Bliss and Chilli White closures 'not a surprise' (From Thisisdorset)

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

speedy231278 wrote:
Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else!

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

ol'bag lady wrote:

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote: Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week. The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren. Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties. Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

Saucy git! - are you for real?

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

speedy231278 wrote:
Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else!

rozmister wrote:

speedy231278 wrote:
Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else!

Students don't go out on the weekends because they can't afford the drinks prices and their schedule means they can go out any night of the week. Students go out on weekday nights (with the exception of events at the Firestation - the SU club) and this is reflected by the fact there's no student nights with discounted drinks on the weekend!

It's local young people who are 'tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else'. People who work Monday - Friday and then let off all their steam on the weekend by wasting their money on ridiculous amounts of booze and finish the night off with a scrap in the street!

MissBournemouth wrote:
Not all of us young people get drunk and get into fights, the majority of us don't it’s the minority that do spoil it so please don’t tar us all with the same brush. Im sure when you were 18-21 you were out as and when you could with your friends enjoying a night out and yes sometimes it can be noisy but give us a break we are just enjoying ourselves and making the most of our youth before we have to settle down and get in the real world.

Clubber5206 wrote:

rozmister wrote:

speedy231278 wrote:
Good, there'll be a few less drunken students tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else!

Students don't go out on the weekends because they can't afford the drinks prices and their schedule means they can go out any night of the week. Students go out on weekday nights (with the exception of events at the Firestation - the SU club) and this is reflected by the fact there's no student nights with discounted drinks on the weekend!

It's local young people who are 'tearing up the town at weekends making life a misery for everyone else'. People who work Monday - Friday and then let off all their steam on the weekend by wasting their money on ridiculous amounts of booze and finish the night off with a scrap in the street!

I think the majority of trouble on the streets is caused by out of towners, who take advantage of cheap hotels offseason to have a messy weekend away. The problem is there are so many hotels in town, to cope with summer tourism, that it is dirt cheap offseason to drive down from Reading or London and spend the weekend getting into a state.

super_soup wrote:
The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true.

There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers!

There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba).

Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night.

Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised!

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.

super_soup wrote:
The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true.

There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers!

There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba).

Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night.

Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised!

super_soup wrote:
The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true.

There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers!

There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba).

Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night.

Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised!

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.

Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

super_soup wrote:
bbird says...
"...Jamie is different he's an honorary one"

Please don't tell me you think that Jamie Oliver provides authentic Italian food at his restaurants....

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

bbird wrote:

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.

Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?

Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.

Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?

Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.

So what was the actual problem?
You knew what the area was like because you read the Echo. The idea behind the increased security presence and measures such as having one point of entry/egress to ensure the place isn't over capacity are there to make sure people have a safe night out.
I have been to the Mary Shelley on a Friday/Saturday evening for drinks so I know what it's like; not really my cup of tea and I probably wouldn't go there for a snack at 8pm on a Friday evening. If I were the kind of person to be intimidated by "some uncouth lads in fancy dress" purely by their appearance then I would avoid the place like the plague and go to somewhere like Frankie & Benny's or a Harvester instead.

bbird wrote:

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.

Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?

Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.

So what was the actual problem?
You knew what the area was like because you read the Echo. The idea behind the increased security presence and measures such as having one point of entry/egress to ensure the place isn't over capacity are there to make sure people have a safe night out.
I have been to the Mary Shelley on a Friday/Saturday evening for drinks so I know what it's like; not really my cup of tea and I probably wouldn't go there for a snack at 8pm on a Friday evening. If I were the kind of person to be intimidated by "some uncouth lads in fancy dress" purely by their appearance then I would avoid the place like the plague and go to somewhere like Frankie & Benny's or a Harvester instead.

We were new to this otherwise wonderful town and now know better!

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

bbird wrote:

bbird wrote:

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.

Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?

Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.

So what was the actual problem?
You knew what the area was like because you read the Echo. The idea behind the increased security presence and measures such as having one point of entry/egress to ensure the place isn't over capacity are there to make sure people have a safe night out.
I have been to the Mary Shelley on a Friday/Saturday evening for drinks so I know what it's like; not really my cup of tea and I probably wouldn't go there for a snack at 8pm on a Friday evening. If I were the kind of person to be intimidated by "some uncouth lads in fancy dress" purely by their appearance then I would avoid the place like the plague and go to somewhere like Frankie & Benny's or a Harvester instead.

We were new to this otherwise wonderful town and now know better!

NB uncouth=in a manner that may be considered rude or offensive (so not "purely on appearance"). I would also add intimidating!

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

super_soup wrote:
The lazy stereotype that Bournemouth at night is a drink fuelled mass of stag and hen dos vomiting and fighting is just not true.

There are plenty of places to go to which are full of 30-60 year olds quite happily getting along and drinking out of glass containers!

There are pubs with live music (O'Neills), friendly local type places serving real ale (Daisy O'Briens, Goat and Tricycle), decent restaurants (Cuccinis, Zorbas) and Trendy bars (Slug and Lettuce, Aruba).

Yes there is a very concentrated area or bars/clubs that seem to attract the stag/hen do groups but generally I think Bournemouth is a safe and friendly environment at night.

Don't believe the sensationalist press, get out there and find the nicer places to go to! You may be surprised!

MrPitiful wrote:
Just out of interest, can any of the local "old-fogies" remember what the buildings now occupied by Bliss/Chilli Whites, Mary Shelley were in the late 80's/early 90's? I was in Bournemouth for a brief time period then but can't remember & it's something I've been asked by a student friend.

No answers anywhere on Google!

Slightly off topic but any infor on any shops/bars etc. that existed around the town centre greatly appreciated.

I can only remember Bacchus!! ( Now the Camel Bar!)

bbird wrote:

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.

Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?

Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.

Ivan Opinion wrote:

MrPitiful wrote:
Just out of interest, can any of the local "old-fogies" remember what the buildings now occupied by Bliss/Chilli Whites, Mary Shelley were in the late 80's/early 90's? I was in Bournemouth for a brief time period then but can't remember & it's something I've been asked by a student friend.

No answers anywhere on Google!

Slightly off topic but any infor on any shops/bars etc. that existed around the town centre greatly appreciated.

I can only remember Bacchus!! ( Now the Camel Bar!)

In the 90s.. chilliwhite was an empty building- mary shelley was hartleys and bliss was maples..

Holdenhurst wrote:

Ivan Opinion wrote:

MrPitiful wrote:
Just out of interest, can any of the local "old-fogies" remember what the buildings now occupied by Bliss/Chilli Whites, Mary Shelley were in the late 80's/early 90's? I was in Bournemouth for a brief time period then but can't remember & it's something I've been asked by a student friend.

No answers anywhere on Google!

Slightly off topic but any infor on any shops/bars etc. that existed around the town centre greatly appreciated.

I can only remember Bacchus!! ( Now the Camel Bar!)

In the 90s.. chilliwhite was an empty building- mary shelley was hartleys and bliss was maples..

If I recall correctly the IRA tried to firebomb Maples.

BmthNewshound wrote:
Not really surprised with this news. The bars are aimed at students and younger people who don't have much money and are struggling to make ends meet with high property rents, student loans etc.
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The safety side is also an issue. I know younger people who now socialise in Winton, Westbourne, Ashley Cross etc because the town centre isn’t safe.
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The situation isn't helped by geriatric councillors love/hate relationship with the night-time economy. St Peters Road is looking very run down but rather than encouraging investment in regeneration in established areas like St Peters Road, Old Christchurch Road, Holdenhurst Road etc, they are encouraging development on the towns car parks. If these developments go ahead they will simply shift the night time economy to a different area and exasperate the decline and decay in St Peters Road etc.
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Bournemouth’s daytime town centre economy is in terminal decline and the night-time economy is going the same way. As long as the people of Bournemouth are stupid enough to keep voting for Beesley, Filler and co the situation will only get worse. Bournemouth Council needs to take a long hard look at what is happening to the town, stop living in cloud cuckoo land and start to take responsibility before its too late.

davidhaz wrote:
Not enough bars that play rock music. Its all rap and tecno rubbish or dubstep whatever. Everywhere in town is plastic and horrible. All owned by the big chains so no character. All bland and all the same. We used to have privately owned places with character. The owners played music and bands they liked, they decorated their clubs in an original way. They attracted like minded people. Different types of people went to different places. There was probably more fights then (pre-cameras) but the papers didnt moan about it so much. There was also 30% or more clubs and bars were over 21 with a dress code. Now everywheres so desperate for business they let anyone in everywhere...... All the bars are focused on under 25s and all the bars and all the restaurants are owned by big chains with no character. To top it off what was £1.30 a pint when i started drinking is now £4 or more in places like bliss and chilli white. We need to close a few hotels and turn them into flats so we dont have so many cheap stag only hotels, close a few bars. Lower business rates so private owners can afford to run bars again and tell our government to stop taxing beer and gas n electricity to the point where the cost of running a business just isn't worth it then maybe we will have cheaper beer again. Vote ukip LibLabCon will just continue to leach off us until we're bankrupt just in time for the new global government to "rescue us" and take over!!!! rant over

Linguist wrote:

bbird wrote:

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.

Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?

Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.

bbird, i would venture to guess that you are either making that up or were rather inebriated yourself.
As i work in the night time economy i can virtually guarantee, that at 8 p.m on a friday night only the Mary Shelley, Days restaurant and Rhumbars will be open. All the other bars tend to open at about 10 p.m. There would have been very few security men and even less police as Fir Vale road would have been virtually empty.
Go down there this friday at 8 o'clock with a camera and video and prove me wrong.
As has been said above, there are a lot of people who comment on here who haven't been near the town centre since the 1970's, and have absolutely no idea what it's like.

ragj195 wrote:

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

I don't think you understand what equity is. It's the value of your home minus your outstanding mortgage and is only worth anything if you sell your house.

If you haven't got a mortgage then releasing some equity would involve either selling your home or re-mortgaging your home and taken on the subsequent or increase in monthly premiums.

Anyone that has spent 25 years paying off their mortgage has in my eyes fully earned the value of their properties. When they purchased their property 50 years ago wages were as small as the house prices.

bbird wrote:

Linguist wrote:

bbird wrote:

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.

Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?

Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.

bbird, i would venture to guess that you are either making that up or were rather inebriated yourself.
As i work in the night time economy i can virtually guarantee, that at 8 p.m on a friday night only the Mary Shelley, Days restaurant and Rhumbars will be open. All the other bars tend to open at about 10 p.m. There would have been very few security men and even less police as Fir Vale road would have been virtually empty.
Go down there this friday at 8 o'clock with a camera and video and prove me wrong.
As has been said above, there are a lot of people who comment on here who haven't been near the town centre since the 1970's, and have absolutely no idea what it's like.

The club bars may not have been open, but I can assure you that in the summer the stags are out at that time. I remember sitting in Ask (Lansdowne) early evening another time transfixed as one after another groups of fancy dressed revellers streamed down the road. Yes, many good natured & harmless, but not all. And recently on the train back from Southampton at 5/6pm, 20 or so beer swilling stags boarded - we had seen them and moved to the Quiet Carriage - yes, you guessed they joined us & were noisy & rude. Interestingly, the ticket collector didn't challenge or move them on. So we changed carriage. Hardly a good advertisement for Bournemouth & tourists who may otherwise come here & spend food money.

ABCD1 wrote:
Good news.
Lets hope it is replaced with good quality restaurant or something to deter the folk that go out on a 'social' but end up causing trouble.

Maybe it is time for Bournemouth to smarten itself up and improve the clientele.

We don't need all these drinking holes.

Happy Days

rozmister wrote:

bbird wrote:

Linguist wrote:

bbird wrote:

Bournefre wrote:

bbird wrote:
When I was 'young', town centres weren't swarming with hen & stag parties etc. On the contrary I remember nice restaurants and pleasant pubs (no chains in those days), no hooliganism or yobs. On holiday in Bournemouth, we used to safely windowshop after dinner. The few clubs were either away from the centre, or if in town I do not remember any disturbance. Why are we different from resorts in Europe where is it usually a pleasant experience in the town centre day or evening! (With the exception of anywhere the 18-30 Brits frequent).
No not tarnishing all youngsters ... Unfortunately it is the few ruining the enjoyment for the rest of us.

Whenever I go out in Bournemouth I always see groups of people walking around window shopping perfectly safely; in fact I can't remember ever reading any stories in this newspaper about window shoppers being murdered by rowdy youngsters on a Saturday evening.

The majority of venues of a certain type (loud commercial nightclubs with a lot of carpet) are centred around Fir Vale Road hence it appearing to be a crime hotspot, but considering there are no shops around there why go window shopping there apart for a reason to have a moan?

Last time we ventured into town on a Friday evening (for a snack at the Mary Shelley), within 30 mins of being there bouncers appeared on both sides of the road, queues of stag parties formed along the street, revellers already inebriated at 8pm or so, police & security patrolling the area. I asked the police if it was always like this and they said Thursday to Saturday evenings. On leaving some exits to the pub had been closed so they could control entry presumably. And walking down the street we went as fast as we could to avoid some uncouth lads in fancy dress.

bbird, i would venture to guess that you are either making that up or were rather inebriated yourself.
As i work in the night time economy i can virtually guarantee, that at 8 p.m on a friday night only the Mary Shelley, Days restaurant and Rhumbars will be open. All the other bars tend to open at about 10 p.m. There would have been very few security men and even less police as Fir Vale road would have been virtually empty.
Go down there this friday at 8 o'clock with a camera and video and prove me wrong.
As has been said above, there are a lot of people who comment on here who haven't been near the town centre since the 1970's, and have absolutely no idea what it's like.

The club bars may not have been open, but I can assure you that in the summer the stags are out at that time. I remember sitting in Ask (Lansdowne) early evening another time transfixed as one after another groups of fancy dressed revellers streamed down the road. Yes, many good natured & harmless, but not all. And recently on the train back from Southampton at 5/6pm, 20 or so beer swilling stags boarded - we had seen them and moved to the Quiet Carriage - yes, you guessed they joined us & were noisy & rude. Interestingly, the ticket collector didn't challenge or move them on. So we changed carriage. Hardly a good advertisement for Bournemouth & tourists who may otherwise come here & spend food money.

Saying that many are good natured & harmless but not all acknowledges the complete flaw in your point. The fact of the matter is there will always be a few bad eggs; whether it's people in fancy dress, older people, children, police officers, etc.

Thousands of people go out in Bournemouth every weekend it's inevitable that a handful of those people will be nasty and fight and behave in an antisocial manner.

The problem isn't that they're in fancy dress and daring to walk through the town while you eat in a restaurant - the problem is your perception of all stag/hen dos/people in fancy dress as being bad news.

Redgolfer wrote:
About the time scale of most clubs that are the ''IN'' place at the moment, plus you cannot get a Taxi after 22.00hrs outside of both venue's in the countries top 10 violent road, thanks to Cllr Filler.

Bournemouthfan2 wrote:

ABCD1 wrote:
Good news.
Lets hope it is replaced with good quality restaurant or something to deter the folk that go out on a 'social' but end up causing trouble.

Maybe it is time for Bournemouth to smarten itself up and improve the clientele.

We don't need all these drinking holes.

Happy Days

Whille ABCD1 is celebrating the closure of these clubs without a care in the world, I would like to send my condolences to those staff who now may be out of a job and will probably struggle to find another.
Bournemouth town centre stopped being a family resort years ago, my parents used to own a hotel and saw a downturn in the family market as long ago as in the 70's when cheap holidays abroad became available, hoteliers had to do something to stay in business and I guess that they had to encourage the short breaks which appeals to the younger market.
My nightclub years were during the 80's and I do not think that the town has got much worse! There were plenty of clubs around then, but now they are more concentrated in one place.
People that are posting negative comments will just have to accept that things have moved on. I do not think that the closure of most of the pubs and clubs will suddenly turn the town into a family resort.
Bournemouth now has a large student population which is being catered for by the various clubs, students are providing much needed employment in the town which is a boost during the winter times when the summer trade is not here.
Would the critical reviewers rather all these bars and clubs be shut down, leaving the staff unemployed and a further burden on the local economy? It would seem so from some of the comments!

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

MJD wrote:
What jolly good news. Lets hope a few more soon join them.

J Swain wrote:
The big issue is I guess you are all old and bored.

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:
Good riddance, I put it down to the violent chavs that run rampant. Not worth the risk, I wouldn't dare go for a night out down there, and neither would my son!

Used to love going to clubs like Berlins back in the late 90's, Bournemouth was a safe place to go out back then.

Not now, he'd rather go to an "oldskool" warehouse party reunion elsewhere in the country.

rayc wrote:

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

Any advice how I could go about that without paying a large amount of it to the Chancellor?

J Swain wrote:
Brink back Richard Carr he filled the bars before all is forgiven he still has Millions to invest

J Swain wrote:
Well we all love to hate Carr but he was responsible for both of these venues creation and they have gone downhill since he went bust so RIP.

MrPitiful wrote:
Word on the street is one of these will be back up & running by next weekend after some internal structure/refurb work - not sure how true it is.

Anyhow, plenty of folk out of work because of this at what is already a tough time.
Also, those rejoicing in the closures are a little short-sighted. Bournemouth is now firmly established as a drinking/stag & hen/party location and this Summer will see similar numbers arrive at weekends & similar numbers of uni students during the week.
These people are still going to "bar-crawl". The only difference being they will now be even more concentrated around the venues still open which to my mind increases the possibility of trouble.

Having said that, trouble in town is rare when you consider the numbers we get at weekends. Somebody on here has already stated the point that you don't get families or shoppers being attacked by drunks in Bournemouth, you just get the drinkers having fisticuffs between themselves just like in any other town in the UK on any given weekend.

ragj195 wrote:

Bournesouthmouth Downpokes wrote:
Good riddance, I put it down to the violent chavs that run rampant. Not worth the risk, I wouldn't dare go for a night out down there, and neither would my son!

Used to love going to clubs like Berlins back in the late 90's, Bournemouth was a safe place to go out back then.

Not now, he'd rather go to an "oldskool" warehouse party reunion elsewhere in the country.

You obviously took to many "trips" to Berlins, you're now suffering from paranoia!

What do you think will happen to you if you went down town now? Get mugged by someone in a Spider-Man costume? Berlins wasn't exactly trouble free.

Dibbles2 wrote:

MrPitiful wrote:
Word on the street is one of these will be back up & running by next weekend after some internal structure/refurb work - not sure how true it is.

Anyhow, plenty of folk out of work because of this at what is already a tough time.
Also, those rejoicing in the closures are a little short-sighted. Bournemouth is now firmly established as a drinking/stag & hen/party location and this Summer will see similar numbers arrive at weekends & similar numbers of uni students during the week.
These people are still going to "bar-crawl". The only difference being they will now be even more concentrated around the venues still open which to my mind increases the possibility of trouble.

Having said that, trouble in town is rare when you consider the numbers we get at weekends. Somebody on here has already stated the point that you don't get families or shoppers being attacked by drunks in Bournemouth, you just get the drinkers having fisticuffs between themselves just like in any other town in the UK on any given weekend.

HMMMMMM strange because Yellow Hammer Bars have vacated their offices. They owe businesses in Bournemouth vast amounts of money. I cant believe anyone was surpised as its been on the cards for well over a year as was HMV. I always find it strange that those at the top always still manage to maintain their lives of luxury Carr included whilst small businesses suffer.

Dibbles2 wrote:
It really does astound me that nobody has commented on the people who have lost their jobs. Those are the people who spend money in th local economy and without our pubs and clubs Bournemouth would undoubtedly become a ghost town whilst it took years to regenerate. Dont bite the hand that feeds you people. Whether you like it or not there are thousands of people in Poole and Bournemouth whos jobs are teetering on a knife edge in the current economic climate and that just in this industry. Some staff havent been paid for weeks, bills are not being paid, closures like this also put other companies out of business. But as long your alright jack!

tricky1007 wrote:
We went out to a lovey restaurant on Sat Called cristalla, Betweeen 3 of us we spent £200, I would never want to spend that sort of money in the town center because the bars are full of drunken idiots on either a stag/hen do, or the average age is 18! People do still have a few pennies to spend but they choose where to spend it. People with £5 in their pocket go to the bars in town, with drinks at a £1, those with £50 in their pockets spend it elsewhere!!

Holdenhurst wrote:

davidhaz wrote:
Not enough bars that play rock music. Its all rap and tecno rubbish or dubstep whatever. Everywhere in town is plastic and horrible. All owned by the big chains so no character. All bland and all the same. We used to have privately owned places with character. The owners played music and bands they liked, they decorated their clubs in an original way. They attracted like minded people. Different types of people went to different places. There was probably more fights then (pre-cameras) but the papers didnt moan about it so much. There was also 30% or more clubs and bars were over 21 with a dress code. Now everywheres so desperate for business they let anyone in everywhere...... All the bars are focused on under 25s and all the bars and all the restaurants are owned by big chains with no character. To top it off what was £1.30 a pint when i started drinking is now £4 or more in places like bliss and chilli white. We need to close a few hotels and turn them into flats so we dont have so many cheap stag only hotels, close a few bars. Lower business rates so private owners can afford to run bars again and tell our government to stop taxing beer and gas n electricity to the point where the cost of running a business just isn't worth it then maybe we will have cheaper beer again. Vote ukip LibLabCon will just continue to leach off us until we're bankrupt just in time for the new global government to "rescue us" and take over!!!! rant over

There are still a few places that stray away from the well worn path. The Anvil and Soundcircus are both independents and cater for the rock/metal crowd. The Winchester puts on everything from Techno (which wouldn't get played in any commercial bar) through to sixties psychedelic rock and even small scale theatre. Smokin' Aces is another independent that does things it's own way. Even Sixty Million Postcards, despite being part of a chain caters to an alternative crowd with plenty of live music.

ragj195 wrote:

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

I don't think you understand what equity is. It's the value of your home minus your outstanding mortgage and is only worth anything if you sell your house.

If you haven't got a mortgage then releasing some equity would involve either selling your home or re-mortgaging your home and taken on the subsequent or increase in monthly premiums.

Anyone that has spent 25 years paying off their mortgage has in my eyes fully earned the value of their properties. When they purchased their property 50 years ago wages were as small as the house prices.

Mike Pickering wrote:
It's as much a generational as an economic measure; the people who would spend all their disposable income on gaudy, boozy nights out at places like this and whose cash fuelled the openings of places like this at that time are now in their late 20s and early 30s, and have have enough of that life. As well as many of them having children, settling down, etc. The newer generation naturally need to distance themselves culturally from it, and many don't dress think or drink like them. Unchanged, of course, are the deliquent armies of chavs who've looked, spoken and acted the same since the 80s - sports gear, mush, foightin' - goo arn, nen - mesh - less ave ya. Unchaged and unchanging, the flotsam of the sink estates has always drifted into the town center, making up 5% of the footfall but responsible for 50% of the fights, 90% of which they start. You can spot them a mile off. Hooray students might be rude and thoughtless, people dressed up like firemen or scooby doo might have sick on them and chant nonsense, but what anyone who has ever been out regularly in the town over the last 30 years can tell you is that what you have to watch for are the younger locals whose world and outlook consists of their status within a few streets' radius which they attain and maintain with reputations for violence when in town, attacking people they perceive as middle-class, office workers, students, tourists.
As was ever thus, in pubs, discos, on the beach, in the gardens, even in the old Ice Rink this crude pantomime took place.
I, is talkin to you, mush - why int you luckin at me, mush, eh ? eh? What you lookin at, mush ?
et cetera, et bloddy cetera.

O'Reilly wrote:

l'anglais wrote:

aerolover wrote:
Perhaps the owners now realise that the country is in resession and people don't have the money to go on the p*** 7 nights a week.
The only ones who have any spare money are the people in their 60's who work and don't have a mortgage but they don't go into the town because of all the drunks fighting.

Yeah but the old foggies could release some of the equity tied up in their property and give it to their Kids and Grandchildren.
Let's face it how many pensioners have actually earned the value of their properties.
Release some of that unearned cash into the economy.

No chance baby! We are spending the inheritance.... so, do one froggie!

MissBournemouth wrote:
Not all of us young people get drunk and get into fights, the majority of us don't it’s the minority that do spoil it so please don’t tar us all with the same brush. Im sure when you were 18-21 you were out as and when you could with your friends enjoying a night out and yes sometimes it can be noisy but give us a break we are just enjoying ourselves and making the most of our youth before we have to settle down and get in the real world.