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New objections facing relief road land purchase

NEW objections have been lodged to compulsory purchase orders linked to plans for Weymouth's £84 million relief road.

The objections will go before inspector Alan Gray when he reconvenes a public inquiry into compulsory purchase and side road orders at County Hall, Dorchester, on March 11.

County council relief road project manager Matthew Piles explained that the objections include ones from the Woodland Trust and Dorset Wildlife Trust.

He said: "The inspector has made his final site visit and the county council is working very productively towards preparing for the resumption of the inquiry.

"That will consider an objection from the Woodland Trust who are not prepared to agree to an exchange of land which would effectively give them a piece of land to replace their land lost to the scheme at Two Mile Coppice.

"It is the Woodland Trust's case that they don't think it is an equal exchange because the land they would lose is ancient woodland which is irreplaceable.

"We accept that the new land cannot replace the ancient woodland being lost but our argument is that we are providing more land at Horselynch Plantation than is being lost at Two Mile Coppice and that it is 200-year-old woodland which is publicly accessible.

"Dorset Wildlife Trust also objects because they would like to manage the ecological mitigation area as a whole and fear is may be fragmented. We are now working with the Trust to try and answer their concerns."

DWT conservation head Imogen Davenport said: "I am very much hoping that we can resolve all the issues we have raised with the county council to our satisfaction before the inquiry resumes.

"We need some reassurances including one that we can continue to manage most of the Lorton Meadows nature reserve."

Justin Millward for the Woodland Trust said: "Basically we do not feel that the land we are being offered by the county council to make up for losing ancient woodland at Two Miles Coppice is comparable. Ancient woodland is irreplaceable."

9:41am Wednesday 23rd January 2008

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Posted by: Nimrod, Weymouth on 9:49am Wed 23 Jan 08
Is it time to consider charging the Woodland Trust with wasting public funds?
Posted by: Squinky, Dorchester on 9:56am Wed 23 Jan 08
Well put, Nimrod. Hasn't this gone on long enough? Obviously the environment is important but if an alternative site, and a bigger one at that, is being offered, I think that's fair. I'm sure the people of Weymouth are sick and tired of all these delays.
Posted by: Al44, Weymouth on 10:10am Wed 23 Jan 08
Squinky: Not that I am taking the Woodland Trust's side on this, but quantity of land does not make up for the loss of quality woodland. I'm guessing that the Trust is holding out for the Council's best offer (as any of us would, if we were affected). Clearly an agreement can be reached to provide adequate compensation, perhaps planting a substantial number of native species? After all, providing new woodland is important too.
Posted by: Community stirrer on 11:21am Wed 23 Jan 08

Enough of this nonsense , get around these objections by treating these woods as bio fuel!!!
This fits in with their green objectives, and eco friendly attitude? Wots wrong with that then.
Relief road now
Posted by: No New Road please, Dorchester Road on 11:43am Wed 23 Jan 08
The more objections the better.
Posted by: GIVE THEM LAND, Dorch on 11:51am Wed 23 Jan 08
For the love of god, just give them a large amount of decent land AND STOP TRYING IT ON.
Public Services, who'd have em???
Posted by: Weymouth to Dorchester commuter, Weymouth on 11:57am Wed 23 Jan 08
What a surprise. I,v been saying all along that this road will never get built. And i still think that now. I,d love to know if any of these objectors actually sit in the queues of traffic.On an average day it takes me 35mins to travel 7 miles from Weymouth to Dorchester. Thats the equivelent of 12 miles per hour! It took me over an hour once to get to Dorchester, because of an accident.When will this end? Its been going on for years! Something needs to be done.
Posted by: i give up, somewhere on 12:30pm Wed 23 Jan 08
If there were decent job opportunities in the area, then people wouldn't have to leave weymouth to find work, but that won't happen as we haven't got any decent road infrastructure to get employers down here in the first instance. Or is it just going to become another gods waiting room?
Posted by: Community stirrer on 3:20pm Wed 23 Jan 08
i give up wrote:
If there were decent job opportunities in the area, then people wouldn't have to leave weymouth to find work, but that won't happen as we haven't got any decent road infrastructure to get employers down here in the first instance. Or is it just going to become another gods waiting room?
Or stuck in the traffic waiting to get to your own funeral-mustn't keep the crem waiting!
Posted by: swampysmate, digginin on 3:22pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Don't worry pro roaders. Time and money aint the only thing to whinge about. If, god forbid, this white elephant ever gets the go ahead imagine my delight when the eco warriors descend to implement a touch of direct action. And I'll be joining them. Sugar in the petrol tank anyone?
Posted by: James Young, Dorchester on 3:56pm Wed 23 Jan 08
swampysmate wrote:
Don't worry pro roaders. Time and money aint the only thing to whinge about. If, god forbid, this white elephant ever gets the go ahead imagine my delight when the eco warriors descend to implement a touch of direct action. And I'll be joining them. Sugar in the petrol tank anyone?
I'm sure we pro-roaders would also be happy at the opportunity to give these "eco warriors" the good kicking that they deserve.

Unfortunately, though, i suspect we are law abiding, so whilst these so called eco-warriors are trespassing on other people's land, obstructing lawful development and causing more congestion.

But i look forward to your green friends working out how many megatons of carbon will be released by the news crews and helicopters that will have to cover the story, not to mention their travel to the site. I am sure that in the best interests of the environment they will recognize that such profligate generation of CO2 is wasteful given that the battle will not be won.

Of course, if any more benefits offices close, then i doubt many of them will show up anyway.
Posted by: genghis, portland on 5:06pm Wed 23 Jan 08
swampysmate wrote:
Don't worry pro roaders. Time and money aint the only thing to whinge about. If, god forbid, this white elephant ever gets the go ahead imagine my delight when the eco warriors descend to implement a touch of direct action. And I'll be joining them. Sugar in the petrol tank anyone?
Have you seen the state of an area after it's been visited by these eco-warriors? It's nothing short of a pig sty crossed with an household waste infill site. They burn everything they can lay their hands on. Eco-friendly? Their anything but that.
Posted by: Alan, Weymouth (local) on 6:18pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Weymouth to Dorchester commuter wrote:
What a surprise. I,v been saying all along that this road will never get built. And i still think that now. I,d love to know if any of these objectors actually sit in the queues of traffic.On an average day it takes me 35mins to travel 7 miles from Weymouth to Dorchester. Thats the equivelent of 12 miles per hour! It took me over an hour once to get to Dorchester, because of an accident.When will this end? Its been going on for years! Something needs to be done.
I've got an idea!
We once had a power cut that lasted for an hour.
Let's campaign for a new power station.


Something does need to be done. It's called encouraging better public transport.

Can't be done? Look up the Six Towns report.


On top of that we have the new emissions reduction targets published today. And we all know that the new road will increase emissions, because DCC have done the maths and told us.

Hmmm! New roads, or more wind farms.?

Posted by: Zara, Weymouth on 6:25pm Wed 23 Jan 08
"Ancient woodland is irreplaceable."


How very true. 2-faced Knight said exactly that when he posed in his DEFRA clothes.

Posted by: observer on 6:40pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Weymouth to Dorchester commuter wrote:
What a surprise. I,v been saying all along that this road will never get built. And i still think that now. I,d love to know if any of these objectors actually sit in the queues of traffic.On an average day it takes me 35mins to travel 7 miles from Weymouth to Dorchester. Thats the equivelent of 12 miles per hour! It took me over an hour once to get to Dorchester, because of an accident.When will this end? Its been going on for years! Something needs to be done.
Just as quick to cycle.
Posted by: Leo, Weymouth on 7:08pm Wed 23 Jan 08
The more delays and spanners in the works of this massive disastrous plan the better!
Posted by: GET ON WITH IT WHILE WE ARE STILL ALIVE, no longer on horseback on 7:17pm Wed 23 Jan 08
Ancient woodland is irreplaceable."

So, why are we planting trees in the 21st century?
Glad people in the 15th,17th or 19th century thought otherwise.
plans for Weymouth's £84 million relief road.

Are these 21st or 23rd century prices?
Posted by: Get Lost Eco ****, weymouth on 9:32am Thu 24 Jan 08
Alan wrote:
Weymouth to Dorchester commuter wrote:
What a surprise. I,v been saying all along that this road will never get built. And i still think that now. I,d love to know if any of these objectors actually sit in the queues of traffic.On an average day it takes me 35mins to travel 7 miles from Weymouth to Dorchester. Thats the equivelent of 12 miles per hour! It took me over an hour once to get to Dorchester, because of an accident.When will this end? Its been going on for years! Something needs to be done.
I've got an idea!
We once had a power cut that lasted for an hour.
Let's campaign for a new power station.


Something does need to be done. It's called encouraging better public transport.

Can't be done? Look up the Six Towns report.


On top of that we have the new emissions reduction targets published today. And we all know that the new road will increase emissions, because DCC have done the maths and told us.

Hmmm! New roads, or more wind farms.?

The new road will reduce emissions by cars moving over 5mph.

This is what I don't get. It will actually do better for the environment in the long term.
Posted by: District line- connecting on 10:15am Thu 24 Jan 08

what we need are tube trains -a few more tunnels , and trains every five minutes in a circular route!
then gradually extended to Wareham and Poole, Why not??
Posted by: Localbusinessman, Weymouth on 12:33pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Get Lost Eco **** wrote:
Alan wrote:
Weymouth to Dorchester commuter wrote: What a surprise. I,v been saying all along that this road will never get built. And i still think that now. I,d love to know if any of these objectors actually sit in the queues of traffic.On an average day it takes me 35mins to travel 7 miles from Weymouth to Dorchester. Thats the equivelent of 12 miles per hour! It took me over an hour once to get to Dorchester, because of an accident.When will this end? Its been going on for years! Something needs to be done.
I've got an idea! We once had a power cut that lasted for an hour. Let's campaign for a new power station. Something does need to be done. It's called encouraging better public transport. Can't be done? Look up the Six Towns report. On top of that we have the new emissions reduction targets published today. And we all know that the new road will increase emissions, because DCC have done the maths and told us. Hmmm! New roads, or more wind farms.?
The new road will reduce emissions by cars moving over 5mph. This is what I don't get. It will actually do better for the environment in the long term.
The reason that you don't get it, is that you are relying upon false instinct rather than fact.

The perception is that if traffic is moving faster, then journey times are reduced.

For example, (and we've all done it)motorists sometimes leave a traffic jam to take longer alternative routes. They arrive at their destination no sooner, and have burned more fuel, but they feel better for having been able to keep moving.

Although it might be argued that (when there is no traffic jam in Weymouth blocking the Morrison's roundabout), traffic could move faster than along the Dorchester road. However, the additional length of road means that journey times are not that much less.

Also, cars travelling at a higher speed are not necessarily more fuel efficient.

DCC would love to believe you, and would be only too pleased for you to tell them where their maths (which will be checked by the Department for Transport)is wrong.
Posted by: Dave, Broadwey on 2:29pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Localbusinessman wrote:
Get Lost Eco **** wrote:
Alan wrote:
Weymouth to Dorchester commuter wrote: What a surprise. I,v been saying all along that this road will never get built. And i still think that now. I,d love to know if any of these objectors actually sit in the queues of traffic.On an average day it takes me 35mins to travel 7 miles from Weymouth to Dorchester. Thats the equivelent of 12 miles per hour! It took me over an hour once to get to Dorchester, because of an accident.When will this end? Its been going on for years! Something needs to be done.
I\'ve got an idea! We once had a power cut that lasted for an hour. Let\'s campaign for a new power station. Something does need to be done. It\'s called encouraging better public transport. Can\'t be done? Look up the Six Towns report. On top of that we have the new emissions reduction targets published today. And we all know that the new road will increase emissions, because DCC have done the maths and told us. Hmmm! New roads, or more wind farms.?
The new road will reduce emissions by cars moving over 5mph. This is what I don\'t get. It will actually do better for the environment in the long term.
The reason that you don\'t get it, is that you are relying upon false instinct rather than fact. The perception is that if traffic is moving faster, then journey times are reduced. For example, (and we\'ve all done it)motorists sometimes leave a traffic jam to take longer alternative routes. They arrive at their destination no sooner, and have burned more fuel, but they feel better for having been able to keep moving. Although it might be argued that (when there is no traffic jam in Weymouth blocking the Morrison\'s roundabout), traffic could move faster than along the Dorchester road. However, the additional length of road means that journey times are not that much less. Also, cars travelling at a higher speed are not necessarily more fuel efficient. DCC would love to believe you, and would be only too pleased for you to tell them where their maths (which will be checked by the Department for Transport)is wrong.
I have walked in these woods and they are a mess. 8 years ago they were damaged by these eco warriors.
I work in Christchurch and the worst part of that commute is the Dorchester Rd on the way home.The last mile often takes 20min+. My car is polluting the area and yes I would love to work closer to home.
Posted by: Scolopax, Wyke Regis on 5:34pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Dave, Why not take a train to Christchurch, there's a station near you called 'Upwey and Broadwey' or you could bike to Weymouth Station.
Posted by: Max, Upwey on 6:03pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Dave,
As one who enjoys Two-Mile Coppice on a regular basis, I can say that the woods are not in a mess, though the main tracks have been churned by horse-riders have used them. However, that's not a problem unless the ground is very wet.

When you talk of the 'eco-warriors', I suspect that you are in fact talking about those who moved into Horselynch plantation.

But, and I note that you are from Broadwey and so have a vested interest in the proposed new road, I suspect that telling the truth is low on your list of priorities.
Posted by: Rose, Littlemoor on 6:09pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Dave,

A bit of lateral thinking is required.

If you want to work closer to home, why not move to Christchurch.

Better all round for everybody.
Posted by: Sarah, Dorchester on 6:16pm Thu 24 Jan 08
I believe the report is incorrect.

My understanding is that the Inspector asked DCC whether they had made asequate provision to replace the public access land that is Two-Mile Coppice. They hadn't, so are now offering woodland that they had previously promied to another landowner as mitigation for lost land.

Would you trust DCC? No sir, not me!
And I work for them!
Posted by: piddlerpete, dorset on 8:36pm Thu 24 Jan 08
Weymouth to Dorchester commuter wrote:
What a surprise. I,v been saying all along that this road will never get built. And i still think that now. I,d love to know if any of these objectors actually sit in the queues of traffic.On an average day it takes me 35mins to travel 7 miles from Weymouth to Dorchester. Thats the equivelent of 12 miles per hour! It took me over an hour once to get to Dorchester, because of an accident.When will this end? Its been going on for years! Something needs to be done.
look on the bright side you wont get a ticket for speeding then
Posted by: Adi Nuff on 10:03pm Thu 24 Jan 08
piddlerpete wrote:
Weymouth to Dorchester commuter wrote: What a surprise. I,v been saying all along that this road will never get built. And i still think that now. I,d love to know if any of these objectors actually sit in the queues of traffic.On an average day it takes me 35mins to travel 7 miles from Weymouth to Dorchester. Thats the equivelent of 12 miles per hour! It took me over an hour once to get to Dorchester, because of an accident.When will this end? Its been going on for years! Something needs to be done.
look on the bright side you wont get a ticket for speeding then
PIDDLER P --
and a wit to boot!
Look now ,you people,
don't you get it???
You must know it is just one person under many different guises
protesting about this road on line. You can tell who is genuine by their sound chatter and well informed background ,but every anti in Wessex is probably stoned out of their brains, and hiding up a tree somewhere and screeching 'yeh man', with a snappy dog by his side, and equally snarly scary jewelled nosed girlfriend in tow, that why should they care anyway about comments , they just grunt and create mayhem!!!!
So everyone repeat now-
Relief Road Now!!!
Posted by: james, weymouth on 1:00pm Fri 25 Jan 08
The only people against this road are retired oap's and jobless eco warriors. RELIEF ROAD NOW!!!!!!!
Posted by: Scolopax, Wyke Regis on 2:30pm Fri 25 Jan 08
James, I don't think that's strictly true, can you back up your claim?
Posted by: james, weymouth on 5:19pm Fri 25 Jan 08
oh yes sorry, I forgot the people who work in Weymouth!
Posted by: Leo, Weymouth on 5:12pm Sat 26 Jan 08
Not stoned, not jobless, not an oap and not the same person as other anti road people on this site (hope that covers the points above) ...And also live a few yards form the Dorchester Road in Upwey and use it every day (and don't whinge about it). OK?
Posted by: Gilbert, Wyke Regis on 10:05pm Sat 26 Jan 08
Can someone please tell me when the 'Woodland Trust' puchased the land they are trying to defend. If it was in the last 30years, then they were fully aware that, the land was in the path of a proposed 'relief road'.
Am I being cynical or what? about their motives.
Support the road and let's get on with it.
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