Pagans suffer ritual abuse
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| TARGET OF ABUSE: The Dolmen Grove druid group |
PAGANS in Dorset claim their growing popularity is making them a target for threats and abuse.
The Dolmen Grove, a Weymouth-based druid group, says a dead bird with a noose around its neck was left on the windscreen of its van.
Then nails were left under the wheels of the van the night after a music gig.
And the group says its 'peaceful religion' is being attacked by people who turn up at stone circle rituals and shout abuse. Chris Walsh, antique dealer and Arch Druid, said the problems started after pagan band The Dolmen played a gig in Weymouth.
"After they played one particular gig in Weymouth someone left a dead bird with a noose around its neck on the windscreen.
"They also typed the words 'Die Witches' on a piece of paper stuck to it.
"It is difficult to say who it was or whether it is organised in any way, but we were very shocked and saddened by it.
"Then someone put nails under the tyres of the van as it was parked in Radipole Lane, the night after they had played another gig.
"At our last ritual at Maumbury Rings a group of people came along to barrack us for no apparent reason.
"Let's face it, there are a lot of misconceptions people have about witches and pagans but we are a peaceful religion who don't want to bother anyone."
Mr Walsh says one reason for the problems may be the higher profile taken by the Dolmen Grove in the past year.
He says that the Dolmen Grove is given permission by the police for each of its services performed at holy sites around the county.
On March 24 the group will perform a
're-balancing' ritual for a 200-year-old tree cut back at Nine Stones in Winterbourne Abbas.
Mr Walsh said: "We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little. A few of the members don't want all the attention, which is understandable, and it might mean that people think we are easy targets.
"But we are a growing religion and the Dolmen Grove itself has 250 members. All we do is celebrate the forces of nature and carry on an ancient tradition, nothing sinister at all."
10:56am Saturday 17th March 2007
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Posted by: pete, bournemouth on 12:30pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[quote]Mr Walsh said: "We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little. [/quote]
A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.
Mr Walsh said: "We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little.
A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 12:35pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Well these cowardly, stupid acts couldn't possibly be a response to the music of [bold]THE DOLMEN[/bold] , which is absolutely brilliant and original and one day soon, a wider audience will no doubt realise that fact.
Let's face it, it all stems from the popular misconception that Pagans are all 'devil worshipping, animal sacrificing, naked moon dancers' .... all very colourful, but not very near the truth.
Well these cowardly, stupid acts couldn't possibly be a response to the music of
THE DOLMEN , which is absolutely brilliant and original and one day soon, a wider audience will no doubt realise that fact.
Let's face it, it all stems from the popular misconception that Pagans are all 'devil worshipping, animal sacrificing, naked moon dancers' .... all very colourful, but not very near the truth.
Posted by: The Dolmen on 12:46pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Pete let me put you in the picture we are not a pop group.
Dolmen Grove as a pagan order was established 30 years ago. The Dolmen were formed to provide music at out gatherings only 12 years ago.
Within the Grove there are many Muscicians Authors Artist.
The Dolmen are not the founders of the Dolmen Grove.
Although The dolmen are a pagan band and it is the band That had the dead bird stuck on the windscreen after a gig.
This is only one thing that has happened over the years since we have been together.
We have come across all sorts of nurds and ignorant prats who think that pagans are an easy target for abuse.
Due to our peace loving attitude I guess.
But as we state on another thread we are british we have aright to practise our own British religion, it seems people dont like it and so do and say silly things.
Please ask questions for facts and not presume.
We always are willing to answer sensible questions.
Pete let me put you in the picture we are not a pop group.
Dolmen Grove as a pagan order was established 30 years ago. The Dolmen were formed to provide music at out gatherings only 12 years ago.
Within the Grove there are many Muscicians Authors Artist.
The Dolmen are not the founders of the Dolmen Grove.
Although The dolmen are a pagan band and it is the band That had the dead bird stuck on the windscreen after a gig.
This is only one thing that has happened over the years since we have been together.
We have come across all sorts of nurds and ignorant prats who think that pagans are an easy target for abuse.
Due to our peace loving attitude I guess.
But as we state on another thread we are british we have aright to practise our own British religion, it seems people dont like it and so do and say silly things.
Please ask questions for facts and not presume.
We always are willing to answer sensible questions.
Posted by: wykewitch, Weymouth on 12:47pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Mr Walsh said: \"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little. [/quote] A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.[/quote] Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your "FACTS" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.
pete wrote:
Mr Walsh said: \"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little.
A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.
Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your "FACTS" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 12:54pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Pete, the band are playing near you tonight at Branksome Conservative Club.
Why not go along and find out first hand what you are talking about.
You will be pleasantly surprised I assure you.
The music of THE DOLMEN is as different from 'pop music' as hiphop is from Mahler. It is all original, written by members of the band and quite unlike anything else around on the music scene today.
Judge for yourself.
[url]C:Documents and SettingsS VineDesktopYouTube - Dolmenisation.mht[/url]
Pete, the band are playing near you tonight at Branksome Conservative Club.
Why not go along and find out first hand what you are talking about.
You will be pleasantly surprised I assure you.
The music of THE DOLMEN is as different from 'pop music' as hiphop is from Mahler. It is all original, written by members of the band and quite unlike anything else around on the music scene today.
Judge for yourself.
C:Documents and SettingsS VineDesktopYouTube - Dolmenisation.mht
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 1:00pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Sorry, wrong link. Here it is
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cImlm3TlDiY[/url]
Sorry, wrong link. Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cImlm3TlDiY
Posted by: The Dolmen, Weymouth. on 1:24pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Another point we should add is that Dolmen Grove is discribed as a Druid group when in fact it is founded by Witches and Druids Pagans Heathens.
And is open to any person who follows the old path.
Welcomes covens and Orders into the Grove and ask only one thing that your path be a foundation based on a love for the higher powers,love and good will to fellow humans and all life on this earth.
If any individual thinks this a wrong thing to ask we suggest they seek help.
Let it also be said that the Dolmen Grove has no leaders it has individuals who donate their time freely to organise things such as the charity events and the magazine called Dolmen Grove.
available from the Dolmen Grove web site or outlets in Weymouth and through out the country.
Dolmen Grove is a non profit organistaion and any course it may offer is given freely.
If any Witch Druid Pagan Heathen wishes to know more there is an online forum of which you are welcome to join,also membership to the Dolmen Grove is free.
Dolmen Grove believe spirituality cannot and should not be bought or sold.
Reinactment with a popgroup,
We are still musing on that one Pete.
dolmengrove.co.uk
thedolmen.com
Another point we should add is that Dolmen Grove is discribed as a Druid group when in fact it is founded by Witches and Druids Pagans Heathens.
And is open to any person who follows the old path.
Welcomes covens and Orders into the Grove and ask only one thing that your path be a foundation based on a love for the higher powers,love and good will to fellow humans and all life on this earth.
If any individual thinks this a wrong thing to ask we suggest they seek help.
Let it also be said that the Dolmen Grove has no leaders it has individuals who donate their time freely to organise things such as the charity events and the magazine called Dolmen Grove.
available from the Dolmen Grove web site or outlets in Weymouth and through out the country.
Dolmen Grove is a non profit organistaion and any course it may offer is given freely.
If any Witch Druid Pagan Heathen wishes to know more there is an online forum of which you are welcome to join,also membership to the Dolmen Grove is free.
Dolmen Grove believe spirituality cannot and should not be bought or sold.
Reinactment with a popgroup,
We are still musing on that one Pete.
dolmengrove.co.uk
thedolmen.com
Posted by: Mistielle, Tincleton on 2:49pm Sat 17 Mar 07
The Dolmen, both associated with the grove and the band are some of the most gentle and nicest people I have met in a very long time. They do not deserve such abuse and misconceptions of what they do. This is founded prely on ignorance and prejudice. It serves nothing.
The Dolmen, both associated with the grove and the band are some of the most gentle and nicest people I have met in a very long time. They do not deserve such abuse and misconceptions of what they do. This is founded prely on ignorance and prejudice. It serves nothing.
Posted by: wyrdwych, Isle Of Wight on 3:11pm Sat 17 Mar 07
What confounds me is why do people think they can abuse Pagans, if this was another religious group I could mention people would leave it well alone.
What confounds me is why do people think they can abuse Pagans, if this was another religious group I could mention people would leave it well alone.
Posted by: The Dolmen on 3:35pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[bold]This week coming on the Spring Equinox we will be Going to Stone Henge a British Sacred Pagan Temple we will start a procession at 5 30 am from the bottom gate up through the carpark down through the passage up on to the field 3 times around the Henge and in through the north entrance there is an estimated 200 who will be in this procession and it will consist of a unification of Witches Druids Pagans Heathens and all who wish to join us.
It will be loud with drums and pipes however peaceful and respective and the ritual that will be performed will be Pagan.
Calling for world peace. All so we wish to highlight that Stone Henge is a runner to be voted as one of the new 7 wonders of the world, we encourage everyone to visit the site and get voting because we are dropping further down the line.[/bold]
This week coming on the Spring Equinox we will be Going to Stone Henge a British Sacred Pagan Temple we will start a procession at 5 30 am from the bottom gate up through the carpark down through the passage up on to the field 3 times around the Henge and in through the north entrance there is an estimated 200 who will be in this procession and it will consist of a unification of Witches Druids Pagans Heathens and all who wish to join us.
It will be loud with drums and pipes however peaceful and respective and the ritual that will be performed will be Pagan.
Calling for world peace. All so we wish to highlight that Stone Henge is a runner to be voted as one of the new 7 wonders of the world, we encourage everyone to visit the site and get voting because we are dropping further down the line. Posted by: mark, the Net on 3:53pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Perhaps it is because you all dress up like it is Hallowe'en that people want to play trick or treat with you.
Perhaps it is because you all dress up like it is Hallowe'en that people want to play trick or treat with you.
Posted by: ian on 3:54pm Sat 17 Mar 07
What is the significance of the playing of loud drums and pipes? Is thier a ritual reason or is it purely for entertaining reasons.
What is the significance of the playing of loud drums and pipes? Is thier a ritual reason or is it purely for entertaining reasons.
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 4:28pm Sat 17 Mar 07
It's only 'Halloween' from your perspective Mark, because it fits in with what you WANT to believe about Pagans.
Never mind the truth eh.
As for "playing trick or treat" with us, well these imbeciles are not worth one moments worry as they are cowards who would never face us man to man, as they would be lost, physically, spiritually and cerebrally if they did so.
Ian : The reason for the drums and pipes is to awaken the spirits of the land and to produce energy for the ritual.
And let's face it at 5-30 am, we need all the wake up calls we can get. :)
It's only 'Halloween' from your perspective Mark, because it fits in with what you WANT to believe about Pagans.
Never mind the truth eh.
As for "playing trick or treat" with us, well these imbeciles are not worth one moments worry as they are cowards who would never face us man to man, as they would be lost, physically, spiritually and cerebrally if they did so.
Ian : The reason for the drums and pipes is to awaken the spirits of the land and to produce energy for the ritual.
And let's face it at 5-30 am, we need all the wake up calls we can get. :)
Posted by: ian on 4:43pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Cheers Midnighter,sounds like fun. Not into it myself as I have my own beliefs but it is a shame some won't at least go and see one of your gatherings before having a go at you all.
I can think of many things I could point out about Christianity that are truly hideous and evil, those banging on from the "Christian" perspective might want to bear that in mind?
Cheers Midnighter,sounds like fun. Not into it myself as I have my own beliefs but it is a shame some won't at least go and see one of your gatherings before having a go at you all.
I can think of many things I could point out about Christianity that are truly hideous and evil, those banging on from the "Christian" perspective might want to bear that in mind?
Posted by: The Dolmen on 4:44pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[quote][bold]mark[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps it is because you all dress up like it is Hallowe'en that people want to play trick or treat with you.[/quote] [bold]Whats halloween about the way we dress.
We dress the way we wish like I am sure you do.
Halloweens is a pagan festival by the way have you ever celebrated it.
Are suggesting it is alright to abuse people because of the way they dress.Mark
Drums and pipes does create an atmosphere plus is very pagan.
Humans have done this for thousands of years.[/bold]
mark wrote:
Perhaps it is because you all dress up like it is Hallowe'en that people want to play trick or treat with you.
Whats halloween about the way we dress.
We dress the way we wish like I am sure you do.
Halloweens is a pagan festival by the way have you ever celebrated it.
Are suggesting it is alright to abuse people because of the way they dress.Mark
Drums and pipes does create an atmosphere plus is very pagan.
Humans have done this for thousands of years. Posted by: Ellen, Weymouth on 6:03pm Sat 17 Mar 07
It is so sad that people will hurl abuse to people whom they do not know, or understand.
The people I have met within both The Dolmen and The Dolmen Grove are some of the best nicest, sincerest and truly amazing people I have met. I cannot wait for the day when everyone is simply accepted for who they are.
It is so sad that people will hurl abuse to people whom they do not know, or understand.
The people I have met within both The Dolmen and The Dolmen Grove are some of the best nicest, sincerest and truly amazing people I have met. I cannot wait for the day when everyone is simply accepted for who they are.
Posted by: B. Fields, Canada on 7:22pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[quote][bold]mark[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps it is because you all dress up like it is Hallowe'en that people want to play trick or treat with you.[/quote] So, you're saying that the way people dress is a justifiable excuse for animal cruelty, vandalism, verbal abuse and harassment?
mark wrote:
Perhaps it is because you all dress up like it is Hallowe'en that people want to play trick or treat with you.
So, you're saying that the way people dress is a justifiable excuse for animal cruelty, vandalism, verbal abuse and harassment?
Posted by: bill, weymouth on 8:12pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[quote][bold]wykewitch[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote: [quote]Mr Walsh said: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little. [/quote] A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.[/quote] Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your \\\\\\\"FACTS\\\\\\\" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.[/quote] Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.
wykewitch wrote:
pete wrote: Mr Walsh said: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little.
A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.
Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your \\\\\\\"FACTS\\\\\\\" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.
Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.
Posted by: ravenqueen, dorset on 8:13pm Sat 17 Mar 07
As pagans we do not judge we just go about our merry way and if this offends certain people then tough! I have known the Dolmen a longtime ago when they held their pagan rituals in Dorchester and we are all just a bunch of ordinary people who just dont believe in conventional religions. The sad thing is we do not live in 15th century where persecution was held high for our religion, but we live in a new age era where we are free to believe in what we want without people being silly or harming to others, which is in fact aginst our religion. I wish The Dolmen well and that these sad people do some research and try and be a bit more understanding. blessed be!
As pagans we do not judge we just go about our merry way and if this offends certain people then tough! I have known the Dolmen a longtime ago when they held their pagan rituals in Dorchester and we are all just a bunch of ordinary people who just dont believe in conventional religions. The sad thing is we do not live in 15th century where persecution was held high for our religion, but we live in a new age era where we are free to believe in what we want without people being silly or harming to others, which is in fact aginst our religion. I wish The Dolmen well and that these sad people do some research and try and be a bit more understanding. blessed be!
Posted by: Tricia, dorset on 8:43pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[quote][bold]bill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]wykewitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote: [quote]Mr Walsh said: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little. [/quote] A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.[/quote] Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your \\\\\\\"FACTS\\\\\\\" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.[/quote] Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.[/quote] bill,i hear you are a small minded prat,but there you go,don't always believe everything you hear.
It's hard to believe that in this day & age we still have witch hunts etc,maybe if people were a little more tolerant of others beliefs & ways of lives the world would be a much better place to live in.
Blessed be.
bill wrote:
wykewitch wrote: pete wrote: Mr Walsh said: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little.
A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.
Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your \\\\\\\"FACTS\\\\\\\" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.
Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.
bill,i hear you are a small minded prat,but there you go,don't always believe everything you hear.
It's hard to believe that in this day & age we still have witch hunts etc,maybe if people were a little more tolerant of others beliefs & ways of lives the world would be a much better place to live in.
Blessed be.
Posted by: ytene darkwood on 8:55pm Sat 17 Mar 07
as i sit here reading the comments i see a few people who as i feel by being here on this sight are claming to be some sort of pagan bashing other paths bad pagan in my eyes arnt those types of people the ones giving us bad names but i am glad to see a lot of other pagans comming to the aid of others
as i sit here reading the comments i see a few people who as i feel by being here on this sight are claming to be some sort of pagan bashing other paths bad pagan in my eyes arnt those types of people the ones giving us bad names but i am glad to see a lot of other pagans comming to the aid of others
Posted by: pete, bournemouth on 8:58pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[quote]Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.[/quote]
Bill, He's an antiques dealer, what do expect!
Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.
Bill, He's an antiques dealer, what do expect!
Posted by: ytene darkwood on 9:00pm Sat 17 Mar 07
NOTE- i read this artical on witchvox.com-NOTE
NOTE- i read this artical on witchvox.com-NOTE
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 9:05pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Chris Walsh (Melkin) is a kind, generous and fine gentleman, the kind of man in whose company certain others here present, would pale into insignificance beside.
Chris Walsh (Melkin) is a kind, generous and fine gentleman, the kind of man in whose company certain others here present, would pale into insignificance beside.
Posted by: The Rev. Jasper Sparrowhawk, Yakima, WA (USA) on 9:21pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[bold]bold[/bold] Merry Meet!
I just found this news article at The Witches' Voice. I am sorry to here about your plight. Discrmination should never be tolerated. Especially, when harm is done through such actions as have been mentioned in the article.
Our organization (Church of the Sacred Moon)has suffered from discrimination as well. Fortunately it hasn't gotten as bad as what you are all going through.
We will support you in any way we can. I will post this article on our website and on MySpace to let everyone know what is happening.
Oh, and by the way... I love the music. It sounds wonderful. Don't let anyone tell you different. Blessed Be!
Brightest Blessings,
The Rev. Jasper Sparrowhawk
Church of the Sacred Moon
Yakima, WA (USA)
)O(
Merry Meet!
I just found this news article at The Witches' Voice. I am sorry to here about your plight. Discrmination should never be tolerated. Especially, when harm is done through such actions as have been mentioned in the article.
Our organization (Church of the Sacred Moon)has suffered from discrimination as well. Fortunately it hasn't gotten as bad as what you are all going through.
We will support you in any way we can. I will post this article on our website and on MySpace to let everyone know what is happening.
Oh, and by the way... I love the music. It sounds wonderful. Don't let anyone tell you different. Blessed Be!
Brightest Blessings,
The Rev. Jasper Sparrowhawk
Church of the Sacred Moon
Yakima, WA (USA)
)O(
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 9:41pm Sat 17 Mar 07
Thank you for your support Jasper. It is heartening to see how pagans from all over the world come together when a brother and sister are threatened by the uncouth and unknowing.
The band are gigging tonight, but I am sure they will be in touch soon.
Thank you for your support Jasper. It is heartening to see how pagans from all over the world come together when a brother and sister are threatened by the uncouth and unknowing.
The band are gigging tonight, but I am sure they will be in touch soon.
Posted by: wykewitch, Weymouth on 10:00pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[quote][bold]mark[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps it is because you all dress up like it is Hallowe\'en that people want to play trick or treat with you.[/quote] I have seen hen-nighters dressed as nuns, but I do not treat then as nuns because I understand the reason for the dress is different. A pagan dresses differently to help define the mundane from the spiritual. Do you ask Sikh men if they’ve hurt their head each time you see them?
mark wrote:
Perhaps it is because you all dress up like it is Hallowe\'en that people want to play trick or treat with you.
I have seen hen-nighters dressed as nuns, but I do not treat then as nuns because I understand the reason for the dress is different. A pagan dresses differently to help define the mundane from the spiritual. Do you ask Sikh men if they’ve hurt their head each time you see them?
Posted by: wykewitch, Weymouth on 10:15pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[quote][bold]ian[/bold] wrote:
What is the significance of the playing of loud drums and pipes? Is thier a ritual reason or is it purely for entertaining reasons.[/quote] Anyone taken by the moment can play ritual music. You need to be musician to be entertaining.
ian wrote:
What is the significance of the playing of loud drums and pipes? Is thier a ritual reason or is it purely for entertaining reasons.
Anyone taken by the moment can play ritual music. You need to be musician to be entertaining.
Posted by: wykewitch, Weymouth on 10:26pm Sat 17 Mar 07
[quote][bold]bill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]wykewitch[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]pete[/bold] wrote: [quote]Mr Walsh said: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little. [/quote] A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.[/quote] Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your \\\\\\\"FACTS\\\\\\\" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.[/quote] Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.[/quote] I'd like to hear what you know on this matter. I, personally, need no credentials from Chris. He is kind and decent (dispite being an antiques dealer, and constantly persuading people to "say it with a chest of draws"... he has to earn money somehow) he gives his time freely to help others, he does charity work and is recognised and respected by other srch druids. Are there any better credentials than being recognised by your piers? What would be the point in falsely claiming to be an archdruid, which then takes up allot of time and money and earns you nothing? Please give proof and names of who is spreading these rumours.
bill wrote:
wykewitch wrote: pete wrote: Mr Walsh said: \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"We have been going for a few years but decided we were getting popular enough to raise our profile a little.
A historical reenactment society with a pop group in other words. Hardly the ancient religion claimed on the other comments board.
Please dont post off the top of your head without doing any reasearch into your \\\\\\\"FACTS\\\\\\\" Atchually the group has been going many years before going public. During this time music was played at rituals. From the ritual music the band grew. The Dolmen Grove came before Th Dolmen band. But we are all very proud of The Dolmens success.
Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.
I'd like to hear what you know on this matter. I, personally, need no credentials from Chris. He is kind and decent (dispite being an antiques dealer, and constantly persuading people to "say it with a chest of draws"... he has to earn money somehow) he gives his time freely to help others, he does charity work and is recognised and respected by other srch druids. Are there any better credentials than being recognised by your piers? What would be the point in falsely claiming to be an archdruid, which then takes up allot of time and money and earns you nothing? Please give proof and names of who is spreading these rumours.
Posted by: vulpine, durset on 11:15pm Sat 17 Mar 07
All these quotes within quotes within quotes are doinmeedin.
But the points made are good. Tomorrow (Sunday) people will be putting on robes and gathering to honour their spiritual commitment. They will be treated with respect by their communities and this is how it should be for all.
All these quotes within quotes within quotes are doinmeedin.
But the points made are good. Tomorrow (Sunday) people will be putting on robes and gathering to honour their spiritual commitment. They will be treated with respect by their communities and this is how it should be for all.
Posted by: wykewitch, Weymouth on 11:38pm Sat 17 Mar 07
I'd love to cu out a lot of the quotes and just have the most relivent part I'm repling to, but I'm not technical enough. I did not mean to demean or domeneer anyone. I'm sorry if I did.
I'd love to cu out a lot of the quotes and just have the most relivent part I'm repling to, but I'm not technical enough. I did not mean to demean or domeneer anyone. I'm sorry if I did.
Posted by: PW on 12:12am Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote]bill wrote:[/quote] [quote] wykewitch wrote: [/quote] [quote]pete wrote:[/quote]
Does that help??
bill wrote:
wykewitch wrote:
pete wrote:
Does that help??
Posted by: Moonlight, Weymouth on 12:46am Sun 18 Mar 07
Ian, your mention of those banging on from the 'Christian' perspective reminded me of something that happened right here in Weymouth a few years ago. It changed my view of the established church forever.
In keeping with family tradition, I wanted my baby son christened. The church refused to christen him, not because they couldn't fit it in, nor for any parish boundary reasons. I was told that no church in Weymouth would christen him, they all being part of the same team.
My son's crime against the church? His parents were not married!
Naming Ceremonies are far nicer ;)
Ian, your mention of those banging on from the 'Christian' perspective reminded me of something that happened right here in Weymouth a few years ago. It changed my view of the established church forever.
In keeping with family tradition, I wanted my baby son christened. The church refused to christen him, not because they couldn't fit it in, nor for any parish boundary reasons. I was told that no church in Weymouth would christen him, they all being part of the same team.
My son's crime against the church? His parents were not married!
Naming Ceremonies are far nicer ;)
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 12:51am Sun 18 Mar 07
Wykewitch has other talents that are far more important than mere internet etiquette. All this is, is a means of communication afterall. And a rather average one at that.
Wykewitch has other talents that are far more important than mere internet etiquette. All this is, is a means of communication afterall. And a rather average one at that.
Posted by: The Dolmen on 2:39am Sun 18 Mar 07
Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.
Quote Bill
Now we all know who you are Bill,
You came on to the Dolmen Forum full of crap and you are doing the same here.
Why dont you give it a rest.You are boring and unimportant.
If you were anything other than a wind up you would have something constructive to say.
You were welcomed on to the Dolmen forum and treated with respect yet here you are a gain, why dont you put your web link in now so every one can see what it is you are into.
The Rev. Jasper Sparrowhawk
Church of the Sacred Moon
Yakima, WA (USA)
Thanks for your suport, as you can see there are some silly people who will do nothing in their lives but throw stones at peoples backs, and some people who by their stance and courage will contribute to bringing about a positive change in the way people are accepted for their beliefs.
Mr 'Melkin' Walsh, Arch Druid. Your credentials please Sir. I hear you are a charlatan Sir.
Quote Bill
Now we all know who you are Bill,
You came on to the Dolmen Forum full of crap and you are doing the same here.
Why dont you give it a rest.You are boring and unimportant.
If you were anything other than a wind up you would have something constructive to say.
You were welcomed on to the Dolmen forum and treated with respect yet here you are a gain, why dont you put your web link in now so every one can see what it is you are into.
The Rev. Jasper Sparrowhawk
Church of the Sacred Moon
Yakima, WA (USA)
Thanks for your suport, as you can see there are some silly people who will do nothing in their lives but throw stones at peoples backs, and some people who by their stance and courage will contribute to bringing about a positive change in the way people are accepted for their beliefs.
Posted by: Amy Justice, Newark on 4:52am Sun 18 Mar 07
Why was "Peaceful religion" in quotes?
http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=white&id=1938
Why was "Peaceful religion" in quotes?
http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=white&id=1938
Posted by: ian on 5:35am Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Moonlight[/bold] wrote:
Ian, your mention of those banging on from the \'Christian\' perspective reminded me of something that happened right here in Weymouth a few years ago. It changed my view of the established church forever.
In keeping with family tradition, I wanted my baby son christened. The church refused to christen him, not because they couldn\'t fit it in, nor for any parish boundary reasons. I was told that no church in Weymouth would christen him, they all being part of the same team.
My son\'s crime against the church? His parents were not married!
Naming Ceremonies are far nicer ;)[/quote] Moonlight, I am grateful for your vanitation. You sound like a nice person with a lot on her mind? Go-to www.koenigma.com, drop me an e-Mail. I have all the time in the world….ask Midnighter?
Moonlight wrote:
Ian, your mention of those banging on from the \'Christian\' perspective reminded me of something that happened right here in Weymouth a few years ago. It changed my view of the established church forever.
In keeping with family tradition, I wanted my baby son christened. The church refused to christen him, not because they couldn\'t fit it in, nor for any parish boundary reasons. I was told that no church in Weymouth would christen him, they all being part of the same team.
My son\'s crime against the church? His parents were not married!
Naming Ceremonies are far nicer ;)
Moonlight, I am grateful for your vanitation. You sound like a nice person with a lot on her mind? Go-to www.koenigma.com, drop me an e-Mail. I have all the time in the world….ask Midnighter?
Posted by: wykewitch, Weymouth on 7:21am Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]vulpine[/bold] wrote:
All these quotes within quotes within quotes are doinmeedin. But the points made are good. Tomorrow (Sunday) people will be putting on robes and gathering to honour their spiritual commitment. They will be treated with respect by their communities and this is how it should be for all.[/quote] I hope you enjoy your day of veneration :) I'm off to get time and a half at work ;)
vulpine wrote:
All these quotes within quotes within quotes are doinmeedin. But the points made are good. Tomorrow (Sunday) people will be putting on robes and gathering to honour their spiritual commitment. They will be treated with respect by their communities and this is how it should be for all.
I hope you enjoy your day of veneration :) I'm off to get time and a half at work ;)
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 9:17am Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Amy Justice[/bold] wrote:
Why was \"Peaceful religion\" in quotes? http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=white&id=1938[/quote] Probably because it is such a rare phenomenon to find a vibrant, functioning religion that actually is peaceful.
Amy Justice wrote:
Why was \"Peaceful religion\" in quotes? http://www.witchvox.com/va/dt_va.html?a=usfl&c=white&id=1938
Probably because it is such a rare phenomenon to find a vibrant, functioning religion that actually is peaceful.
Posted by: Christian Mission, England on 10:59am Sun 18 Mar 07
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.
Posted by: Common Sense Man, Dorset on 11:42am Sun 18 Mar 07
I would not agree with nails in tyres or killing a bird just incase anyone might think otherwise.
misguided souls who need cleansing come and find Jesus there are church's open today come in and save your self's.
I would not agree with nails in tyres or killing a bird just incase anyone might think otherwise.
misguided souls who need cleansing come and find Jesus there are church's open today come in and save your self's.
Posted by: Common Sense Man, Dorset on 11:42am Sun 18 Mar 07
I would not agree with nails in tyres or killing a bird just incase anyone might think otherwise.
misguided souls who need cleansing come and find Jesus there are church's open today come in and save your self's.
I would not agree with nails in tyres or killing a bird just incase anyone might think otherwise.
misguided souls who need cleansing come and find Jesus there are church's open today come in and save your self's.
Posted by: Moonlight, Weymouth on 11:43am Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Christian Mission[/bold] wrote:
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.[/quote] The Devil lurks within your soul if you feel the need to say such things and therein lies the danger.
Christian Mission wrote:
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.
The Devil lurks within your soul if you feel the need to say such things and therein lies the danger.
Posted by: Christian Mission, England on 11:56am Sun 18 Mar 07
There is only danger from those doing the Devil's work you don't realise what is going on here.
There is only danger from those doing the Devil's work you don't realise what is going on here.
Posted by: ian on 12:12pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Christian Mission[/bold] wrote:
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.[/quote] Don't feed the TROLL !
Christian Mission wrote:
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.
Don't feed the TROLL !
Posted by: Moonlight, Weymouth on 12:14pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Christian Mission[/bold] wrote:
There is only danger from those doing the Devil's work you don't realise what is going on here.[/quote] I realise only too well that the peace-loving people are being persecuted by those who profess to be Christians and yet are the real ones doing the 'Devil's work'.
Christian Mission wrote:
There is only danger from those doing the Devil's work you don't realise what is going on here.
I realise only too well that the peace-loving people are being persecuted by those who profess to be Christians and yet are the real ones doing the 'Devil's work'.
Posted by: Matthew Hopkins Society on 12:34pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Christian Mission[/bold] wrote:
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.[/quote] "The Truth always herts".
Is this what you told yourself during this mornings flagellation ?
If ever you need anyone to help expunge any wicked thoughts you've been having I'm always available . :-D
Christian Mission wrote:
The Devil lurks in Dorset.
Who has ever met an honest antiques dealer?
The Devil is doing his work dont let him enter your life through costume, title or horns beware of him he is dangerous.
The Truth always herts.
our work needs to move to Dorset.
"The Truth always herts".
Is this what you told yourself during this mornings flagellation ?
If ever you need anyone to help expunge any wicked thoughts you've been having I'm always available . :-D
Posted by: ian on 12:35pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Just look at Bush and Blair? they are supposed to be an upstanding Christian...answers all questions really.
Just look at Bush and Blair? they are supposed to be an upstanding Christian...answers all questions really.
Posted by: The Dolmen on 12:59pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Funny enough I remember a similar article published in a local mag some years ago that warned people of the devil roaming the purbeck hills in the guise of a folk musician.(This was aimed at The Dolmen amazingly we were black listed due to our belief)
Your terminology reminds me greatly of that article, is it you again?
surely you are not still playing Witchfinder General.
Christian Mission England
we understand that people love agood debate, but this all has a few serious points that does deserve discussion on a basis where perhaps bridges can be built.
Funny enough I remember a similar article published in a local mag some years ago that warned people of the devil roaming the purbeck hills in the guise of a folk musician.(This was aimed at The Dolmen amazingly we were black listed due to our belief)
Your terminology reminds me greatly of that article, is it you again?
surely you are not still playing Witchfinder General.
Christian Mission England
we understand that people love agood debate, but this all has a few serious points that does deserve discussion on a basis where perhaps bridges can be built.
Posted by: ian on 1:03pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Dolmen...I know all about being black listed;-)
Some here might get that one ?
Dolmen...I know all about being black listed;-)
Some here might get that one ?
Posted by: pangurban, weymouth on 1:26pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Christian Mission[/bold] wrote:
There is only danger from those doing the Devil's work you don't realise what is going on here.[/quote] I was going to stay away from this as I thought there was enough to fight the good fight.
Nah cant do it.
christian mission I was once like you and thought all that beleived things that did not fit my faith were doing the devils work, but where in the bible is intolerance shown as acceptable.I now no longer follow the faith I was brought up in and I am now a member of the Dolmen Grove. I can assure you we do not do the devils work in facct we do not beleive he exists. Instead of thinking you know what we do try asking and you may be enlightened.
Christian Mission wrote:
There is only danger from those doing the Devil's work you don't realise what is going on here.
I was going to stay away from this as I thought there was enough to fight the good fight.
Nah cant do it.
christian mission I was once like you and thought all that beleived things that did not fit my faith were doing the devils work, but where in the bible is intolerance shown as acceptable.I now no longer follow the faith I was brought up in and I am now a member of the Dolmen Grove. I can assure you we do not do the devils work in facct we do not beleive he exists. Instead of thinking you know what we do try asking and you may be enlightened.
Posted by: Tim, Raleigh, NC USA on 1:29pm Sun 18 Mar 07
And then you hear mainstream religions making claims like this. Really makes one wonder if they have forgotten, in the centuries since they were honestly persecuted for their beliefs, what true discrimination really is.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=442927&in_page_id=1770
And then you hear mainstream religions making claims like this. Really makes one wonder if they have forgotten, in the centuries since they were honestly persecuted for their beliefs, what true discrimination really is.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=442927&in_page_id=1770
Posted by: Christian Mission, England on 2:03pm Sun 18 Mar 07
You lost your way brother pangurban i can help you find it again.
The devil is in Dorset over the purbecks infesting the area of Swanage and then showing its ugly 'bold' head in Weymouth. The Devil has long been around this area in the form of a musician and i shall seek to expose him as such so [bold]BEWARE[/bold] these people for they cause caos everywhere.
The Devil exists dont listen to them as they do his work.
You lost your way brother pangurban i can help you find it again.
The devil is in Dorset over the purbecks infesting the area of Swanage and then showing its ugly 'bold' head in Weymouth. The Devil has long been around this area in the form of a musician and i shall seek to expose him as such so
BEWARE these people for they cause caos everywhere.
The Devil exists dont listen to them as they do his work.
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 2:15pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Christian Mission[/bold] wrote:
You lost your way brother pangurban i can help you find it again. The devil is in Dorset over the purbecks infesting the area of Swanage and then showing its ugly 'bold' head in Weymouth. The Devil has long been around this area in the form of a musician and i shall seek to expose him as such so [bold]BEWARE[/bold] these people for they cause caos everywhere. The Devil exists dont listen to them as they do his work. [/quote] How did you ever get so afraid ?
How did you ever get such a twisted view of the superstitions invented by your own church.
And how can you be so hypocritical as to then burden us with those superstitions, people you have never met ?
Come and talk to us and we will heal you ......... with the truth.
Christian Mission wrote:
You lost your way brother pangurban i can help you find it again. The devil is in Dorset over the purbecks infesting the area of Swanage and then showing its ugly 'bold' head in Weymouth. The Devil has long been around this area in the form of a musician and i shall seek to expose him as such so BEWARE these people for they cause caos everywhere. The Devil exists dont listen to them as they do his work.
How did you ever get so afraid ?
How did you ever get such a twisted view of the superstitions invented by your own church.
And how can you be so hypocritical as to then burden us with those superstitions, people you have never met ?
Come and talk to us and we will heal you ......... with the truth.
Posted by: Matthew Hopkins Society on 2:16pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Listen Mr Missionary Man these are my Witches, I was here first now blow away and get yer own. Or else...
Listen Mr Missionary Man these are my Witches, I was here first now blow away and get yer own. Or else...
Posted by: ian on 2:28pm Sun 18 Mar 07
"Run away", "Run away"
(Monty Python)
"Run away", "Run away"
(Monty Python)
Posted by: Matthew Hopkins Society on 2:53pm Sun 18 Mar 07
400 years! and when I find a rich vein of evil and iniquity what happens? Some do gooding missionary come flouncing in proffering warnings and salvation to repentant sinners. A good burnings what’s needed and there’s no two ways about it.
400 years! and when I find a rich vein of evil and iniquity what happens? Some do gooding missionary come flouncing in proffering warnings and salvation to repentant sinners. A good burnings what’s needed and there’s no two ways about it.
Posted by: Matthew Hopkins Society on 3:25pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Matthew Hopkins Society[/bold] wrote:
400 years! and when I find a rich vein of evil and iniquity what happens? Some do gooding missionary come flouncing in proffering warnings and salvation to repentant sinners. A good burnings what’s needed and there’s no two ways about it.
[/quote] Just in case that misfired, it wasn't intended with any real malice what so ever.
Matthew Hopkins Society wrote:
400 years! and when I find a rich vein of evil and iniquity what happens? Some do gooding missionary come flouncing in proffering warnings and salvation to repentant sinners. A good burnings what’s needed and there’s no two ways about it.
Just in case that misfired, it wasn't intended with any real malice what so ever.
Posted by: Moonlight, Weymouth on 3:52pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Well 'Christian Mission' it seems you've totally missed your path to enlightment. Wandering around in the dark and bashing your head against brick walls often leads to such confusion and disorientation.
Believe what you will, but please allow others their own beliefs without persecution, or don't call yourself a Christian.
Well 'Christian Mission' it seems you've totally missed your path to enlightment. Wandering around in the dark and bashing your head against brick walls often leads to such confusion and disorientation.
Believe what you will, but please allow others their own beliefs without persecution, or don't call yourself a Christian.
Posted by: Christian Mission, England on 4:24pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Matthew Hopkins soc you sure underestimate your prey as you will find out in due course if you pursue them.
I warn of the devil because i and others like me know of the dangers, i realise many of you have no idea of what i speak but if you did you would understand my actions.
The musical beast stirs once more, it is true we have clashed before many years ago and it saddens me that i need to return again.
I will say it is not my way to kill a bird or put nails in tyres i deal straight with the devil but i can see that some might vent there anger in this way but i cannot agree with it.
Pangurban i can help you can return your leaders grip on you can be broken
Matthew Hopkins soc you sure underestimate your prey as you will find out in due course if you pursue them.
I warn of the devil because i and others like me know of the dangers, i realise many of you have no idea of what i speak but if you did you would understand my actions.
The musical beast stirs once more, it is true we have clashed before many years ago and it saddens me that i need to return again.
I will say it is not my way to kill a bird or put nails in tyres i deal straight with the devil but i can see that some might vent there anger in this way but i cannot agree with it.
Pangurban i can help you can return your leaders grip on you can be broken
Posted by: Lorraine, DORCHESTER on 4:31pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[bold]bold[/bold] I ATTENTED THE MAUMBERRY RINGS DECEMBER FOR THE WINTER SOLCTICE. THERE WERE IDIOTS ON THE SIDE LINE SHOUTING. THEY WERE ASKED TO JOIN IN BUT NONE DID. DONT KNOCK WHAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND. PAGANS ARE NOT DEVIL WORSHIPERS OR NOR DO WE SACRIFICE ANIMALS. IN FACT MOST OF US ARE VEGITARIANS, SO MR AND MRS SO CALLED NORMAL GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU CONDEM.
I ATTENTED THE MAUMBERRY RINGS DECEMBER FOR THE WINTER SOLCTICE. THERE WERE IDIOTS ON THE SIDE LINE SHOUTING. THEY WERE ASKED TO JOIN IN BUT NONE DID. DONT KNOCK WHAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND. PAGANS ARE NOT DEVIL WORSHIPERS OR NOR DO WE SACRIFICE ANIMALS. IN FACT MOST OF US ARE VEGITARIANS, SO MR AND MRS SO CALLED NORMAL GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE YOU CONDEM.
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 4:39pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Moonlight[/bold] wrote:
Well 'Christian Mission' it seems you've totally missed your path to enlightment. Wandering around in the dark and bashing your head against brick walls often leads to such confusion and disorientation. Believe what you will, but please allow others their own beliefs without persecution, or don't call yourself a Christian.[/quote] Let's get a few things straight here shall we.
Firstly, The Devil, Lucifer or what ever name you know him by, is purely an invention of the CHRISTIAN CHURCH. It is not recognised in Paganism.
Secondly, music is not inherrantly evil. The music played by THE DOLMEN is definitely not evil. You sound like one of those 1950s religious nutters warning about the evils of Elvis. Ergo, you sound deranged.
Thirdly and very importantly, there are NO LEADERS in The Dolmen Grove.
This crusade against the devil is an invention of your own diseased mind.
I hope that one day you seek and find a cure for your malady.
Moonlight wrote:
Well 'Christian Mission' it seems you've totally missed your path to enlightment. Wandering around in the dark and bashing your head against brick walls often leads to such confusion and disorientation. Believe what you will, but please allow others their own beliefs without persecution, or don't call yourself a Christian.
Let's get a few things straight here shall we.
Firstly, The Devil, Lucifer or what ever name you know him by, is purely an invention of the CHRISTIAN CHURCH. It is not recognised in Paganism.
Secondly, music is not inherrantly evil. The music played by THE DOLMEN is definitely not evil. You sound like one of those 1950s religious nutters warning about the evils of Elvis. Ergo, you sound deranged.
Thirdly and very importantly, there are NO LEADERS in The Dolmen Grove.
This crusade against the devil is an invention of your own diseased mind.
I hope that one day you seek and find a cure for your malady.
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 4:40pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Moonlight[/bold] wrote:
Well 'Christian Mission' it seems you've totally missed your path to enlightment. Wandering around in the dark and bashing your head against brick walls often leads to such confusion and disorientation. Believe what you will, but please allow others their own beliefs without persecution, or don't call yourself a Christian.[/quote] Let's get a few things straight here shall we.
Firstly, The Devil, Lucifer or what ever name you know him by, is purely an invention of the CHRISTIAN CHURCH. It is not recognised in Paganism.
Secondly, music is not inherrantly evil. The music played by THE DOLMEN is definitely not evil. You sound like one of those 1950s religious nutters warning about the evils of Elvis. Ergo, you sound deranged.
Thirdly and very importantly, there are NO LEADERS in The Dolmen Grove.
This crusade against the devil is an invention of your own diseased mind.
I hope that one day you seek and find a cure for your malady.
Moonlight wrote:
Well 'Christian Mission' it seems you've totally missed your path to enlightment. Wandering around in the dark and bashing your head against brick walls often leads to such confusion and disorientation. Believe what you will, but please allow others their own beliefs without persecution, or don't call yourself a Christian.
Let's get a few things straight here shall we.
Firstly, The Devil, Lucifer or what ever name you know him by, is purely an invention of the CHRISTIAN CHURCH. It is not recognised in Paganism.
Secondly, music is not inherrantly evil. The music played by THE DOLMEN is definitely not evil. You sound like one of those 1950s religious nutters warning about the evils of Elvis. Ergo, you sound deranged.
Thirdly and very importantly, there are NO LEADERS in The Dolmen Grove.
This crusade against the devil is an invention of your own diseased mind.
I hope that one day you seek and find a cure for your malady.
Posted by: Matthew Hopkins Society on 4:56pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote]Matthew Hopkins soc you sure underestimate your prey as you will find out in due course if you pursue them.
I warn of the devil because i and others like me know of the dangers, i realise many of you have no idea of what i speak but if you did you would understand my actions.
[/quote]
Since you are so in earnest Christian Mission permit me to correct you. My intention is in no way to 'pursue' these people. My most recent quip was intended (although it may have misfired) to satirise the very notion.
You allude to dangers why don't you speak openly of them?
Matthew Hopkins soc you sure underestimate your prey as you will find out in due course if you pursue them.
I warn of the devil because i and others like me know of the dangers, i realise many of you have no idea of what i speak but if you did you would understand my actions.
Since you are so in earnest Christian Mission permit me to correct you. My intention is in no way to 'pursue' these people. My most recent quip was intended (although it may have misfired) to satirise the very notion.
You allude to dangers why don't you speak openly of them?
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 5:11pm Sun 18 Mar 07
MHS :
Whilst we obviously recognise the humour in your posts and, believe it or not, enjoy it to a degree, it has to be asked, would you be prepared to go on to a muslim board and make jokes about innocent dead Iraqi civilians or a Christian board and make jokes about their executed martyrs ?
The poor deluded fool that is Christian Mission doesn't even realise that he is actually breaking the law of this land in his actions here on this forum by persecuting pagans and, as far as dubbing the lead singer of The Dolmen as The Devil goes, well in that case, I for one hereby decree that I give full alleigence to that [italic]devil[/italic] , as a friend whom I would trust with my life, even in the relatively short time I have known him.
In fact Christian Mission, I would be prepared to meet with you so that you could try to turn me away from him on a one to one basis.
How far does your faith take you ?
MHS :
Whilst we obviously recognise the humour in your posts and, believe it or not, enjoy it to a degree, it has to be asked, would you be prepared to go on to a muslim board and make jokes about innocent dead Iraqi civilians or a Christian board and make jokes about their executed martyrs ?
The poor deluded fool that is Christian Mission doesn't even realise that he is actually breaking the law of this land in his actions here on this forum by persecuting pagans and, as far as dubbing the lead singer of The Dolmen as The Devil goes, well in that case, I for one hereby decree that I give full alleigence to that
devil , as a friend whom I would trust with my life, even in the relatively short time I have known him.
In fact Christian Mission, I would be prepared to meet with you so that you could try to turn me away from him on a one to one basis.
How far does your faith take you ?
Posted by: Liz, Dorset on 5:16pm Sun 18 Mar 07
As a well balanced Christian myself, I'd like to thank Pagans for their tolerance and understanding in allowing Christianity to be accepted in England. The abuse that you are receiving is unacceptable by anyone's standards. Phew, at least no one could behave like that in the name of Christianity, eh?! All the best x
As a well balanced Christian myself, I'd like to thank Pagans for their tolerance and understanding in allowing Christianity to be accepted in England. The abuse that you are receiving is unacceptable by anyone's standards. Phew, at least no one could behave like that in the name of Christianity, eh?! All the best x
Posted by: Christian Mission, England on 5:33pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Often misunderstood by my fellow christians i am not a religious nutter believe me many people know of our work we believe in our faith, we do not just bring it out out on sundays or on social occasion it is real, it is active.
I warn of something most of you are to scared to confront i am used to this type of reaction.
The Pagan masters here in Dorset have been unoticed for to long they have built there nests well, but now they are found out.
Often misunderstood by my fellow christians i am not a religious nutter believe me many people know of our work we believe in our faith, we do not just bring it out out on sundays or on social occasion it is real, it is active.
I warn of something most of you are to scared to confront i am used to this type of reaction.
The Pagan masters here in Dorset have been unoticed for to long they have built there nests well, but now they are found out.
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 5:44pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I say again Christian Mission, agree to meet with me to talk this over. You can bring as much 'back up' as you wish, I shall be alone.
Let's discuss this man to man.
Yes ??
I say again Christian Mission, agree to meet with me to talk this over. You can bring as much 'back up' as you wish, I shall be alone.
Let's discuss this man to man.
Yes ??
Posted by: Moonlight on 5:45pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Christian Mission[/bold] wrote:
Often misunderstood by my fellow christians i am not a religious nutter believe me many people know of our work we believe in our faith, we do not just bring it out out on sundays or on social occasion it is real, it is active.
I warn of something most of you are to scared to confront i am used to this type of reaction.
The Pagan masters here in Dorset have been unoticed for to long they have built there nests well, but now they are found out.
[/quote] Found out in what way? Why don't you just say and be done with? This is clearly preying on your mind and perhaps the release of it may help you.
Christian Mission wrote:
Often misunderstood by my fellow christians i am not a religious nutter believe me many people know of our work we believe in our faith, we do not just bring it out out on sundays or on social occasion it is real, it is active.
I warn of something most of you are to scared to confront i am used to this type of reaction.
The Pagan masters here in Dorset have been unoticed for to long they have built there nests well, but now they are found out.
Found out in what way? Why don't you just say and be done with? This is clearly preying on your mind and perhaps the release of it may help you.
Posted by: Matthew Hopkins Society on 5:55pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote]Whilst we obviously recognise the humour in your posts and, believe it or not, enjoy it to a degree, it has to be asked, would you be prepared to go on to a muslim board and make jokes about innocent dead Iraqi civilians or a Christian board and make jokes about their executed martyrs ?[/quote]
Midnighter, Glad you’ve enjoyed some of my remarks, although its obvious that you’re not entirely comfortable with it. This is an open non-denominational comments board where I have in fact largely joked about the reception you receive rather than having made jokes about you. Visiting a denominational notice , board be it Pagan, Christian etc to direct jokes at the membership is not something I'd countenance.
Whilst we obviously recognise the humour in your posts and, believe it or not, enjoy it to a degree, it has to be asked, would you be prepared to go on to a muslim board and make jokes about innocent dead Iraqi civilians or a Christian board and make jokes about their executed martyrs ?
Midnighter, Glad you’ve enjoyed some of my remarks, although its obvious that you’re not entirely comfortable with it. This is an open non-denominational comments board where I have in fact largely joked about the reception you receive rather than having made jokes about you. Visiting a denominational notice , board be it Pagan, Christian etc to direct jokes at the membership is not something I'd countenance.
Posted by: Morgaine, some weird place on 7:08pm Sun 18 Mar 07
As people have already said on here , We dont even believe in a devil, I am a member of the Dolmen Grove and i stand by my friends on there, who are all intelligent, talented, careing people ,
It would be good if you christian fanatics would behave in the same way! and get your facts straight before trying to cause trouble, if you only realised how ridiculous you sound to ordinary intelligent people out there ,
As people have already said on here , We dont even believe in a devil, I am a member of the Dolmen Grove and i stand by my friends on there, who are all intelligent, talented, careing people ,
It would be good if you christian fanatics would behave in the same way! and get your facts straight before trying to cause trouble, if you only realised how ridiculous you sound to ordinary intelligent people out there ,
Posted by: Dove, Weymouth on 8:07pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Although I was upset about the message board, I think that it was because of the dead bird incident. Comments on here are interesting, sometimes witty, and although we don't always agree, aren't we lucky to be allowed to speak freely, without fear of being thrown into jail. Discussion like this also defuses tensions. I might not agree with some people, but respect their rights to hold their opinions, and respect them.
The people who go around hanging birds from vans aren't the sorts that would take the time to post their thoughts on here, as I think they're thoughtless.
Although I was upset about the message board, I think that it was because of the dead bird incident. Comments on here are interesting, sometimes witty, and although we don't always agree, aren't we lucky to be allowed to speak freely, without fear of being thrown into jail. Discussion like this also defuses tensions. I might not agree with some people, but respect their rights to hold their opinions, and respect them.
The people who go around hanging birds from vans aren't the sorts that would take the time to post their thoughts on here, as I think they're thoughtless.
Posted by: PW on 8:40pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Seems it’s all gone a bit quiet on here. Your 15 minutes of fame are nearly up. Looks like you need to set up another straw man like ‘Christian Mission’ if you’re going to sustain this publicity stunt. How about ‘Ordinary Bloke’ ?
Oops now I’ve let the cat out of the bag. The Echo Editor is going to be kicking himself for letting this one through.
Seems it’s all gone a bit quiet on here. Your 15 minutes of fame are nearly up. Looks like you need to set up another straw man like ‘Christian Mission’ if you’re going to sustain this publicity stunt. How about ‘Ordinary Bloke’ ?
Oops now I’ve let the cat out of the bag. The Echo Editor is going to be kicking himself for letting this one through.
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 8:43pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Yep .... Warhol would be proud of us.
Yep .... Warhol would be proud of us.
Posted by: wykewitch, Weymouth on 8:47pm Sun 18 Mar 07
I quite liked Matthew Hopkins Societies comments. I think he has a twisted sence of humour which I can appreciate!
Christian mission is extreme. I find it funny that when other Christians tell him he goes too far he makes a put down about himself worships more than just on Sundays! :D SO Christians who do not wish to label other religions as devil worshipers as Christian Mission does are just not Christian enough! :D LOL He is funny isn’t he?
I quite liked Matthew Hopkins Societies comments. I think he has a twisted sence of humour which I can appreciate!
Christian mission is extreme. I find it funny that when other Christians tell him he goes too far he makes a put down about himself worships more than just on Sundays! :D SO Christians who do not wish to label other religions as devil worshipers as Christian Mission does are just not Christian enough! :D LOL He is funny isn’t he?
Posted by: Common Sense Man, Dorset on 9:16pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Back to the article
killing a bird no
nails in wheels no
but tell you are totally misguided and like something out of a pantomine yes
If you dont like it well it's a tuff life
learn to take a few knocks and dont take your selves so seriouasly.
Back to the article
killing a bird no
nails in wheels no
but tell you are totally misguided and like something out of a pantomine yes
If you dont like it well it's a tuff life
learn to take a few knocks and dont take your selves so seriouasly.
Posted by: Dove, Weymouth on 9:18pm Sun 18 Mar 07
PW
The Dolmen Grove are who they say they are and are NOT as you suggest 'Christian Mission' or 'Ordinary bloke' looking for publicity. I know them and can assure you that they are genuine and normal people, without stooping to pretending to be anyone else. (Forgive me if I'm wrong in what you're suggesting) They're just genuine and ready to answer anything that you ask them in person.
PW
The Dolmen Grove are who they say they are and are NOT as you suggest 'Christian Mission' or 'Ordinary bloke' looking for publicity. I know them and can assure you that they are genuine and normal people, without stooping to pretending to be anyone else. (Forgive me if I'm wrong in what you're suggesting) They're just genuine and ready to answer anything that you ask them in person.
Posted by: mark, the Net on 9:19pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote]Comments on here are interesting, sometimes witty, and although we don't always agree, aren't we lucky to be allowed to speak freely, without fear of being thrown into jail.[/quote]
Dove, I salute you - you seem to be one of the few people that have commented here that realise that we have freedom of speech in this country and whether we agree with what has been said we MUST have that right to be able to say what we feel.
I am neither for or against any religion but I do feel that those 'Pagans' that have commented here are not able to see things from any point of view other than their own. (but that also goes for 'Christian Mission' who seems to be the least christian of all people that have commented here).
And I have to say that Midnighter - you are one of the most pompous and naïve people I have ever come across. it is time you got of your high horse and respect other people as well!
Comments on here are interesting, sometimes witty, and although we don't always agree, aren't we lucky to be allowed to speak freely, without fear of being thrown into jail.
Dove, I salute you - you seem to be one of the few people that have commented here that realise that we have freedom of speech in this country and whether we agree with what has been said we MUST have that right to be able to say what we feel.
I am neither for or against any religion but I do feel that those 'Pagans' that have commented here are not able to see things from any point of view other than their own. (but that also goes for 'Christian Mission' who seems to be the least christian of all people that have commented here).
And I have to say that Midnighter - you are one of the most pompous and naïve people I have ever come across. it is time you got of your high horse and respect other people as well!
Posted by: Moonlight, Weymouth on 9:22pm Sun 18 Mar 07
'Christian Mission' must have run out of Viagra - he doesn't seem to have been able to keep it up!
Common Sense Man - life is a stage and each must play their part, so which part is yours in what you term a 'pantomime'?
:)
'Christian Mission' must have run out of Viagra - he doesn't seem to have been able to keep it up!
Common Sense Man - life is a stage and each must play their part, so which part is yours in what you term a 'pantomime'?
:)
Posted by: Moonlight, Weymouth on 9:26pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Mark, the net, Midnighter is not like that. Perhaps a good look in the mirror might serve you well and maybe you will find what you're looking for there :)
Mark, the net, Midnighter is not like that. Perhaps a good look in the mirror might serve you well and maybe you will find what you're looking for there :)
Posted by: Mark, the Neth on 9:32pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote]Midnighter is not like that. Perhaps a good look in the mirror might serve you well and maybe you will find what you're looking for there[/quote]
see that is exactly what I mean about how pompous you are!
Midnighter is not like that. Perhaps a good look in the mirror might serve you well and maybe you will find what you're looking for there
see that is exactly what I mean about how pompous you are!
Posted by: Dove, Weymouth on 9:35pm Sun 18 Mar 07
Many thanks Mark for your kind comments. It is hard to give people the freedom that our families fought for them to have.I respect ALL who have posted to this board, even if I haven't agreed with them. I will say with experience that Midnighter, I have met in person. When we post on the net, we don't see the expression on the person's face. I've said some pretty mad things to Midnighter, who doesn't know me well and he's taken it as fun and been great fun back. I really do want the christian Mission to take up his bid to meet him, as he really isn't a hostile person. I really think that you'd find him a person of conviction, but also he's intelligent enough to have a really good sense of humour, from what I know of the Dolmen and The dreaded beast from **** (as he's been called)and even The Arch Druid, are in the very short time that I've known them, the kindest people that you could hope to meet, they'd give you the shirt on their back to help you.
Sorry to preach, I really do still respect and enjoy everyone one here.
I like Mark most though, as he's been the nicest, so there!
Many thanks Mark for your kind comments. It is hard to give people the freedom that our families fought for them to have.I respect ALL who have posted to this board, even if I haven't agreed with them. I will say with experience that Midnighter, I have met in person. When we post on the net, we don't see the expression on the person's face. I've said some pretty mad things to Midnighter, who doesn't know me well and he's taken it as fun and been great fun back. I really do want the christian Mission to take up his bid to meet him, as he really isn't a hostile person. I really think that you'd find him a person of conviction, but also he's intelligent enough to have a really good sense of humour, from what I know of the Dolmen and The dreaded beast from **** (as he's been called)and even The Arch Druid, are in the very short time that I've known them, the kindest people that you could hope to meet, they'd give you the shirt on their back to help you.
Sorry to preach, I really do still respect and enjoy everyone one here.
I like Mark most though, as he's been the nicest, so there!
Posted by: Gypsy, weymotuh on 9:45pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote]the devil roaming the purbeck hills in the guise of a folk musician[/quote]
No offence meant with this but why would the devil be masquerading as a folk musician in Dorset? I love Dorset and folk musicians they are great but not really that central to humanity....
the devil roaming the purbeck hills in the guise of a folk musician
No offence meant with this but why would the devil be masquerading as a folk musician in Dorset? I love Dorset and folk musicians they are great but not really that central to humanity....
Posted by: Midnighter, Weymouth on 9:57pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]mark[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Comments on here are interesting, sometimes witty, and although we don't always agree, aren't we lucky to be allowed to speak freely, without fear of being thrown into jail.[/quote] Dove, I salute you - you seem to be one of the few people that have commented here that realise that we have freedom of speech in this country and whether we agree with what has been said we MUST have that right to be able to say what we feel. I am neither for or against any religion but I do feel that those 'Pagans' that have commented here are not able to see things from any point of view other than their own. (but that also goes for 'Christian Mission' who seems to be the least christian of all people that have commented here). And I have to say that Midnighter - you are one of the most pompous and naïve people I have ever come across. it is time you got of your high horse and respect other people as well! [/quote] Mark. As you say, you have the 'freedom' to say whatever you like online and your summing up of me should certainly be no exception.
Just as long as you don't expect me to lose too much sleep over it.
Have a nice day at the council offices tomorrow won't you, but try not to spend too much time bickering with folk on here when you should be working, there's a good boy. ;-)
mark wrote:
Comments on here are interesting, sometimes witty, and although we don't always agree, aren't we lucky to be allowed to speak freely, without fear of being thrown into jail.
Dove, I salute you - you seem to be one of the few people that have commented here that realise that we have freedom of speech in this country and whether we agree with what has been said we MUST have that right to be able to say what we feel. I am neither for or against any religion but I do feel that those 'Pagans' that have commented here are not able to see things from any point of view other than their own. (but that also goes for 'Christian Mission' who seems to be the least christian of all people that have commented here). And I have to say that Midnighter - you are one of the most pompous and naïve people I have ever come across. it is time you got of your high horse and respect other people as well!
Mark. As you say, you have the 'freedom' to say whatever you like online and your summing up of me should certainly be no exception.
Just as long as you don't expect me to lose too much sleep over it.
Have a nice day at the council offices tomorrow won't you, but try not to spend too much time bickering with folk on here when you should be working, there's a good boy. ;-)
Posted by: Moonlight, Weymouth on 10:14pm Sun 18 Mar 07
[quote][bold]Mark[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Midnighter is not like that. Perhaps a good look in the mirror might serve you well and maybe you will find what you\'re looking for there[/quote]
see that is exactly what I mean about how pompous you are!
[/quote] Now where did you say that [bold]I[/bold] was pompous? I must have missed it.
Like I said, Midnighter is not like that and I can say that because I've known him for quite some time. How about you? :)
Mark wrote:
Midnighter is not like that. Perhaps a good look in the mirror might serve you well and maybe you will find what you\'re looking for there
see that is exactly what I mean about how pompous you are!
Now where did you say that
I was pompous? I must have missed it.
Like I said, Midnighter is not like that and I can say that because I've known him for quite some time. How about you? :)
