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| OFFICERS HURT: Police say more officers should carry Taser guns for their own protection |
POLICE are calling for more officers to be armed with stun guns after the Daily Echo revealed their shocking injury toll.
Clive Chamberlain, chairman of the Dorset Police Federation, said more officers need to be equipped with Taser for their protection.
Figures obtained by the Daily Echo under the Freedom of Information Act show hundreds of Dorset's police officers are injured every year in the course of their duties.
Officers picked up 497 injuries in 2006/07.
Although the number of injuries has decreased, the number of serious injuries requiring officers to take at least three days off work has increased. In 2006/07 there were 48 cases which needed that length of time off, compared with 40 and 41 in the two previous years.
There were six cases of police officers needing at least three days off work because of stress or related conditions.
There were 125 incidents of Dorset police officers being assaulted and 87 were injured when trying to arrest someone. Eight were injured by animals and one of these required at least three days off work to recover.
Ten police officers were bitten, two head-butted, three were knifed, 21 were punched, ten kicked, three spat at and one injured when a home-made firearm exploded in a police car.
Mr Chamberlain said: "Police officers show bravery every day. But they bleed, bruise and suffer like anyone else. They are often dealing with people who are volatile by nature and you never know what is around the corner.
"If you visit Bournemouth at 2am on a Friday or Saturday you see what police are trying to control and make safe. I would like to see more police equipped with Taser for their protection.
"But it is not just physical injuries. One of my colleagues had his own car set on fire in the middle of the night, then rolled into his garage setting his house on fire. Although he was not injured he had to flee with his family."
Research carried out by MP Grant Shapps in 2006 showed that nationally a police officer is assaulted every 20 minutes and that one in six officers have been assaulted while on duty.
There is also a reported increase in vehicles being used as weapons against police officers.
5:53am Wednesday 26th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown on 7:42am Wed 26 Mar 08
Perhaps if offenders were actually punished there would not be a need for stun guns. Yesterday the Echo reported that two scumbags received 12 months each for "glassing" people in Bournemouth, one victim is scarred for life - they should have received 12 years. No doubt these two pieces of scum will be out walking the streets within 6 months causing trouble again. The authorities need to remove these people from our streets for good. Sack the sub prime do-gooders and spend the money on building more prisons.
Perhaps if offenders were actually punished there would not be a need for stun guns. Yesterday the Echo reported that two scumbags received 12 months each for "glassing" people in Bournemouth, one victim is scarred for life - they should have received 12 years. No doubt these two pieces of scum will be out walking the streets within 6 months causing trouble again. The authorities need to remove these people from our streets for good. Sack the sub prime do-gooders and spend the money on building more prisons.
Posted by: derek, dorset on 8:01am Wed 26 Mar 08
"No doubt these two pieces of scum will be out walking the streets within 6 months causing trouble again"
That long ?
"No doubt these two pieces of scum will be out walking the streets within 6 months causing trouble again"
That long ?
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 8:06am Wed 26 Mar 08
Yes 12mnths for glassing seems quite ridiculous. Because it is quite ridiculous.
But the police already have pepper spray. This EXACT same argument was used to introduce that. Now the same reasons are being used again. I think this is reason to be very cautious. There have been many very worrying cases where stun guns have been used to subdue argumentative suspects. Or drunk suspects. Or people having diabetic incidents! Stun guns were originally supposed to be only an alternative to a fatal gunshot.
Yes 12mnths for glassing seems quite ridiculous. Because it is quite ridiculous.
But the police already have pepper spray. This EXACT same argument was used to introduce that. Now the same reasons are being used again. I think this is reason to be very cautious. There have been many very worrying cases where stun guns have been used to subdue argumentative suspects. Or drunk suspects. Or people having diabetic incidents! Stun guns were originally supposed to be only an alternative to a fatal gunshot.
Posted by: avatar, Bournemouth/London on 8:45am Wed 26 Mar 08
Punishment = Glass them, see how they like it!!!
Punishment = Glass them, see how they like it!!!
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 8:48am Wed 26 Mar 08
Why tasers? Why not give them phasers put onto 'stun'. I have seen these on Star Trek and they are [bold]very effective[/bold] . And they are much smaller and easier to carry.
Why tasers? Why not give them phasers put onto 'stun'. I have seen these on Star Trek and they are
very effective . And they are much smaller and easier to carry.
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 8:51am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]avatar[/bold] wrote:
Punishment = Glass them, see how they like it!!![/quote] Or scourging perhaps ?
avatar wrote:
Punishment = Glass them, see how they like it!!!
Or scourging perhaps ?
Posted by: Maria, christchurch on 9:24am Wed 26 Mar 08
STUN GUNS,How long before the do-gooders are out in force spouting their usual gabage wouldn't want to infringe on all the human rights of the poor little yobs, and God Forbid, you might just hurt them. Roll on a load of claims about mis-use and counselling for the poor little yobs themselves. Problem in a nutshell, majority of kids these days have no father figure or if they do it's usualy 1 in a long line of many, also we are in a nanny state where disciplining your own child can lead to a conviction. No Respect for anything or anyone. Wise up Britain, lets geat some DISCIPLINE back. Give the Police more powers, longer sentencing and then perhaps we might go back to being GREAT Britain.
STUN GUNS,How long before the do-gooders are out in force spouting their usual gabage wouldn't want to infringe on all the human rights of the poor little yobs, and God Forbid, you might just hurt them. Roll on a load of claims about mis-use and counselling for the poor little yobs themselves. Problem in a nutshell, majority of kids these days have no father figure or if they do it's usualy 1 in a long line of many, also we are in a nanny state where disciplining your own child can lead to a conviction. No Respect for anything or anyone. Wise up Britain, lets geat some DISCIPLINE back. Give the Police more powers, longer sentencing and then perhaps we might go back to being GREAT Britain.
Posted by: oscar99, bournemouth on 9:40am Wed 26 Mar 08
why not just do what the yanks do and the s?it ot of them if that dousnt work shot them works there
why not just do what the yanks do and the s?it ot of them if that dousnt work shot them works there
Posted by: oscar99, bournemouth on 9:42am Wed 26 Mar 08
thats beat the s+it out of them
thats beat the s+it out of them
Posted by: 2Much, New Forest on 9:56am Wed 26 Mar 08
I'm of the opinion that if you break the law you immediately lose your human rights.
Police are on the streets to make it safe for people like us...
I'm of the opinion that if you break the law you immediately lose your human rights.
Police are on the streets to make it safe for people like us...
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 10:29am Wed 26 Mar 08
WHAT A SUPRISE IF YOU HAD ONE OF THESE FIRED AT YOU WHILST MAKING A CALL ON YOUR MOBILE WHEN DRIVING YOUR CAR - INSTANT RESULT - PERFECT
WHAT A SUPRISE IF YOU HAD ONE OF THESE FIRED AT YOU WHILST MAKING A CALL ON YOUR MOBILE WHEN DRIVING YOUR CAR - INSTANT RESULT - PERFECT
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 10:31am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]oscar99[/bold] wrote:
why not just do what the yanks do and the s?it ot of them if that dousnt work shot them works there [/quote] dont you read your posts before you send them ? what is this load of mis-spelt rubbish
oscar99 wrote:
why not just do what the yanks do and the s?it ot of them if that dousnt work shot them works there
dont you read your posts before you send them ? what is this load of mis-spelt rubbish
Posted by: E.L.M., Dorset on 10:52am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]muffin the mule[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]oscar99[/bold] wrote: why not just do what the yanks do and the s?it ot of them if that dousnt work shot them works there [/quote] dont you read your posts before you send them ? what is this load of mis-spelt rubbish [/quote] Oscar has probably just been stunned.
muffin the mule wrote:
oscar99 wrote: why not just do what the yanks do and the s?it ot of them if that dousnt work shot them works there
dont you read your posts before you send them ? what is this load of mis-spelt rubbish
Oscar has probably just been stunned.
Posted by: sancassani, Bournemouth on 11:46am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]HAL101[/bold] wrote:
Why tasers? Why not give them phasers put onto 'stun'. I have seen these on Star Trek and they are [bold]very effective[/bold] . And they are much smaller and easier to carry. [/quote] What absolute rubbish...you need to put your phasers on the other setting the one where they disappear forever, then there would be no need for a valueable place in prison for them.
HAL101 wrote:
Why tasers? Why not give them phasers put onto 'stun'. I have seen these on Star Trek and they are very effective . And they are much smaller and easier to carry.
What absolute rubbish...you need to put your phasers on the other setting the one where they disappear forever, then there would be no need for a valueable place in prison for them.
Posted by: sancassani, Bournemouth on 11:59am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]oscar99[/bold] wrote:
why not just do what the yanks do and the s?it ot of them if that dousnt work shot them works there [/quote] maybe Oscar99 is dyslexic?? but I agree with his comments. Once I saw a yank police officer threaten to arrest a guy for having his stereo on too loud in his car...not surprising he was playing some rubbish rap music... give me Led Zep anyday, anyway he turned it down.
oscar99 wrote:
why not just do what the yanks do and the s?it ot of them if that dousnt work shot them works there
maybe Oscar99 is dyslexic?? but I agree with his comments. Once I saw a yank police officer threaten to arrest a guy for having his stereo on too loud in his car...not surprising he was playing some rubbish rap music... give me Led Zep anyday, anyway he turned it down.
Posted by: Erica Monk, Australia on 12:05pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Human right will have their say no doubt as they always do. They have gotten out of control the idiots. I agree let them have tasers, the Police have guns here too & they are never ever used without major provocation. Tasers would be far better for my England our England needs some major changes & that starts with the judicial system like one person said there, if the judges put these scum bags away then half these crimes wouldn't be happening.
Human right will have their say no doubt as they always do. They have gotten out of control the idiots. I agree let them have tasers, the Police have guns here too & they are never ever used without major provocation. Tasers would be far better for my England our England needs some major changes & that starts with the judicial system like one person said there, if the judges put these scum bags away then half these crimes wouldn't be happening.
Posted by: HAL101, Bournemouth on 12:12pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]sancassani[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]HAL101[/bold] wrote: Why tasers? Why not give them phasers put onto 'stun'. I have seen these on Star Trek and they are [bold]very effective[/bold] . And they are much smaller and easier to carry. [/quote] What absolute rubbish...you need to put your phasers on the other setting the one where they disappear forever, then there would be no need for a valueable place in prison for them.[/quote] It is you who are writing rubbish !!!!!!!!!
You can't go making people disappear forever. What about the funeral directors livihoods ??!!
Get real !
sancassani wrote:
HAL101 wrote: Why tasers? Why not give them phasers put onto 'stun'. I have seen these on Star Trek and they are very effective . And they are much smaller and easier to carry.
What absolute rubbish...you need to put your phasers on the other setting the one where they disappear forever, then there would be no need for a valueable place in prison for them.
It is you who are writing rubbish !!!!!!!!!
You can't go making people disappear forever. What about the funeral directors livihoods ??!!
Get real !
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 12:39pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]2Much[/bold] wrote:
I'm of the opinion that if you break the law you immediately lose your human rights.
Police are on the streets to make it safe for people like us...[/quote] Sorry to shatter your monochrome view of the world... but do you think that you should immediately lose your human rights if the police [bold]suspect[/bold] you of breaking the law?
If you do not, and I hope you can see the very serious problem with it, then your comment has no basis in the real world. Because the police do not always know that suspects have definately broken the law. And it is unfair to burden them with that judgement.
I believe today that most police carry pepper spray and batons. Only armed response units carry stun guns. I think that is a good balance. Perhaps better training in the existing weapons could reduce injury? Before we start to dish out a third.
2Much wrote:
I'm of the opinion that if you break the law you immediately lose your human rights.
Police are on the streets to make it safe for people like us...
Sorry to shatter your monochrome view of the world... but do you think that you should immediately lose your human rights if the police
suspect you of breaking the law?
If you do not, and I hope you can see the very serious problem with it, then your comment has no basis in the real world. Because the police do not always know that suspects have definately broken the law. And it is unfair to burden them with that judgement.
I believe today that most police carry pepper spray and batons. Only armed response units carry stun guns. I think that is a good balance. Perhaps better training in the existing weapons could reduce injury? Before we start to dish out a third.
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 12:40pm Wed 26 Mar 08
We need the Laws changing back to where they once were to get this country back on track. [bold]Bring back hanging, and Nation Service[/bold] .
Just a few cases of where these Stun guns have been used with fatal consequences at times:
[bold]Copy paste[/bold] link into browser:
http://uk.geocities.
com/tasknews/page_2_
hot_topics.htm
1 Pregnant woman 'Shot By Taser Gun' by police is convicted
2 Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample
3 Man Shocked With Taser Stun Gun 9 Times Dies
4 74 people shot dead by police Stun Guns
5 Tasers used 6 times in fatal arrest
6 Taser said to target home use
7 UK's Police train in taser use
[bold]The Great American Way[/bold]
We need the Laws changing back to where they once were to get this country back on track.
Bring back hanging, and Nation Service .
Just a few cases of where these Stun guns have been used with fatal consequences at times:
Copy paste link into browser:
http://uk.geocities.
com/tasknews/page_2_
hot_topics.htm
1 Pregnant woman 'Shot By Taser Gun' by police is convicted
2 Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample
3 Man Shocked With Taser Stun Gun 9 Times Dies
4 74 people shot dead by police Stun Guns
5 Tasers used 6 times in fatal arrest
6 Taser said to target home use
7 UK's Police train in taser use
The Great American Way
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 2:01pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Carl Barron[/bold] wrote:
We need the Laws changing back to where they once were to get this country back on track. [bold]Bring back hanging, and Nation Service[/bold] .
Just a few cases of where these Stun guns have been used with fatal consequences at times:
[bold]Copy paste[/bold] link into browser:
http://uk.geocities.
com/tasknews/page_2_
hot_topics.htm
1 Pregnant woman 'Shot By Taser Gun' by police is convicted
2 Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample
3 Man Shocked With Taser Stun Gun 9 Times Dies
4 74 people shot dead by police Stun Guns
5 Tasers used 6 times in fatal arrest
6 Taser said to target home use
7 UK's Police train in taser use
[bold]The Great American Way[/bold]
[/quote] ALONG WITH OSCAR99 ,YOURE ANOTHER SAD CASE WITH YOUR PSEUDO INTELLECT YOU COULD EVEN BORE SOMEONE WHO IS BORING
Carl Barron wrote:
We need the Laws changing back to where they once were to get this country back on track. Bring back hanging, and Nation Service .
Just a few cases of where these Stun guns have been used with fatal consequences at times:
Copy paste link into browser:
http://uk.geocities.
com/tasknews/page_2_
hot_topics.htm
1 Pregnant woman 'Shot By Taser Gun' by police is convicted
2 Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample
3 Man Shocked With Taser Stun Gun 9 Times Dies
4 74 people shot dead by police Stun Guns
5 Tasers used 6 times in fatal arrest
6 Taser said to target home use
7 UK's Police train in taser use
The Great American Way
ALONG WITH OSCAR99 ,YOURE ANOTHER SAD CASE WITH YOUR PSEUDO INTELLECT YOU COULD EVEN BORE SOMEONE WHO IS BORING
Posted by: the owl, Bere Regis on 2:01pm Wed 26 Mar 08
If all the teenagers are in the forces and all the post offices shut, how can the mums send em a postal order.
If all the teenagers are in the forces and all the post offices shut, how can the mums send em a postal order.
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 2:02pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Carl Barron[/bold] wrote:
We need the Laws changing back to where they once were to get this country back on track. [bold]Bring back hanging, and Nation Service[/bold] .
Just a few cases of where these Stun guns have been used with fatal consequences at times:
[bold]Copy paste[/bold] link into browser:
http://uk.geocities.
com/tasknews/page_2_
hot_topics.htm
1 Pregnant woman 'Shot By Taser Gun' by police is convicted
2 Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample
3 Man Shocked With Taser Stun Gun 9 Times Dies
4 74 people shot dead by police Stun Guns
5 Tasers used 6 times in fatal arrest
6 Taser said to target home use
7 UK's Police train in taser use
[bold]The Great American Way[/bold]
[/quote] ALONG WITH OSCAR99 ,YOURE ANOTHER SAD CASE WITH YOUR PSEUDO INTELLECT YOU COULD EVEN BORE SOMEONE WHO IS BORING
Carl Barron wrote:
We need the Laws changing back to where they once were to get this country back on track. Bring back hanging, and Nation Service .
Just a few cases of where these Stun guns have been used with fatal consequences at times:
Copy paste link into browser:
http://uk.geocities.
com/tasknews/page_2_
hot_topics.htm
1 Pregnant woman 'Shot By Taser Gun' by police is convicted
2 Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample
3 Man Shocked With Taser Stun Gun 9 Times Dies
4 74 people shot dead by police Stun Guns
5 Tasers used 6 times in fatal arrest
6 Taser said to target home use
7 UK's Police train in taser use
The Great American Way
ALONG WITH OSCAR99 ,YOURE ANOTHER SAD CASE WITH YOUR PSEUDO INTELLECT YOU COULD EVEN BORE SOMEONE WHO IS BORING
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 2:02pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Carl Barron[/bold] wrote:
We need the Laws changing back to where they once were to get this country back on track. [bold]Bring back hanging, and Nation Service[/bold] .
Just a few cases of where these Stun guns have been used with fatal consequences at times:
[bold]Copy paste[/bold] link into browser:
http://uk.geocities.
com/tasknews/page_2_
hot_topics.htm
1 Pregnant woman 'Shot By Taser Gun' by police is convicted
2 Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample
3 Man Shocked With Taser Stun Gun 9 Times Dies
4 74 people shot dead by police Stun Guns
5 Tasers used 6 times in fatal arrest
6 Taser said to target home use
7 UK's Police train in taser use
[bold]The Great American Way[/bold]
[/quote] ALONG WITH OSCAR99 ,YOURE ANOTHER SAD CASE WITH YOUR PSEUDO INTELLECT YOU COULD EVEN BORE SOMEONE WHO IS BORING
Carl Barron wrote:
We need the Laws changing back to where they once were to get this country back on track. Bring back hanging, and Nation Service .
Just a few cases of where these Stun guns have been used with fatal consequences at times:
Copy paste link into browser:
http://uk.geocities.
com/tasknews/page_2_
hot_topics.htm
1 Pregnant woman 'Shot By Taser Gun' by police is convicted
2 Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample
3 Man Shocked With Taser Stun Gun 9 Times Dies
4 74 people shot dead by police Stun Guns
5 Tasers used 6 times in fatal arrest
6 Taser said to target home use
7 UK's Police train in taser use
The Great American Way
ALONG WITH OSCAR99 ,YOURE ANOTHER SAD CASE WITH YOUR PSEUDO INTELLECT YOU COULD EVEN BORE SOMEONE WHO IS BORING
Posted by: Ian, Bournemouth on 2:13pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]HAL101[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]sancassani[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]HAL101[/bold] wrote: Why tasers? Why not give them phasers put onto 'stun'. I have seen these on Star Trek and they are [bold]very effective[/bold] . And they are much smaller and easier to carry. [/quote] What absolute rubbish...you need to put your phasers on the other setting the one where they disappear forever, then there would be no need for a valueable place in prison for them.[/quote] It is you who are writing rubbish !!!!!!!!! You can't go making people disappear forever. What about the funeral directors livihoods ??!! Get real ![/quote] Make the funeral directors are the suppliers of the phasers!
HAL101 wrote:
sancassani wrote: HAL101 wrote: Why tasers? Why not give them phasers put onto 'stun'. I have seen these on Star Trek and they are very effective . And they are much smaller and easier to carry.
What absolute rubbish...you need to put your phasers on the other setting the one where they disappear forever, then there would be no need for a valueable place in prison for them.
It is you who are writing rubbish !!!!!!!!! You can't go making people disappear forever. What about the funeral directors livihoods ??!! Get real !
Make the funeral directors are the suppliers of the phasers!
Posted by: silky, Bournemouth on 2:13pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Carl Barron[/bold] wrote:
We need the Laws changing back to where they once were to get this country back on track. [bold]Bring back hanging, and Nation Service[/bold] . Just a few cases of where these Stun guns have been used with fatal consequences at times: [bold]Copy paste[/bold] link into browser: http://uk.geocities. com/tasknews/page_2_ hot_topics.htm 1 Pregnant woman 'Shot By Taser Gun' by police is convicted 2 Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample 3 Man Shocked With Taser Stun Gun 9 Times Dies 4 74 people shot dead by police Stun Guns 5 Tasers used 6 times in fatal arrest 6 Taser said to target home use 7 UK's Police train in taser use [bold]The Great American Way[/bold] [/quote] I'm deliberately NOT going to read the article "Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample ". I am happy to ponder over the amusing image in my head for a while.......
Carl Barron wrote:
We need the Laws changing back to where they once were to get this country back on track. Bring back hanging, and Nation Service . Just a few cases of where these Stun guns have been used with fatal consequences at times: Copy paste link into browser: http://uk.geocities. com/tasknews/page_2_ hot_topics.htm 1 Pregnant woman 'Shot By Taser Gun' by police is convicted 2 Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample 3 Man Shocked With Taser Stun Gun 9 Times Dies 4 74 people shot dead by police Stun Guns 5 Tasers used 6 times in fatal arrest 6 Taser said to target home use 7 UK's Police train in taser use The Great American Way
I'm deliberately NOT going to read the article "Hospital Patient hit with Taser to force Urine Sample ". I am happy to ponder over the amusing image in my head for a while.......
Posted by: denis, bournemouth on 2:51pm Wed 26 Mar 08
It's about time police were given the protection & support they so readily need to be protected whilst they are carrying out their duties. Let's start by the Courts supporting the officers and giving the offenders decent sentences and make sure they serve the sentences to the full and not released almost before they go to prison.
It's about time police were given the protection & support they so readily need to be protected whilst they are carrying out their duties. Let's start by the Courts supporting the officers and giving the offenders decent sentences and make sure they serve the sentences to the full and not released almost before they go to prison.
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 3:03pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 2:01pm today
[bold]Quote[/bold]
ALONG WITH OSCAR99 ,YOURE ANOTHER SAD CASE WITH YOUR PSEUDO INTELLECT YOU COULD EVEN BORE SOMEONE WHO IS BORING
[bold]Reply[/bold] [italic]Jealousy, Jealousy, Jealousy.[/italic] For someone who can't post without being rude to one and all, your handle [bold]'muffin the mule'[/bold] clearly states [bold]your level of intellect[/bold] .
Still trying to work out how to [bold]Copy paste into browser are you,[/bold] have to wait to youngsters get home. [italic]I expect?[/italic]
[italic]Soooo, Sad![/italic]
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 2:01pm today
Quote
ALONG WITH OSCAR99 ,YOURE ANOTHER SAD CASE WITH YOUR PSEUDO INTELLECT YOU COULD EVEN BORE SOMEONE WHO IS BORING
Reply Jealousy, Jealousy, Jealousy. For someone who can't post without being rude to one and all, your handle
'muffin the mule' clearly states
your level of intellect .
Still trying to work out how to
Copy paste into browser are you, have to wait to youngsters get home.
I expect?
Soooo, Sad!
Posted by: fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown on 3:25pm Wed 26 Mar 08
I thought "muffin the mule" was illegal - send in the tasers :-)
I thought "muffin the mule" was illegal - send in the tasers :-)
Posted by: paul, poole on 4:06pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Use the army, use Cattle prods, use anything that will control.
Use the army, use Cattle prods, use anything that will control.
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 5:20pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Carl Barron[/bold] wrote:
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 2:01pm today
[bold]Quote[/bold]
ALONG WITH OSCAR99 ,YOURE ANOTHER SAD CASE WITH YOUR PSEUDO INTELLECT YOU COULD EVEN BORE SOMEONE WHO IS BORING
[bold]Reply[/bold] [italic]Jealousy, Jealousy, Jealousy.[/italic] For someone who can't post without being rude to one and all, your handle [bold]'muffin the mule'[/bold] clearly states [bold]your level of intellect[/bold] .
Still trying to work out how to [bold]Copy paste into browser are you,[/bold] have to wait to youngsters get home. [italic]I expect?[/italic]
[italic]Soooo, Sad![/italic]
[/quote] WELL THATS CONFIRMED IT
Carl Barron wrote:
Posted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 2:01pm today
Quote
ALONG WITH OSCAR99 ,YOURE ANOTHER SAD CASE WITH YOUR PSEUDO INTELLECT YOU COULD EVEN BORE SOMEONE WHO IS BORING
Reply Jealousy, Jealousy, Jealousy. For someone who can't post without being rude to one and all, your handle 'muffin the mule' clearly states your level of intellect .
Still trying to work out how to Copy paste into browser are you, have to wait to youngsters get home. I expect?
Soooo, Sad!
WELL THATS CONFIRMED IT
Posted by: oscar99, bournemouth on 5:31pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]E.L.M.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]muffin the mule[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]oscar99[/bold] wrote: why not just do what the yanks do and the s?it ot of them if that dousnt work shot them works there [/quote] dont you read your posts before you send them ? what is this load of mis-spelt rubbish [/quote] Oscar has probably just been stunned.[/quote] sorry was in a rush do what the yanks do beat the hell out of them and or shoot them it works there
you dont get 15 year old giving or laying down the law there look at the local yobs in townsend they dont care about the police and think they are above the law once shot by a taser im sure they will see whos the boss
E.L.M. wrote:
muffin the mule wrote: oscar99 wrote: why not just do what the yanks do and the s?it ot of them if that dousnt work shot them works there
dont you read your posts before you send them ? what is this load of mis-spelt rubbish
Oscar has probably just been stunned.
sorry was in a rush do what the yanks do beat the hell out of them and or shoot them it works there
you dont get 15 year old giving or laying down the law there look at the local yobs in townsend they dont care about the police and think they are above the law once shot by a taser im sure they will see whos the boss
Posted by: norbitonpaul on 5:54pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Look forward to Bournemouth plod appointing a helf 'n safety directorate to advise and monitor on the further use of tasers.
Look forward to Bournemouth plod appointing a helf 'n safety directorate to advise and monitor on the further use of tasers.
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 5:58pm Wed 26 Mar 08
The only comment I have regarding this issue, is. Bring in the Tazer guns and calm down some on this column.
Seriously though. On any issue regarding Police, Arrests, Support, Armed or Unarmed. Until the Government, CPS and the Judicial System supports our Police, it is not going to make any difference at all. Plus as already mentioned there is the human rights factor to consider. Guarantee it will be enforced by those who are stunned, or the "you can not hurt my son" parents.
The only comment I have regarding this issue, is. Bring in the Tazer guns and calm down some on this column.
Seriously though. On any issue regarding Police, Arrests, Support, Armed or Unarmed. Until the Government, CPS and the Judicial System supports our Police, it is not going to make any difference at all. Plus as already mentioned there is the human rights factor to consider. Guarantee it will be enforced by those who are stunned, or the "you can not hurt my son" parents.
Posted by: tonyb, bournemouth on 6:17pm Wed 26 Mar 08
After the TWO Murders in Holdenhurst Rd the Police and the High Ranking Councillors stated that our town centre was SAFE!!
Are we missing something here? Who is telling the truth?
After the TWO Murders in Holdenhurst Rd the Police and the High Ranking Councillors stated that our town centre was SAFE!!
Are we missing something here? Who is telling the truth?
Posted by: kinson res, kinson on 11:04pm Wed 26 Mar 08
taser these stupid people who reply to others comments continually,maybe the jolt could also help their spelling maybe?dowt it ;)
taser these stupid people who reply to others comments continually,maybe the jolt could also help their spelling maybe?dowt it ;)
Posted by: 2Much, New Forest on 6:48am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]2Much[/bold] wrote:
I'm of the opinion that if you break the law you immediately lose your human rights.
Police are on the streets to make it safe for people like us...[/quote] Sorry to shatter your monochrome view of the world... but do you think that you should immediately lose your human rights if the police [bold]suspect[/bold] you of breaking the law?
If you do not, and I hope you can see the very serious problem with it, then your comment has no basis in the real world. Because the police do not always know that suspects have definately broken the law. And it is unfair to burden them with that judgement.
I believe today that most police carry pepper spray and batons. Only armed response units carry stun guns. I think that is a good balance. Perhaps better training in the existing weapons could reduce injury? Before we start to dish out a third.
[/quote] So..the police would "suspect" someone then use their gun?...don't think so...surely the police would only use it when the need arises..eg: violent behaviour.
You only have to look at countries like Spain and France, where even traffic police carry real guns, people have a respect for the law and the police...you could, i suppose call it a fear, but whatever it is, it works!
Your view might be that i have a monochrome view of the world...if monochrome is wanting t****** dished a little of their own treatment..then so be it!
PokesdownMark wrote:
2Much wrote:
I'm of the opinion that if you break the law you immediately lose your human rights.
Police are on the streets to make it safe for people like us...
Sorry to shatter your monochrome view of the world... but do you think that you should immediately lose your human rights if the police suspect you of breaking the law?
If you do not, and I hope you can see the very serious problem with it, then your comment has no basis in the real world. Because the police do not always know that suspects have definately broken the law. And it is unfair to burden them with that judgement.
I believe today that most police carry pepper spray and batons. Only armed response units carry stun guns. I think that is a good balance. Perhaps better training in the existing weapons could reduce injury? Before we start to dish out a third.
So..the police would "suspect" someone then use their gun?...don't think so...surely the police would only use it when the need arises..eg: violent behaviour.
You only have to look at countries like Spain and France, where even traffic police carry real guns, people have a respect for the law and the police...you could, i suppose call it a fear, but whatever it is, it works!
Your view might be that i have a monochrome view of the world...if monochrome is wanting t****** dished a little of their own treatment..then so be it!
Posted by: Maria, christchurch on 7:06am Thu 27 Mar 08
2 Much, If you go into Bournemouth on a Friday or Saturday Night, you will see for yourself why these guns are a good idea. I disagree that the statement that the Police will use them against "suspects" that may be innocent. These are an immediate response to a violent situation. I work in Accident and Emergency and I see week in week out what these stupid yobs are capable of. I wouldn't want to be a police officer for any ammount of money, with the abuse they have to put up with. Prehaps you would prefer the Police to wrap these offenders in cotton wool and escort them to a nice five star police cell.
2 Much, If you go into Bournemouth on a Friday or Saturday Night, you will see for yourself why these guns are a good idea. I disagree that the statement that the Police will use them against "suspects" that may be innocent. These are an immediate response to a violent situation. I work in Accident and Emergency and I see week in week out what these stupid yobs are capable of. I wouldn't want to be a police officer for any ammount of money, with the abuse they have to put up with. Prehaps you would prefer the Police to wrap these offenders in cotton wool and escort them to a nice five star police cell.
Posted by: Maria, christchurch on 7:14am Thu 27 Mar 08
I apologise, my post was in reply to Pokesdown Mark's comments and I am in total agreement with 2 much from the New Forest:)
I apologise, my post was in reply to Pokesdown Mark's comments and I am in total agreement with 2 much from the New Forest:)
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 9:10am Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]So..the police would "suspect" someone then use their gun?...don't think so...surely the police would only use it when the need arises..eg: violent behaviour.[/quote]
well thats not what your first said and not what I was commenting on. You said that you thought that people who commit crimes should immediately lose their human rights. I am just pointing out that in most circumstances the police arrive after a crime has been committed and do not know that one or more individuals have broken the law. They may [bold]suspect[/bold] but they do not [bold]know[/bold] . See the difference? So it would be crazy to give police powers to deem that a person should have their human rights removed. Thats all I'm saying.
The ability to really understand how policy decisions play out in the real world is crucial. Its, sadly, an ability that politicians and other policy makers often seem to sadly lack.
So..the police would "suspect" someone then use their gun?...don't think so...surely the police would only use it when the need arises..eg: violent behaviour.
well thats not what your first said and not what I was commenting on. You said that you thought that people who commit crimes should immediately lose their human rights. I am just pointing out that in most circumstances the police arrive after a crime has been committed and do not know that one or more individuals have broken the law. They may
suspect but they do not
know . See the difference? So it would be crazy to give police powers to deem that a person should have their human rights removed. Thats all I'm saying.
The ability to really understand how policy decisions play out in the real world is crucial. Its, sadly, an ability that politicians and other policy makers often seem to sadly lack.
Posted by: 2Much, New Forest on 1:11pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote:
[quote]So..the police would "suspect" someone then use their gun?...don't think so...surely the police would only use it when the need arises..eg: violent behaviour.[/quote] well thats not what your first said and not what I was commenting on. You said that you thought that people who commit crimes should immediately lose their human rights. I am just pointing out that in most circumstances the police arrive after a crime has been committed and do not know that one or more individuals have broken the law. They may [bold]suspect[/bold] but they do not [bold]know[/bold] . See the difference? So it would be crazy to give police powers to deem that a person should have their human rights removed. Thats all I'm saying. The ability to really understand how policy decisions play out in the real world is crucial. Its, sadly, an ability that politicians and other policy makers often seem to sadly lack. [/quote] No worries Maria...i got what you meant..as for you saying you wouldn't do a police officer's job..i actually admire you people who do yours...especially on New Yrs Eve etc!
Mark..if the police are turning up after a crime..the guns wouldn't be an issue would they? If someone is behaving like an animal, then that's how they should be treated.
I've seen a drink driver pulled over, and it took 11 police officers to sit on him to restrain him..then he tries to sue the police for man handling..total muppet who should have been stunned.
PokesdownMark wrote:
So..the police would "suspect" someone then use their gun?...don't think so...surely the police would only use it when the need arises..eg: violent behaviour.
well thats not what your first said and not what I was commenting on. You said that you thought that people who commit crimes should immediately lose their human rights. I am just pointing out that in most circumstances the police arrive after a crime has been committed and do not know that one or more individuals have broken the law. They may suspect but they do not know . See the difference? So it would be crazy to give police powers to deem that a person should have their human rights removed. Thats all I'm saying. The ability to really understand how policy decisions play out in the real world is crucial. Its, sadly, an ability that politicians and other policy makers often seem to sadly lack.
No worries Maria...i got what you meant..as for you saying you wouldn't do a police officer's job..i actually admire you people who do yours...especially on New Yrs Eve etc!
Mark..if the police are turning up after a crime..the guns wouldn't be an issue would they? If someone is behaving like an animal, then that's how they should be treated.
I've seen a drink driver pulled over, and it took 11 police officers to sit on him to restrain him..then he tries to sue the police for man handling..total muppet who should have been stunned.
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 2:31pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]Mark..if the police are turning up after a crime..the guns wouldn't be an issue would they?[/quote]
You really don't think so do you?! Just [italic]think[/italic] about it! Police turn up to a situation where there has been a violent incident... with highly wound up people still on scene. The police do not know if they are dealing with victim or the person who has been violent. Allegations are flying. Tempers lost. You are suggesting that they would not use their guns if people do not do what they are told? ok so you'll say that they should do what they are told, right? Well I've seen a number of incidents where its not that simple. If you found yourself in a situation where you believed that a family member was in some danger. Perhaps you have gone to pick up a family member who has called for help as they were being threatened by someone? a case mistaken identify let say? the police turn up and tell you to stand still. To them, you are an involved party. But you know who the bad guy is. You try and get the police to stop him walking away. You get upset that they don't seem to be listening. You want to move 6 feet to look around a corner to point this guy out. The police think you are going to run - zap! they stun you. You fall and loose your front teeth. Ok I'm being extremely specific. But thats just the kind of situation stun guns may end up being used in. Thats how then [bold]have[/bold] ended up being used, notably in North America. Can't happen here? why not? the police have never shot someone by mistake?
[quote]If someone is behaving like an animal, then that's how they should be treated.[/quote]
Nice black and white picture, but its all very well describing a situation when a stun gun would be useful. Thats not a convincing way of making any kind of point. It does nothing to address my basic point which is this... police have batons and pepper spray to deal with violent situations. Are we sure that giving them a third option will help? Are we worried that in other countries there is stacks of evidence that stun guns end up being used more frequently and with decreasing levels of control? I think we should be.
This is where the Echo's picture of Bmth town centre as a violent place gets to be quite disturbing - when its used to justify bad things. Yes it gets a bit lively on a friday night in places. But it is not like Compton or Brooklyn and we should not justify policy as if it is.
Mark..if the police are turning up after a crime..the guns wouldn't be an issue would they?
You really don't think so do you?! Just
think about it! Police turn up to a situation where there has been a violent incident... with highly wound up people still on scene. The police do not know if they are dealing with victim or the person who has been violent. Allegations are flying. Tempers lost. You are suggesting that they would not use their guns if people do not do what they are told? ok so you'll say that they should do what they are told, right? Well I've seen a number of incidents where its not that simple. If you found yourself in a situation where you believed that a family member was in some danger. Perhaps you have gone to pick up a family member who has called for help as they were being threatened by someone? a case mistaken identify let say? the police turn up and tell you to stand still. To them, you are an involved party. But you know who the bad guy is. You try and get the police to stop him walking away. You get upset that they don't seem to be listening. You want to move 6 feet to look around a corner to point this guy out. The police think you are going to run - zap! they stun you. You fall and loose your front teeth. Ok I'm being extremely specific. But thats just the kind of situation stun guns may end up being used in. Thats how then
have ended up being used, notably in North America. Can't happen here? why not? the police have never shot someone by mistake?
If someone is behaving like an animal, then that's how they should be treated.
Nice black and white picture, but its all very well describing a situation when a stun gun would be useful. Thats not a convincing way of making any kind of point. It does nothing to address my basic point which is this... police have batons and pepper spray to deal with violent situations. Are we sure that giving them a third option will help? Are we worried that in other countries there is stacks of evidence that stun guns end up being used more frequently and with decreasing levels of control? I think we should be.
This is where the Echo's picture of Bmth town centre as a violent place gets to be quite disturbing - when its used to justify bad things. Yes it gets a bit lively on a friday night in places. But it is not like Compton or Brooklyn and we should not justify policy as if it is.
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 2:33pm Thu 27 Mar 08
[quote]Mark..if the police are turning up after a crime..the guns wouldn't be an issue would they?[/quote]
You really don't think so do you?! Just [italic]think[/italic] about it! Police turn up to a situation where there has been a violent incident... with highly wound up people still on scene. The police do not know if they are dealing with victim or the person who has been violent. Allegations are flying. Tempers lost. You are suggesting that they would not use their guns if people do not do what they are told? ok so you'll say that they should do what they are told, right? Well I've seen a number of incidents where its not that simple. If you found yourself in a situation where you believed that a family member was in some danger. Perhaps you have gone to pick up a family member who has called for help as they were being threatened by someone? a case mistaken identify let say? the police turn up and tell you to stand still. To them, you are an involved party. But you know who the bad guy is. You try and get the police to stop him walking away. You get upset that they don't seem to be listening. You want to move
Mark..if the police are turning up after a crime..the guns wouldn't be an issue would they?
You really don't think so do you?! Just
think about it! Police turn up to a situation where there has been a violent incident... with highly wound up people still on scene. The police do not know if they are dealing with victim or the person who has been violent. Allegations are flying. Tempers lost. You are suggesting that they would not use their guns if people do not do what they are told? ok so you'll say that they should do what they are told, right? Well I've seen a number of incidents where its not that simple. If you found yourself in a situation where you believed that a family member was in some danger. Perhaps you have gone to pick up a family member who has called for help as they were being threatened by someone? a case mistaken identify let say? the police turn up and tell you to stand still. To them, you are an involved party. But you know who the bad guy is. You try and get the police to stop him walking away. You get upset that they don't seem to be listening. You want to move
Posted by: 2Much, New Forest on 8:18am Fri 28 Mar 08
Mark..i've agreed with your comments numerous times on here...and you have mine...i do get your point..honestly i do..this time however..i think we'll have to agree to disagree :)
Mark..i've agreed with your comments numerous times on here...and you have mine...i do get your point..honestly i do..this time however..i think we'll have to agree to disagree :)
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