the remains of a burnt bridge in after. Well I dont suppose anyone else is going to very pleased when they find out about it are they.Rollo Maughfling and a few of his other friends perhaps?
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pete, bournemouth says...
12:30pm Sat 17 Mar 07
A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.