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PARKING cheats who misuse parent and child and disabled bays at Asda stores may have to add £40 to their shopping bills from today.
The retail giant is the first to introduce fines for those who leave shoppers in genuine need with nowhere to park.
The scheme will be regulated by private contractors and all profits given to baby charity Tommy's and disability charity Motability.
Bosses at Asda decided to introduce the scheme at all stores where it owns the car park after a successful trial in Liverpool.
Eight out of ten shoppers asked for their views said they believe it is the right thing to do.
Last May, Castlepoint bosses introduced £100 fines after repeated problems with the misuse of parking bays at the centre, particularly those for the disabled.
Since May, 800 drivers have been fined for parking in disabled bays at Castlepoint.
"At Asda we have decided to take a stand to keep specialised parking spaces available to those customers that need them," said customer service manager Paul Hedley.
"We are not handing out tickets to make a profit as money raised will go to charity. We would encourage anyone that manages a car park to take our lead."
A spokesman for Tommy's said: "A routine trip to the shops can turn into a nightmare for some parents when they don't have adequate parking spaces."
And a spokesman for Motability, which provides a car scheme for disabled people, added: "With the help of companies like Asda we can help to keep many more people independently mobile, something many of us take for granted."
At Asda St Paul's yesterday afternoon, all but one of the parent and child spaces on the upper deck were taken.
Michael House from Charminster, a father-of-two, said: "I think it is a good idea. I managed to get a parent and child space today, but I can't always get one. There are a lot of people who park here even if they haven't got children with them and they're often rude if you say anything to them."
And Greg Webb from Boscombe added: "It makes me really cross when I see people using disabled spaces who obviously aren't entitled to. I am quite happy to walk a bit further if it means genuinely disabled people can park near the shop."
A spokesman for Tesco said there are no current plans to introduce a similar scheme.
8:36am Tuesday 15th January 2008
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CommentPosted by: PETE WOODLEY on 8:43am Tue 15 Jan 08
Thank you ASDA,as a disabled user.Tesco you could not care less,just like some of your staff,at castle lane,inc manager.
Thank you ASDA,as a disabled user.Tesco you could not care less,just like some of your staff,at castle lane,inc manager.
Posted by: JLC, here on 8:53am Tue 15 Jan 08
Now now Pete. Have you been complaining again?
Now now Pete. Have you been complaining again?
Posted by: Charlie on 9:05am Tue 15 Jan 08
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: please use a disabled space instead of me - but also take my disability and give me your ability. I'd then be much happier than you. In fact I'd be beside myself with joy if I could walk as well as you, and I'd walk everywhere.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: please use a disabled space instead of me - but also take my disability and give me your ability. I'd then be much happier than you. In fact I'd be beside myself with joy if I could walk as well as you, and I'd walk everywhere.
Posted by: derek, dorset on 9:17am Tue 15 Jan 08
I keep away from them all Tes,Asd,Som,Sai,Wai
drive to your local farm , get fresh food , good quality and no carrier bags !.
P.S.
And a nice smile :-)
I keep away from them all Tes,Asd,Som,Sai,Wai
drive to your local farm , get fresh food , good quality and no carrier bags !.
P.S.
And a nice smile :-)
Posted by: ..ig34 on 9:19am Tue 15 Jan 08
Dont bite Pete!!!!
hes got day off 'raining'
Dont bite Pete!!!!
hes got day off 'raining'
Posted by: philly, bournemouth on 9:21am Tue 15 Jan 08
After a recent story on this elsewhere, someone looked into the mother & baby spaces. The official conclusion was that these spaces can be used, technically, by anyone with a child up to the age of 17!!! Some clarification on each site is needed, I think, with a definitive description of what is deemed as 'a child'. As a mum of a 17 year old and a 4 year old I would suggest use of the spaces for up to age 8, as by then most kids have learned the basic problems of traffic etc and would be able to walk sensibly with an adult through a car park.
I also have a disabled husband who outwardly can look quite 'normal' sometimes, so please dont bring that old chestnut up again! :)
After a recent story on this elsewhere, someone looked into the mother & baby spaces. The official conclusion was that these spaces can be used, technically, by anyone with a child up to the age of 17!!! Some clarification on each site is needed, I think, with a definitive description of what is deemed as 'a child'. As a mum of a 17 year old and a 4 year old I would suggest use of the spaces for up to age 8, as by then most kids have learned the basic problems of traffic etc and would be able to walk sensibly with an adult through a car park.
I also have a disabled husband who outwardly can look quite 'normal' sometimes, so please dont bring that old chestnut up again! :)
Posted by: Geoff, Kinson on 9:26am Tue 15 Jan 08
These "parking cheats" are probably the same people who park on yellow lines outside schools !
What a lazy ignorant lot they are !
Hope this scheme is a great success.
These "parking cheats" are probably the same people who park on yellow lines outside schools !
What a lazy ignorant lot they are !
Hope this scheme is a great success.
Posted by: DavidR, Broadstone on 9:26am Tue 15 Jan 08
And have you noticed how many disabled tradesmen there are, judging by the white vans in disabled spaces at B&Q Fleetsbridge?
And have you noticed how many disabled tradesmen there are, judging by the white vans in disabled spaces at B&Q Fleetsbridge?
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 9:33am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Geoff[/bold] wrote:
These "parking cheats" are probably the same people who park on yellow lines outside schools !
What a lazy ignorant lot they are !
Hope this scheme is a great success.[/quote] YOU are probably right,they are completely selfish.
Geoff wrote:
These "parking cheats" are probably the same people who park on yellow lines outside schools !
What a lazy ignorant lot they are !
Hope this scheme is a great success.
YOU are probably right,they are completely selfish.
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 9:58am Tue 15 Jan 08
Parking in disabled bays when not entitled… It's amazing what some selfish people will resort to, just to avoid walking a few extra yards. Maybe they should just have drive-thru supermarkets for these lazy, utterly selfish idiots - but even then they'd probably cut up other cars in the checkout queue!
Parking in disabled bays when not entitled… It's amazing what some selfish people will resort to, just to avoid walking a few extra yards. Maybe they should just have drive-thru supermarkets for these lazy, utterly selfish idiots - but even then they'd probably cut up other cars in the checkout queue!
Posted by: Geoff, Kinson on 9:58am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Geoff[/bold] wrote:
These "parking cheats" are probably the same people who park on yellow lines outside schools !
What a lazy ignorant lot they are !
Hope this scheme is a great success.[/quote] YOU are probably right,they are completely selfish.[/quote] We are a selfish society though Pete !
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
Geoff wrote:
These "parking cheats" are probably the same people who park on yellow lines outside schools !
What a lazy ignorant lot they are !
Hope this scheme is a great success.
YOU are probably right,they are completely selfish.
We are a selfish society though Pete !
Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 10:05am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]derek[/bold] wrote:
I keep away from them all Tes,Asd,Som,Sai,Wai drive to your local farm , get fresh food , good quality and no carrier bags !. P.S. And a nice smile :-) [/quote] sounds lovely but some families cannot afford the prices and they dont sell ecverything we need. I have looked at peoples cars especially to check if they have disabled badges of children with them. My husband and I have 3 car seats to carry the grand children but wouldn't dream of parking in the child spaces when not carrying the children, we are as commented by Geoff a selfish society these days although I like to hope not all of us.
derek wrote:
I keep away from them all Tes,Asd,Som,Sai,Wai drive to your local farm , get fresh food , good quality and no carrier bags !. P.S. And a nice smile :-)
sounds lovely but some families cannot afford the prices and they dont sell ecverything we need. I have looked at peoples cars especially to check if they have disabled badges of children with them. My husband and I have 3 car seats to carry the grand children but wouldn't dream of parking in the child spaces when not carrying the children, we are as commented by Geoff a selfish society these days although I like to hope not all of us.
Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 10:06am Tue 15 Jan 08
oops sorry meant to say OR children with them
oops sorry meant to say OR children with them
Posted by: ED, Soton on 10:48am Tue 15 Jan 08
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 10:50am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote:
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....[/quote] SELFISH PRAT
ED wrote:
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....
SELFISH PRAT
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 10:52am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote:
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....[/quote] I wondered how long it would be before someone brought up this old chestnut.
How come then that [bold]EVERY SINGLE TIME[/bold] I have ever been to a supermarket car park I have managed to easily find a standard space without having to park in a disabled bay? There are always spaces available - so long as you're not [bold]TOO **** LAZY[/bold] to walk from the far side of the car park, of course.
ED wrote:
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....
I wondered how long it would be before someone brought up this old chestnut.
How come then that
EVERY SINGLE TIME I have ever been to a supermarket car park I have managed to easily find a standard space without having to park in a disabled bay? There are always spaces available - so long as you're not
TOO **** LAZY to walk from the far side of the car park, of course.
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 10:52am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote:
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....[/quote] SELFISH PRAT
ED wrote:
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....
SELFISH PRAT
Posted by: ED, Soton on 10:53am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote: There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....[/quote] SELFISH PRAT[/quote] Who rattled your crutches !!!....
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
ED wrote: There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....
SELFISH PRAT
Who rattled your crutches !!!....
Posted by: ED, Soton on 10:56am Tue 15 Jan 08
While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....
While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....
Posted by: Jo, xchurch on 10:58am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote: There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....[/quote] SELFISH PRAT[/quote] ED, have you ever tried getting a wheelchair out of a car in a normal space? Or maybe getting crutches or walking aids out and back in when someone has parked stupidly close next to you?
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
ED wrote: There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....
SELFISH PRAT
ED, have you ever tried getting a wheelchair out of a car in a normal space? Or maybe getting crutches or walking aids out and back in when someone has parked stupidly close next to you?
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 11:01am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote: There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....[/quote] SELFISH PRAT[/quote] Who rattled your crutches !!!....[/quote] Wait until you are a big boy,and know what being disabled is all about,we may be disabled but not brainless.
ED wrote:
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
ED wrote: There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....
SELFISH PRAT
Who rattled your crutches !!!....
Wait until you are a big boy,and know what being disabled is all about,we may be disabled but not brainless.
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 11:06am Tue 15 Jan 08
Don't feed the troll...
Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 11:06am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote:
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....[/quote] ever heard of what goes around etc it may be you one day you silly selfish person
ED wrote:
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....
ever heard of what goes around etc it may be you one day you silly selfish person
Posted by: Jerry, poole, dorset on 11:09am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
Parking in disabled bays when not entitled… It's amazing what some selfish people will resort to, just to avoid walking a few extra yards. Maybe they should just have drive-thru supermarkets for these lazy, utterly selfish idiots - but even then they'd probably cut up other cars in the checkout queue![/quote] The ultimate laziness... On-line shopping! I appreciate that many people use this method due to work commitments, disability, distance from the store and no transport, etc., but surely it is the ultimate in not having to park anywhere and walk even the shortest distance?
Phil wrote:
Parking in disabled bays when not entitled… It's amazing what some selfish people will resort to, just to avoid walking a few extra yards. Maybe they should just have drive-thru supermarkets for these lazy, utterly selfish idiots - but even then they'd probably cut up other cars in the checkout queue!
The ultimate laziness... On-line shopping! I appreciate that many people use this method due to work commitments, disability, distance from the store and no transport, etc., but surely it is the ultimate in not having to park anywhere and walk even the shortest distance?
Posted by: ED, Soton on 11:10am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Jo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote: There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....[/quote] SELFISH PRAT[/quote] ED, have you ever tried getting a wheelchair out of a car in a normal space? Or maybe getting crutches or walking aids out and back in when someone has parked stupidly close next to you?[/quote] Fair point Jo - hadnt thought of that - but I still think far too many disabled bays go unused for most of the week... sorry if that offends....
& Peter - you really are tooooooo easy to wind up - lol
Jo wrote:
PETE WOODLEY wrote: ED wrote: There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....
SELFISH PRAT
ED, have you ever tried getting a wheelchair out of a car in a normal space? Or maybe getting crutches or walking aids out and back in when someone has parked stupidly close next to you?
Fair point Jo - hadnt thought of that - but I still think far too many disabled bays go unused for most of the week... sorry if that offends....
& Peter - you really are tooooooo easy to wind up - lol
Posted by: Jerry, poole, dorset on 11:15am Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote:
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....[/quote] I came up with this type of statement a while ago. I saw the error of my thinking then.
Some disabled need space to actually open the doors wide enough to get in and out of the car. Also, to get out wheelchairs and/or walking aids without damaging adjacent vehicles.
The slow trek to the store itself if horrible in inclement weather if they cannot park close to it.
Yes, they still have to get around the store itself, but at least it's fairly flat and dry once inside.
ED wrote:
There are far too many Disabled spaces in all Car Parks taking up valuable space for those that need it !!! - I have no problem with the Mother/Kids spaces as they get used but do we really need so many disabled bays - I think not...... How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....
I came up with this type of statement a while ago. I saw the error of my thinking then.
Some disabled need space to actually open the doors wide enough to get in and out of the car. Also, to get out wheelchairs and/or walking aids without damaging adjacent vehicles.
The slow trek to the store itself if horrible in inclement weather if they cannot park close to it.
Yes, they still have to get around the store itself, but at least it's fairly flat and dry once inside.
Posted by: Jerry, poole, dorset on 11:17am Tue 15 Jan 08
Sorry "IS horrible".
Posted by: RichT, Christchurch on 11:28am Tue 15 Jan 08
I think this sums up the difference between Asda and Tesco's attitude towards customers. I've seen people abuse the parent and child spaces at Tesco. I didn't believe that the store would take action if I reported it!
I agree with Pete's comments too!
I think this sums up the difference between Asda and Tesco's attitude towards customers. I've seen people abuse the parent and child spaces at Tesco. I didn't believe that the store would take action if I reported it!
I agree with Pete's comments too!
Posted by: ..ig34 on 11:42am Tue 15 Jan 08
Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 11:06am today,.......Ever heard of what goes around etc it may be you one day you silly selfish person..............
........What a shocking thing to say,I can't believe any body would say such a thing.
Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 11:06am today,.......Ever heard of what goes around etc it may be you one day you silly selfish person..............
........What a shocking thing to say,I can't believe any body would say such a thing.
Posted by: dibbles, Bournemouth on 12:03pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Its about time something was doen. I had to put my sons baby seat on the floor once and move out of a parking space to get him in because my car was blocked in both sides. I was thankful that an elderly lady stayed with him whilst I moved. There are too many inconsiderate people around however ED is right in saying there are alot of Disabled spaces around especially at Castlepoint. This however is to cope with peek periods. I do wish there were more mother and baby spaces as they are few and far between.
Its about time something was doen. I had to put my sons baby seat on the floor once and move out of a parking space to get him in because my car was blocked in both sides. I was thankful that an elderly lady stayed with him whilst I moved. There are too many inconsiderate people around however ED is right in saying there are alot of Disabled spaces around especially at Castlepoint. This however is to cope with peek periods. I do wish there were more mother and baby spaces as they are few and far between.
Posted by: denis, bournemouth on 12:04pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Good old Asda, now how about Tesco and all the others following suit. There are far too many selfish and thoughtless people who couldn't care less about those less fortunate than themselves. Let's see a bit of clamping and inconvenience to persistant offenders and see how they cope with the disability of not having a car, albeit only for a few hours or so. Disabled people do need wider spaces to get in and out of their vehicles and as one of your previous contributors state, I am sure most of them would give up their parking concessions for good health.
Good old Asda, now how about Tesco and all the others following suit. There are far too many selfish and thoughtless people who couldn't care less about those less fortunate than themselves. Let's see a bit of clamping and inconvenience to persistant offenders and see how they cope with the disability of not having a car, albeit only for a few hours or so. Disabled people do need wider spaces to get in and out of their vehicles and as one of your previous contributors state, I am sure most of them would give up their parking concessions for good health.
Posted by: Munkstar, Bournemouth on 12:04pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Disabled can shop from home for griefs sake. Its delivered for the cost of your petrol/Taxi/bus ride there and back. Computers are less cost than a weeks coach trip to Bulgaria.
Disabled can shop from home for griefs sake. Its delivered for the cost of your petrol/Taxi/bus ride there and back. Computers are less cost than a weeks coach trip to Bulgaria.
Posted by: ..ig34 on 12:06pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Pete woodley
DONT FEED THE TROLLS
DONT TAKE THE BAIT
GOOD ON YA
Terry can sort em hes brilliant
Pete woodley
DONT FEED THE TROLLS
DONT TAKE THE BAIT
GOOD ON YA
Terry can sort em hes brilliant
Posted by: Ian, Blandford on 12:18pm Tue 15 Jan 08
How my heart bleeds for the current crop of parents. We never had parent & child places when my kids were young, and I'm talking late eighties. suck it up and get on with it
How my heart bleeds for the current crop of parents. We never had parent & child places when my kids were young, and I'm talking late eighties. suck it up and get on with it
Posted by: JLC, here on 12:22pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]..ig34[/bold] wrote:
Pete woodley DONT FEED THE TROLLS DONT TAKE THE BAIT GOOD ON YA Terry can sort em hes brilliant[/quote] Terry ran away when proved to be a nincompoop.
It's true though. Does Tesco's really need 45 disabled parking spaces? Have you ever seen them all filled?
..ig34 wrote:
Pete woodley DONT FEED THE TROLLS DONT TAKE THE BAIT GOOD ON YA Terry can sort em hes brilliant
Terry ran away when proved to be a nincompoop.
It's true though. Does Tesco's really need 45 disabled parking spaces? Have you ever seen them all filled?
Posted by: munchkin, corfe Mullen on 12:24pm Tue 15 Jan 08
just to put the cat among the pigeons - you want to see some of the looks received by a parent getting their child out of the car in a disabled space - terrible yes but not if that child is registered disabled , you can not always see a disability. People need to look a little further than the ends of their noses.
just to put the cat among the pigeons - you want to see some of the looks received by a parent getting their child out of the car in a disabled space - terrible yes but not if that child is registered disabled , you can not always see a disability. People need to look a little further than the ends of their noses.
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 12:24pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]JLC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]..ig34[/bold] wrote:
Pete woodley DONT FEED THE TROLLS DONT TAKE THE BAIT GOOD ON YA Terry can sort em hes brilliant[/quote] Terry ran away when proved to be a nincompoop.
It's true though. Does Tesco's really need 45 disabled parking spaces? Have you ever seen them all filled?[/quote] 45 disabled spaces out of several hundred? Doesn't seem that many to me.
And so what if they're not all filled most of the time. They are there for peak periods. And if it's not a peak period, there's still no excuse for able-bodied people to park in them since there should be plenty of other spaces available!
JLC wrote:
..ig34 wrote:
Pete woodley DONT FEED THE TROLLS DONT TAKE THE BAIT GOOD ON YA Terry can sort em hes brilliant
Terry ran away when proved to be a nincompoop.
It's true though. Does Tesco's really need 45 disabled parking spaces? Have you ever seen them all filled?
45 disabled spaces out of several hundred? Doesn't seem that many to me.
And so what if they're not all filled most of the time. They are there for peak periods. And if it's not a peak period, there's still no excuse for able-bodied people to park in them since there should be plenty of other spaces available!
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 12:25pm Tue 15 Jan 08
These are [bold]not[/bold] real fines, these are M&S fines!
(and tesco, adsa etc...)
Not legally enforcable and they would not dare risk a test case. There are the equivalent of: "we don't like you for paking in that space so please give us £40 (pretty please)".
Saying that... I certainly [bold]do NOT[/bold] condone use of disabled spaces. I do think there are often so many that this cheapens them to the point where people think its ok to use one. They justify it to themselves. (Like late evening at Castlepoint.) I also think the mother and child spaces are badly understood. I stopped using these when my youngest no longer needed a push chair and assistance getting in and out. Thats the only reason for these spaces, when assisting a child needs the extra width from a fully open car door.
Plus this charity donation sounds fishy to me. Usually all the money goes to the contracted parking enforcement firm. So how much are [italic]they[/italic] donating? I would not be surprised if its 50p or less! Typical abuse of "charidee mate".
These are
not real fines, these are M&S fines!
(and tesco, adsa etc...)
Not legally enforcable and they would not dare risk a test case. There are the equivalent of: "we don't like you for paking in that space so please give us £40 (pretty please)".
Saying that... I certainly
do NOT condone use of disabled spaces. I do think there are often so many that this cheapens them to the point where people think its ok to use one. They justify it to themselves. (Like late evening at Castlepoint.) I also think the mother and child spaces are badly understood. I stopped using these when my youngest no longer needed a push chair and assistance getting in and out. Thats the only reason for these spaces, when assisting a child needs the extra width from a fully open car door.
Plus this charity donation sounds fishy to me. Usually all the money goes to the contracted parking enforcement firm. So how much are
they donating? I would not be surprised if its 50p or less! Typical abuse of "charidee mate".
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 12:27pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote:
These are [bold]not[/bold] real fines, these are M&S fines!
(and tesco, adsa etc...)
Not legally enforcable and they would not dare risk a test case. There are the equivalent of: "we don't like you for paking in that space so please give us £40 (pretty please)".
Saying that... I certainly [bold]do NOT[/bold] condone use of disabled spaces. I do think there are often so many that this cheapens them to the point where people think its ok to use one. They justify it to themselves. (Like late evening at Castlepoint.) I also think the mother and child spaces are badly understood. I stopped using these when my youngest no longer needed a push chair and assistance getting in and out. Thats the only reason for these spaces, when assisting a child needs the extra width from a fully open car door.
Plus this charity donation sounds fishy to me. Usually all the money goes to the contracted parking enforcement firm. So how much are [italic]they[/italic] donating? I would not be surprised if its 50p or less! Typical abuse of "charidee mate".
[/quote] I disagree. The car park is the supermarket's private property and so they're entitled to stop anyone parking on it and can have them clamped if necessary.
PokesdownMark wrote:
These are not real fines, these are M&S fines!
(and tesco, adsa etc...)
Not legally enforcable and they would not dare risk a test case. There are the equivalent of: "we don't like you for paking in that space so please give us £40 (pretty please)".
Saying that... I certainly do NOT condone use of disabled spaces. I do think there are often so many that this cheapens them to the point where people think its ok to use one. They justify it to themselves. (Like late evening at Castlepoint.) I also think the mother and child spaces are badly understood. I stopped using these when my youngest no longer needed a push chair and assistance getting in and out. Thats the only reason for these spaces, when assisting a child needs the extra width from a fully open car door.
Plus this charity donation sounds fishy to me. Usually all the money goes to the contracted parking enforcement firm. So how much are they donating? I would not be surprised if its 50p or less! Typical abuse of "charidee mate".
I disagree. The car park is the supermarket's private property and so they're entitled to stop anyone parking on it and can have them clamped if necessary.
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 12:35pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Ian[/bold] wrote:
How my heart bleeds for the current crop of parents. We never had parent & child places when my kids were young, and I'm talking late eighties. suck it up and get on with it[/quote] So what? Why shouldn't matters be improved? Our ancestors never had computers - in which case why the heck are you using one, you big jessie?
Ian wrote:
How my heart bleeds for the current crop of parents. We never had parent & child places when my kids were young, and I'm talking late eighties. suck it up and get on with it
So what? Why shouldn't matters be improved? Our ancestors never had computers - in which case why the heck are you using one, you big jessie?
Posted by: JLC, here on 12:37pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]JLC[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]..ig34[/bold] wrote: Pete woodley DONT FEED THE TROLLS DONT TAKE THE BAIT GOOD ON YA Terry can sort em hes brilliant[/quote] Terry ran away when proved to be a nincompoop. It's true though. Does Tesco's really need 45 disabled parking spaces? Have you ever seen them all filled?[/quote] 45 disabled spaces out of several hundred? Doesn't seem that many to me. And so what if they're not all filled most of the time. They are there for peak periods. And if it's not a peak period, there's still no excuse for able-bodied people to park in them since there should be plenty of other spaces available![/quote] So what's the percenatge of people who are unable to walk from the car to the door of the supermarket? Or those who need extra room to get out?
Phil wrote:
JLC wrote: ..ig34 wrote: Pete woodley DONT FEED THE TROLLS DONT TAKE THE BAIT GOOD ON YA Terry can sort em hes brilliant
Terry ran away when proved to be a nincompoop. It's true though. Does Tesco's really need 45 disabled parking spaces? Have you ever seen them all filled?
45 disabled spaces out of several hundred? Doesn't seem that many to me. And so what if they're not all filled most of the time. They are there for peak periods. And if it's not a peak period, there's still no excuse for able-bodied people to park in them since there should be plenty of other spaces available!
So what's the percenatge of people who are unable to walk from the car to the door of the supermarket? Or those who need extra room to get out?
Posted by: Jerry, poole, dorset on 12:37pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]PokesdownMark[/bold] wrote:
These are [bold]not[/bold] real fines, these are M&S fines! (and tesco, adsa etc...) Not legally enforcable and they would not dare risk a test case. There are the equivalent of: "we don't like you for paking in that space so please give us £40 (pretty please)". Saying that... I certainly [bold]do NOT[/bold] condone use of disabled spaces. I do think there are often so many that this cheapens them to the point where people think its ok to use one. They justify it to themselves. (Like late evening at Castlepoint.) I also think the mother and child spaces are badly understood. I stopped using these when my youngest no longer needed a push chair and assistance getting in and out. Thats the only reason for these spaces, when assisting a child needs the extra width from a fully open car door. Plus this charity donation sounds fishy to me. Usually all the money goes to the contracted parking enforcement firm. So how much are [italic]they[/italic] donating? I would not be surprised if its 50p or less! Typical abuse of "charidee mate". [/quote] The parking control would be done by an outside company, to show non-bias. The rules would be set, conditions and penalties advertised, and the clamping/fining done independantly. Just like any other business or property owner does.
I do agree with the question over the Charity donation. The sotre (Texco/Asda/Whoever) would have to agree a sum to be returned by the clamping company for operating on their car park. Rest assured, it probably won't be much!
PokesdownMark wrote:
These are not real fines, these are M&S fines! (and tesco, adsa etc...) Not legally enforcable and they would not dare risk a test case. There are the equivalent of: "we don't like you for paking in that space so please give us £40 (pretty please)". Saying that... I certainly do NOT condone use of disabled spaces. I do think there are often so many that this cheapens them to the point where people think its ok to use one. They justify it to themselves. (Like late evening at Castlepoint.) I also think the mother and child spaces are badly understood. I stopped using these when my youngest no longer needed a push chair and assistance getting in and out. Thats the only reason for these spaces, when assisting a child needs the extra width from a fully open car door. Plus this charity donation sounds fishy to me. Usually all the money goes to the contracted parking enforcement firm. So how much are they donating? I would not be surprised if its 50p or less! Typical abuse of "charidee mate".
The parking control would be done by an outside company, to show non-bias. The rules would be set, conditions and penalties advertised, and the clamping/fining done independantly. Just like any other business or property owner does.
I do agree with the question over the Charity donation. The sotre (Texco/Asda/Whoever) would have to agree a sum to be returned by the clamping company for operating on their car park. Rest assured, it probably won't be much!
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 12:44pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote]I disagree. The car park is the supermarket's private property and so they're entitled to stop anyone parking on it and can have them clamped if necessary.[/quote]
Correct, they are entitled to do what they like. They could introduce spaces for yellow cars if they wanted to. But they would not be legally enforcable either.
Please note... I am not saying that I think this is right or wrong. Though I would rather some other method of social pressure be applied rather than these [bold]pretend fines[/bold] .
I disagree. The car park is the supermarket's private property and so they're entitled to stop anyone parking on it and can have them clamped if necessary.
Correct, they are entitled to do what they like. They could introduce spaces for yellow cars if they wanted to. But they would not be legally enforcable either.
Please note... I am not saying that I think this is right or wrong. Though I would rather some other method of social pressure be applied rather than these
pretend fines .
Posted by: Munkstar, Bournemouth on 12:48pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Why are there disabled spaces outside B & Q? Are there wheelchair capable ladders available?
Why are there disabled spaces outside B & Q? Are there wheelchair capable ladders available?
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 12:52pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Munkstar[/bold] wrote:
Why are there disabled spaces outside B & Q? Are there wheelchair capable ladders available?[/quote] More importantly, why do you bother making stupid comments that no-one cares about? Haven't you got anything better to do? Evidently not.
Munkstar wrote:
Why are there disabled spaces outside B & Q? Are there wheelchair capable ladders available?
More importantly, why do you bother making stupid comments that no-one cares about? Haven't you got anything better to do? Evidently not.
Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 1:08pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]..ig34[/bold] wrote:
Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 11:06am today,.......Ever heard of what goes around etc it may be you one day you silly selfish person.............. ........What a shocking thing to say,I can't believe any body would say such a thing.[/quote] i am assuming that reply was tongue in cheek, if not too bad, if people will make nasty remarks and judge other people when they have not experienced disability themselves
..ig34 wrote:
Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 11:06am today,.......Ever heard of what goes around etc it may be you one day you silly selfish person.............. ........What a shocking thing to say,I can't believe any body would say such a thing.
i am assuming that reply was tongue in cheek, if not too bad, if people will make nasty remarks and judge other people when they have not experienced disability themselves
Posted by: xchmum, Christchurch on 1:13pm Tue 15 Jan 08
We disabled are able to chose the paint colour and wallpaper with someone else who is able to climb the ladder. Also B & Q have a mobility vehicle available if needed. I get pains as sson as I start walking, so even to get to the shop door can sometimes be difficult, let alone when I get the usual wait in the queue for the checkout.
We disabled are able to chose the paint colour and wallpaper with someone else who is able to climb the ladder. Also B & Q have a mobility vehicle available if needed. I get pains as sson as I start walking, so even to get to the shop door can sometimes be difficult, let alone when I get the usual wait in the queue for the checkout.
Posted by: silky, Bournemouth on 1:13pm Tue 15 Jan 08
yes munkstar there are wheelchair capable ladders. They are in aisle 52 next to the "socially inept help desk" but you know where that is already don't you? ;o)
yes munkstar there are wheelchair capable ladders. They are in aisle 52 next to the "socially inept help desk" but you know where that is already don't you? ;o)
Posted by: ED, Soton on 1:23pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]godzilla[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]..ig34[/bold] wrote: Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 11:06am today,.......Ever heard of what goes around etc it may be you one day you silly selfish person.............. ........What a shocking thing to say,I can't believe any body would say such a thing.[/quote] i am assuming that reply was tongue in cheek, if not too bad, if people will make nasty remarks and judge other people when they have not experienced disability themselves [/quote] for your information I spent 16mths in a wheelchair and on crutches with a broken pelvis and 2 broken legs some years back - so I think I know something about being not being fully abled... However - that does not change my opinion that there are TOO MANY disabled spaces that are not used enough in the majority of large car parks....
godzilla wrote:
..ig34 wrote: Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 11:06am today,.......Ever heard of what goes around etc it may be you one day you silly selfish person.............. ........What a shocking thing to say,I can't believe any body would say such a thing.
i am assuming that reply was tongue in cheek, if not too bad, if people will make nasty remarks and judge other people when they have not experienced disability themselves
for your information I spent 16mths in a wheelchair and on crutches with a broken pelvis and 2 broken legs some years back - so I think I know something about being not being fully abled... However - that does not change my opinion that there are TOO MANY disabled spaces that are not used enough in the majority of large car parks....
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 1:26pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]silky[/bold] wrote:
yes munkstar there are wheelchair capable ladders. They are in aisle 52 next to the "socially inept help desk" but you know where that is already don't you? ;o)[/quote] Great reply,saves me the bother.
silky wrote:
yes munkstar there are wheelchair capable ladders. They are in aisle 52 next to the "socially inept help desk" but you know where that is already don't you? ;o)
Great reply,saves me the bother.
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 1:32pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]godzilla[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]..ig34[/bold] wrote: Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 11:06am today,.......Ever heard of what goes around etc it may be you one day you silly selfish person.............. ........What a shocking thing to say,I can't believe any body would say such a thing.[/quote] i am assuming that reply was tongue in cheek, if not too bad, if people will make nasty remarks and judge other people when they have not experienced disability themselves [/quote] for your information I spent 16mths in a wheelchair and on crutches with a broken pelvis and 2 broken legs some years back - so I think I know something about being not being fully abled... However - that does not change my opinion that there are TOO MANY disabled spaces that are not used enough in the majority of large car parks....[/quote] You forgot the brain injury ?.
ED wrote:
godzilla wrote:
..ig34 wrote: Posted by: godzilla, hamworthy on 11:06am today,.......Ever heard of what goes around etc it may be you one day you silly selfish person.............. ........What a shocking thing to say,I can't believe any body would say such a thing.
i am assuming that reply was tongue in cheek, if not too bad, if people will make nasty remarks and judge other people when they have not experienced disability themselves
for your information I spent 16mths in a wheelchair and on crutches with a broken pelvis and 2 broken legs some years back - so I think I know something about being not being fully abled... However - that does not change my opinion that there are TOO MANY disabled spaces that are not used enough in the majority of large car parks....
You forgot the brain injury ?.
Posted by: snoff, Poole on 1:33pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]PETE WOODLEY[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]silky[/bold] wrote: yes munkstar there are wheelchair capable ladders. They are in aisle 52 next to the "socially inept help desk" but you know where that is already don't you? ;o)[/quote] Great reply,saves me the bother.[/quote] Oh do carry on Pete, we all enjoy it!!
PETE WOODLEY wrote:
silky wrote: yes munkstar there are wheelchair capable ladders. They are in aisle 52 next to the "socially inept help desk" but you know where that is already don't you? ;o)
Great reply,saves me the bother.
Oh do carry on Pete, we all enjoy it!!
Posted by: snoff, Poole on 1:39pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]RichT[/bold] wrote:
I think this sums up the difference between Asda and Tesco's attitude towards customers. I've seen people abuse the parent and child spaces at Tesco. I didn't believe that the store would take action if I reported it! I agree with Pete's comments too![/quote] You should have reported them for abusing the parking space, that poor parking space is probably traumatised!!!
RichT wrote:
I think this sums up the difference between Asda and Tesco's attitude towards customers. I've seen people abuse the parent and child spaces at Tesco. I didn't believe that the store would take action if I reported it! I agree with Pete's comments too!
You should have reported them for abusing the parking space, that poor parking space is probably traumatised!!!
Posted by: ..ig34 on 1:45pm Tue 15 Jan 08
godzilla said ..I am assuming that reply was tongue in cheek, if not too bad, if people will make nasty remarks and judge other people when they have not experienced disability themselves.
assumed...tongue in cheek..you assumed a load of crap,you couldn't be further from the truth you made yourself look stupid .nasty uughh
godzilla said ..I am assuming that reply was tongue in cheek, if not too bad, if people will make nasty remarks and judge other people when they have not experienced disability themselves.
assumed...tongue in cheek..you assumed a load of crap,you couldn't be further from the truth you made yourself look stupid .nasty uughh
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 1:48pm Tue 15 Jan 08
I'm sure the stores must have a formula for working out the number of disabled spaces needed. Why would they create far more than they needed to and upset other customers?
I'm sure the stores must have a formula for working out the number of disabled spaces needed. Why would they create far more than they needed to and upset other customers?
Posted by: ..ig34 on 1:53pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Petes on fire today he wont take the lure
Petes on fire today he wont take the lure
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 1:56pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Ah, found it… The BS8300 standard says for shopping/leisure facilities there should be a space for each disabled employee, plus 6% of the total capacity for visiting motorists. Doesn't seem excessive to me.
Ah, found it… The BS8300 standard says for shopping/leisure facilities there should be a space for each disabled employee, plus 6% of the total capacity for visiting motorists. Doesn't seem excessive to me.
Posted by: swampy, poole on 2:17pm Tue 15 Jan 08
what a lot of cunning linguists you are....
what a lot of cunning linguists you are....
Posted by: teddy, bournemouth on 2:20pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Didn't think Pete could afford to go shopping as you are always moaning about hard up you are - too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.As for fines just don't pay them. it is just another wat of the super chains making more money. It is only too common these days.You should refuse to pay any fine as they are not legally enforceable.
Didn't think Pete could afford to go shopping as you are always moaning about hard up you are - too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.As for fines just don't pay them. it is just another wat of the super chains making more money. It is only too common these days.You should refuse to pay any fine as they are not legally enforceable.
Posted by: ..ig34 on 2:21pm Tue 15 Jan 08
indubitable
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 2:33pm Tue 15 Jan 08
I wonder if claims of parking space abuse is just an excuse for these businesses to introduce parking enforcement firms onto their property? I am sure there is a financial benefit to the supermarkets from the enforcement firm.
I suspect this is just a smoke screen to justify a potentially unpopular business decision!
I wonder if claims of parking space abuse is just an excuse for these businesses to introduce parking enforcement firms onto their property? I am sure there is a financial benefit to the supermarkets from the enforcement firm.
I suspect this is just a smoke screen to justify a potentially unpopular business decision!
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 2:35pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]teddy[/bold] wrote:
Didn't think Pete could afford to go shopping as you are always moaning about hard up you are - too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.As for fines just don't pay them. it is just another wat of the super chains making more money. It is only too common these days.You should refuse to pay any fine as they are not legally enforceable.[/quote] Thats right park in a disabled space,and dont pay the fine,what a plonker to suggest that,if there is no fine they just carry on parking.trust a councillor to come out with that.
teddy wrote:
Didn't think Pete could afford to go shopping as you are always moaning about hard up you are - too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.As for fines just don't pay them. it is just another wat of the super chains making more money. It is only too common these days.You should refuse to pay any fine as they are not legally enforceable.
Thats right park in a disabled space,and dont pay the fine,what a plonker to suggest that,if there is no fine they just carry on parking.trust a councillor to come out with that.
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 2:43pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]teddy[/bold] wrote:
Didn't think Pete could afford to go shopping as you are always moaning about hard up you are - too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.As for fines just don't pay them. it is just another wat of the super chains making more money. It is only too common these days.You should refuse to pay any fine as they are not legally enforceable.[/quote] Ah, I thought the 'too many people abusing the blue badge scheme' old chestnut would come up sooner or later.
Teddy, it appears that you despise people who abuse the blue badge scheme (even if it is a tiny minority). Yet you advise anyone [bold]without[/bold] a blue badge who parks in a disabled space not to pay any fines!
Erm, what makes such people any better than those who abuse the blue badge scheme?
teddy wrote:
Didn't think Pete could afford to go shopping as you are always moaning about hard up you are - too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.As for fines just don't pay them. it is just another wat of the super chains making more money. It is only too common these days.You should refuse to pay any fine as they are not legally enforceable.
Ah, I thought the 'too many people abusing the blue badge scheme' old chestnut would come up sooner or later.
Teddy, it appears that you despise people who abuse the blue badge scheme (even if it is a tiny minority). Yet you advise anyone
without a blue badge who parks in a disabled space not to pay any fines!
Erm, what makes such people any better than those who abuse the blue badge scheme?
Posted by: Tim M, usa on 2:50pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Have to say, I used to huff and puff about the apparent excessive number of handicapped parking spaces, disabled-priority train seats etc., until I ruptured an achilles tendon, tore cartilage and spent a good while on crutches. It's only when you really need these facilities that you realize how prone the able-bodied are to abuse them.
Have to say, I used to huff and puff about the apparent excessive number of handicapped parking spaces, disabled-priority train seats etc., until I ruptured an achilles tendon, tore cartilage and spent a good while on crutches. It's only when you really need these facilities that you realize how prone the able-bodied are to abuse them.
Posted by: tinytim, Bournemouth on 2:57pm Tue 15 Jan 08
About time if you ask me!
I just hope they enforce disabled people parking in the parent spaces and vice-versa aswell.
About time if you ask me!
I just hope they enforce disabled people parking in the parent spaces and vice-versa aswell.
Posted by: Karen on 3:06pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote:
While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....[/quote] I'm with you on that one Ed :D
Until law has been passed I shall continue to park in what ever bay I wish :D If they brought back invilid carriages I might be a bit more conforming, as it was easy to see that they were genuinely disabled but these days every tom dick and harry appears to have orange stickers whether they're disabled or not (for Mums, Grans etc).
ED wrote:
While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....
I'm with you on that one Ed :D
Until law has been passed I shall continue to park in what ever bay I wish :D If they brought back invilid carriages I might be a bit more conforming, as it was easy to see that they were genuinely disabled but these days every tom dick and harry appears to have orange stickers whether they're disabled or not (for Mums, Grans etc).
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 3:21pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Karen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote:
While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....[/quote] I'm with you on that one Ed :D
Until law has been passed I shall continue to park in what ever bay I wish :D If they brought back invilid carriages I might be a bit more conforming, as it was easy to see that they were genuinely disabled but these days every tom dick and harry appears to have orange stickers whether they're disabled or not (for Mums, Grans etc).[/quote] So what makes you any better than the scum who dishonestly obtain a blue badge then?
Karen wrote:
ED wrote:
While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....
I'm with you on that one Ed :D
Until law has been passed I shall continue to park in what ever bay I wish :D If they brought back invilid carriages I might be a bit more conforming, as it was easy to see that they were genuinely disabled but these days every tom dick and harry appears to have orange stickers whether they're disabled or not (for Mums, Grans etc).
So what makes you any better than the scum who dishonestly obtain a blue badge then?
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 3:27pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Karen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote:
While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....[/quote] I'm with you on that one Ed :D
Until law has been passed I shall continue to park in what ever bay I wish :D If they brought back invilid carriages I might be a bit more conforming, as it was easy to see that they were genuinely disabled but these days every tom dick and harry appears to have orange stickers whether they're disabled or not (for Mums, Grans etc).[/quote] So what makes you any better than the scum who dishonestly obtain a blue badge then?[/quote] Phil humour karen,she's awaiting brain surgery,she is not aware of what she is saying,and is to be pittied.Her just rewards WILL come.
Phil wrote:
Karen wrote:
ED wrote:
While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....
I'm with you on that one Ed :D
Until law has been passed I shall continue to park in what ever bay I wish :D If they brought back invilid carriages I might be a bit more conforming, as it was easy to see that they were genuinely disabled but these days every tom dick and harry appears to have orange stickers whether they're disabled or not (for Mums, Grans etc).
So what makes you any better than the scum who dishonestly obtain a blue badge then?
Phil humour karen,she's awaiting brain surgery,she is not aware of what she is saying,and is to be pittied.Her just rewards WILL come.
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 3:37pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Karen's logic…
It's okay for me to park in disabled bays when not entitled because some others (particularly those abusing the blue badge scheme) get away with it.
So is it okay for me to steal because some others do it and get away with it?
And is it okay for me to kill people because some others do it and get away with it?
Hey, you can justify any wrongdoing with this logic! I wonder how it would play in court though.
Karen's logic…
It's okay for me to park in disabled bays when not entitled because some others (particularly those abusing the blue badge scheme) get away with it.
So is it okay for me to steal because some others do it and get away with it?
And is it okay for me to kill people because some others do it and get away with it?
Hey, you can justify any wrongdoing with this logic! I wonder how it would play in court though.
Posted by: ..ig34 on 3:51pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Posted by: Karen, Poole on 12:17pm Tue 2 Oct 07
I see the Echo are happy to air this feud yet again. Me? I like to park near the entrance as the car is less likely to be tampered with because it's a busy area. Plus of course, we don't need to justify to anyone where we want to park :)
I see the Echo are happy to air this feud yet again. Me? I like to park near the entrance as the car is less likely to be tampered with because it's a busy area. Plus of course, we don't need to justify to anyone where we want to park .
Karen you must try and remember what you previously posted,
No wonder your kids look at you and say 'retard'
Posted by: Karen, Poole on 12:17pm Tue 2 Oct 07
I see the Echo are happy to air this feud yet again. Me? I like to park near the entrance as the car is less likely to be tampered with because it's a busy area. Plus of course, we don't need to justify to anyone where we want to park :)
I see the Echo are happy to air this feud yet again. Me? I like to park near the entrance as the car is less likely to be tampered with because it's a busy area. Plus of course, we don't need to justify to anyone where we want to park .
Karen you must try and remember what you previously posted,
No wonder your kids look at you and say 'retard'
Posted by: Jane, poole on 3:59pm Tue 15 Jan 08
I take my disabled sister shopping to asda in Poole every tues & quite often struggle to find a disabled space. These spaces are necessary for her as not only does she suffer extreme pain & difficulty walking but she has to have the car door as wide as it wil go to be able to get her legs out. I really think there are far to many lazy & ignorant people around. anyone worried about the car being tampered with should maybe leave it at home?? something she would find difficult to do with her legs that dont work well enough to get her out of the car. As far as mother/ child spaces as a mother of a 12 & 13 yr old i only use them late in the eve when there are few people around. Its time people started having a little more consideration for each other then maybe the world would be a nicer place !!
I take my disabled sister shopping to asda in Poole every tues & quite often struggle to find a disabled space. These spaces are necessary for her as not only does she suffer extreme pain & difficulty walking but she has to have the car door as wide as it wil go to be able to get her legs out. I really think there are far to many lazy & ignorant people around. anyone worried about the car being tampered with should maybe leave it at home?? something she would find difficult to do with her legs that dont work well enough to get her out of the car. As far as mother/ child spaces as a mother of a 12 & 13 yr old i only use them late in the eve when there are few people around. Its time people started having a little more consideration for each other then maybe the world would be a nicer place !!
Posted by: ninelystort, bournemouth on 4:15pm Tue 15 Jan 08
There has always been people who abuse the disabled badge system and always will be. The problem is that there is no parking system in place at places like Castlepoint which causes all the chaos at times.People do get annoyed when they see disabled parking spaces bing abused by drivers who are not entitled to use them.As for fines there are far too many organisations fining people these days including the police, councils and especially those rouges called clamping companies.
There has always been people who abuse the disabled badge system and always will be. The problem is that there is no parking system in place at places like Castlepoint which causes all the chaos at times.People do get annoyed when they see disabled parking spaces bing abused by drivers who are not entitled to use them.As for fines there are far too many organisations fining people these days including the police, councils and especially those rouges called clamping companies.
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 4:27pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]ninelystort[/bold] wrote:
There has always been people who abuse the disabled badge system and always will be. The problem is that there is no parking system in place at places like Castlepoint which causes all the chaos at times.People do get annoyed when they see disabled parking spaces bing abused by drivers who are not entitled to use them.As for fines there are far too many organisations fining people these days including the police, councils and especially those rouges called clamping companies.[/quote] Defeatist. That's like saying the police shouldn't bother tackling particular crimes because 'there's always been a problem with xyz and always will be'.
ninelystort wrote:
There has always been people who abuse the disabled badge system and always will be. The problem is that there is no parking system in place at places like Castlepoint which causes all the chaos at times.People do get annoyed when they see disabled parking spaces bing abused by drivers who are not entitled to use them.As for fines there are far too many organisations fining people these days including the police, councils and especially those rouges called clamping companies.
Defeatist. That's like saying the police shouldn't bother tackling particular crimes because 'there's always been a problem with xyz and always will be'.
Posted by: xchmum, Christchurch on 4:28pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]teddy[/bold] wrote:
Didn't think Pete could afford to go shopping as you are always moaning about hard up you are - too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.As for fines just don't pay them. it is just another wat of the super chains making more money. It is only too common these days.You should refuse to pay any fine as they are not legally enforceable.[/quote] There is a photo on each blue disabled parking badge, on the reverse so that we can't get any abuse from people who don't understand what it is like to be disabled.
teddy wrote:
Didn't think Pete could afford to go shopping as you are always moaning about hard up you are - too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.As for fines just don't pay them. it is just another wat of the super chains making more money. It is only too common these days.You should refuse to pay any fine as they are not legally enforceable.
There is a photo on each blue disabled parking badge, on the reverse so that we can't get any abuse from people who don't understand what it is like to be disabled.
Posted by: Emulated, Bournemouth on 4:34pm Tue 15 Jan 08
As many of the cars with disabled badges do not have disabled people in them, I am not suprised people park in their marked bays. I have seen women with children in mother and baby bays and all the kids were over 10 years old. Need to sort out the cons before having a go at the general public.
As many of the cars with disabled badges do not have disabled people in them, I am not suprised people park in their marked bays. I have seen women with children in mother and baby bays and all the kids were over 10 years old. Need to sort out the cons before having a go at the general public.
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 4:39pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]xchmum[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]teddy[/bold] wrote:
Didn't think Pete could afford to go shopping as you are always moaning about hard up you are - too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.As for fines just don't pay them. it is just another wat of the super chains making more money. It is only too common these days.You should refuse to pay any fine as they are not legally enforceable.[/quote] There is a photo on each blue disabled parking badge, on the reverse so that we can't get any abuse from people who don't understand what it is like to be disabled.[/quote] For heavens sake,when the badge is displayed properly no one can see the photo,and who wants to risk a punchup if they can,so as others have pointed out to you councillor,and karen has said, the idiots will park where they like.well done again for stupid advice.
xchmum wrote:
teddy wrote:
Didn't think Pete could afford to go shopping as you are always moaning about hard up you are - too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.As for fines just don't pay them. it is just another wat of the super chains making more money. It is only too common these days.You should refuse to pay any fine as they are not legally enforceable.
There is a photo on each blue disabled parking badge, on the reverse so that we can't get any abuse from people who don't understand what it is like to be disabled.
For heavens sake,when the badge is displayed properly no one can see the photo,and who wants to risk a punchup if they can,so as others have pointed out to you councillor,and karen has said, the idiots will park where they like.well done again for stupid advice.
Posted by: ad, Poole on 4:43pm Tue 15 Jan 08
I also think that the fines should also extend to people who park over 2 spaces!! There is no excuse for it!!
I also think that the fines should also extend to people who park over 2 spaces!! There is no excuse for it!!
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 4:58pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Emulated[/bold] wrote:
As many of the cars with disabled badges do not have disabled people in them, I am not suprised people park in their marked bays. I have seen women with children in mother and baby bays and all the kids were over 10 years old. Need to sort out the cons before having a go at the general public. [/quote] Yet again, I must repeat my question…
What makes the small minority (for that's what it is) of the general public who park in disabled bays when not entitled any better than the 'cons' who fiddle the system to get a blue badge?
Nothing, that's what! So stop condoning their despicable, selfish behaviour.
Emulated wrote:
As many of the cars with disabled badges do not have disabled people in them, I am not suprised people park in their marked bays. I have seen women with children in mother and baby bays and all the kids were over 10 years old. Need to sort out the cons before having a go at the general public.
Yet again, I must repeat my question…
What makes the small minority (for that's what it is) of the general public who park in disabled bays when not entitled any better than the 'cons' who fiddle the system to get a blue badge?
Nothing, that's what! So stop condoning their despicable, selfish behaviour.
Posted by: Jane, poole on 5:06pm Tue 15 Jan 08
I think as far as supermarket car parks go the answer would be that people have a registered card to display from the actual supermarket that way they would have to prove disability on applying for the card. The same system could be applied to mother child where parents could register if they have children under a certain age.
As for this little gem
'Disabled can shop from home for griefs sake. Its delivered for the cost of your petrol/Taxi/bus ride there and back. Computers are less cost than a weeks coach trip to Bulgaria.'
posted by munkstar at 12.04 today, is it not bad enough that these people are trapped in bodies that dont work properly without taking away their freedom to choose their own fruit & veg & making them prisoners in their own homes!!!
I think as far as supermarket car parks go the answer would be that people have a registered card to display from the actual supermarket that way they would have to prove disability on applying for the card. The same system could be applied to mother child where parents could register if they have children under a certain age.
As for this little gem
'Disabled can shop from home for griefs sake. Its delivered for the cost of your petrol/Taxi/bus ride there and back. Computers are less cost than a weeks coach trip to Bulgaria.'
posted by munkstar at 12.04 today, is it not bad enough that these people are trapped in bodies that dont work properly without taking away their freedom to choose their own fruit & veg & making them prisoners in their own homes!!!
Posted by: chellk, dorset on 6:07pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]munchkin[/bold] wrote:
just to put the cat among the pigeons - you want to see some of the looks received by a parent getting their child out of the car in a disabled space - terrible yes but not if that child is registered disabled , you can not always see a disability. People need to look a little further than the ends of their noses.[/quote] Agree completely.
munchkin wrote:
just to put the cat among the pigeons - you want to see some of the looks received by a parent getting their child out of the car in a disabled space - terrible yes but not if that child is registered disabled , you can not always see a disability. People need to look a little further than the ends of their noses.
Agree completely.
Posted by: Jerry, poole, dorset on 6:42pm Tue 15 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Karen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]ED[/bold] wrote: While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....[/quote] I'm with you on that one Ed :D Until law has been passed I shall continue to park in what ever bay I wish :D If they brought back invilid carriages I might be a bit more conforming, as it was easy to see that they were genuinely disabled but these days every tom dick and harry appears to have orange stickers whether they're disabled or not (for Mums, Grans etc).[/quote] Actually, they're BLUE now.
Karen wrote:
ED wrote: While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....
I'm with you on that one Ed :D Until law has been passed I shall continue to park in what ever bay I wish :D If they brought back invilid carriages I might be a bit more conforming, as it was easy to see that they were genuinely disabled but these days every tom dick and harry appears to have orange stickers whether they're disabled or not (for Mums, Grans etc).
Actually, they're BLUE now.
Posted by: Charlie on 7:21pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Several points:
[bold](1) ED[/bold][bold] : “How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....”[/bold] Usually using a trolley for support. Doing that it totally different from walking across a car park. Besides which painful feet and aching hips can take just so much before the pain becomes absolutely unbearable. Saving the walk across a car park can make the difference between being able to shop and not being able to.
[bold](2)ED: "While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....d: "[/bold] There are two classes of mobility scooter - those that can only do 4 mph, can be used on pavements and do not have to be taxed or insured. Those that can do 4 mph and 8 mph. At 8 mph they have to be driven on the roads and must be taxed and insured.
[bold](3)Munkstar: “Disabled can shop from home for griefs sake. Its delivered for the cost of your petrol/Taxi/bus ride there and back. Computers are less cost than a weeks coach trip to Bulgaria.”[/bold] That’s the caring thing to do – keep the disabled out of sight at home and housebound.
[bold](4)Teddy: “too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.”[/bold] There are photos on the badges – on the back – but they have to be shown with the expiry date showing. The reason I was told that photos aren’t made visible is that women alone could be vulnerable. The main people abusing the badge are friends or relatives of the badge holder who use it illegally. Shane Ritchie (Alfie in Eastenders) was pulled for using his sister’s/brother’s wife? badge. His excuse was that it was a family badge – there’s no such thing. It applies only to the person it was issued to so they can have a more comfortable visit to supermarkets, clubs, etc, not so they can sit in the car while someone accompanying them doesn’t have to walk too far.
Several points:
(1) ED : “How many people do you know who are so disabled they cant walk across a Car Park ?? - they seem to manage wandering around the shop ok....” Usually using a trolley for support. Doing that it totally different from walking across a car park. Besides which painful feet and aching hips can take just so much before the pain becomes absolutely unbearable. Saving the walk across a car park can make the difference between being able to shop and not being able to.
(2)ED: "While i'm about it - i'd tax mobility scooters and make the dangerous idiots that ride them pay insurance.....d: " There are two classes of mobility scooter - those that can only do 4 mph, can be used on pavements and do not have to be taxed or insured. Those that can do 4 mph and 8 mph. At 8 mph they have to be driven on the roads and must be taxed and insured.
(3)Munkstar: “Disabled can shop from home for griefs sake. Its delivered for the cost of your petrol/Taxi/bus ride there and back. Computers are less cost than a weeks coach trip to Bulgaria.” That’s the caring thing to do – keep the disabled out of sight at home and housebound.
(4)Teddy: “too many people abuse the disabled badges. There should be photos on all the passes so relative cannot use them when the real disabled person is not in the car.” There are photos on the badges – on the back – but they have to be shown with the expiry date showing. The reason I was told that photos aren’t made visible is that women alone could be vulnerable. The main people abusing the badge are friends or relatives of the badge holder who use it illegally. Shane Ritchie (Alfie in Eastenders) was pulled for using his sister’s/brother’s wife? badge. His excuse was that it was a family badge – there’s no such thing. It applies only to the person it was issued to so they can have a more comfortable visit to supermarkets, clubs, etc, not so they can sit in the car while someone accompanying them doesn’t have to walk too far.
Posted by: johnx, poole on 7:30pm Tue 15 Jan 08
And when will they take action against the morons who can't even be bothered to park their bmws and 4X4s in parking spaces and just park in fron of the store?
And when will they take action against the morons who can't even be bothered to park their bmws and 4X4s in parking spaces and just park in fron of the store?
Posted by: Jane, poole on 7:46pm Tue 15 Jan 08
I do actually feel that where badges are abused by members of the family the disabled person is at least partly to blame. I wouldnt dream of asking for the use of my sisters badge any more than she would let me use. The main situation where this isnt true of course is where a child has the misfortune to require a badge & the parent uses it to his/her advantage whilst the child is at school which i think is appauling. How can people use other the misfortunes of others ro their own ends????
I agree with johnx about 4x4s which no matter how you look at it are not a necessary part of life around town. If the drivers do bother to park in the spaces they take up 2 but pay for 1 !!
I do actually feel that where badges are abused by members of the family the disabled person is at least partly to blame. I wouldnt dream of asking for the use of my sisters badge any more than she would let me use. The main situation where this isnt true of course is where a child has the misfortune to require a badge & the parent uses it to his/her advantage whilst the child is at school which i think is appauling. How can people use other the misfortunes of others ro their own ends????
I agree with johnx about 4x4s which no matter how you look at it are not a necessary part of life around town. If the drivers do bother to park in the spaces they take up 2 but pay for 1 !!
Posted by: norbitonpaul on 8:22pm Tue 15 Jan 08
Typical disabled space user...4X4/BMW/Merc driver sporting personalised number plates (eg 5EXY).
Yes they may be displaying the disabled shield on the dashboard (probably a forgery), but we know that the majority of these folks are simply taking the p**s.
Alas, it is yet another d
