V Club knife attack: "The staff did nothing to help" (From Thisisdorset)

Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

Agree poor guy but this seems a bit one sided , it was probably a busy dance floor so how much did they see and there is no time line so were they aware want this guy had actually done ?

Probably find that if they have caught the thug that did this, he will receive a lesser sentence than Chris Huhne will for getting his wife to take his speeding points.

Why does anyone need to carry a knife?
The only reason is to seriously injure or kill someone.
Hopefully the person they released on bail is the culprit and he'll be sent down with a punishment that fits the crime.
However, knowing justice as it is, the nutter will be back amongst us within a couple of years.

Seems like the club is getting blamed more than the actual guy with the knife!? A lot of this article is just hear say, there are two sides to every story.

All night clubs should have airport style detectors compulsory fitted. Also good old style bouncers should be brought back. The trouble nowadays these door people are only allowed to use 'reasonable force' When I used to go nightclubbing if you caused trouble you were physically thrown out. As for nightclubs that turn a blind eye to trouble on a regular basis licenses should be withdrawn and the club closed down then maybe the owners would be more on the ball.

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

Agree poor guy but this seems a bit one sided , it was probably a busy dance floor so how much did they see and there is no time line so were they aware want this guy had actually done ?

I see your point, in such a panicked situation it can be pretty confusing. If it's the case that bouncers didn't intervene or haven't got appropriate training to deal with these situations then maybe this month will provide them with the time needed to get everything in order.

I guess we won't know until the licensing review although V seem pretty confident they know which way that's going - they're already advertising their relaunch party online!

Horrific wound, whoever did this needs locking away for a very long time. Perhaps he would learn even faster if the exact injury was inflicted right across his own face.

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon! It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

I worked at the Cage yrs ago when I was studying. Somehow they let in pretty much the whole zulu warriors Birmingham hooligans.
.
Bot the door staff and Police did nothing when they kicked off outside after.Even the Police just blocked of the road and let them get on with it knowing there were plenty of innocent people caught up in it.

I note how the Police only 'believe' that the club is used for serious crime. No evidence to back their claims up. It seems they are more interested in getting one over on Mr Carr than throwing the book at the cowardly yob with the knife. Slapped wrist, with the usual excuse of poor upbringing and regretful for what happened to enable a pathetic sentence of 2 or 3 years. Chuck him in a hell hole and let him rot for 20 years and then lets see who is brave enough to carry a knife is they know thats what they will get for carrying one!

HRH of Boscombe wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon! It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

I worked at the Cage yrs ago when I was studying. Somehow they let in pretty much the whole zulu warriors Birmingham hooligans.
.
Bot the door staff and Police did nothing when they kicked off outside after.Even the Police just blocked of the road and let them get on with it knowing there were plenty of innocent people caught up in it.

The fact that the police and door staff haven't intervened doesn't make it carte blanche for that to always happen.

When I go into town it's not unreasonable to expect to be kept as safe as I can be whilst I'm out. I've never had any trouble, never been in a fight, never created any sort of anti social problems while drunk but if there's a madman with a knife who happens to be near me I should be left to be stabbed?
That doesn't really sit too well with me.

Bournemouth has got a Purple Flag for it's nightlife and makes a lot of money out of clubbers every week. People won't come into town if they won't be safe and it's the job of the police, the licensing committee and the door staff to make sure it is safe.

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

Agree poor guy but this seems a bit one sided , it was probably a busy dance floor so how much did they see and there is no time line so were they aware want this guy had actually done ?

I see your point, in such a panicked situation it can be pretty confusing. If it's the case that bouncers didn't intervene or haven't got appropriate training to deal with these situations then maybe this month will provide them with the time needed to get everything in order.

I guess we won't know until the licensing review although V seem pretty confident they know which way that's going - they're already advertising their relaunch party online!

As you say it was probably a confused and dark situation , do you think a bouncer is going to just stand and watch this kicking off in front of him ?
Perhaps Mr CARR is penny pinching on a bare minimum staffing level ?

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

Agree poor guy but this seems a bit one sided , it was probably a busy dance floor so how much did they see and there is no time line so were they aware want this guy had actually done ?

I see your point, in such a panicked situation it can be pretty confusing. If it's the case that bouncers didn't intervene or haven't got appropriate training to deal with these situations then maybe this month will provide them with the time needed to get everything in order.

I guess we won't know until the licensing review although V seem pretty confident they know which way that's going - they're already advertising their relaunch party online!

As you say it was probably a confused and dark situation , do you think a bouncer is going to just stand and watch this kicking off in front of him ?
Perhaps Mr CARR is penny pinching on a bare minimum staffing level ?

Well there was a bouncer on the first thread about this who said that bouncers aren't paid enough to intervene when someone has a knife and detain them until the police come. So I do think there's a possibility they wouldn't intervene because obviously some door staff hold the view of why should they? I'd like to think however that they're few and far between and I'm pretty sure they are because most of the door staff I've met (whilst out and as friends) have always taken their job seriously and cared about protecting people's safety.

There are two things I noticed about V. First, the good is the actual club. Good location, best sound system in B'mouth (Funktion One speakers) and good atmosphere (they try to replicate a London-style clubbing scene). Second, the bad:
1. The music (same commercial pop/dance and commercial hiphop/rnb that you hear on the radio) with some exceptions (ferry corsten etc). They could go a lot more underground/house (soulful genres such as soulful house, deep house, soul, funky and classic house or even tech-house, techno, minimal.. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places)
2. The attendance (that mainly comes for the commercial c**p). I have never seen anywhere in Bournemouth a club more overrun with middle-eastern people. And I don't want to sound racist as I believe there are plenty of great people from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, india, Pakistan and so on. But from what I've seen in "V", only the low-lives tend to go there (exceptions apply) that jump at you for even dancing too close to them or act like they own the club while wearing Primark last season's clothes (cause they were on promotion). I went there with some girl colleagues one night... I have never seen more people swarming around like sharks (I could have documented it video-wise and send it to Animal Planet as it was similar to what Great White shark do when assaulting seals.. but anyway) plus all the "cool" heads that are in a club just so they can tell their friends the next day that they went to "V". This is the type of crowd that makes these brawls and it's because of all these reasons that this happened. What I wish for is the culprit do be sentenced to many years in prison and hopefully raped by Bubba the Bum Basher.

To put it simple, change the music policy and you will see a change in the people that go in. You will see people that don't go to a club to fight, but to hear music and have a good time (and spend more money at the bar as well).

On the other hand, it is partly the bouncers' fault as well, because when a brawl starts you need to immobilise the culprits and either retain them until police comes or throw them out, not panic like civilians (it's their job to keep trouble makers out).

And legalize ecstacy while you're at it too. Job done.

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

Agree poor guy but this seems a bit one sided , it was probably a busy dance floor so how much did they see and there is no time line so were they aware want this guy had actually done ?

I see your point, in such a panicked situation it can be pretty confusing. If it's the case that bouncers didn't intervene or haven't got appropriate training to deal with these situations then maybe this month will provide them with the time needed to get everything in order.

I guess we won't know until the licensing review although V seem pretty confident they know which way that's going - they're already advertising their relaunch party online!

As you say it was probably a confused and dark situation , do you think a bouncer is going to just stand and watch this kicking off in front of him ?
Perhaps Mr CARR is penny pinching on a bare minimum staffing level ?

Well there was a bouncer on the first thread about this who said that bouncers aren't paid enough to intervene when someone has a knife and detain them until the police come. So I do think there's a possibility they wouldn't intervene because obviously some door staff hold the view of why should they? I'd like to think however that they're few and far between and I'm pretty sure they are because most of the door staff I've met (whilst out and as friends) have always taken their job seriously and cared about protecting people's safety.

why should security intervene because they think why should they as they are not paid enough??? so they just go to work with it in there heads they'll just stand there and "look good"? problem with this society is it hasn't got a backbone. man up. MASSIVE RESPECT TO THE MILITARY FEMALE BOUNCER WHO DID THE DO! THANK YOU CLARE! SHE MORE MAN THEN ALL Y'ALL

Its obvious that the bouncers know the person who did it and his associates they dont want to get involved because they will then be taking sides and maybe have to give court evidence as a witness this wouldnt go down well in the local gym or pub they drink in...in fact they are probably worried it could then be them next time. it would take a brave bouncer to take a stand like this or would it just be them doing their job properly?? Debate

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

Agree poor guy but this seems a bit one sided , it was probably a busy dance floor so how much did they see and there is no time line so were they aware want this guy had actually done ?

I see your point, in such a panicked situation it can be pretty confusing. If it's the case that bouncers didn't intervene or haven't got appropriate training to deal with these situations then maybe this month will provide them with the time needed to get everything in order.

I guess we won't know until the licensing review although V seem pretty confident they know which way that's going - they're already advertising their relaunch party online!

As you say it was probably a confused and dark situation , do you think a bouncer is going to just stand and watch this kicking off in front of him ?
Perhaps Mr CARR is penny pinching on a bare minimum staffing level ?

Well there was a bouncer on the first thread about this who said that bouncers aren't paid enough to intervene when someone has a knife and detain them until the police come. So I do think there's a possibility they wouldn't intervene because obviously some door staff hold the view of why should they? I'd like to think however that they're few and far between and I'm pretty sure they are because most of the door staff I've met (whilst out and as friends) have always taken their job seriously and cared about protecting people's safety.

why should security intervene because they think why should they as they are not paid enough??? so they just go to work with it in there heads they'll just stand there and "look good"? problem with this society is it hasn't got a backbone. man up. MASSIVE RESPECT TO THE MILITARY FEMALE BOUNCER WHO DID THE DO! THANK YOU CLARE! SHE MORE MAN THEN ALL Y'ALL

Take it up with the person who said it on the first news story about this I'm simply repeating it. I argued that actually they chose to be bouncers and put themselves in that situation where they're expected to take a risk to protect people - if they weren't happy with it get another job.

But THE PERSON COMMENTING felt that I was wrong because they only earn £10 per hour, less than the police, so why should they try and stop someone with a knife and detain them for the police putting their own personal safety at risk.

Hopefully that person is in a minority because if that's how all the door staff are thinking I'll be staying at home on the weekends in future!

£10 an hour is pretty decent for this day and age.

djrust, very interesting read. agree with the dialogue my man.

rozmister wrote:

HRH of Boscombe wrote:

rozmister wrote: Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon! It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

I worked at the Cage yrs ago when I was studying. Somehow they let in pretty much the whole zulu warriors Birmingham hooligans. . Bot the door staff and Police did nothing when they kicked off outside after.Even the Police just blocked of the road and let them get on with it knowing there were plenty of innocent people caught up in it.

The fact that the police and door staff haven't intervened doesn't make it carte blanche for that to always happen. When I go into town it's not unreasonable to expect to be kept as safe as I can be whilst I'm out. I've never had any trouble, never been in a fight, never created any sort of anti social problems while drunk but if there's a madman with a knife who happens to be near me I should be left to be stabbed? That doesn't really sit too well with me. Bournemouth has got a Purple Flag for it's nightlife and makes a lot of money out of clubbers every week. People won't come into town if they won't be safe and it's the job of the police, the licensing committee and the door staff to make sure it is safe.

The point is they play the big tough guys when it's drunk students. As soon as it's a real dangerous situation they're a bunch of chickens.

If it's any consolation Ben, you couldn't have been in better hands than Poole Hospital. A terrible wound but so neatly done. I hope your mental scars heal as well. Whoever did this to a young man like you should have the same done to them.

Thank you Downpokes.

Maybe you guys heard of a little place called The Dancing Jug. Its a pub across the street from Argos (Post Office Rd).
That place has the formula right. Mostly what you will find there is soulful house, deep house and live music. It's always packed on a weekend and there are barely no fights at all (sometimes it happens) and there's just a really good atmosphere (and you can see there's a different type of people going there that like to have fun, not jump on the DJs with requests for George Michael when you're playing house at 125BPM - happened to me this weekend ). Why can't clubs learn from these places and adopt the formula to the club scene so the people can move from the Jug (which closes about 1-2 a.m.) to a club where they can party at the same rhythm until early hours in the morning.

But some want just to see the 18-year-olds get p*ssed-drunk fighting. (cause it's cool like that).

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:
And legalize ecstacy while you're at it too. Job done.

Drugs like X or MDMA (the active substance in X), coke or any other substance will almost never make people fight. Everybody will just want to dance until they can't stand anymore. But then again, it's WHO takes it that's important, just like weed... so legalizing it is not really that good. Just like when a dumb person smokes weed he won't be a smart guy, he will be a smart dumb guy. And what's worse than a dumb guy? Answer: a smart...dumb guy. Same rule applies to the things that make you hyper. As I see it, as long as you are enjoying yourself, having a good night and not bothering anybody in the process, you can be high on whatever you want for all I care.

HRH of Boscombe wrote:

rozmister wrote:

HRH of Boscombe wrote:

rozmister wrote: Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon! It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

I worked at the Cage yrs ago when I was studying. Somehow they let in pretty much the whole zulu warriors Birmingham hooligans. . Bot the door staff and Police did nothing when they kicked off outside after.Even the Police just blocked of the road and let them get on with it knowing there were plenty of innocent people caught up in it.

The fact that the police and door staff haven't intervened doesn't make it carte blanche for that to always happen. When I go into town it's not unreasonable to expect to be kept as safe as I can be whilst I'm out. I've never had any trouble, never been in a fight, never created any sort of anti social problems while drunk but if there's a madman with a knife who happens to be near me I should be left to be stabbed? That doesn't really sit too well with me. Bournemouth has got a Purple Flag for it's nightlife and makes a lot of money out of clubbers every week. People won't come into town if they won't be safe and it's the job of the police, the licensing committee and the door staff to make sure it is safe.

The point is they play the big tough guys when it's drunk students. As soon as it's a real dangerous situation they're a bunch of chickens.

Maybe the solution is to have independent reviews (of CCTV footage, witness statements, etc) after incidents like this that focus specifically on the security staffs behaviour. Obviously the police review this information but they're looking to solve a crime rather than judge security staff's work. Loss of personal SIA licence or a venue's licence may work as a penalty to force nightclub owners to employ security staff who do the job properly! Like the Clare lady in the article who drew on her military background to administer first aid. If you had a team made up of dedicated individuals like that rather than one good person nights out would be safer for everyone!

djrust wrote:
There are two things I noticed about V. First, the good is the actual club. Good location, best sound system in B'mouth (Funktion One speakers) and good atmosphere (they try to replicate a London-style clubbing scene). Second, the bad: 1. The music (same commercial pop/dance and commercial hiphop/rnb that you hear on the radio) with some exceptions (ferry corsten etc). They could go a lot more underground/house (soulful genres such as soulful house, deep house, soul, funky and classic house or even tech-house, techno, minimal.. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places) 2. The attendance (that mainly comes for the commercial c**p). I have never seen anywhere in Bournemouth a club more overrun with middle-eastern people. And I don't want to sound racist as I believe there are plenty of great people from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, india, Pakistan and so on. But from what I've seen in "V", only the low-lives tend to go there (exceptions apply) that jump at you for even dancing too close to them or act like they own the club while wearing Primark last season's clothes (cause they were on promotion). I went there with some girl colleagues one night... I have never seen more people swarming around like sharks (I could have documented it video-wise and send it to Animal Planet as it was similar to what Great White shark do when assaulting seals.. but anyway) plus all the "cool" heads that are in a club just so they can tell their friends the next day that they went to "V". This is the type of crowd that makes these brawls and it's because of all these reasons that this happened. What I wish for is the culprit do be sentenced to many years in prison and hopefully raped by Bubba the Bum Basher. To put it simple, change the music policy and you will see a change in the people that go in. You will see people that don't go to a club to fight, but to hear music and have a good time (and spend more money at the bar as well). On the other hand, it is partly the bouncers' fault as well, because when a brawl starts you need to immobilise the culprits and either retain them until police comes or throw them out, not panic like civilians (it's their job to keep trouble makers out).

I agree with alot of this, but not ".. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places", the winchester pub/club hosts some good nights, delete, shake, back in the dark, soon to be strict tempo dance party as well. I have had some of the best nights in there. The guy who runs it has the right idea and you get an interesting but pretty chilled atmosphere in there..

scoobydoo88 wrote:

djrust wrote:
There are two things I noticed about V. First, the good is the actual club. Good location, best sound system in B'mouth (Funktion One speakers) and good atmosphere (they try to replicate a London-style clubbing scene). Second, the bad: 1. The music (same commercial pop/dance and commercial hiphop/rnb that you hear on the radio) with some exceptions (ferry corsten etc). They could go a lot more underground/house (soulful genres such as soulful house, deep house, soul, funky and classic house or even tech-house, techno, minimal.. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places) 2. The attendance (that mainly comes for the commercial c**p). I have never seen anywhere in Bournemouth a club more overrun with middle-eastern people. And I don't want to sound racist as I believe there are plenty of great people from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, india, Pakistan and so on. But from what I've seen in "V", only the low-lives tend to go there (exceptions apply) that jump at you for even dancing too close to them or act like they own the club while wearing Primark last season's clothes (cause they were on promotion). I went there with some girl colleagues one night... I have never seen more people swarming around like sharks (I could have documented it video-wise and send it to Animal Planet as it was similar to what Great White shark do when assaulting seals.. but anyway) plus all the "cool" heads that are in a club just so they can tell their friends the next day that they went to "V". This is the type of crowd that makes these brawls and it's because of all these reasons that this happened. What I wish for is the culprit do be sentenced to many years in prison and hopefully raped by Bubba the Bum Basher. To put it simple, change the music policy and you will see a change in the people that go in. You will see people that don't go to a club to fight, but to hear music and have a good time (and spend more money at the bar as well). On the other hand, it is partly the bouncers' fault as well, because when a brawl starts you need to immobilise the culprits and either retain them until police comes or throw them out, not panic like civilians (it's their job to keep trouble makers out).

I agree with alot of this, but not ".. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places", the winchester pub/club hosts some good nights, delete, shake, back in the dark, soon to be strict tempo dance party as well. I have had some of the best nights in there. The guy who runs it has the right idea and you get an interesting but pretty chilled atmosphere in there..

I second that about the Winch - always a good night out and there never seems to be any w**kers in there!

"Bring in American style law and let life mean life! "all day long"



yep, certainly works over there


ps perhaps you can remind us what their crime and murder rate is compared to ours

scoobydoo88 wrote:

djrust wrote:
There are two things I noticed about V. First, the good is the actual club. Good location, best sound system in B'mouth (Funktion One speakers) and good atmosphere (they try to replicate a London-style clubbing scene). Second, the bad: 1. The music (same commercial pop/dance and commercial hiphop/rnb that you hear on the radio) with some exceptions (ferry corsten etc). They could go a lot more underground/house (soulful genres such as soulful house, deep house, soul, funky and classic house or even tech-house, techno, minimal.. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places) 2. The attendance (that mainly comes for the commercial c**p). I have never seen anywhere in Bournemouth a club more overrun with middle-eastern people. And I don't want to sound racist as I believe there are plenty of great people from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, india, Pakistan and so on. But from what I've seen in "V", only the low-lives tend to go there (exceptions apply) that jump at you for even dancing too close to them or act like they own the club while wearing Primark last season's clothes (cause they were on promotion). I went there with some girl colleagues one night... I have never seen more people swarming around like sharks (I could have documented it video-wise and send it to Animal Planet as it was similar to what Great White shark do when assaulting seals.. but anyway) plus all the "cool" heads that are in a club just so they can tell their friends the next day that they went to "V". This is the type of crowd that makes these brawls and it's because of all these reasons that this happened. What I wish for is the culprit do be sentenced to many years in prison and hopefully raped by Bubba the Bum Basher. To put it simple, change the music policy and you will see a change in the people that go in. You will see people that don't go to a club to fight, but to hear music and have a good time (and spend more money at the bar as well). On the other hand, it is partly the bouncers' fault as well, because when a brawl starts you need to immobilise the culprits and either retain them until police comes or throw them out, not panic like civilians (it's their job to keep trouble makers out).

I agree with alot of this, but not ".. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places", the winchester pub/club hosts some good nights, delete, shake, back in the dark, soon to be strict tempo dance party as well. I have had some of the best nights in there. The guy who runs it has the right idea and you get an interesting but pretty chilled atmosphere in there..

I know The winchester as I often go there (been to Delete, Terminal, Eden, Toma! etc). But that's just 1 place known for that. Then there's The Old Firestation that does every now and them techno/minimal/tech-
house etc parties but to be put quite frankly, there's too many commercial places compared to underground venues. I want for everybody on a weekend to be able to have have 2-3 places to choose from, then you can get bigger names coming and so on. Constantly.

djrust wrote:

scoobydoo88 wrote:

djrust wrote: There are two things I noticed about V. First, the good is the actual club. Good location, best sound system in B'mouth (Funktion One speakers) and good atmosphere (they try to replicate a London-style clubbing scene). Second, the bad: 1. The music (same commercial pop/dance and commercial hiphop/rnb that you hear on the radio) with some exceptions (ferry corsten etc). They could go a lot more underground/house (soulful genres such as soulful house, deep house, soul, funky and classic house or even tech-house, techno, minimal.. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places) 2. The attendance (that mainly comes for the commercial c**p). I have never seen anywhere in Bournemouth a club more overrun with middle-eastern people. And I don't want to sound racist as I believe there are plenty of great people from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, india, Pakistan and so on. But from what I've seen in "V", only the low-lives tend to go there (exceptions apply) that jump at you for even dancing too close to them or act like they own the club while wearing Primark last season's clothes (cause they were on promotion). I went there with some girl colleagues one night... I have never seen more people swarming around like sharks (I could have documented it video-wise and send it to Animal Planet as it was similar to what Great White shark do when assaulting seals.. but anyway) plus all the "cool" heads that are in a club just so they can tell their friends the next day that they went to "V". This is the type of crowd that makes these brawls and it's because of all these reasons that this happened. What I wish for is the culprit do be sentenced to many years in prison and hopefully raped by Bubba the Bum Basher. To put it simple, change the music policy and you will see a change in the people that go in. You will see people that don't go to a club to fight, but to hear music and have a good time (and spend more money at the bar as well). On the other hand, it is partly the bouncers' fault as well, because when a brawl starts you need to immobilise the culprits and either retain them until police comes or throw them out, not panic like civilians (it's their job to keep trouble makers out).

I agree with alot of this, but not ".. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places", the winchester pub/club hosts some good nights, delete, shake, back in the dark, soon to be strict tempo dance party as well. I have had some of the best nights in there. The guy who runs it has the right idea and you get an interesting but pretty chilled atmosphere in there..

I know The winchester as I often go there (been to Delete, Terminal, Eden, Toma! etc). But that's just 1 place known for that. Then there's The Old Firestation that does every now and them techno/minimal/tech- house etc parties but to be put quite frankly, there's too many commercial places compared to underground venues. I want for everybody on a weekend to be able to have have 2-3 places to choose from, then you can get bigger names coming and so on. Constantly.

True, it is just the one only decent place where you can go and listen to decent music with like minded people. Bmouth desperately needs more venues like it

Bournemouth at night has become a no go area, except for hen and stag do's, drunks and people who want to commit crime or fight or deal drugs.

What has happened to the town where Iwas born?

Didn't Elements have a metal detector for a while after that shooting incident years ago ? Heaven nightclub in London has metal detectors you have to walk through, I think it's a good idea and maybe more nightclubs should think about installing one because you never know.

I'm sorry for the guy who got attacked and I agree with others who've said there is absolutely no reason for carrying a knife unless you want to do damage to someone.

Bournemouth nightlife has gone downhill since the end of the nineties anyway. I tend to avoid it now.

djrust wrote:
There are two things I noticed about V. First, the good is the actual club. Good location, best sound system in B'mouth (Funktion One speakers) and good atmosphere (they try to replicate a London-style clubbing scene). Second, the bad:
1. The music (same commercial pop/dance and commercial hiphop/rnb that you hear on the radio) with some exceptions (ferry corsten etc). They could go a lot more underground/house (soulful genres such as soulful house, deep house, soul, funky and classic house or even tech-house, techno, minimal.. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places)
2. The attendance (that mainly comes for the commercial c**p). I have never seen anywhere in Bournemouth a club more overrun with middle-eastern people. And I don't want to sound racist as I believe there are plenty of great people from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, india, Pakistan and so on. But from what I've seen in "V", only the low-lives tend to go there (exceptions apply) that jump at you for even dancing too close to them or act like they own the club while wearing Primark last season's clothes (cause they were on promotion). I went there with some girl colleagues one night... I have never seen more people swarming around like sharks (I could have documented it video-wise and send it to Animal Planet as it was similar to what Great White shark do when assaulting seals.. but anyway) plus all the "cool" heads that are in a club just so they can tell their friends the next day that they went to "V". This is the type of crowd that makes these brawls and it's because of all these reasons that this happened. What I wish for is the culprit do be sentenced to many years in prison and hopefully raped by Bubba the Bum Basher.

To put it simple, change the music policy and you will see a change in the people that go in. You will see people that don't go to a club to fight, but to hear music and have a good time (and spend more money at the bar as well).

On the other hand, it is partly the bouncers' fault as well, because when a brawl starts you need to immobilise the culprits and either retain them until police comes or throw them out, not panic like civilians (it's their job to keep trouble makers out).

What has any of that got to do with this kid being stabbed in the face?
You comments seem to sum up all the worst points about the type of people who attend nightclubs - the music's wrong, the people are wrong, the clothes are wrong. Who cares?
Its not the club, it's the type of people who go in them, behaving as if they are gangsters, desparate to be notorious and knowing that on Monday they'll be back stacking shelves or working in Argos.
The Police think that the club was used for serious crime. Oh really? show me a club that isn't.
When I was younger, you couldn't go inside a club if you were dressed in jeans and trainers. Somehow they felt that scruffy people were troublemakers. What a joke. If a drug dealer wears a suit, he is still a drug dealer.
I feel sorry for the lad, that scar will no doubt effect the path he follows for the rest of his life; employment opportunites etc. People often jump to the wrong conclusions about people and assume he is a troublemaker rather than an innocent victim.

Dont drop litter wrote:

djrust wrote:
There are two things I noticed about V. First, the good is the actual club. Good location, best sound system in B'mouth (Funktion One speakers) and good atmosphere (they try to replicate a London-style clubbing scene). Second, the bad:
1. The music (same commercial pop/dance and commercial hiphop/rnb that you hear on the radio) with some exceptions (ferry corsten etc). They could go a lot more underground/house (soulful genres such as soulful house, deep house, soul, funky and classic house or even tech-house, techno, minimal.. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places)
2. The attendance (that mainly comes for the commercial c**p). I have never seen anywhere in Bournemouth a club more overrun with middle-eastern people. And I don't want to sound racist as I believe there are plenty of great people from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, india, Pakistan and so on. But from what I've seen in "V", only the low-lives tend to go there (exceptions apply) that jump at you for even dancing too close to them or act like they own the club while wearing Primark last season's clothes (cause they were on promotion). I went there with some girl colleagues one night... I have never seen more people swarming around like sharks (I could have documented it video-wise and send it to Animal Planet as it was similar to what Great White shark do when assaulting seals.. but anyway) plus all the "cool" heads that are in a club just so they can tell their friends the next day that they went to "V". This is the type of crowd that makes these brawls and it's because of all these reasons that this happened. What I wish for is the culprit do be sentenced to many years in prison and hopefully raped by Bubba the Bum Basher.

To put it simple, change the music policy and you will see a change in the people that go in. You will see people that don't go to a club to fight, but to hear music and have a good time (and spend more money at the bar as well).

On the other hand, it is partly the bouncers' fault as well, because when a brawl starts you need to immobilise the culprits and either retain them until police comes or throw them out, not panic like civilians (it's their job to keep trouble makers out).

What has any of that got to do with this kid being stabbed in the face?
You comments seem to sum up all the worst points about the type of people who attend nightclubs - the music's wrong, the people are wrong, the clothes are wrong. Who cares?
Its not the club, it's the type of people who go in them, behaving as if they are gangsters, desparate to be notorious and knowing that on Monday they'll be back stacking shelves or working in Argos.
The Police think that the club was used for serious crime. Oh really? show me a club that isn't.
When I was younger, you couldn't go inside a club if you were dressed in jeans and trainers. Somehow they felt that scruffy people were troublemakers. What a joke. If a drug dealer wears a suit, he is still a drug dealer.
I feel sorry for the lad, that scar will no doubt effect the path he follows for the rest of his life; employment opportunites etc. People often jump to the wrong conclusions about people and assume he is a troublemaker rather than an innocent victim.

The problem is partly the club because it attracts those people you talk about. Not every nightclub in the country is like that, not every nightclub has stabbings or shootings (Zoo in the old days) happen on the dance floor. Whether the club can't control who comes in and change the clientele or whether it's determined by the pack mentality (that type go there so I won't I'll go here and vice versa) is another argument but if a club turns into a place where a specific type of people congregate, the type of people who attack people like the victim in this article, then yes they need to be shut down.

Every club has crime, and often organised crime, happening on the premises but not every club is involved in it. There's a difference between unwittingly letting a drug dealer in and knowing a drug dealer is trying to come in your venue and letting them in anyway.

Hope he sues the hell out of them as they have a duty of care from their customers!

There are two sides to the story but whatever this guy did or said he did not deserve his face slashed open. Nowadays you only need to look at someone the wrong way to end up in A&E...

Every nightclub is responsible for the safety of it's patrons. Including wet dance floors, clean glasses, toilet hygiene etc. It is part of the conditions of the license. Knives and Guns are not permitted (naturally) so whether you think it was the clubs fault or not, the club will still be held accountable, mainly focusing on the security and safety of the place.

I think Mr Carr will get what he deserves soon. He's been acting like he owns the place, using the consultant front as a cover I'm sure to appear to not be breaking his court imposed restrictions.

That much loss in trade now surely can't be good for business and paying people who I'm sure they owe money too. Their reputation is totally destroyed now and will find it difficult to recover, if at all.

Ben is very lucky he didn't lose his eye by the look of it! Why should ANYONE carry a knife around especially in a nightclub? A thirty year old 'man' is old enough to know what he's doing or what he should be doing which is NOT going round nightclubs merrily slashing people. IF they actually get as far as sentencing this guy (which I doubt) I suppose he'll be out in less time than it took to do the deed and be out prancing around clubs again.

rozmister wrote:

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

Agree poor guy but this seems a bit one sided , it was probably a busy dance floor so how much did they see and there is no time line so were they aware want this guy had actually done ?

I see your point, in such a panicked situation it can be pretty confusing. If it's the case that bouncers didn't intervene or haven't got appropriate training to deal with these situations then maybe this month will provide them with the time needed to get everything in order.

I guess we won't know until the licensing review although V seem pretty confident they know which way that's going - they're already advertising their relaunch party online!

As you say it was probably a confused and dark situation , do you think a bouncer is going to just stand and watch this kicking off in front of him ?
Perhaps Mr CARR is penny pinching on a bare minimum staffing level ?

Well there was a bouncer on the first thread about this who said that bouncers aren't paid enough to intervene when someone has a knife and detain them until the police come. So I do think there's a possibility they wouldn't intervene because obviously some door staff hold the view of why should they? I'd like to think however that they're few and far between and I'm pretty sure they are because most of the door staff I've met (whilst out and as friends) have always taken their job seriously and cared about protecting people's safety.

why should security intervene because they think why should they as they are not paid enough??? so they just go to work with it in there heads they'll just stand there and "look good"? problem with this society is it hasn't got a backbone. man up. MASSIVE RESPECT TO THE MILITARY FEMALE BOUNCER WHO DID THE DO! THANK YOU CLARE! SHE MORE MAN THEN ALL Y'ALL

Take it up with the person who said it on the first news story about this I'm simply repeating it. I argued that actually they chose to be bouncers and put themselves in that situation where they're expected to take a risk to protect people - if they weren't happy with it get another job.

But THE PERSON COMMENTING felt that I was wrong because they only earn £10 per hour, less than the police, so why should they try and stop someone with a knife and detain them for the police putting their own personal safety at risk.

Hopefully that person is in a minority because if that's how all the door staff are thinking I'll be staying at home on the weekends in future!

Perhaps you need to go back to my original comments on my original posts because you have clearly manipulate it for your own cause. Quote"Do you have any idea how much door staff get paid nowadays? Less than cleaners and yet you expect them to put their lives at risk by trying to detain a knifeman. I know some of the security at V and they have a vast amount of experience and will have done the job to the best of their ability. Some haven't been paid for weeks courtesy of their company and yet you expect them to do the job that a police officer would be armed with tasers and peppers sprays? " Yet you have made out that I stated they dont get paid enough to protect people. You are the one that stated a doorman has to expect to be hurt or assulated. Well your wrong. If I was a bar made I wouldnt expect to be glassed. Its because of people like you who trivialise what people DO instead of what they dont do. As i said before the door staff involved are exceptional but they dont have the same protection a police officer has therefore if they didnt detain the man there would have been a good reason and only the police and licensing can decide that. II would assume it was because at the time they did not know it was him and therefore to detain someone without good cause would actually be illegal!

IF this had been my son or other family member that this had happened to...I would maim the t``t and that is no big talk,that is fact....A bottleless gutless piece of sh==e..What goes round comes round you assh==e.Hope you die a horrible death.

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

Agree poor guy but this seems a bit one sided , it was probably a busy dance floor so how much did they see and there is no time line so were they aware want this guy had actually done ?

I see your point, in such a panicked situation it can be pretty confusing. If it's the case that bouncers didn't intervene or haven't got appropriate training to deal with these situations then maybe this month will provide them with the time needed to get everything in order.

I guess we won't know until the licensing review although V seem pretty confident they know which way that's going - they're already advertising their relaunch party online!

As you say it was probably a confused and dark situation , do you think a bouncer is going to just stand and watch this kicking off in front of him ?
Perhaps Mr CARR is penny pinching on a bare minimum staffing level ?

Well there was a bouncer on the first thread about this who said that bouncers aren't paid enough to intervene when someone has a knife and detain them until the police come. So I do think there's a possibility they wouldn't intervene because obviously some door staff hold the view of why should they? I'd like to think however that they're few and far between and I'm pretty sure they are because most of the door staff I've met (whilst out and as friends) have always taken their job seriously and cared about protecting people's safety.

why should security intervene because they think why should they as they are not paid enough??? so they just go to work with it in there heads they'll just stand there and "look good"? problem with this society is it hasn't got a backbone. man up. MASSIVE RESPECT TO THE MILITARY FEMALE BOUNCER WHO DID THE DO! THANK YOU CLARE! SHE MORE MAN THEN ALL Y'ALL

Take it up with the person who said it on the first news story about this I'm simply repeating it. I argued that actually they chose to be bouncers and put themselves in that situation where they're expected to take a risk to protect people - if they weren't happy with it get another job.

But THE PERSON COMMENTING felt that I was wrong because they only earn £10 per hour, less than the police, so why should they try and stop someone with a knife and detain them for the police putting their own personal safety at risk.

Hopefully that person is in a minority because if that's how all the door staff are thinking I'll be staying at home on the weekends in future!

Perhaps you need to go back to my original comments on my original posts because you have clearly manipulate it for your own cause. Quote"Do you have any idea how much door staff get paid nowadays? Less than cleaners and yet you expect them to put their lives at risk by trying to detain a knifeman. I know some of the security at V and they have a vast amount of experience and will have done the job to the best of their ability. Some haven't been paid for weeks courtesy of their company and yet you expect them to do the job that a police officer would be armed with tasers and peppers sprays? " Yet you have made out that I stated they dont get paid enough to protect people. You are the one that stated a doorman has to expect to be hurt or assulated. Well your wrong. If I was a bar made I wouldnt expect to be glassed. Its because of people like you who trivialise what people DO instead of what they dont do. As i said before the door staff involved are exceptional but they dont have the same protection a police officer has therefore if they didnt detain the man there would have been a good reason and only the police and licensing can decide that. II would assume it was because at the time they did not know it was him and therefore to detain someone without good cause would actually be illegal!

If they're doing their job happily for that pay why bring it up? Why say they ONLY get paid that much if the staff are preventing violence on a nightly basis without a problem because they accept that pay for the job they do?

I said that no one deserved to be assaulted, glassed or stabbed but in the event that someone tries to do that it's the door staffs job to intervene to THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY.

I don't trivialise violence it's never acceptable but unfortunately it is rather common these days in pubs, clubs and bars. There aren't many venues that never have a fight and if you are a member of door staff you know that. If violence never happened we wouldn't need door staff in venues it's because it's pretty predictable that at some point violence will occur that door staff are employed at all the nightclubs and some of the pubs in town. You go to work in the night time industry hoping that there won't be any trouble but accepting there might be.

Because someone stated door staff get paid to get hurt! No they dont! Yes I agree you go accepting that there might be but you dont expect to get stabbed at the end of the day anymore than the poor lad who was slashed. Having seen 2 people stabbed a few years ago I can tell you now its not as cut and dried as people make out. Firstly not even the victim knew that he had been slashed so at why is it unreasonable to assume that the door staff didnt know eitherat first. When you have people panicking and screaming and telling you someone has a knife but are generally not able to tell you where that person is, why is it unreasonable to assume that the door men didnt know either. It is a misconception that attackers walk the streets with the knives out in the open and in their hands; they normally have them concealed, until they are ready to use them. It has been expected that they saw what happened and that they caught the offender. Its not unreasonable to assume that probably many people were pointed out as being the offender. Thats what happens. Unfortunate but it happens and its nobodies fault. It is a door supervisors role to keep people safe and as V DID have metal detectors they did far more than other venues do. Someone slipped through the net and this horrible incident has happened. However door staff are taught to disarm a knife man if necessary but this is not aways possible in a crowded space. Some one stated that after the incident the doorstaff did nothing to keep people safe? Did 700 people expect a personal doorman to keep them safe? What is reasonable for a door supervisor to do and what the general public expect is not the same. Anyone holding a knife has a tremendous advantage over you, assuming you are not armed. Just supposing that the doormen had detained him in a crowded room and many more peole were injured? What would the story be then? Your damned if you do and your damned if you dont. I was fortunate that when I was involved in a knife incident we had not long opened and we were able to contain the situation. However unbeknown to me when we took 2 "victims" into the first aid room it actually turned out that they had stabbed each other. Thats the sort of risk door supervisors take all the time and it doesnt matter how strong your backbone is its scary stuff! I wish Ben Selby a speedy recovery and hope that nobody trivialises what has happened to him and the only person to blame is the knife man but the fact remains his friend was allegedly having an argument with the offender so something happened prior to this which hasnt been told.

Hammy1 wrote:
All night clubs should have airport style detectors compulsory fitted. Also good old style bouncers should be brought back. The trouble nowadays these door people are only allowed to use 'reasonable force' When I used to go nightclubbing if you caused trouble you were physically thrown out. As for nightclubs that turn a blind eye to trouble on a regular basis licenses should be withdrawn and the club closed down then maybe the owners would be more on the ball.

Good old style bouncers were also good old fashioned criminals sometimes and the SIA has been brought in to rid the doors of that type of person. In those days you didnt have superclubs and knife and gun crime was very rare. If you would rather get thrown down a flight of stairs than removed with non restrictive measures your mad!

rozmister wrote:

scoobydoo88 wrote:

djrust wrote:
There are two things I noticed about V. First, the good is the actual club. Good location, best sound system in B'mouth (Funktion One speakers) and good atmosphere (they try to replicate a London-style clubbing scene). Second, the bad: 1. The music (same commercial pop/dance and commercial hiphop/rnb that you hear on the radio) with some exceptions (ferry corsten etc). They could go a lot more underground/house (soulful genres such as soulful house, deep house, soul, funky and classic house or even tech-house, techno, minimal.. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places) 2. The attendance (that mainly comes for the commercial c**p). I have never seen anywhere in Bournemouth a club more overrun with middle-eastern people. And I don't want to sound racist as I believe there are plenty of great people from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, india, Pakistan and so on. But from what I've seen in "V", only the low-lives tend to go there (exceptions apply) that jump at you for even dancing too close to them or act like they own the club while wearing Primark last season's clothes (cause they were on promotion). I went there with some girl colleagues one night... I have never seen more people swarming around like sharks (I could have documented it video-wise and send it to Animal Planet as it was similar to what Great White shark do when assaulting seals.. but anyway) plus all the "cool" heads that are in a club just so they can tell their friends the next day that they went to "V". This is the type of crowd that makes these brawls and it's because of all these reasons that this happened. What I wish for is the culprit do be sentenced to many years in prison and hopefully raped by Bubba the Bum Basher. To put it simple, change the music policy and you will see a change in the people that go in. You will see people that don't go to a club to fight, but to hear music and have a good time (and spend more money at the bar as well). On the other hand, it is partly the bouncers' fault as well, because when a brawl starts you need to immobilise the culprits and either retain them until police comes or throw them out, not panic like civilians (it's their job to keep trouble makers out).

I agree with alot of this, but not ".. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places", the winchester pub/club hosts some good nights, delete, shake, back in the dark, soon to be strict tempo dance party as well. I have had some of the best nights in there. The guy who runs it has the right idea and you get an interesting but pretty chilled atmosphere in there..

I second that about the Winch - always a good night out and there never seems to be any w**kers in there!

Interesting comment as its the same doorstaff!

Dibbles2 wrote:

rozmister wrote:

scoobydoo88 wrote:

djrust wrote:
There are two things I noticed about V. First, the good is the actual club. Good location, best sound system in B'mouth (Funktion One speakers) and good atmosphere (they try to replicate a London-style clubbing scene). Second, the bad: 1. The music (same commercial pop/dance and commercial hiphop/rnb that you hear on the radio) with some exceptions (ferry corsten etc). They could go a lot more underground/house (soulful genres such as soulful house, deep house, soul, funky and classic house or even tech-house, techno, minimal.. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places) 2. The attendance (that mainly comes for the commercial c**p). I have never seen anywhere in Bournemouth a club more overrun with middle-eastern people. And I don't want to sound racist as I believe there are plenty of great people from Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, india, Pakistan and so on. But from what I've seen in "V", only the low-lives tend to go there (exceptions apply) that jump at you for even dancing too close to them or act like they own the club while wearing Primark last season's clothes (cause they were on promotion). I went there with some girl colleagues one night... I have never seen more people swarming around like sharks (I could have documented it video-wise and send it to Animal Planet as it was similar to what Great White shark do when assaulting seals.. but anyway) plus all the "cool" heads that are in a club just so they can tell their friends the next day that they went to "V". This is the type of crowd that makes these brawls and it's because of all these reasons that this happened. What I wish for is the culprit do be sentenced to many years in prison and hopefully raped by Bubba the Bum Basher. To put it simple, change the music policy and you will see a change in the people that go in. You will see people that don't go to a club to fight, but to hear music and have a good time (and spend more money at the bar as well). On the other hand, it is partly the bouncers' fault as well, because when a brawl starts you need to immobilise the culprits and either retain them until police comes or throw them out, not panic like civilians (it's their job to keep trouble makers out).

I agree with alot of this, but not ".. there is the right crowd in bmouth, no places", the winchester pub/club hosts some good nights, delete, shake, back in the dark, soon to be strict tempo dance party as well. I have had some of the best nights in there. The guy who runs it has the right idea and you get an interesting but pretty chilled atmosphere in there..

I second that about the Winch - always a good night out and there never seems to be any w**kers in there!

Interesting comment as its the same doorstaff!

Absolutely spot on dibbles.

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

Agree poor guy but this seems a bit one sided , it was probably a busy dance floor so how much did they see and there is no time line so were they aware want this guy had actually done ?

I see your point, in such a panicked situation it can be pretty confusing. If it's the case that bouncers didn't intervene or haven't got appropriate training to deal with these situations then maybe this month will provide them with the time needed to get everything in order.

I guess we won't know until the licensing review although V seem pretty confident they know which way that's going - they're already advertising their relaunch party online!

Cann all you pro carr, associates and v marketing employeess stop spamming these comments with your bs comments your lesser magick wont work here ok theres a relaunch party lets js keep talking as if it"s going to happen. U have a whopping big ego my friend and alot of bogus accounts. Yourr place is doomed for closure, license permenantly revoked and its going to be turned into an ice rink with a family restaurant up stairs.AFterall this is a holiday town!

rozmister wrote:

HRH of Boscombe wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon! It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

I worked at the Cage yrs ago when I was studying. Somehow they let in pretty much the whole zulu warriors Birmingham hooligans.
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Bot the door staff and Police did nothing when they kicked off outside after.Even the Police just blocked of the road and let them get on with it knowing there were plenty of innocent people caught up in it.

The fact that the police and door staff haven't intervened doesn't make it carte blanche for that to always happen.

When I go into town it's not unreasonable to expect to be kept as safe as I can be whilst I'm out. I've never had any trouble, never been in a fight, never created any sort of anti social problems while drunk but if there's a madman with a knife who happens to be near me I should be left to be stabbed?
That doesn't really sit too well with me.

Bournemouth has got a Purple Flag for it's nightlife and makes a lot of money out of clubbers every week. People won't come into town if they won't be safe and it's the job of the police, the licensing committee and the door staff to make sure it is safe.

Canall you pro carr, associates and v marketing employeess stop spamming these comments with your bs comments your lesser magick wont work here ok theres a relaunch party lets js keep talking as if it"s going to happen. U have a whopping big ego my friend and alot of bogus accounts. Yourr place is doomed for closure, license permenantly revoked and its going to be turned into an ice rink with a family restaurant up stairs.AFterall this is a holiday town!

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

Agree poor guy but this seems a bit one sided , it was probably a busy dance floor so how much did they see and there is no time line so were they aware want this guy had actually done ?

I see your point, in such a panicked situation it can be pretty confusing. If it's the case that bouncers didn't intervene or haven't got appropriate training to deal with these situations then maybe this month will provide them with the time needed to get everything in order.

I guess we won't know until the licensing review although V seem pretty confident they know which way that's going - they're already advertising their relaunch party online!

As you say it was probably a confused and dark situation , do you think a bouncer is going to just stand and watch this kicking off in front of him ?
Perhaps Mr CARR is penny pinching on a bare minimum staffing level ?

Well there was a bouncer on the first thread about this who said that bouncers aren't paid enough to intervene when someone has a knife and detain them until the police come. So I do think there's a possibility they wouldn't intervene because obviously some door staff hold the view of why should they? I'd like to think however that they're few and far between and I'm pretty sure they are because most of the door staff I've met (whilst out and as friends) have always taken their job seriously and cared about protecting people's safety.

why should security intervene because they think why should they as they are not paid enough??? so they just go to work with it in there heads they'll just stand there and "look good"? problem with this society is it hasn't got a backbone. man up. MASSIVE RESPECT TO THE MILITARY FEMALE BOUNCER WHO DID THE DO! THANK YOU CLARE! SHE MORE MAN THEN ALL Y'ALL

@rozzmister aka carr bm buddy aka marketing agent)

Although what happened was clearly a tragic incident for the victim and his friends, it is not entirely fair to put al the blame on the club. As people have said before in a situation such as this it is very easy to become panicked, put yourself in the situation of the staff and security team it is a very stressful situation to deal with. Although some errors on the night might have taken place and could have been prevented, the security team and managers acted as quickly as they could to respond to the the incident. Most staff and security present in the lounge were told to not interfere as the matter was being dealt with by a medically trained member of security, it is not fair to slate the reputation of a club and all of the staff for an incident that could have happened in any other club. Bournemouth is witnessing an increase in violence, and people are clearly forgetting that although the club had its faults on the night the majority of the blame goes to the guy that was pathetic enough to bring a knife into a club holding over 1000 people, and the nerve that he had to hurt another person with no remorse. All of the staff were deeply saddened that this could have happened in v. A member of staff even texted the victim the following day to make sure he was alright. This is an incident that should clearly never be able to happen again.
We all hope that ben is on route to a full recovery.

djrust wrote:
Thank you Downpokes.

Maybe you guys heard of a little place called The Dancing Jug. Its a pub across the street from Argos (Post Office Rd).
That place has the formula right. Mostly what you will find there is soulful house, deep house and live music. It's always packed on a weekend and there are barely no fights at all (sometimes it happens) and there's just a really good atmosphere (and you can see there's a different type of people going there that like to have fun, not jump on the DJs with requests for George Michael when you're playing house at 125BPM - happened to me this weekend ). Why can't clubs learn from these places and adopt the formula to the club scene so the people can move from the Jug (which closes about 1-2 a.m.) to a club where they can party at the same rhythm until early hours in the morning.

But some want just to see the 18-year-olds get p*ssed-drunk fighting. (cause it's cool like that).

Couldnt agree more! Dancin jug leads by perfect example

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:

bourne free wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon!

It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

Agree poor guy but this seems a bit one sided , it was probably a busy dance floor so how much did they see and there is no time line so were they aware want this guy had actually done ?

I see your point, in such a panicked situation it can be pretty confusing. If it's the case that bouncers didn't intervene or haven't got appropriate training to deal with these situations then maybe this month will provide them with the time needed to get everything in order.

I guess we won't know until the licensing review although V seem pretty confident they know which way that's going - they're already advertising their relaunch party online!

As you say it was probably a confused and dark situation , do you think a bouncer is going to just stand and watch this kicking off in front of him ?
Perhaps Mr CARR is penny pinching on a bare minimum staffing level ?

Rossmister aka marketing agent aka car bm buddy

rozmister wrote:

HRH of Boscombe wrote:

rozmister wrote:

HRH of Boscombe wrote:

rozmister wrote: Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon! It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

I worked at the Cage yrs ago when I was studying. Somehow they let in pretty much the whole zulu warriors Birmingham hooligans. . Bot the door staff and Police did nothing when they kicked off outside after.Even the Police just blocked of the road and let them get on with it knowing there were plenty of innocent people caught up in it.

The fact that the police and door staff haven't intervened doesn't make it carte blanche for that to always happen. When I go into town it's not unreasonable to expect to be kept as safe as I can be whilst I'm out. I've never had any trouble, never been in a fight, never created any sort of anti social problems while drunk but if there's a madman with a knife who happens to be near me I should be left to be stabbed? That doesn't really sit too well with me. Bournemouth has got a Purple Flag for it's nightlife and makes a lot of money out of clubbers every week. People won't come into town if they won't be safe and it's the job of the police, the licensing committee and the door staff to make sure it is safe.

The point is they play the big tough guys when it's drunk students. As soon as it's a real dangerous situation they're a bunch of chickens.

Maybe the solution is to have independent reviews (of CCTV footage, witness statements, etc) after incidents like this that focus specifically on the security staffs behaviour. Obviously the police review this information but they're looking to solve a crime rather than judge security staff's work. Loss of personal SIA licence or a venue's licence may work as a penalty to force nightclub owners to employ security staff who do the job properly! Like the Clare lady in the article who drew on her military background to administer first aid. If you had a team made up of dedicated individuals like that rather than one good person nights out would be safer for everyone!

I agree but most of the male bouncers in Bmth these days are hair or sun tan lotion models showing EVERYONE they're drinking a milkshake.

Leila-A wrote:
Although what happened was clearly a tragic incident for the victim and his friends, it is not entirely fair to put al the blame on the club. As people have said before in a situation such as this it is very easy to become panicked, put yourself in the situation of the staff and security team it is a very stressful situation to deal with. Although some errors on the night might have taken place and could have been prevented, the security team and managers acted as quickly as they could to respond to the the incident. Most staff and security present in the lounge were told to not interfere as the matter was being dealt with by a medically trained member of security, it is not fair to slate the reputation of a club and all of the staff for an incident that could have happened in any other club. Bournemouth is witnessing an increase in violence, and people are clearly forgetting that although the club had its faults on the night the majority of the blame goes to the guy that was pathetic enough to bring a knife into a club holding over 1000 people, and the nerve that he had to hurt another person with no remorse. All of the staff were deeply saddened that this could have happened in v. A member of staff even texted the victim the following day to make sure he was alright. This is an incident that should clearly never be able to happen again.
We all hope that ben is on route to a full recovery.

Oh dear another employee of v ur place is doomed end off.

HRH of Boscombe wrote:

rozmister wrote:

HRH of Boscombe wrote:

rozmister wrote:

HRH of Boscombe wrote:

rozmister wrote: Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon! It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

I worked at the Cage yrs ago when I was studying. Somehow they let in pretty much the whole zulu warriors Birmingham hooligans. . Bot the door staff and Police did nothing when they kicked off outside after.Even the Police just blocked of the road and let them get on with it knowing there were plenty of innocent people caught up in it.

The fact that the police and door staff haven't intervened doesn't make it carte blanche for that to always happen. When I go into town it's not unreasonable to expect to be kept as safe as I can be whilst I'm out. I've never had any trouble, never been in a fight, never created any sort of anti social problems while drunk but if there's a madman with a knife who happens to be near me I should be left to be stabbed? That doesn't really sit too well with me. Bournemouth has got a Purple Flag for it's nightlife and makes a lot of money out of clubbers every week. People won't come into town if they won't be safe and it's the job of the police, the licensing committee and the door staff to make sure it is safe.

The point is they play the big tough guys when it's drunk students. As soon as it's a real dangerous situation they're a bunch of chickens.

Maybe the solution is to have independent reviews (of CCTV footage, witness statements, etc) after incidents like this that focus specifically on the security staffs behaviour. Obviously the police review this information but they're looking to solve a crime rather than judge security staff's work. Loss of personal SIA licence or a venue's licence may work as a penalty to force nightclub owners to employ security staff who do the job properly! Like the Clare lady in the article who drew on her military background to administer first aid. If you had a team made up of dedicated individuals like that rather than one good person nights out would be safer for everyone!

I agree but most of the male bouncers in Bmth these days are hair or sun tan lotion models showing EVERYONE they're drinking a milkshake.

I know claire shes also mma fighter she would probably kick those turks but if she was there. Quite right she is the best door man lady sorry there the rest there are a arrogant joey essex wannabees on steroids.

Booboobear123 wrote:

Leila-A wrote:
Although what happened was clearly a tragic incident for the victim and his friends, it is not entirely fair to put al the blame on the club. As people have said before in a situation such as this it is very easy to become panicked, put yourself in the situation of the staff and security team it is a very stressful situation to deal with. Although some errors on the night might have taken place and could have been prevented, the security team and managers acted as quickly as they could to respond to the the incident. Most staff and security present in the lounge were told to not interfere as the matter was being dealt with by a medically trained member of security, it is not fair to slate the reputation of a club and all of the staff for an incident that could have happened in any other club. Bournemouth is witnessing an increase in violence, and people are clearly forgetting that although the club had its faults on the night the majority of the blame goes to the guy that was pathetic enough to bring a knife into a club holding over 1000 people, and the nerve that he had to hurt another person with no remorse. All of the staff were deeply saddened that this could have happened in v. A member of staff even texted the victim the following day to make sure he was alright. This is an incident that should clearly never be able to happen again.
We all hope that ben is on route to a full recovery.

Oh dear another employee of v ur place is doomed end off.

regardless of whether i am an employee of v or not, i witnessed the incident and the team did everything in their power to deal with situation promptly. I'm not trying to justify what happened merely stating that this situation could have happened anywhere.
Peoples judgements should not be influenced based on there dislike for a certain club, maybe you should set your sights towards other clubs in bournemouth which clearly lack organisation. Not to mention the fact no other club in bournemouth has welfare officers, and without the help of them on the night the victim would not have received the treatment he did.

l am absoluely thrilled to hear that The Dancing Jug Pub has "barely no fights" as if this was the exception rather than the rule.
l spent over 30 years running pubs in and around Bournemouth and only witnessed about 3 fights in this entire period.Furthermore,n
one of them involved the use of bottles,glasses,kniv
es or guns. ln those days pubs had proper landlords and we had no need of bouncers.ln fact if most respectable drinkers saw a pub with a bouncer on the door they would avoid it loke the plague

Leila-A wrote:

Booboobear123 wrote:

Leila-A wrote:
Although what happened was clearly a tragic incident for the victim and his friends, it is not entirely fair to put al the blame on the club. As people have said before in a situation such as this it is very easy to become panicked, put yourself in the situation of the staff and security team it is a very stressful situation to deal with. Although some errors on the night might have taken place and could have been prevented, the security team and managers acted as quickly as they could to respond to the the incident. Most staff and security present in the lounge were told to not interfere as the matter was being dealt with by a medically trained member of security, it is not fair to slate the reputation of a club and all of the staff for an incident that could have happened in any other club. Bournemouth is witnessing an increase in violence, and people are clearly forgetting that although the club had its faults on the night the majority of the blame goes to the guy that was pathetic enough to bring a knife into a club holding over 1000 people, and the nerve that he had to hurt another person with no remorse. All of the staff were deeply saddened that this could have happened in v. A member of staff even texted the victim the following day to make sure he was alright. This is an incident that should clearly never be able to happen again.
We all hope that ben is on route to a full recovery.

Oh dear another employee of v ur place is doomed end off.

regardless of whether i am an employee of v or not, i witnessed the incident and the team did everything in their power to deal with situation promptly. I'm not trying to justify what happened merely stating that this situation could have happened anywhere.
Peoples judgements should not be influenced based on there dislike for a certain club, maybe you should set your sights towards other clubs in bournemouth which clearly lack organisation. Not to mention the fact no other club in bournemouth has welfare officers, and without the help of them on the night the victim would not have received the treatment he did.

Most your doorman are thugs on steroid.cudnt cut it as police officers or traffic wardens because of there criminal records. You forget carrs empire was set up and probably still is on drug money how much of that money do you reckon got pumped into this place or how many polish workers did he bump or moon light robberys did he commit . I think I know this bloke better then you do

Booboobear123 wrote:

rozmister wrote:

HRH of Boscombe wrote:

rozmister wrote:
Poor guy that looks really painful. I hope he gets better soon! It's shocking the bouncers did nothing, even if they can't tackle the man with the knife why weren't they clearing the dance floor to get other people to safety?? And if they caught him why did they then let him go? He could have walked out of the club and stabbed someone else in the street!

I worked at the Cage yrs ago when I was studying. Somehow they let in pretty much the whole zulu warriors Birmingham hooligans.
.
Bot the door staff and Police did nothing when they kicked off outside after.Even the Police just blocked of the road and let them get on with it knowing there were plenty of innocent people caught up in it.

The fact that the police and door staff haven't intervened doesn't make it carte blanche for that to always happen.

When I go into town it's not unreasonable to expect to be kept as safe as I can be whilst I'm out. I've never had any trouble, never been in a fight, never created any sort of anti social problems while drunk but if there's a madman with a knife who happens to be near me I should be left to be stabbed?
That doesn't really sit too well with me.

Bournemouth has got a Purple Flag for it's nightlife and makes a lot of money out of clubbers every week. People won't come into town if they won't be safe and it's the job of the police, the licensing committee and the door staff to make sure it is safe.

Canall you pro carr, associates and v marketing employeess stop spamming these comments with your bs comments your lesser magick wont work here ok theres a relaunch party lets js keep talking as if it"s going to happen. U have a whopping big ego my friend and alot of bogus accounts. Yourr place is doomed for closure, license permenantly revoked and its going to be turned into an ice rink with a family restaurant up stairs.AFterall this is a holiday town!

I know it's really hard to read but my name is ROZmister not ROSSmister. I don't work for Carr, V or any other night club in town. I work full time in the not for profit housing industry and part time in a pub which is in one of the suburbs in Bournemouth. I've never worked for any bar or club in Bournemouth town centre although I was offered a marketing job for a club (which is no longer open or operating) in Bournemouth which I turned down as I had already taken the aforementioned job. I haven't been to V for over a year and if you read the comments I've made in the past on these threads I've previously mentioned that V is not to my tastes because I think it's full of flash Harry 18 year olds behaving like idiots!

Saying I expect to kept safe (to the best of peoples ability) when I go into town isn't unreasonable. Stated Bournemouth is a Purple Flag town (FACT) so we need to be protecting that status by making sure security is super tight in venues isn't siding with anyone - all venues need to do it regardless of who owns them.

I've also at no point stated that I think it is or isn't V's fault and have made both sympathetic and not very sympathetic comments about what their part may be in it all.

But hey don't let taking the time to read anything get in the way of the utter BS you want to say.

I don't care if V opens up or not again I wouldn't choose to go there. If they were negligent they deserve to lose their licence. If this is a freak incident and they did their best then this closure will give time for things to calm down and they'll have their license restored. Probably best to wait for the facts to come out at the hearing rather than 110% condemn people beforehand.

Dibbles2 as I've said before I don't go to V anyway because its not to my tastes. I haven't been avoiding the place because I've got anything against the door staff or think theyre not up to scratch although IF it comes out at the licensing review door stafg were negligent maybe id think twice about going to V or the Winch in the future. I've never said V door staff are awful I've said IF they did nothing that's terrible but agreed earlier that it must be a chaotic situation and sometimes hard to judge what's happening.

Booboobear123 wrote:

Leila-A wrote:

Booboobear123 wrote:

Leila-A wrote:
Although what happened was clearly a tragic incident for the victim and his friends, it is not entirely fair to put al the blame on the club. As people have said before in a situation such as this it is very easy to become panicked, put yourself in the situation of the staff and security team it is a very stressful situation to deal with. Although some errors on the night might have taken place and could have been prevented, the security team and managers acted as quickly as they could to respond to the the incident. Most staff and security present in the lounge were told to not interfere as the matter was being dealt with by a medically trained member of security, it is not fair to slate the reputation of a club and all of the staff for an incident that could have happened in any other club. Bournemouth is witnessing an increase in violence, and people are clearly forgetting that although the club had its faults on the night the majority of the blame goes to the guy that was pathetic enough to bring a knife into a club holding over 1000 people, and the nerve that he had to hurt another person with no remorse. All of the staff were deeply saddened that this could have happened in v. A member of staff even texted the victim the following day to make sure he was alright. This is an incident that should clearly never be able to happen again.
We all hope that ben is on route to a full recovery.

Oh dear another employee of v ur place is doomed end off.

regardless of whether i am an employee of v or not, i witnessed the incident and the team did everything in their power to deal with situation promptly. I'm not trying to justify what happened merely stating that this situation could have happened anywhere.
Peoples judgements should not be influenced based on there dislike for a certain club, maybe you should set your sights towards other clubs in bournemouth which clearly lack organisation. Not to mention the fact no other club in bournemouth has welfare officers, and without the help of them on the night the victim would not have received the treatment he did.

Most your doorman are thugs on steroid.cudnt cut it as police officers or traffic wardens because of there criminal records. You forget carrs empire was set up and probably still is on drug money how much of that money do you reckon got pumped into this place or how many polish workers did he bump or moon light robberys did he commit . I think I know this bloke better then you do

Oh and as someone whose previously held an SIA license I can tell you now that certain criminal convictions mean you can't apply for an SIA license and as its illegal to work the doors without one you wouldn't be able to work any of the doors in town. The whole system was introduced to STOP criminals working the doors on any venue.

Just seen the other article on how good Bournemouth CCTV is. I would assume that they know exactly who it is then? Perhaps not as the only person spoken to has been released on bail. Looking at the poor chap who sustained then injuries, I would suggest attempted murder would be an adequate charge.

Simple - stop playing dance music, its for pikeys

Terrible attack... Best wishes for a speedy recovery..
HRH I'm afraid your memory isn't as good as you think.. They weren't all let in and it was contained at the door and the police still reference this case and CCTV from that incident because of the escalation in violence and the way it was held off at the fron steps after continued attacks to gain entry whilst members of the public were sent out a different way! It's a shame those door staff aren't around nowadays...

Firstly, best wishes and a speedy recovery to the young man attacked. Now for my opinion. I have worked in the security sector for over 30 years and have have held a licence in all sectors & currently teach SIA courses. Perhaps if the local Job Centre's stopped paying for very young and very naive young people and other unsuitable types to gain a door supervisors licences so they can be removed from the unemployment register then we might gain quality door staff again who would know how to handle any given situation. I have witnessed many minor incidents around town where most of the new generation 'Door Supervisors' prefer to do a toilet check rather than get involved. For those of us that would bring a spare white shirt into work (just in case) this seems unfair on both the security staff and the patrons. As for £10 an hour being a decent wage for hands on security work I can only say that 10 years ago I was on more than that so consequently thought nothing of putting my self in the firing line each weekend as my reward balanced with what was asked of me. Would I work in a club for £10 per hour ......... nope and none of the skilled operators that I worked alongside would either!

The bouncers or the club shouldn't be taking a hit for the attack - this could have happened anywhere from the dirtiest boscombe cafe to my nans back garden.

But if it is true that the door staff let the criminal go they can not be forgiven, it is their job after all.

While i am aware that that there is a certain danger in detaining a criminal of such calibre, the role of a bouncer is to oversee the safety of an event, rather than checking themselves out (or their bouncer buddies) in the mirror, with the occasional question of 'how much do you lift'.

From my experience of going out in Bournemouth i have never once found myself in trouble at a club but have seen a lot happen. Often the bouncers will provoke people for a reaction purely because of their shiny jacket and steroid problem (we can all tell, why else would you be so angry all the time).

Reading of the female bouncer being the most helpful, i am not suprised at all because they must not get so caught up in the homoerotic nature of a male bouncers job and it is good to know that atleast the women will be looking out for our safetly!

To conclude if you are a bouncer and reading this maybe pop to mums for a cuppa, give her a cuddle and watch countdown - the worst you could do is grow a few braincells-you do need them...

rozmister wrote:

Booboobear123 wrote:

Leila-A wrote:

Booboobear123 wrote:

Leila-A wrote:
Although what happened was clearly a tragic incident for the victim and his friends, it is not entirely fair to put al the blame on the club. As people have said before in a situation such as this it is very easy to become panicked, put yourself in the situation of the staff and security team it is a very stressful situation to deal with. Although some errors on the night might have taken place and could have been prevented, the security team and managers acted as quickly as they could to respond to the the incident. Most staff and security present in the lounge were told to not interfere as the matter was being dealt with by a medically trained member of security, it is not fair to slate the reputation of a club and all of the staff for an incident that could have happened in any other club. Bournemouth is witnessing an increase in violence, and people are clearly forgetting that although the club had its faults on the night the majority of the blame goes to the guy that was pathetic enough to bring a knife into a club holding over 1000 people, and the nerve that he had to hurt another person with no remorse. All of the staff were deeply saddened that this could have happened in v. A member of staff even texted the victim the following day to make sure he was alright. This is an incident that should clearly never be able to happen again.
We all hope that ben is on route to a full recovery.

Oh dear another employee of v ur place is doomed end off.

regardless of whether i am an employee of v or not, i witnessed the incident and the team did everything in their power to deal with situation promptly. I'm not trying to justify what happened merely stating that this situation could have happened anywhere.
Peoples judgements should not be influenced based on there dislike for a certain club, maybe you should set your sights towards other clubs in bournemouth which clearly lack organisation. Not to mention the fact no other club in bournemouth has welfare officers, and without the help of them on the night the victim would not have received the treatment he did.

Most your doorman are thugs on steroid.cudnt cut it as police officers or traffic wardens because of there criminal records. You forget carrs empire was set up and probably still is on drug money how much of that money do you reckon got pumped into this place or how many polish workers did he bump or moon light robberys did he commit . I think I know this bloke better then you do

Oh and as someone whose previously held an SIA license I can tell you now that certain criminal convictions mean you can't apply for an SIA license and as its illegal to work the doors without one you wouldn't be able to work any of the doors in town. The whole system was introduced to STOP criminals working the doors on any venue.

The whole SIA license thing is a con, I know of a doorman who had been "on holiday" for attempted murder and he still got his badge after appealing the no he received the 1st time he applied. I don't think it is the Doorman at fault here, obviously they only do what they are told by management. Oh & btw the Dancing Jug is owned and run by one of Richards lackeys from way back!