An early chance for road debate
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| TOO MANY CARS: Dr Guy Dickinson |
BATTLE lines are being drawn ready for a
pre-meeting ahead of a public inquiry into proposals for Weymouth's £84 million relief road.
The main inquiry at The Heights hotel on Portland is on November 6 and will look into compulsory purchase orders and other measures proposed for the road.
But the hotel will also host an October 3 pre-inquiry meeting to set out a schedule for the inquiry.
In order for Dorset County Council to press ahead with its scheme it must acquire 91 lots over 138 hectares, or 341 acres.
The inquiry was prompted by objections from some people who own land along the route and nearly 400 people who disagree with the scheme or the route.
The route will run from Ridgeway to Manor Roundabout providing a bypass for Upwey, Broadwey and Redlands.
The proposed relief road would run alongside the railway and pass through Lorton Meadows Nature Reserve and Littlemoor before cutting through the lower Bincombe Valley and joining the existing Dorchester Road just before the Broadmayne road junction.
A county council spokesman said: "The purpose of the pre-inquiry meeting is to organise and prepare for the inquiry and established a timetable which will ensure the best use of time.
"The inquiry inspector, who will chair the pre-meeting, will call the county council, statutory objectors, others who are entitled to appear and anyone who has a particular view.
"The inspector will also decide what main inquiry matters are to be discussed."
Pressure group Bypass the Bypass's spokesman Dr Guy Dickinson has already said publicly: "There are too many cars already in Weymouth with frequent traffic jams all over, for example the Esplanade, the harbourside, Boot Hill, and Chickerell to name but a few.
"This proposed road just shoves the problem out of site through another housing area without solving anything."
He added that there were much better solutions to Weymouth's traffic problems including increasing and massively improving public transport.
He also cited reduced car use and restructuring the Littlemoor junction with Dorchester Road and said that the relief road was a 'very bad idea indeed' which would cause 'irreversible, unnecessary, catastrophic vandalism to a beautiful part of the countryside'.
11:22am Tuesday 18th September 2007
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CommentPosted by: Dorset Boy, Wilds of Dorset on 11:25am Tue 18 Sep 07
For £84 million read £100 million by the time meetings are over. Any advance on £100 million.
For £84 million read £100 million by the time meetings are over. Any advance on £100 million.
Posted by: Dorset Helmsman, Bridport on 12:34pm Tue 18 Sep 07
Yes it probably will get to £100m so maybe Weymouth & Portland Vouncil should be made to pay 50% as the people of Weymouth are so keen to save less than 5 minutes on the average journey getting to the Weymouth traffic jams
Yes it probably will get to £100m so maybe Weymouth & Portland Vouncil should be made to pay 50% as the people of Weymouth are so keen to save less than 5 minutes on the average journey getting to the Weymouth traffic jams
Posted by: Peter, weymouth on 1:03pm Tue 18 Sep 07
"For £84 million read £100 million by the time meetings are over. Any advance on £100 million."
Yes Dorset Boy! the costs are bound to increase, thanks to all those Luddites
"For £84 million read £100 million by the time meetings are over. Any advance on £100 million."
Yes Dorset Boy! the costs are bound to increase, thanks to all those Luddites
Posted by: Albo, Wyke Regis on 1:13pm Tue 18 Sep 07
I look forward to seeing BtB's arguments comprehensively demolished at the inquiry and buried in a recyclable cardboard coffin.
GET ON WITH IT!
I look forward to seeing BtB's arguments comprehensively demolished at the inquiry and buried in a recyclable cardboard coffin.
GET ON WITH IT!
Posted by: Get On With It!, Weymouth on 1:15pm Tue 18 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Dorset Helmsman[/bold] wrote:
Yes it probably will get to £100m so maybe Weymouth & Portland Vouncil should be made to pay 50% as the people of Weymouth are so keen to save less than 5 minutes on the average journey getting to the Weymouth traffic jams[/quote] Please do some research before you pass judgement on another town's problem.
You clearly do not know what you are talking about!
Dorset Helmsman wrote:
Yes it probably will get to £100m so maybe Weymouth & Portland Vouncil should be made to pay 50% as the people of Weymouth are so keen to save less than 5 minutes on the average journey getting to the Weymouth traffic jams
Please do some research before you pass judgement on another town's problem.
You clearly do not know what you are talking about!
Posted by: Fed Up With It!, Weymouth on 1:24pm Tue 18 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Albo[/bold] wrote:
I look forward to seeing BtB's arguments comprehensively demolished at the inquiry and buried in a recyclable cardboard coffin. GET ON WITH IT![/quote] Like they did in court recently when they lost the argument, had to pay costs, and yet still think they won?
And why oh why? do the Echo keep giving this vociferous, anti-road minority, a mouthpiece all the time? It is giving a completely distorted view of how the real majority of people in the area think of the plan. I have just started a new job in another town and most of the people there think all of Weymouth is against the plan - which is plainly ridiculous!
BUILD IT NOW!
Albo wrote:
I look forward to seeing BtB's arguments comprehensively demolished at the inquiry and buried in a recyclable cardboard coffin. GET ON WITH IT!
Like they did in court recently when they lost the argument, had to pay costs, and yet still think they won?
And why oh why? do the Echo keep giving this vociferous, anti-road minority, a mouthpiece all the time? It is giving a completely distorted view of how the real majority of people in the area think of the plan. I have just started a new job in another town and most of the people there think all of Weymouth is against the plan - which is plainly ridiculous!
BUILD IT NOW!
Posted by: terra firma, dorset on 1:56pm Tue 18 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Dorset Helmsman[/bold] wrote:
Yes it probably will get to £100m so maybe Weymouth & Portland Vouncil should be made to pay 50% as the people of Weymouth are so keen to save less than 5 minutes on the average journey getting to the Weymouth traffic jams[/quote] if you look at your own back door, you now have a wonderfull ne harbour, created at vast UK & European expense, to be enjoyed by locals and visitors alike. You also have an East - West access road which has seen many improvements over the years, including the Skilling so called By-Pass, while this road has just been talked about! So count your blessings. We on the other hand, unlike many other towns around the country that have access from all compass points are served by 3 roads covering only the NW to NE sector of the town. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realise the limitations and congestions this can cause during normal conditions, let alone when one or other of these routes is temporarily 'out of service'
Not all the traffic you talk about goes into Weymouth Centre anyway. With the on-going growth on Portland it is important that a route is established which doesn't futher diminish travelling conditions for local residents.
Weymouth is not, and never should be an island. Escape from Alcatraz would appear easier than travelling to and from the town!
Dorset Helmsman wrote:
Yes it probably will get to £100m so maybe Weymouth & Portland Vouncil should be made to pay 50% as the people of Weymouth are so keen to save less than 5 minutes on the average journey getting to the Weymouth traffic jams
if you look at your own back door, you now have a wonderfull ne harbour, created at vast UK & European expense, to be enjoyed by locals and visitors alike. You also have an East - West access road which has seen many improvements over the years, including the Skilling so called By-Pass, while this road has just been talked about! So count your blessings. We on the other hand, unlike many other towns around the country that have access from all compass points are served by 3 roads covering only the NW to NE sector of the town. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realise the limitations and congestions this can cause during normal conditions, let alone when one or other of these routes is temporarily 'out of service'
Not all the traffic you talk about goes into Weymouth Centre anyway. With the on-going growth on Portland it is important that a route is established which doesn't futher diminish travelling conditions for local residents.
Weymouth is not, and never should be an island. Escape from Alcatraz would appear easier than travelling to and from the town!
Posted by: Mike on 1:57pm Tue 18 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Fed Up With It![/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Albo[/bold] wrote: I look forward to seeing BtB\'s arguments comprehensively demolished at the inquiry and buried in a recyclable cardboard coffin. GET ON WITH IT![/quote] Like they did in court recently when they lost the argument, had to pay costs, and yet still think they won? And why oh why? do the Echo keep giving this vociferous, anti-road minority, a mouthpiece all the time? It is giving a completely distorted view of how the real majority of people in the area think of the plan. I have just started a new job in another town and most of the people there think all of Weymouth is against the plan - which is plainly ridiculous! BUILD IT NOW![/quote] Because, thank god, this is still a democracy. The Echo is fulfilling a valuable role in publicising all opinions.
Mine is we should not have this road. It will create more congestion in Weymouth and put yet another area of countryside under concrete. mike
Fed Up With It! wrote:
Albo wrote: I look forward to seeing BtB\'s arguments comprehensively demolished at the inquiry and buried in a recyclable cardboard coffin. GET ON WITH IT!
Like they did in court recently when they lost the argument, had to pay costs, and yet still think they won? And why oh why? do the Echo keep giving this vociferous, anti-road minority, a mouthpiece all the time? It is giving a completely distorted view of how the real majority of people in the area think of the plan. I have just started a new job in another town and most of the people there think all of Weymouth is against the plan - which is plainly ridiculous! BUILD IT NOW!
Because, thank god, this is still a democracy. The Echo is fulfilling a valuable role in publicising all opinions.
Mine is we should not have this road. It will create more congestion in Weymouth and put yet another area of countryside under concrete. mike
Posted by: Old Broadwey Resident, Busy Broadwey on 2:04pm Tue 18 Sep 07
Well I do hope that the enquiry officer has access to the facts rather than the half truths and conjecture found on BtheB website!
Responding to each of Dr Guy Dickinson's comments:
1. Traffic jams in Weymouth...the relief road includes a large Park and Ride facility together with better cycle links and improved public transport reliability.
2. The route of the proposed road has been on the local plan for over 20 years and more than evident at Littlemoor and Manor rounabouts. The existing road, in Broadwey passes just a few feet from front doors and in no way will anything like that impact be felt by the relatively few adjacent properties on the proposed relief road route!
3.He suggests improving public transport...great idea and will be a feasible proposition once the relief road is built. Personally I'm not convinced by the public transport holy grail as I remember when buses ran, frequently and to time. They carried a conductor so delays at stops were non existent and yet even with massive subsidies the number of passengers fell year on year!
4. Build a roundabout at Littlemoor junction..another casual suggestion that takes no account of the additional land required in the locality..there is a grave yard here! Also the fact that both the Dorchester Road and Littlemoor roads are reidential, just like the one Dr Dickinson lives in, and at the moment the short interval during light changes allows vehicles to access the Dorchester road from the many houses and side strees in Broadwey! Besides, increasingly roundabouts are now being controlled by traffic lights!
5.As for the countryside, the impact has been reduced to a minimum by running the proposed relief road adjacent to the exising railway line. The local environmental benefits far outway the detrimental effect of the proposed route!
[bold]RELIEF ROAD NOW[/bold]
Well I do hope that the enquiry officer has access to the facts rather than the half truths and conjecture found on BtheB website!
Responding to each of Dr Guy Dickinson's comments:
1. Traffic jams in Weymouth...the relief road includes a large Park and Ride facility together with better cycle links and improved public transport reliability.
2. The route of the proposed road has been on the local plan for over 20 years and more than evident at Littlemoor and Manor rounabouts. The existing road, in Broadwey passes just a few feet from front doors and in no way will anything like that impact be felt by the relatively few adjacent properties on the proposed relief road route!
3.He suggests improving public transport...great idea and will be a feasible proposition once the relief road is built. Personally I'm not convinced by the public transport holy grail as I remember when buses ran, frequently and to time. They carried a conductor so delays at stops were non existent and yet even with massive subsidies the number of passengers fell year on year!
4. Build a roundabout at Littlemoor junction..another casual suggestion that takes no account of the additional land required in the locality..there is a grave yard here! Also the fact that both the Dorchester Road and Littlemoor roads are reidential, just like the one Dr Dickinson lives in, and at the moment the short interval during light changes allows vehicles to access the Dorchester road from the many houses and side strees in Broadwey! Besides, increasingly roundabouts are now being controlled by traffic lights!
5.As for the countryside, the impact has been reduced to a minimum by running the proposed relief road adjacent to the exising railway line. The local environmental benefits far outway the detrimental effect of the proposed route!
RELIEF ROAD NOW Posted by: Jimbo, Weymouth on 2:21pm Tue 18 Sep 07
I think this sums it up:
[quote]bypass for Upwey, Broadwey and Redlands[/quote]
How is it going to help the rest of Weymouth???
It will not make any improvement to the HUGE traffic problems at Preston, The Esplanade, King Steet, Westham Roundabout, Newstead Road, Boot Hill, Lanehouse Rocks Road and Portland Road.
So the road will help people get to Weymouth, just not through or around it!
I think this sums it up:
bypass for Upwey, Broadwey and Redlands
How is it going to help the rest of Weymouth???
It will not make any improvement to the HUGE traffic problems at Preston, The Esplanade, King Steet, Westham Roundabout, Newstead Road, Boot Hill, Lanehouse Rocks Road and Portland Road.
So the road will help people get to Weymouth, just not through or around it!
Posted by: terra firma, dorset on 2:26pm Tue 18 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Jimbo[/bold] wrote:
I think this sums it up: [quote]bypass for Upwey, Broadwey and Redlands[/quote] How is it going to help the rest of Weymouth??? It will not make any improvement to the HUGE traffic problems at Preston, The Esplanade, King Steet, Westham Roundabout, Newstead Road, Boot Hill, Lanehouse Rocks Road and Portland Road. So the road will help people get to Weymouth, just not through or around it![/quote] Jimbo
Can I suggest you go and spend a while on Ferrybridge counting the traffic in both directions. Given that at least half of this will be 'through' traffic, you will have some idea on how this will affect the areas you list
Jimbo wrote:
I think this sums it up: bypass for Upwey, Broadwey and Redlands
How is it going to help the rest of Weymouth??? It will not make any improvement to the HUGE traffic problems at Preston, The Esplanade, King Steet, Westham Roundabout, Newstead Road, Boot Hill, Lanehouse Rocks Road and Portland Road. So the road will help people get to Weymouth, just not through or around it!
Jimbo
Can I suggest you go and spend a while on Ferrybridge counting the traffic in both directions. Given that at least half of this will be 'through' traffic, you will have some idea on how this will affect the areas you list
Posted by: maggawags on 2:46pm Tue 18 Sep 07
Dr Guy Dickinson has put forward a very intelligent argument for not having the relief road( why does he insist on calling it a bypass) He uses a lot of medical terms to illustrate his point as to why this relief road should not be built.
He says that an extra 2 million people will die due to the effects of global warming, I will say to him that he must look beyond the back yard, and raise hell and start first with the Chinese, then the Americans and bring them to account, they are in effect poisoning our planet, no one thinks about stopping them! whilst we quietly get on with pushing this very much needed little relief road forward.
Using this sort of qausi intellectual argument about local issues, and knowing that we send half our plastics to be recycled/incinerated to China, and tea pickers are on a starvation wage, and the inequality there is in India with the caste system, and the ghastly inept Russian way of ruining their own country with no care for the health of their own nation--these things need looking at first, without the meddlesome input of a few naive fashionable for the moment eco followers who seem to be making prize idiots out of themselves by putting forward pathetic arguments. These people will be stopping channel traffic next.
[bold]Just get the road built quickly[/bold]
Dr Guy Dickinson has put forward a very intelligent argument for not having the relief road( why does he insist on calling it a bypass) He uses a lot of medical terms to illustrate his point as to why this relief road should not be built.
He says that an extra 2 million people will die due to the effects of global warming, I will say to him that he must look beyond the back yard, and raise hell and start first with the Chinese, then the Americans and bring them to account, they are in effect poisoning our planet, no one thinks about stopping them! whilst we quietly get on with pushing this very much needed little relief road forward.
Using this sort of qausi intellectual argument about local issues, and knowing that we send half our plastics to be recycled/incinerated to China, and tea pickers are on a starvation wage, and the inequality there is in India with the caste system, and the ghastly inept Russian way of ruining their own country with no care for the health of their own nation--these things need looking at first, without the meddlesome input of a few naive fashionable for the moment eco followers who seem to be making prize idiots out of themselves by putting forward pathetic arguments. These people will be stopping channel traffic next.
Just get the road built quickly Posted by: Charles Maidement, Weymouth on 5:15pm Tue 18 Sep 07
But remember - more roads equals more cars!! Utter rubbish!! Surely more people equals more cars?? Therefore I propose a cull of people. That should make our roads less congested. We could even make it a Carbon Neutral cull to please the tree-huggers, using environmentally methods such as strangling or bludgeoning. I suggest we start with Bill Bryson, swiftly followed by that bloke from Deep Purple that no-one has heard of. What say you??
But remember - more roads equals more cars!! Utter rubbish!! Surely more people equals more cars?? Therefore I propose a cull of people. That should make our roads less congested. We could even make it a Carbon Neutral cull to please the tree-huggers, using environmentally methods such as strangling or bludgeoning. I suggest we start with Bill Bryson, swiftly followed by that bloke from Deep Purple that no-one has heard of. What say you??
Posted by: Depressed, weymouth on 5:18pm Tue 18 Sep 07
Maggawags - you are indeed "quasi-intellectual"
. Can you not see how you have just defeated your own (so-called) argument and are, indeed, making a "prize idiot" out of yourself? Local people against the road are perfectly entitled to their opinions - they are neither "naive", "pathetic" or "fashionable for the moment". People who are in favour of the road are always accusing anti-roaders of people "meddlesome outsiders" (just for the record, they are neither!) and yet you would have them go and be precisely that on the other side of the world! What sort of ludicrous fantasy world are you living in?! And as for the idea that "no-one thinks about stopping" problems in China, the USA, India or elsewhere - do you live in a hole and just never read newspapers? Your ****-poor rationale is a perfect example of the sort of depressing mentality that is behind the pro-roaders - including of course the morons on the Council. Almost all of the pro-roaders are the designers of their own problems - I guarantee that most of those commuting in their cars every day could be doing the journey just as easily and more healthily by alternative means and yet for the most part they are just lazy and selfish. We are all part of the problem and we all need to do our little bit to become part of the solution. Sorting out the Littlemoor lights would be a great start - it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that the Council deliberately manipulate them to cause jams so as to make people feel that the only solution is the "relief" road. You are being conned - stop being led around by the nose and start thinking outside the (yellow!) box!
Maggawags - you are indeed "quasi-intellectual"
. Can you not see how you have just defeated your own (so-called) argument and are, indeed, making a "prize idiot" out of yourself? Local people against the road are perfectly entitled to their opinions - they are neither "naive", "pathetic" or "fashionable for the moment". People who are in favour of the road are always accusing anti-roaders of people "meddlesome outsiders" (just for the record, they are neither!) and yet you would have them go and be precisely that on the other side of the world! What sort of ludicrous fantasy world are you living in?! And as for the idea that "no-one thinks about stopping" problems in China, the USA, India or elsewhere - do you live in a hole and just never read newspapers? Your ****-poor rationale is a perfect example of the sort of depressing mentality that is behind the pro-roaders - including of course the morons on the Council. Almost all of the pro-roaders are the designers of their own problems - I guarantee that most of those commuting in their cars every day could be doing the journey just as easily and more healthily by alternative means and yet for the most part they are just lazy and selfish. We are all part of the problem and we all need to do our little bit to become part of the solution. Sorting out the Littlemoor lights would be a great start - it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that the Council deliberately manipulate them to cause jams so as to make people feel that the only solution is the "relief" road. You are being conned - stop being led around by the nose and start thinking outside the (yellow!) box!
Posted by: eric, Weymouth on 5:20pm Tue 18 Sep 07
I would say, Charles, that the level of intellectual arguement on this site has reached such a low level that its pointless!! Thats what I'd say!
I would say, Charles, that the level of intellectual arguement on this site has reached such a low level that its pointless!! Thats what I'd say!
Posted by: jill s, redlands on 5:20pm Tue 18 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Albo[/bold] wrote:
I look forward to seeing BtB's arguments comprehensively demolished at the inquiry and buried in a recyclable cardboard coffin. GET ON WITH IT![/quote] It's not about BtB's arguements against the road, it's about a fair hearing to the objections from all those people who are having their property permanently de-valued and in many case being bought out by Compulsary Purchase Order to build this road. It's about whether these people have any rights and think they have a right to a fair hearing.
Albo wrote:
I look forward to seeing BtB's arguments comprehensively demolished at the inquiry and buried in a recyclable cardboard coffin. GET ON WITH IT!
It's not about BtB's arguements against the road, it's about a fair hearing to the objections from all those people who are having their property permanently de-valued and in many case being bought out by Compulsary Purchase Order to build this road. It's about whether these people have any rights and think they have a right to a fair hearing.
Posted by: terra firma, dorset on 5:27pm Tue 18 Sep 07
[quote][bold]jill s[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Albo[/bold] wrote: I look forward to seeing BtB's arguments comprehensively demolished at the inquiry and buried in a recyclable cardboard coffin. GET ON WITH IT![/quote] It's not about BtB's arguements against the road, it's about a fair hearing to the objections from all those people who are having their property permanently de-valued and in many case being bought out by Compulsary Purchase Order to build this road. It's about whether these people have any rights and think they have a right to a fair hearing.[/quote] While I agree with a fair hearing, what we appear to have here is reflected throughout our land today! A small vociferous minority imposing or trying to impose their will on the majority. From the sheer volume of pro road comments I've read over past week the time to take a stand is long overdue.
jill s wrote:
Albo wrote: I look forward to seeing BtB's arguments comprehensively demolished at the inquiry and buried in a recyclable cardboard coffin. GET ON WITH IT!
It's not about BtB's arguements against the road, it's about a fair hearing to the objections from all those people who are having their property permanently de-valued and in many case being bought out by Compulsary Purchase Order to build this road. It's about whether these people have any rights and think they have a right to a fair hearing.
While I agree with a fair hearing, what we appear to have here is reflected throughout our land today! A small vociferous minority imposing or trying to impose their will on the majority. From the sheer volume of pro road comments I've read over past week the time to take a stand is long overdue.
Posted by: maggawags on 5:34pm Tue 18 Sep 07
Set a sprat to catch a smelly mackerel. UUMMM. Worked then !!
My arguments are to counter precisely what the anti roaders are using themselves. Global warming, and other green issues.
I am also entitled to speak as I do.
Your tone is naturally exasperated because you can see my logic really, and would love to agree with me to save yourself losing face.
Now , please do not be too depressed , you will see the sweet relief when all of this is finished, and we have a nice new little road at our disposal. You will feel alot happier , I promise you , thanks for your lengthy informed reply, I do feel your pain!!
Set a sprat to catch a smelly mackerel. UUMMM. Worked then !!
My arguments are to counter precisely what the anti roaders are using themselves. Global warming, and other green issues.
I am also entitled to speak as I do.
Your tone is naturally exasperated because you can see my logic really, and would love to agree with me to save yourself losing face.
Now , please do not be too depressed , you will see the sweet relief when all of this is finished, and we have a nice new little road at our disposal. You will feel alot happier , I promise you , thanks for your lengthy informed reply, I do feel your pain!!
Posted by: Bob, Preston, Weymouth on 5:41pm Tue 18 Sep 07
"Terra Firma" - how right you are about needing the relief road - to all Weymouth residents I say - look what happened with the burst water main last week - the whole of the town stopped! At least with the relief road it would only have been Preston to get affected!
"Terra Firma" - how right you are about needing the relief road - to all Weymouth residents I say - look what happened with the burst water main last week - the whole of the town stopped! At least with the relief road it would only have been Preston to get affected!
Posted by: jill s, redlands on 5:58pm Tue 18 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Jimbo[/bold] wrote:
I think this sums it up: [quote]bypass for Upwey, Broadwey and Redlands[/quote] How is it going to help the rest of Weymouth??? It will not make any improvement to the HUGE traffic problems at Preston, The Esplanade, King Steet, Westham Roundabout, Newstead Road, Boot Hill, Lanehouse Rocks Road and Portland Road. So the road will help people get to Weymouth, just not through or around it![/quote] Agree with you Jimbo. DCC traffic model figures predict, for the opening year 2010 a daily flow rate of 30000 cars on the new road compared with 22000 on the old road if the WRR is not built. By 2025 the figures are even more damning, 38000 cars per day on the WRR and 24000 if WRR not built. Repeat DCC's own figures. It just won't work.
Jimbo wrote:
I think this sums it up: bypass for Upwey, Broadwey and Redlands
How is it going to help the rest of Weymouth??? It will not make any improvement to the HUGE traffic problems at Preston, The Esplanade, King Steet, Westham Roundabout, Newstead Road, Boot Hill, Lanehouse Rocks Road and Portland Road. So the road will help people get to Weymouth, just not through or around it!
Agree with you Jimbo. DCC traffic model figures predict, for the opening year 2010 a daily flow rate of 30000 cars on the new road compared with 22000 on the old road if the WRR is not built. By 2025 the figures are even more damning, 38000 cars per day on the WRR and 24000 if WRR not built. Repeat DCC's own figures. It just won't work.
Posted by: Depressed, Weymouth on 6:05pm Tue 18 Sep 07
Oh dear, Maggawags you really [bold]DO[/bold] live in your own little world don't you?! Oh well - enjoy!
Oh dear, Maggawags you really
DO live in your own little world don't you?! Oh well - enjoy!
Posted by: maggawags on 6:46pm Tue 18 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Depressed[/bold] wrote:
Oh dear, Maggawags you really [bold]DO[/bold] live in your own little world don't you?! Oh well - enjoy! [/quote] Listen Sweetie pie,we inhabit the same little corner, and we share and think alike, sometimes!! And yes it is small time smalltown, sugar plum. In order to think , one has to act big. What is the point of an enhancement to the town, and marina if the other bits and frustrating pieces are not in place. Now think long term,of course by 2040, cars will be done away with , but who knows!!
You have to plan ahead you see.
Boom or bust as Gordon Ghecko says!!!
Depressed wrote:
Oh dear, Maggawags you really DO live in your own little world don't you?! Oh well - enjoy!
Listen Sweetie pie,we inhabit the same little corner, and we share and think alike, sometimes!! And yes it is small time smalltown, sugar plum. In order to think , one has to act big. What is the point of an enhancement to the town, and marina if the other bits and frustrating pieces are not in place. Now think long term,of course by 2040, cars will be done away with , but who knows!!
You have to plan ahead you see.
Boom or bust as Gordon Ghecko says!!!
Posted by: Leo, Weymouth on 7:54pm Tue 18 Sep 07
Message to the [bold]Old Broadwey Resident[/bold] . Some comments:- So you have a park and ride at the end of this vastly expensive road, eh? How about putting it the other side of the Ridgeway -no need for any road then! Public transport - needs to be a lot cheaper, a lot more attractive and reliable. Then people will use it - especially if running cars costs what it should - ie a lot more. Also - it would be a lot cheaper to purchase a couple of houses at decent prices on the Littlemoor turnoff to build a roundabout with slipways etc than buy acres and acres of land as proposed. However, the most important thing is this - you must have noticed every day on the news that there is more and more on climate change. A new road is just a big step in the wrong direction. I think the Dr has some good ideas.
Message to the
Old Broadwey Resident . Some comments:- So you have a park and ride at the end of this vastly expensive road, eh? How about putting it the other side of the Ridgeway -no need for any road then! Public transport - needs to be a lot cheaper, a lot more attractive and reliable. Then people will use it - especially if running cars costs what it should - ie a lot more. Also - it would be a lot cheaper to purchase a couple of houses at decent prices on the Littlemoor turnoff to build a roundabout with slipways etc than buy acres and acres of land as proposed. However, the most important thing is this - you must have noticed every day on the news that there is more and more on climate change. A new road is just a big step in the wrong direction. I think the Dr has some good ideas.
Posted by: No New Road please, Weymouth on 8:42pm Tue 18 Sep 07
So will this great new road sorry relief road mean more cars with only one person in to clog up the rest of weymouth.
Why not closed the littlemoor turn off and built a road from littlemoor to morrison roundabout
So will this great new road sorry relief road mean more cars with only one person in to clog up the rest of weymouth.
Why not closed the littlemoor turn off and built a road from littlemoor to morrison roundabout
Posted by: terra firma, doset on 10:05pm Tue 18 Sep 07
[quote][bold]No New Road please[/bold] wrote:
So will this great new road sorry relief road mean more cars with only one person in to clog up the rest of weymouth. Why not closed the littlemoor turn off and built a road from littlemoor to morrison roundabout [/quote] while this may seem like half a good idea, you haven't explained how lorries and other larger vehicles would get to the Preston area from the Dorchester side. Surely not via Coombe Valley Rd?
The only options would be to open up Jestys Avenue as a rat run, or make this traffic go on to Morrisons and then turn back. I'm sure the Global warming crowd would throw a fit.
Yes, locals from Littlemoor area will benefit if that bit of the road is built. They will also benefit in gaining easier access to Dorchester if you include the rest of this long awaited route.
No New Road please wrote:
So will this great new road sorry relief road mean more cars with only one person in to clog up the rest of weymouth. Why not closed the littlemoor turn off and built a road from littlemoor to morrison roundabout
while this may seem like half a good idea, you haven't explained how lorries and other larger vehicles would get to the Preston area from the Dorchester side. Surely not via Coombe Valley Rd?
The only options would be to open up Jestys Avenue as a rat run, or make this traffic go on to Morrisons and then turn back. I'm sure the Global warming crowd would throw a fit.
Yes, locals from Littlemoor area will benefit if that bit of the road is built. They will also benefit in gaining easier access to Dorchester if you include the rest of this long awaited route.
Posted by: Axel.R,Ated on 10:24pm Tue 18 Sep 07
Healthy big conversation going on!
Big consultation----goin
g up at £10million a time-by the time the October big conversation takes place another few million, and then the cost of the enquiry isn't cheap. Has any one worked out how much this is costing a mile? Perhaps it should be turned into a toll road--now that would repay all the wasted time and money, and show some benefit and perhaps people will then avoid wasteful journeys in and out of the area!!!!!!
Healthy big conversation going on!
Big consultation----goin
g up at £10million a time-by the time the October big conversation takes place another few million, and then the cost of the enquiry isn't cheap. Has any one worked out how much this is costing a mile? Perhaps it should be turned into a toll road--now that would repay all the wasted time and money, and show some benefit and perhaps people will then avoid wasteful journeys in and out of the area!!!!!!
Posted by: DorsetHelmsman, Bridport on 10:42pm Tue 18 Sep 07
[quote][bold]terra firma[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Dorset Helmsman[/bold] wrote: Yes it probably will get to £100m so maybe Weymouth & Portland Vouncil should be made to pay 50% as the people of Weymouth are so keen to save less than 5 minutes on the average journey getting to the Weymouth traffic jams[/quote] if you look at your own back door, you now have a wonderfull ne harbour, created at vast UK & European expense, to be enjoyed by locals and visitors alike. You also have an East - West access road which has seen many improvements over the years, including the Skilling so called By-Pass, while this road has just been talked about! So count your blessings. We on the other hand, unlike many other towns around the country that have access from all compass points are served by 3 roads covering only the NW to NE sector of the town. It doesn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t take a brain surgeon to realise the limitations and congestions this can cause during normal conditions, let alone when one or other of these routes is temporarily \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'out of service\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\' Not all the traffic you talk about goes into Weymouth Centre anyway. With the on-going growth on Portland it is important that a route is established which doesn\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t futher diminish travelling conditions for local residents. Weymouth is not, and never should be an island. Escape from Alcatraz would appear easier than travelling to and from the town![/quote] At least this was mostly Central Government funded & wont leave debt charges to be paid by the next generatin to still be paying
terra firma wrote:
Dorset Helmsman wrote: Yes it probably will get to £100m so maybe Weymouth & Portland Vouncil should be made to pay 50% as the people of Weymouth are so keen to save less than 5 minutes on the average journey getting to the Weymouth traffic jams
if you look at your own back door, you now have a wonderfull ne harbour, created at vast UK & European expense, to be enjoyed by locals and visitors alike. You also have an East - West access road which has seen many improvements over the years, including the Skilling so called By-Pass, while this road has just been talked about! So count your blessings. We on the other hand, unlike many other towns around the country that have access from all compass points are served by 3 roads covering only the NW to NE sector of the town. It doesn\\\\\\\\\\\\'t take a brain surgeon to realise the limitations and congestions this can cause during normal conditions, let alone when one or other of these routes is temporarily \\\\\\\\\\\\'out of service\\\\\\\\\\\\' Not all the traffic you talk about goes into Weymouth Centre anyway. With the on-going growth on Portland it is important that a route is established which doesn\\\\\\\\\\\\'t futher diminish travelling conditions for local residents. Weymouth is not, and never should be an island. Escape from Alcatraz would appear easier than travelling to and from the town!
At least this was mostly Central Government funded & wont leave debt charges to be paid by the next generatin to still be paying
Posted by: Grumpy, Wyke on 8:01am Wed 19 Sep 07
I'm not sure some of you are talking about the same road.Bypass will only save 5mins? your not on the same A354 as me.The congestion that seems to be "moved" into town will be solved by the huge park and rides that are going to be established.I really do wish that some of you commenters knew ALL the facts,and not just what you want to know.
I'm not sure some of you are talking about the same road.Bypass will only save 5mins? your not on the same A354 as me.The congestion that seems to be "moved" into town will be solved by the huge park and rides that are going to be established.I really do wish that some of you commenters knew ALL the facts,and not just what you want to know.
Posted by: William, Weymouth on 8:32am Wed 19 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Grumpy[/bold] wrote:
I'm not sure some of you are talking about the same road.Bypass will only save 5mins? your not on the same A354 as me.The congestion that seems to be "moved" into town will be solved by the huge park and rides that are going to be established.I really do wish that some of you commenters knew ALL the facts,and not just what you want to know.[/quote] Plus the extensive cycle routes that will be in place – where at present none exist. And the creation of a country park at Lorton Valley where at the moment it is just scrubland - full of burned out wrecks. And the implementation of an extensive, intelligent traffic management system – where at present traffic chaos ensues. But most importantly, a modern, reliable and ‘designed for purpose’ traffic system will be in place to service the needs of an increasingly important, expanding town. But for some reason the most virulent opponents of the scheme never seem to mention this – I wonder why?
Grumpy wrote:
I'm not sure some of you are talking about the same road.Bypass will only save 5mins? your not on the same A354 as me.The congestion that seems to be "moved" into town will be solved by the huge park and rides that are going to be established.I really do wish that some of you commenters knew ALL the facts,and not just what you want to know.
Plus the extensive cycle routes that will be in place – where at present none exist. And the creation of a country park at Lorton Valley where at the moment it is just scrubland - full of burned out wrecks. And the implementation of an extensive, intelligent traffic management system – where at present traffic chaos ensues. But most importantly, a modern, reliable and ‘designed for purpose’ traffic system will be in place to service the needs of an increasingly important, expanding town. But for some reason the most virulent opponents of the scheme never seem to mention this – I wonder why?
Posted by: Dorset Maid, Rural Dorset on 7:31pm Wed 19 Sep 07
If park and ride and "intelligent road management" was the answer then Salisbury should be devoid of traffic queues but it is not. It has 4 park and ride sites to North, South, East and West I believe and more traffic management than could be listed here but travel times into the city for my neice are now 10 minutes longer than they were 4 years ago (40 minutes instead of 30). The "new" Semington Melksham diversion is a car park during part of the day as is the Chippenham new build and the infamous M25. Some of us realised that it would be impossible to build our way out of trouble more than 10 years ago but due to some dinosaurs there are still plans in the pipeline for roads designed 20 + years ago. Can we please get into the 21st Century?
If park and ride and "intelligent road management" was the answer then Salisbury should be devoid of traffic queues but it is not. It has 4 park and ride sites to North, South, East and West I believe and more traffic management than could be listed here but travel times into the city for my neice are now 10 minutes longer than they were 4 years ago (40 minutes instead of 30). The "new" Semington Melksham diversion is a car park during part of the day as is the Chippenham new build and the infamous M25. Some of us realised that it would be impossible to build our way out of trouble more than 10 years ago but due to some dinosaurs there are still plans in the pipeline for roads designed 20 + years ago. Can we please get into the 21st Century?
Posted by: Eric, Weymouth on 11:41pm Wed 19 Sep 07
[bold]William[/bold] [quote]But most importantly, a modern, reliable and ‘designed for purpose’ traffic system will be in place to service the needs of an increasingly important, expanding town. But for some reason the most virulent opponents of the scheme never seem to mention this – I wonder why?[/quote] What are you referring to exactly?
William But most importantly, a modern, reliable and ‘designed for purpose’ traffic system will be in place to service the needs of an increasingly important, expanding town. But for some reason the most virulent opponents of the scheme never seem to mention this – I wonder why?
What are you referring to exactly?
Posted by: William, Weymouth on 8:19am Thu 20 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Eric[/bold] wrote:
[bold]William[/bold] [quote]But most importantly, a modern, reliable and ‘designed for purpose’ traffic system will be in place to service the needs of an increasingly important, expanding town. But for some reason the most virulent opponents of the scheme never seem to mention this – I wonder why?[/quote] What are you referring to exactly? [/quote] Something you will be driving along in the not too distant future - thank God!
Eric wrote:
William But most importantly, a modern, reliable and ‘designed for purpose’ traffic system will be in place to service the needs of an increasingly important, expanding town. But for some reason the most virulent opponents of the scheme never seem to mention this – I wonder why?
What are you referring to exactly?
Something you will be driving along in the not too distant future - thank God!
Posted by: Ali, Weymouth on 9:23am Thu 20 Sep 07
[italic][bold]William - intelligent traffic management system[/bold][/italic]
Nothing in the plans about this.
William - intelligent traffic management system
Nothing in the plans about this.
Posted by: William, Weymouth on 10:14am Thu 20 Sep 07
[quote][bold]Ali[/bold] wrote:
[italic][bold]William - intelligent traffic management system[/bold][/italic] Nothing in the plans about this.[/quote] Linked to the Variable Message Sign system - which is mentioned in the plans. Not noticed any pre-system cameras going up around town lately?
Ali wrote:
William - intelligent traffic management system Nothing in the plans about this.
Linked to the Variable Message Sign system - which is mentioned in the plans. Not noticed any pre-system cameras going up around town lately?
Posted by: Eric, Weymouth on 2:17pm Thu 20 Sep 07
[bold]William[/bold] [quote]most virulent opponents of the scheme never seem to mention this – I wonder why?[/quote] If you mean the "relief road" - then we mention it frequently!! If some other plan, no idea what you are on about.
William most virulent opponents of the scheme never seem to mention this – I wonder why?
If you mean the "relief road" - then we mention it frequently!! If some other plan, no idea what you are on about.
Posted by: Jill S, Redlands on 1:07pm Fri 21 Sep 07
The WRR should not be funded by DfT. The Integrated Transport Economics and Appraisal (ITEA) division in the DfT is currently re-appraising the WRR. They will look at the business case and decide whether to fund it or not. On their web site you will find some interesting reading about road pricing. For example, one question they are asked is :
"Why can't you build more roads to reduce congestion?
To which the reply is : "While there is a case for some new capacity on roads like the M25 and the M1, and that is being provided, we cannot build our way out of congestion. It would be unaffordable and environmentally unacceptable."
So if they agree to fund the WRR, they are going against what they stand for. But what's new.
The WRR should not be funded by DfT. The Integrated Transport Economics and Appraisal (ITEA) division in the DfT is currently re-appraising the WRR. They will look at the business case and decide whether to fund it or not. On their web site you will find some interesting reading about road pricing. For example, one question they are asked is :
"Why can't you build more roads to reduce congestion?
To which the reply is : "While there is a case for some new capacity on roads like the M25 and the M1, and that is being provided, we cannot build our way out of congestion. It would be unaffordable and environmentally unacceptable."
So if they agree to fund the WRR, they are going against what they stand for. But what's new.
Posted by: Cats eyes on 8:06pm Sat 22 Sep 07
Quote DFT
'We cannot build our way out of congestion'
Huge attempts can be made divert the problem- and try to take most of it away from unsuitable old fashioned roads, with a very high residential tally. Whose fault is congestion anyway?
Quote DFT
'We cannot build our way out of congestion'
Huge attempts can be made divert the problem- and try to take most of it away from unsuitable old fashioned roads, with a very high residential tally. Whose fault is congestion anyway?
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